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Title: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on August 10, 2015, 06:44:29 PM
Thought I'd start a thread on the V7 Special I picked up last weekend down at RPM Cycle in Farmers Branch Texas.

Wade, Bill, and Boris were great to work with and seemed like real enthusiasts.  It was good fun hanging out in their dealership for a couple hours on Saturday!

Guzzi's aggressive customer cash deals were more than I could resist, and I dragged this beauty home for $7,000 OTD.

(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015-August-8-V7-Special/i-JZftTjD/1/M/DSCN9428-M.jpg)

The silver/grey/black scheme on this Special is really classy, and looks great in the sun! 

I really enjoyed the 2010 V7 Classic I had for awhile in 2012.  So, with these current incentives on leftover 2014s, I decided to take the plunge and put another V7 in the garage.

The bikes are nice as-is, but every bike can do with some upgrades.  Last night I ordered the following items:

-Dart Flyscreen.  (Just enough protection)
-Norman Hyde M bars.  (lower cafe-style handlebars)
-Custom heavy chrome bar ends. 
-Hepco + Becker bag mounts and luggage rack.  (I have a full set of Junior bags)



Things on "The List":

-Euro turnsignals  (chrome bullet turnsignals that look much better than the black stockers)
-Fork boots from the Stone  (they just look right)
-Sump extender (may do this at the first service)
-Agostini engine guard.
-Agostini mufflers  (Because, baby, just because)
-Suspension upgrades  (the OEM suspension could benefit from a few Benjamins thrown at it)
-Brembo Snowflake front rotor, and possibly a 4-pad caliper.
-Centerstand.
-Stone or Breva cast wheels  (may look at doing this when the OEM tires are done)
-A seat!  (Why doesn't Corbin have something for these bikes?)


(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015-August-8-V7-Special/i-763fdG9/2/M/DSCN9427-M.jpg)

 :bike-037:
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Guzzistajohn on August 10, 2015, 06:48:57 PM
Congrats on you're new purchase Mike, I'm sure you'll love it!
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: pyoungbl on August 10, 2015, 06:52:34 PM
Mike, I think you will find the '14 to be an improvement over your old bike.  If nothing else, the steel tank and single throttle body are winners.  On the suspension side, I'd recommend RaceTech springs and emulators on the forks.  For shocks you can choose your poison.  I had problems with shocks hitting my HB mounts until I mounted the RT shocks upside down.  You scored a great deal on a super bike, now to make it fit...enjoy!

Peter Y.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Cam3512 on August 10, 2015, 07:41:03 PM
http://www.af1racing.com/store/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=61524

Contemplating doing same with the Stone wheels.  Price is decent too.  The spoked aluminum black rims are not bad if you can live with tubes (I can).  IMO, Breva wheels on these bikes just don't look correct.


Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: LongRanger on August 10, 2015, 07:53:09 PM
Very nice! Congrats. That was a steal of a deal!
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Kev m on August 10, 2015, 07:57:16 PM
Ha ha, interesting turn of events... Enjoy!
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: blakebird on August 10, 2015, 08:08:09 PM
that's a very good looking bike - I can't keep my eyes off the V7 Special in red on black

not sure I would have been able to pass up a deal like that myself!
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rboe on August 10, 2015, 08:43:03 PM
I really liked the V7 when I took it for a test ride, but my gangly frame fit the CB1100 better. sigh, It had a very high grin factor too. Well done!  :bow:
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: lucydad on August 10, 2015, 08:57:14 PM
Rocker,

Blessings for many safe and trouble free and especially fun miles!!

Lovely machine indeed.

Interested in details on your front brake mods. 
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on August 10, 2015, 09:29:35 PM

Interested in details on your front brake mods.


The front brake on the V7 is not bad, but Brembo has better.   
 
"Snowflake" rotor has a 5mm thick blade and a light aluminum carrier.  These rotors give really good brake feel.
http://www.guzzitech.com/store/product/brembo-snowflake-rotor-gold/

"4-Pad Caliper" is the premium Brembo caliper with 65mm mounting.  The four individual pads give really nice feel.
http://www.guzzitech.com/store/product/brembo-4-pad-caliper-lt-2/



Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: sib on August 10, 2015, 09:32:44 PM
Congrats, and enjoy your new bike.  I'm sure you will.

However, I'm puzzled.  If you're thinking about putting on Stone cast wheels and fork boots, why didn't you just buy a Stone?  Those are the only significant differences between the Special and the Stone, and the Stone's over 1K cheaper than the Special.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: kingoffleece on August 10, 2015, 09:35:55 PM
Pat Mitchell at www.astechseats.com can do a fine job on your seat-he did a great job on my 15 Stone.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on August 10, 2015, 09:56:19 PM
Congrats, and enjoy your new bike.  I'm sure you will.

However, I'm puzzled.  If you're thinking about putting on Stone cast wheels and fork boots, why didn't you just buy a Stone?  Those are the only significant differences between the Special and the Stone, and the Stone's over 1K cheaper than the Special.

Paint.  If I bought a Stone, I'd have to paint it.

Other than the solid white, there really isn't a Stone paint job I like. 

And, I don't want to hassle with getting paint work done around here.

