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Offline pat80flh

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Re: Waiting for the light to change in neutral
« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2022, 09:44:54 AM »
Me too for the put her in neutral camp. Mostly a habit cause you weren't putting a Shovel in neutral once you're stopped.

 The guys that say they're in gear so they can avoid a car rear ending them are the same ones that say they "laid her down on purpose"
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Re: Waiting for the light to change in neutral
« Reply #31 on: September 28, 2022, 11:16:24 AM »
For me it depends on the length of the red light.  Short ones I sometimes leave it in gear.  Long ones I put it in neutral.  Mainly so I can relax and don't have to hold the clutch the whole time.  I read somewhere that for the wet clutches its no big deal to leave it in gear at lights, but its better to use neutral when you can with the dry ones.
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Re: Waiting for the light to change in neutral
« Reply #32 on: September 28, 2022, 11:22:08 AM »
humm....

Why is it so difficult...  careful lift from first.... blip of green light... clicks into 2nd.... $%^#&# biscuits...  careful push down... blip of green light.... clicks into first... $%^#&# biscuits...
repeat until signal has changed, launch in second...
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Re: Waiting for the light to change in neutral
« Reply #33 on: September 28, 2022, 12:44:42 PM »
humm....

Why is it so difficult...  careful lift from first.... blip of green light... clicks into 2nd.... $%^#&# biscuits...  careful push down... blip of green light.... clicks into first... $%^#&# biscuits...
repeat until signal has changed, launch in second...

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Re: Waiting for the light to change in neutral
« Reply #33 on: September 28, 2022, 12:44:42 PM »

Offline Kaladin

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Re: Waiting for the light to change in neutral
« Reply #34 on: September 28, 2022, 04:34:50 PM »
In the last couple of days I am becoming more adapt at getting it into neutral.

But, how often does the throw-out bearing go bad?

And why doesn't the wet clutch have the same issue?

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Re: Waiting for the light to change in neutral
« Reply #35 on: September 28, 2022, 04:55:01 PM »
I read somewhere that for the wet clutches its no big deal to leave it in gear at lights, but its better to use neutral when you can with the dry ones.

Wet clutch run in a bath of oil, along with the trough out bearing, so non-issue.

Dry clutch suffers from a much longer history....
early cars used oil impregnated bearing material, like bronze of phenolics... these are rubbing surfaces that did wear-out over time (and not a long time),  This type of bearing was used up to the early 60's but some went longer (like Renault Dauphine)  These were later replaced with sealed rolling element designs and they typically outlasted multiple clutches.  This type is still used today in standard transmission cars and trucks (and im guessing a Guzzi)

There are of coarse some exceptions, my '95 3/4 ton Chevy used steel balls in a plastic housing, that was activated by a plastic hydraulic master and a plastic slave cylinder coupled by a plastic line...    ALL CRAP !
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Re: Waiting for the light to change in neutral
« Reply #36 on: September 29, 2022, 03:20:29 AM »
humm....

Why is it so difficult...  careful lift from first.... blip of green light... clicks into 2nd.... $%^#&# biscuits...  careful push down... blip of green light.... clicks into first... $%^#&# biscuits...
repeat until signal has changed, launch in second...

Hilarious and scarily accurate

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Re: Waiting for the light to change in neutral
« Reply #37 on: September 29, 2022, 07:41:29 AM »
Maybe it’s been said before on this thread, but here goes..
I have an ‘07 Norge and it has a 204,000 km clutch that operates perfectly.
It’s the thrust bearing thing, if you hold the lever in, you are using the thrust bearing and it is working. It has a useable life and will not last forever.
If you have enough class to pop the bike into neutral at the light, your thrust bearing is not doing any work and it’ll last as long as mine.
Here’s another thing.
When you pull the clutch in to engage 1st gear, wait a couple of seconds for the clutch to spin down and you bike will go into gear totally silently.
The gear dogs will not be asked to crash together and as before, it’ll still shift like a Suzuki Bandit at 200,000 plus…

It’s just a class thing to do and shows mechanical “taste”.

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Re: Waiting for the light to change in neutral
« Reply #38 on: September 29, 2022, 07:43:57 AM »
humm....

Why is it so difficult...  careful lift from first.... blip of green light... clicks into 2nd.... $%^#&# biscuits...  careful push down... blip of green light.... clicks into first... $%^#&# biscuits...
repeat until signal has changed, launch in second...
Am I the only person that cannot understand the point here ?

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Re: Waiting for the light to change in neutral
« Reply #39 on: September 29, 2022, 08:05:11 AM »
Am I the only person that cannot understand the point here ?
The rider keeps blowing past the neutral detent (and cursing) and is repeatedly cycling between first and second as he sits at the light.

I use the heel and toe simultaneously on the heel & toe shifter to select gears (and neutrals) with precision.
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Re: Waiting for the light to change in neutral
« Reply #40 on: September 29, 2022, 08:18:02 AM »
The rider keeps blowing past the neutral detent (and cursing) and is repeatedly cycling between first and second as he sits at the light.

I use the heel and toe simultaneously on the heel & toe shifter to select gears (and neutrals) with precision.
Ahhh ok… :grin:

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Re: Waiting for the light to change in neutral
« Reply #41 on: September 29, 2022, 08:21:14 AM »
Being in First with clutch disengaged has saved me from one rear end collision. I heard the squealing tires and did a fast exit. The sleepy rider who was following got it stopped in the position I had occupied a second previously.

But if there's a couple of solid vehicles stopped behind me and the light has any duration I'll select neutral.

At least on the V11, T3 and Ural replacing a throw out bearing is no big deal. Pull the cotter on the clutch lever retaining pin. Remove the lever and pull the throw out bearing out the back of the transmission and slide in a new one. All this is done with a fully assembled bike on the center stand (sidestand would work too). 20 minutes out of your life.
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Re: Waiting for the light to change in neutral
« Reply #42 on: September 29, 2022, 08:50:51 AM »
The detents on my Guzzis are a lot softer than other bikes I have ridden. It just takes a gentle touch. If the clutch is mal-adjusted all bets are off. I really like the clutch and transmission in my V7lll, they were also excellent in my departed Audace.
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