V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest

[Clifton]

So: "[T]he mechanism for attaching the optional saddlebags by unlocking the pillion seat, sliding the bag’s posts into their slots, and then clicking the seat back down to lock the bag is super slick."  sounds unnecessarily complicated.

Not ideal but I could live with a couple extra steps to mount and unmount bags, what I HATE on my V85 is having to lock the lids in order to remove the key. In all my years I think I've locked bag lids maybe twice.

[blackcat]

Predicted distribution of the volume of sales of the new V100 by age group:

20-30:  30%
30-40:  30%
40-50:  20%
50-60:  19%
+60:      1%

 

Sounds about right. Which age group will lodge the loudest complaints? 

[Huzo]

Not ideal but I could live with a couple extra steps to mount and unmount bags, what I HATE on my V85 is having to lock the lids in order to remove the key. In all my years I think I've locked bag lids maybe twice.

Just remove the little tab that rotates inside that locks the lid.
Then you don’t need the key to open/shut.

[Clifton]

Wouldn't that preclude being able to lock the lids entirely? If so I may still do it but if/when I sell, the next owner may want to be able to lock the lids.

[Tusayan]

Predicted distribution of the volume of sales of the new V100 by age group:

20-30:  30%
30-40:  30%
40-50:  20%
50-60:  19%
+60:      1%

Given the relatively high price, sport touring design and Guzzi branding, I’d judge that Piaggio is aiming for the 50 year old market, plus or minus 10 years.  I’d guess very few people under 40 will buy one.  YMMV.

Same as the V11 Sport, but five years older.

[Cam3512]

Given the relatively high price, sport touring design and Guzzi branding, I’d judge that Piaggio is aiming for the 50 year old market, plus or minus 10 years.  I’d guess very few people under 40 will buy one.  YMMV.

Same as the V11 Sport, but five years older.

How do you figure?  They’re predicting 80% of sales will be to 20-50 year olds.

[lucky phil]

How do you figure?  They’re predicting 80% of sales will be to 20-50 year olds.

I'm predicting 80% of sales will be in the 50-60 year old bracket. 40-50 year old riders I know still dream they have a shot at a MotoGP contract if only a factory could see them ride. They're not interested in some "Sports tourer".

Phil

[vintage53]

Predicted distribution of the volume of sales of the new V100 by age group:

20-30:  30%
30-40:  30%
40-50:  20%
50-60:  19%
+60:      1%

 

Would be interesting to do a side by side with actual mc riders by age

[ToddK]

As I have left MG, for now, to opt for a Ninja 1000SX, this bike is VERY appealing to me! My Kawi has a 1043cc I4 and a curb weight of 514 lbs. Also has the bags with no visible rack. Not sure if I want to check one out or not...

[spmoto]

Woo Hoo! I'm a 1%er. Wish my bank account reflected it.
It's my 73rd B-day today and my name is on the (lemming) list at Seacoast in New Hampshire. I still find sport touring style bikes to be the most ergonomically suited to me.
BTW, I spoke to Jim Smith, Co-owner at Secoast on Friday and he hasn't been given any possible delivery dates nor any final pricing.

Steve M

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

Ok,

Well, my dealer called me yesterday to give me an update on the V100

Keep in mind, I put down a cash deposit last November to reserve my spot as 1st on his list for the Green/Silver Ohlins delux model...  (I subsiquently withdrew the deposit after 6 months of no updates or delivery date- but they must have kept my name on the list of interested parties)

Here's what he told me:

*Guzzi said tentative date of bikes hitting US dealers: DECEMBER 2022
* In September, Guzzi will let dealers place orders/start their list for customers who have made deposits or otherwise 'got on the list'
* In October, Guzzi will open up their website-based 'preorder list' that is direct-to-consumer.. Dealer will assist customers in signing up for that as needed
*Green/Silver with active Ohlins (and assumed bags) will be aprox $17,5xx
*Red/Base model will be around $15k

[blu guzz]

Can 20-30 year olds afford a nearly 20k bike?  Of course, keep in mind the numbers we are talking about.  Will they import 1,000 of these a year to the US?

[elrealistico]

If they're single, maybe, if not  might not approve

[blu guzz]

True.  I got married too early myself.  I should have waited to have had at least a half dozen bikes first.

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

Being married isn't the problem, it's pumping out all these kids! Little buggers hoover up all your resources!

[Tusayan]

Unmarried twenty-somethings with some spare cash and an interest in European bikes buy Ducatis.  Shaft drive Guzzi sport touring bikes with slightly funky styling won’t get their attention. 

[bad Chad]

That sounds like it might be mostly correct.  But I don't think Guzzi is looking to take on Ducat head on, what they may be trying to do is peel off 10-15% of Duc and Triumph buyers.  The factory can only make so many v100s.   If they got orders for 5000 v100s they would be screwed trying to make that many in one year.

[spmoto]

What about the new factory, when is that due to be up and running? Surely that is intended to have increased and more efficient production capacity, yes?