Here's a V7 with Breva wheels:
(http://blogs.c.yimg.jp/res/blog-91-a3/mqbyj522/folder/469448/02/4744502/img_0?1289054836)
 
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Kentktk on August 10, 2015, 10:59:50 PM
Good looking color combo, I like it!
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: davevv on August 10, 2015, 11:58:22 PM
Congrats on the new bike!  I had a suspicion of what you might be doing down here in my neck of the woods when I saw your comment in the Motus thread over on ADV.  I'm not at all surprised you liked RPM.  That's my favorite bike shop.  Kind of a throw back in that it's owned by an ex-roadracer and staffed with people who know their business and really are enthusiasts.  They also have the best parts department of any non H-D shop in the area.  Great place to do business.

I don't post much here anymore since I"m Guzziless at the moment, but I do drop in occasionally.  Enjoy the new bike, it's a beauty.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Cam3512 on August 11, 2015, 06:13:18 AM
Again, just my opinion but the 3-spoke Breva wheels look to modern for the retro V7.  Spokes or Lemans style are the way to go.

Agree with the paint.  Easier to change other stuff.  I had a choice of the two Special colors in '14, and the silver/black was it.   Just wish they had run the stripes over the top of the tank.   I remember calling around to dealers in 2013 asking if the 750S painted bikes were coming to the US.  Most dealers said no, or didn't know.  Typical Guzzi...
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: blackcat on August 11, 2015, 06:27:46 AM
Again, just my opinion but the 3-spoke Breva wheels look to modern for the retro V7.  Spokes or Lemans style are the way to go.



I agree, the bikes look better with spokes.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: tonUPRacer on August 11, 2015, 08:50:28 AM
Congrats! Nice to do list as well. I'll be interested to hear about your brake upgrades as well.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: ChuckH on August 12, 2015, 05:52:48 PM
Good for you Mike.  You're fortunate the '14 V7 fits your riding needs.

I'm not quite that lucky.  I rode over to the Dealer in Robinson, IL today (290 miles round trip) to check out the new V7 II Stone they have in stock.  They also have three '14 V7 models in stock, one that is exactly like the one you purchased. 

I have "test sat-on" the '14 and previous V7 models and have always decided they were too short from the seat to foot pegs for my leg length.  I was hoping the V7 II would be enough different in that dimension so I could consider one for a future purchase.  No such luck.  Granted, that dimension is a little greater on the latest model but not enough for my legs to be comfortable in their folded position.

Too bad.  IMO, Guzzi has made some very nice, sensible changes to that model.  It is just not for me.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on August 12, 2015, 06:19:18 PM
Thanks everyone.  I hope it makes for a nice little all-arounder.

As similar as it is to the '10 V7C that I had, it does feel different.  The throttle "feel" is different.  The engine feels different, and seems to run better at lower RPMs.  And, the suspension definitely could be better.

Today after work, I took the V7 out for 35-miles of mostly county backroads and realized that suspension may be getting moved up to the top of the list of things to do!  It's pretty harsh over small imperfections.  Damping issues, I guess. 



Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: vstevens on August 12, 2015, 06:45:24 PM
Super!  Just bought a white 13 stone last month and am really enjoying it. 
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: SmithSwede on August 12, 2015, 08:22:47 PM
Beautiful bike.  Congratulations.   I love my 13 Stone.

The essential mods for me were better rear shocks and a lower set of bars.    Don't like the "sit up and beg" riding position the stock bars force you into. 

May get more aggressive brake pads when the stock ones are worn out.    Hey, they are good enough to use up.   Don't want to needlessly spend money.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: paulbr on August 12, 2015, 10:01:43 PM
I've upgraded my 2014  stone to Ikon shocks a few weeks ago. I should have done it earlier, it makes an enormous difference.

Not sure whether to do anything with the forks, most of the options seem to be for the Marzocchis rather than the Kaifas.

I'll also be interested in your brake upgrades - do you expect to need to change the master cylinder for the different caliper?
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: jas67 on August 12, 2015, 10:45:57 PM
Thanks everyone.  I hope it makes for a nice little all-arounder.

As similar as it is to the '10 V7C that I had, it does feel different.  The throttle "feel" is different.  The engine feels different, and seems to run better at lower RPMs. 

I had a 2009 V7C prior to my 2013 V7R, and yes, that is my observation of the difference between the two engines.

And, the suspension definitely could be better.

Today after work, I took the V7 out for 35-miles of mostly county backroads and realized that suspension may be getting moved up to the top of the list of things to do!  It's pretty harsh over small imperfections.  Damping issues, I guess.

Yep -- same here.    The Racer's Bitubos work pretty while, but, the fork is harsh.    I'm planning on putitng Gold-valve emulators in it at some point.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: bad Chad on August 12, 2015, 11:07:15 PM
I not a fan of the three spoke wheel in general.  They have been in the line up for a long time, and I feel there time has past.  My BB Breva has them, and they look ok on that model, but on your v7II, not so much.  To me, they look clunky.

But in matters not what I think, if you like them, that's what counts!  Enjoy your new v7II, wish I was you!
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Birch71 on August 13, 2015, 08:56:57 AM
Looking forward to all the progress you will be making.

I've always really liked the V7, but I'm 6'3" and look and feel like a bear in the circus kinda experience. At least the Griso is long  :bike-037:
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: gerryp on August 13, 2015, 09:13:59 AM
Thanks everyone.  I hope it makes for a nice little all-arounder.

As similar as it is to the '10 V7C that I had, it does feel different.  The throttle "feel" is different.  The engine feels different, and seems to run better at lower RPMs.  And, the suspension definitely could be better.

Today after work, I took the V7 out for 35-miles of mostly county backroads and realized that suspension may be getting moved up to the top of the list of things to do!  It's pretty harsh over small imperfections.  Damping issues, I guess.

On My 2015 Stone I have the Biturbos on the rear and the front has been re-done with RaceTech components.

I'm also running a GIVI V46 top case and Guzzi Semi-Rigid  side bags as "Sophia' has been set up to function as an ST
bike.  I replaced the stock seat with the Racer seat and the stock foot pegs with rearsets as for me at 170 lbs and 29" inseam) that was the more comfortable set up.

Regards,

Gerry
Gerry
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: jas67 on August 13, 2015, 09:26:04 AM
On My 2015 Stone I have the Biturbos on the rear and the front has been re-done with RaceTech components.

Keep in mind that some 2013-2014 bikes have different forks ( Kaifa vs. Marzocchi )than the earlier and later bikes.
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=66391.0 (http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=66391.0)

IIRC, RaceTech only makes their emulators for the Mazocchi.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Loftness on August 13, 2015, 09:34:07 AM

Today after work, I took the V7 out for 35-miles of mostly county backroads and realized that suspension may be getting moved up to the top of the list of things to do!  It's pretty harsh over small imperfections.  Damping issues, I guess.

Dial back the stock setting first to see what that does for you.  I'm ~170lbs and the stock setting throws me up off the bike on smaller bumps.  Dialed it back a few notches and it's great now.  Doesn't mean I won't upgrade at some point, but I don't *need* to upgrade.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on August 13, 2015, 09:57:11 AM
Keep in mind that some 2013-2014 bikes have different forks ( Kaifa vs. Marzocchi )than the earlier and later bikes.
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=66391.0 (http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=66391.0)

IIRC, RaceTech only makes their emulators for the Mazocchi.

The the forks are Kaifa.  Matris makes kits for them.

Available in the USA from AF1 and Guzzitech.+

I need to double-check mine for the Kaifa "K" mark on the fork leg.  Build date for my 2014 model V7S is 7/13.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: MariusD on August 13, 2015, 12:48:49 PM
The the forks are Kaifa.  Matris makes kits for them.

Available in the USA from AF1 and Guzzitech.+

I need to double-check mine for the Kaifa "K" mark on the fork leg.  Build date for my 2014 model V7S is 7/13.

What do you figure you'll have in suspension cost after buying both front and rear?

And I have to agree with you on the Augustinis... gotta have 'em, cuz nothing else sounds like them on a GUZZI!  :drool:
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on August 13, 2015, 03:23:41 PM
What do you figure you'll have in suspension cost after buying both front and rear?

And I have to agree with you on the Augustinis... gotta have 'em, cuz nothing else sounds like them on a GUZZI!  :drool:

If I do the labor on the fork upgrade myself, $700 to $2000 depending upon my pain level.

Ikon shocks are about $350
Several choices in the $700 to $1500 range
Penske shocks are about $1700

The Matris fork kit is about $365.

Penske makes some NICE shocks!   :evil:
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Mile High Guzzi on August 13, 2015, 06:53:31 PM
Rocker, congrats...I had the pleasure of riding LongRangers V7 Classic before he sold it, and I thought it was a very nice ride, light and plenty of power (at least in solo mode), but the suspension could have used some improvement, but I appreciate it is a price point thing from the factory.  At 200++ lbs, the factory fork springs especially were too soft, a problem I have with most bikes as I prefer minimal dive under hard braking.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: kingoffleece on August 13, 2015, 07:52:36 PM
Gerry and I had our bikes set up at the same shop where we bought them.
I also have a RaceTech kit up front.  At the end of the season I'll have the shop owner go down one on the spring rate-it's just a bit stiff for my 200lbs.  I also had this shop have Ohlins make me shocks after I found the BiTurbo product unacceptable.  The Ohlins solution is quite nice but the price is just about out of sight.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: gerryp on August 13, 2015, 08:27:36 PM
Gerry and I had our bikes set up at the same shop where we bought them.
I also have a RaceTech kit up front.  At the end of the season I'll have the shop owner go down one on the spring rate-it's just a bit stiff for my 200lbs.  I also had this shop have Ohlins make me shocks after I found the BiTurbo product unacceptable.  The Ohlins solution is quite nice but the price is just about out of sight.

That's what so great about this bike...there is so much that can be done to make it the perfect bike for YOU.

The one thing wish I had done was to have the ecu re-flashed.  I'll have the shop take care of that at season end.



Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: MariusD on August 13, 2015, 10:43:28 PM
If I do the labor on the fork upgrade myself, $700 to $2000 depending upon my pain level.

Ikon shocks are about $350
Several choices in the $700 to $1500 range
Penske shocks are about $1700

The Matris fork kit is about $365.

Penske makes some NICE shocks!   :evil:

Thanks.