[blu guzz]

I will tell you what I have seen in my area.  Young people are definitely interested in KTM.  It seems when I see a 20 something on a Euro bike, its a KTM.  No, they still think that we are their target market, the younger 55-60 yo, part of us that is.  If I was 55 again, I would already have my money down.  For riding the mountains in the eastern US, that bike looks like the perfect sport tourer.  I can just imagine having unpacked it at Tellico, TN and jumping on the Chereola Skyway.  I have to watch myself or I will one of the guys with money down.

[Bulldog9]

Glad to see headway in the development and release of the V100!

I think this is hopeful, and that is probably one of the best MC Rag review on a Guzzi I have seen in a while. With the growing sales of V7's the last few years and V85, I think Guzzi will see similar, especially given it's placement.

Looking forward to seeing them at the dealers, and a demo ride. Cadre is my closest dealer right now.

[Huzo]

I’d like one in the same colour red as some of the faces on WG…
We’ll come back to here when there’s hundreds of them on the road, should be fun….

[Huzo]

Wouldn't that preclude being able to lock the lids entirely? If so I may still do it but if/when I sell, the next owner may want to be able to lock the lids.

Yes it does mean you can’t lock them.
But.
On my top case, I made a pin that comes out from the inside and protrudes by about 10 mm.
(I will post a shot later).
When away, I keep my electronics stuff that’s highly desirable in there and just use a small combination lock, seriously it takes 5 seconds to deploy…(I only spin the last of the 3 tumblers.)
I leave other valuables like soiled undergarments and wet towels from camping park shower floors, in the unlocked ones.
Confident that no one will steal them….
BTW..
It’s 35.6 seconds to remove the tab and 36.4 seconds to re fit it if you sell the bike…

[Bulldog9]

Yes it does mean you can’t lock them.
But.
On my top case, I made a pin that comes out from the inside and protrudes by about 10 mm.
(I will post a shot later).
When away, I keep my electronics stuff that’s highly desirable in there and just use a small combination lock, seriously it takes 5 seconds to deploy…(I only spin the last of the 3 tumblers.)
I leave other valuables like soiled undergarments and wet towels from camping park shower floors, in the unlocked ones.
Confident that no one will steal them….
BTW..
It’s 35.6 seconds to remove the tab and 36.4 seconds to re fit it if you sell the bike…

Generally, once my bags are on, they stay on unless I need them off for a service, deep clean (annual) or to navigate into a tight spot in the garage. I've been using liner bags/duffels for 20 years.  I haven't looked at the new bags for the V100 closely, but the locking in place with seat looks trick. I do hope they are easy to lock and open. I hated the mechanisms on my Norge and the cable system on the MGX was a RPITA. The H-B bags have spoiled me.

The V100 MAY replace my 1200 Sport, but only when I cross the 100K range, and even then I may keep the 12S if the V100 has an ADV or FULL faired ST model. I think the V100 is in the sweet spot for size, weight and power. Love that it is a SSSA, retains the shaft and of course 90 degree V Twin.

One thing that I noticed, and it may just be the angle, but it seems like this closer to production model has less of the fins on the CYS?

[tngarren]

I've not found a bike yet worth replacing my '17 Multistrada 1200S.  I'm looking for a sport tourer that's a bit lower, SSSA, no chain maintenance, and I go to the garage just to look at it.  The V100 may be the ticket. Sure would love some blind spot monitoring though. 

[Huzo]

Sure would love some blind spot monitoring though.

Pardon..?

[tngarren]

My old neck doesn't swivel like it used to.  I'd appreciate a second opinion before changing lanes on a bike. Ducati, Kawasaki and Triumph have implemented it. Maybe others as well.

[Huzo]

My old neck doesn't swivel like it used to.  I'd appreciate a second opinion before changing lanes on a bike. Ducati, Kawasaki and Triumph have implemented it. Maybe others as well.

Just another thing to bugger up and kill you mate..
Here’s a way out.
Take your bike somewhere safe and practice riding along and swinging your arse off the seat to one side and looking over behind you while holding your line.
You’ll see Moto GP riders and the like, doing it on slow down laps and such to see who is behind them. You don’t have to get all the twist in your body from just your neck.
You’ll find that you can look behind while sitting on the upper part of your leg where it joins your butt.
If you spend long enough here on WG, you’ll develop the skills needed to be able to see directly behind you, so as to avoid approaching knives…

[tngarren]

Yeah, I can't imagine why MotoGP bikes don't have rear mirrors and blind spot detection.  Go figure.

[jrt]

Pardon..?

There are all sorts of reasons that folks cannot turn their heads like a teenager- age, arthritis, joint disintegration...et c.  My dad had ankylosing spondylitis and he could not turn his neck, but he liked to ride. 
I like the idea of electronic monitoring- seems to work on cars just fine.  The trouble is getting drivers to pay attention to it.

[ridingron]

  Yeah, I can't imagine why MotoGP bikes don't have rear mirrors and blind spot detection.  Go figure.     

If they're using titanium nuts and bolts and drilling bolts to lose weight, why would they add the weight? I doubt that the guys riding those bikes  would have a problem looking back. That's if they care. What's that note on the side mirrors? Things in your rear view mirror no longer matter?