So really it sounds like you could make a marked improvement in the bike's suspension in just doing these two: 

Ikon shocks are about $350
The Matris fork kit is about $365.

so about $800 or so, to start.

To me, the high dollar stuff is only worth it if you're trying to squeeze every ounce of performance and adjustability, if you are competitively racing or something. Otherwise,  improvement per dollar spent might make better sense with the mid grade options. Hopefully there is something more reasonably priced for the purpose of a comfortable daily street bike.

I'll be very curious to see what you decide.

I still can't get over your the silver/black special... I mean...  :drool:!

Don't feel bad about spoiling us with pictures!

MOAR :gotpics:
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: mjptexas on August 14, 2015, 07:45:50 AM
..Ikon shocks are about $350
Several choices in the $700 to $1500 range
Penske shocks are about $1700

The Matris fork kit is about $365.

Penske makes some NICE shocks!   :evil:

Looks like you're doing a fair amount of research.  Did you find any Ohlins shocks that will fit?
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: tonUPRacer on August 14, 2015, 11:12:54 AM
is the Matris fork kit the only thing available at the moment?  That's just a stiffer spring and the ability to adjust the preload without sawing off the spacer.  It's that damn antique damper rod arrangement that needs to go.  I hope Racetech comes up with an emulator soon.
I was under that impression as well, but I was informed by Todd at GuzziTech that it also has oil-flow regulator holes. I put in the Matris kit and weight rated springs, worth the money IMHO>
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Waltr on August 14, 2015, 11:51:44 AM
  The Matris kit for my Norge works VERY well.  I cannot report how it worked alone because I had the KE+ID MatriS shock installed at the same time.  I wanted to be able to use all the travel in the front so I asked to have a compliant front end vs. too stiff.  Spring rates are perfect and I found Matris to be very responsive to request.  We will match prices and ship within US for free <SPAM>.
Walt, EUROPA MACCHINA 717-932-6600.   
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Waltr on August 14, 2015, 01:37:30 PM
  The Matris kit for my Norge works VERY well.  I cannot report how it worked alone because I had the KE+ID MatriS shock installed at the same time.  I wanted to be able to use all the travel in the front so I asked to have a compliant front end vs. too stiff.  Spring rates are perfect and I found Matris to be very responsive to request.  We will match prices and ship within US for free <SPAM>.
Walt, EUROPA MACCHINA 717-932-6600.   
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: kingoffleece on August 14, 2015, 02:59:09 PM
If you're asking about the Ohlins they used Sportster shock bodies with reservoir and customized them from there for the V7.
I needed to find spacers as they were out to lunch on what they supplied.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: LaGrasta on August 14, 2015, 03:22:07 PM
it's not been mentioned… I'm running Wilbers shocks and Traxxion AK-20 cartridges in the forks.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on August 16, 2015, 04:00:12 PM
I spent a little time in the garage today...

Installed the Norman Hyde M Bars, heavy bar ends, and the Hepco + Becker racks.

(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015-August-8-V7-Special/i-K2JQcFk/0/M/DSCN4977-M.jpg)

(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015-August-8-V7-Special/i-2Bc8D6V/0/M/DSCN4979-M.jpg)

(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015-August-8-V7-Special/i-dmkS6Rn/0/M/DSCN4981-M.jpg)

(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015-August-8-V7-Special/i-mxMDBKx/0/M/DSCN4980-M.jpg)

(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015-August-8-V7-Special/i-cPNCgBv/0/M/DSCN4982-M.jpg)


I was put off a bit by the cost of the H+B racks, but since I have two sets of panniers and a top box, it only made sense to go that route.  The build quality is very good.  Better than older H+B racks I've had.  Nice welds, and a nice black finish.  They installed quickly and easily, and I think the black finish is much less obtrusive than the chrome finish.

The Norman Hyde M Bars are great!  They have a 1" rise and put my hands in a very natural position, not unlike the clipons I'm used to on my spine-frame bikes, but well above the triple clamp.  A very natural, comfortable position.  The bars are wider than stock, allowing the stock mirrors to be much more useful.  I've had bar end mirrors on one bike, and they just aren't really my thing.  I love the look, but not the function.  I'm glad the OEM mirrors function so well on the Norman Hyde bars.

The Norman Hyde bars don't have plugs, so I picked up some universal bar ends that weigh about 10-oz each.  We'll see how well they work.  They're a little heavier than stock, so should do a good job with any vibes that come through the bars.


H+B Racks: $623.42
Handlebars: $59.95
Bar Ends:  $29.95
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Kev m on August 16, 2015, 04:27:04 PM
If it makes you feel any better, I probably paid similar amounts for the chrome HB racks, then paid MORE to have them powdercoated because they didn't have the black finish available then.  :thewife:
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: dl.allen on August 16, 2015, 04:31:48 PM
looking good
how about a side shot to see if you are leaning forward to reach the bars or is it neutral upright?
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: malik on August 16, 2015, 06:24:01 PM
Now a few 300 mile trips to see how the ergos stack up for you & to make minor adjustments. That should be fun. Good news on the mirrors, by the way.

Rear sets helped me with a little forward lean into the wind once I took the screen off.

Mal
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: pyoungbl on August 16, 2015, 06:42:06 PM
Mike, I went round and round on my V7 suspension.  At the time Todd was the only game in town so I followed his recommendation for RT springs and emulators.  The initial setup was not good so it took quite a bit of back and forth to reach an acceptable solution.  In the end I am running RT .80 springs with their emulators.  The emulators are now drilled for two extra holes (come standard with two and dimples for two more).  I have 15W fork oil and might go to 12W or 10W at a later date.  If you go this route you will have to take the forks apart to get the metering rod out and drill holes in the rod.  Basically you want to bypass the stock metering system and use the emulators instead.  The stock system is really crude, the emulators give you quite a bit of adjustability.  My forks had the "K" marks.  One caution, it's really easy to munch up the stock fork caps.  I ended up modifying a socket to fit those caps:  (https://peteryoungblood.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/13-V7-Special/i-4xjX898/0/M/IMG_1042-M.jpg).  That socket is available for loan if needed.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Kentktk on August 16, 2015, 09:34:19 PM
Did you loosen the bolts holding the fork tubes to the top triple clamp? It can make a difference when trying to unscrew fork caps.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: MariusD on August 16, 2015, 10:50:51 PM
Nice start to the modding! Those racks look surprisingly clean on the bike. I guess the black colors blend in well. Looks great! And it's hard to beat H+B for quality anyway...
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on August 20, 2015, 03:38:19 PM
Damn.  It's amazing how the aftermarket for Guzzi's V7 has changed!

Agostini's has about six options for mufflers.
Mistral has at least four options for mufflers.
Arrow has mufflers for the bikes. 
Staintune, too.

And there are probably more.

Decisions.  Decisions. 

I like the nice polished look of the Staintunes.  The price, not so much:
(http://motociclo.com.au/sites/default/files/imagecache/product_full/staintune_v7_classic_stonewall.jpg)

Mistrals aren't too bad.  They look very much like the stockers, only slimmer.:
(http://www.mgcycle.com/images/atrex/mgclac_01.jpg)

I really like carbon mufflers, but not sure they're right for the V7:
(http://www.af1racing.com/store/ProdImages/st3/MGCLACFC_d1.jpg)

But I like the idea of dark mufflers on my silver/grey bike, so leaning towards these Agostini's:
(http://www.af1racing.com/store/ProdImages/st3/AMV7N.jpg)
 
 :food:
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: MariusD on August 20, 2015, 06:43:22 PM

But I like the idea of dark mufflers on my silver/grey bike, so leaning towards these Agostini's:
(http://www.af1racing.com/store/ProdImages/st3/AMV7N.jpg)
 
 :food:

In my world, the only way to do a guzzi right is with Agostinis! Other pipes aren't bad, but nothing else makes guzzi's sound quiet so sweet like the Agostinis do. Not to mention those black pipes would look perfect with the color scheme of your bike. That's my vote!
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Cam3512 on August 20, 2015, 07:21:30 PM
I have the same color bike, and it's wearing those black Ago's.  You won't be dissappointed.

Also, the Ago's need no additional gaskets like the Mistrals.  They're half the weight of stock, and do have the removable DB killers.  Just slip them on and go.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Cam3512 on August 20, 2015, 07:56:01 PM
I had those black ones on my Racer.  Very nice.  Agostini now offers these, too:

(http://www.agostinimandello.com/images/virtuemart/amv7hfna/20130110_hfna_01_big.jpg)

Interesting...

Those are butt-ugly, looks like a cow hoof.  I think they would interfere with the bags anyway.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on August 20, 2015, 09:19:40 PM
I had those black ones on my Racer.  Very nice.  Agostini now offers these, too:

(http://www.agostinimandello.com/images/virtuemart/amv7hfna/20130110_hfna_01_big.jpg)

Interesting...

Yeah.  I really like those hydro-formed Agostinis, and on the right bike I think they'd be cool.  After mulling it over during the past week, I don't think they'll work for the look I'm going for.  I really like the off-black charcoal look they gave the stainless on the muffler body

 (http://i.ytimg.com/vi/EDNRxEmuzsQ/maxresdefault.jpg)

(http://www.af1racing.com/store/ProdImages/st3/AMV7HB.jpg)
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on August 20, 2015, 09:21:03 PM
I think they would interfere with the bags anyway.

They're available in a "low" and "high" version.  The low version looks like it would work with my H+B bags, but I think I'd rather go with something more vintage/traditional looking.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on August 20, 2015, 09:34:33 PM
In my world, the only way to do a guzzi right is with Agostinis! Other pipes aren't bad, but nothing else makes guzzi's sound quiet so sweet like the Agostinis do. Not to mention those black pipes would look perfect with the color scheme of your bike. That's my vote!

I have the same color bike, and it's wearing those black Ago's.  You won't be dissappointed.

Also, the Ago's need no additional gaskets like the Mistrals.  They're half the weight of stock, and do have the removable DB killers.  Just slip them on and go.

Yeah.  I have a soft spot for Agostini stuff, and like the idea of supporting a small Mandello Guzzi vendor.

Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on August 20, 2015, 09:55:46 PM
DART screen came in the mail today from The UK.  So, I spent a few minutes out in the garage.

Nice, well made, and simple construction made installation a breeze.  Not cheap at $129.95, but a very nice piece.

And, it will keep the bugs and crap off my gauge package!

(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015-August-8-V7-Special/i-MXHHgHv/1/M/20150817_163304-M.jpg)

(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015-August-8-V7-Special/i-SzHTV42/0/M/20150820_201212-M.jpg)

(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015-August-8-V7-Special/i-9Z29398/1/M/20150820_203929-M.jpg)

 :bike-037:
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Zinfan on August 20, 2015, 11:05:03 PM
I really like my Guzzitech 2:2 system.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a189/RickFi/Mobile%20Uploads/20141224_115715_zps13b3cf29.jpg)
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: malik on August 21, 2015, 03:16:22 AM
I have Staintunes on the Classic, and Mistrals on the Special. Go with the Agostinis, they really do sound great.

And I like your 1100 Sport in the background of your Dart shots.

Mal
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Kev m on August 21, 2015, 06:27:41 AM
Hey Rocker, am I right that your bike originally came with a chrome handlebar, not black?
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on August 21, 2015, 07:33:49 AM
Hey Rocker, am I right that your bike originally came with a chrome handlebar, not black?

Yes.  Chrome handlebar and chrome mirrors on The Special, from the factory.  That's why I went with the chrome Norman Hyde bar:  To keep it sort of OEM looking.

Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Kev m on August 21, 2015, 07:35:44 AM
Yes.  Chrome handlebar and chrome mirrors on The Special, from the factory.  That's why I went with the chrome Norman Hyde bar:  To keep it sort of OEM looking.

Bummer...thought I'd located a nice set of black take-offs to replace my stock chrome ones.  :sad:
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on August 21, 2015, 07:44:00 AM
Bummer...thought I'd located a nice set of black take-offs to replace my stock chrome ones.  :sad:

I "think" the black bars showed up on the '14 and '15 Stones.  Those are the only bikes I've seen with them.

Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: gerryp on August 21, 2015, 09:39:30 AM
I "think" the black bars showed up on the '14 and '15 Stones.  Those are the only bikes I've seen with them.

Yup, blacks on my 2015 Stone.

Gerry
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Kev m on August 21, 2015, 09:41:52 AM
yeah, I was just hoping it was the Special too since I've not seen anyone else change out bars yet... oh well... maybe I'll just have to buy new or aftermarket eventually.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: jas67 on August 21, 2015, 09:45:26 AM
yeah, I was just hoping it was the Special too since I've not seen anyone else change out bars yet... oh well... maybe I'll just have to buy new or aftermarket eventually.

Plasti-dip in the meantime?
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: ritratto on August 21, 2015, 11:26:11 AM
Yeah.  I have a soft spot for Agostini stuff, and like the idea of supporting a small Mandello Guzzi vendor.

I second that! And just the nicest folks too!
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Kev m on August 21, 2015, 11:29:13 AM
Plasti-dip in the meantime?

 :thewife:

Plasti-Dip may be good enough for my 8 y/o Harley that's ridden in the winter... but NO, it's NOT good enough for my 2 y/o Guzzi!  :boxing:  :violent1:
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on August 22, 2015, 07:25:57 PM
Took the bike out for a 70 mile back roads ramble this afternoon.  Mostly county roads, but a few State highways.  Speeds 45-75 mph, and the V7 was a gem.  The bike is really fun at a more relaxed "sight-seeing" pace, something my Sport 1100 doesn't really care for.

The DART flyscreen is pretty nice.  It puts a surprisingly large area of calm air on my torso with only a slight increase in turbulence and noise at the bottom of the helmet.  I didn't think it would be very functional, but I was wrong.  It knocks just enough air off the torso at highway speeds without being in my vision or causing lots of noise/turbulence.

The 1TB engine on these V7 Classics is really nice for "motoring".  With peak torque so low, and with such a flat torque curve, riding the bike is effortless.  Low gearing means you will use all five cogs at legal speeds, unlike many Guzzis or Ducatis.

"Motoring" is the word.  There are horses for courses, and just like there are times when a Miata is more enjoyable than a Corvette, there are times when this V7 Special is a better choice than my Sport 1100.  Narrow curvy slow-speed county roads are lots of fun on a bike like this. 

It has all the essence of bikes like the 1970s Bonneville, Commando, and V7 Sport, but polished shined and refined with the smooth Guzzi engine and modern amenities...

(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015-August-8-V7-Special/i-ThJh7nP/1/M/20150822_180326-M.jpg)

(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015-August-8-V7-Special/i-BCPK4Hc/2/M/20150822_180340-M.jpg)
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: dl.allen on August 22, 2015, 10:03:03 PM
your bike is looking sharp
next time you ride still need  a side shot to see the reach to those M bars
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: kingoffleece on August 23, 2015, 05:53:23 AM
I think I mentioned this before but you  better check your fuel filter.  I know of several 2014 and 2015 bikes, including mine, that came with the half metal/half plastic filter.  Every one was ready to burst by 4000 miles.  When it goes belly up from the ethanol it's game over.  Replace with an all metal housing filter.  Don't forget to order a new gasket as you'll need that also.

Now, that said, it's off for a 100 mile ride to meet a few other Guzzi friends for breakfast!
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Cam3512 on August 23, 2015, 06:18:03 AM
I think I mentioned this before but you  better check your fuel filter.  I know of several 2014 and 2015 bikes, including mine, that came with the half metal/half plastic filter.  Every one was ready to burst by 4000 miles.  When it goes belly up from the ethanol it's game over.  Replace with an all metal housing filter.  Don't forget to order a new gasket as you'll need that also.

Now, that said, it's off for a 100 mile ride to meet a few other Guzzi friends for breakfast!

Are you saying the tank pump gasket is not reusable?  My Calvin had a thick soft one that was.

Doesn't mean the filter will burst.  My '14 has 7K miles, and I know of others that have higher mileage on the original filter.  I'll change mine this winter.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Kev m on August 23, 2015, 07:10:59 AM
I'm sure the half plastic filter is a risk at some level.

But like my Breva 1100 before my V7 is approaching 3 years with the original.

I may replace it this summer.

I've never heard of one bursting on a V7 and certainly not in such little time or mileage. Add a matter of fact I think we only have one or two reports of one failing on a CARC.

So although I think it's a good idea to replace, it's hardly an emergency.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: biking sailor on August 23, 2015, 03:22:43 PM
Seriously, if you think it may be the half plastic, change it out. If it splits on the road, it can be expensive and very inconvenient (if not dangerous as the bike just dies without warning)!

(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae239/darrenbalboa26/1200SportFuelFilter_zps747dca28.jpg) (http://s975.photobucket.com/user/darrenbalboa26/media/1200SportFuelFilter_zps747dca28.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Kev m on August 23, 2015, 04:00:57 PM
This is the one on my 2012 Racer after 3,000 miles.  I don't think mileage makes much difference.  This was about one year into ownership.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/195/fuelfilterl.jpg)

I've got a new one sitting on the shelf for my new V7.  As soon as I burn off some fuel, it's going in.

That looks a lot like the one I pulled from my Breva 1100 after about 3 years of ownership.

Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: kingoffleece on August 23, 2015, 04:03:14 PM
Mine was soft and spongy.  Failure looked close at hand to me.  Glad it's out.  I think if I pushed with a bit of force it would have burst.
As for the gasket, I didn't see the need to reuse it.  I ordered one with the filter and replaced it with new.

As I have another Western New York to New England run in a few weeks I wasn't up for a gamble on the filter.

That's just the way I maintain my stuff. As always, YMMV.  Like I said, just a heads up.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: kingoffleece on August 23, 2015, 04:06:19 PM
According to a rider from the UK, as posted at GuzziTech, he contacted the manufacture of the filter in question and was told that it was specked for diesel fuel and not petrol.  You could check that site for details, but that's the jist of it.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on August 23, 2015, 04:07:37 PM
your bike is looking sharp
next time you ride still need  a side shot to see the reach to those M bars

OK.  Here you go...

A few shots of my 5'-10" 240-lbs 34" sleeeved 32" inseamed lard ass making passes in front of the house while Red fires off the Nikon...
(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015-August-8-V7-Special/i-JqCP347/2/M/DSC_1145-M.jpg)

Slight forward lean, but no real weight on the hands...
(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015-August-8-V7-Special/i-HczxXhk/2/M/DSC_1152-M.jpg)

The Norman Hyde M bars are lower with hands in a more natural position, but the bike is so close-coupled that there isn't much reach to the bars.
(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015-August-8-V7-Special/i-h5k92Zv/2/M/DSC_1164-M.jpg)

Overall, I'd call it a neutral seating position.  Both the bars and the pegs.
(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015-August-8-V7-Special/i-sk8rBKj/1/M/DSC_1178-M.jpg)

Just as a frame of reference, this is how I look on my other bike, the 1996 Sport 1100... A little more committed...
(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015-June-18-Western-Adventure/i-Pdmr2qT/2/M/DSCN4628-M.jpg)
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on August 23, 2015, 04:22:06 PM
Mine was soft and spongy.  Failure looked close at hand to me.  Glad it's out.  I think if I pushed with a bit of force it would have burst.
As for the gasket, I didn't see the need to reuse it.  I ordered one with the filter and replaced it with new.

As I have another Western New York to New England run in a few weeks I wasn't up for a gamble on the filter.

That's just the way I maintain my stuff. As always, YMMV.  Like I said, just a heads up.

 :thumb:

I may do mine at the first service...
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: bad Chad on August 23, 2015, 04:29:56 PM
Did you already muck up the right side cover?  In post 72, second pic, looks like something tore the paint off?
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on August 23, 2015, 04:36:44 PM
Did you already muck up the right side cover?  In post 72, second pic, looks like something tore the paint off?

Shiny paint and a white building across the street.

Gotta love shiny paint...

(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015-August-8-V7-Special/i-BCPK4Hc/3/L/20150822_180340-L.jpg)
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: dl.allen on August 23, 2015, 04:58:58 PM
Thanks!

looks comfy.  I have thought about buying those M bars many times.  I think I will try a set on my 850T
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: bad Chad on August 23, 2015, 05:02:22 PM
 :thumb:  Very, nice.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Kev m on August 23, 2015, 05:20:36 PM
Mine was soft and spongy.  Failure looked close at hand to me.  Glad it's out.  I think if I pushed with a bit of force it would have burst.

Obviously looks can be deceiving.

Mine looked like that too, but hadn't bursted in years of service, nor did it separate when I gave it a good squeeze.

Perhaps if I pull mine this winter after 3 years of service I'll plug one end and apply compressed air at higher and higher pressures till it fails and report back.

What's the fuel pressure on these things? 30 or 40 psi? I'd after there and go up in increments of 10-20#.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: kingoffleece on August 23, 2015, 07:38:37 PM
Obviously.  As stated, YMMV.  As a former pro diver I take the position that I'll eliminate know problem areas when I'm made aware of them.  It's what works for me.

I do count on the insight(s) I get from forum boards.  THX for the insight.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Kev m on August 23, 2015, 07:58:32 PM
King,

I understand why you would want to eliminate the variable. As an amatuer diver my risk assessment is different from yours. Only time I ever had a problem with other's attitudes in diving was on a group dive in Jamaica without my usual partner (wife) who was trying to get pregnant at the time and we decided she shouldn't play with her blood gases just in case. So I hadn't planned on diving and didn't have all my usual equipment and the native dive masters were woefully causal about risk.

I stayed well within my comfort zone but wound up babysitting someone else's wife who was dangerously low on air and whose signals to the dive master were blown off. When we finally surfaced with our "dive master" at his planned ascension point we were no where near our boat, she had under 200# left and had only done a safety stop cause I'd grabbed her. I'd also shown her my regulator before that point to show that I had over 1000# and I was there for her.


Point for the non-divers.

Quick guess, maybe 5-10k Guzzis have been sold in the US in the decade plus since the introduction of the internal EFI fuel pumps and half plastic filters (Cal-Vins, CARCs, smallblock Brevas and V7s, Cali 1400s) all seemingly with half plastic fuel filters and susceptible to this failure.

In all that time I've only heard one, MAYBE two reports of one failing. (I've heard of MULTIPLE swollen Cal-Vin fuel line failures in the same timeframe).

I've not heard of any dealer who pulls them out at prep or break-in (though one may exist).

I've personally seen one swollen after YEARS of my own use, but it didn't seem like it was about to fail.

I ride predominantly on the east coast, mostly within hours of home these days, pretty much always with a cell signal our at least a manageable hike to one and ambient conditions that wouldn't make such an event life threatening.

So though a sudden failure would be inconvenient it would be extremely manageable.

YMMV, so if you want to replace it right away do that.

But if they were failing left and right we'd have heard about it by now even on a manufacturer as small as Guzzi. And like I said, the seeming greater risk of bad hoses in the Cal-vin seemed to make a much larger splash in the data stream despite being sold in FAR fewer numbers as compared to all the rest of the bikes. So I assess the risk small at best.



Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on August 23, 2015, 08:08:50 PM
Do we need to revive one of the fuel filter threads? LOL!

 :Beating_A_Dead_Hors e_by_liviu
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Kev m on August 23, 2015, 08:12:54 PM
Do we need to revive one of the fuel filter threads? LOL!

 :Beating_A_Dead_Hors e_by_liviu

You probably have to because the ONE with the actual failure is ancient history by now.  :kiss:
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: jas67 on August 23, 2015, 09:06:06 PM
I'm sure the half plastic filter is a risk at some level.

But like my Breva 1100 before my V7 is approaching 3 years with the original.

My V7R is approaching 8k miles and 3 years -- still going strong on the original filter.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: jas67 on August 23, 2015, 09:13:55 PM
Gotta love shiny paint...

 :1:

I'm not a fan of the flat/satin finishes that are so in vogue right now.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: kingoffleece on August 23, 2015, 10:02:39 PM
Got it.  Understood.

As for diving, well now you know never to buddy with someone you don't know.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Cam3512 on August 24, 2015, 04:32:54 AM
Yea, the internet forums only fuel the panic.  Having said that, I will preemtively change mine this winter.  My Calvin died  (popped a pump hose) in the left lane of 95 outside Baltimore. Dumb luck would have it there were no trucks or cars between me and the right shoulder 4 lanes away.  Not fun.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Kev m on August 24, 2015, 06:05:42 AM
Got it.  Understood.

As for diving, well now you know never to buddy with someone you don't know.

Absolutely, and I shouldn't have dove that trip anyway as I hadn't planned on it. No computer, rented everything but my mask/snorkel/fins. But I figured it was a relatively shallow resort dive and I knew I'd be fine. I was just shocked at how causal everyone else was. Actually I want even buddied with ANYONE and her "buddy" (husband) was no where to be found.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on August 24, 2015, 06:41:48 AM
Yea, the internet forums only fuel the panic.  Having said that, I will preemtively change mine this winter.  My Calvin died  (popped a pump hose) in the left lane of 95 outside Baltimore. Dumb luck would have it there were no trucks or cars between me and the right shoulder 4 lanes away.  Not fun.

That's why I always think, "What's the worst thing that can happen?" when dealing with a known issue.  :smiley: I fix whatever it is as soon as I find out about it. It took maybe a couple of hours on the Norge. <shrug> Yes, it was soft and swollen. When would it have failed? Probably when I was in the left lane going 80 in rush hour traffic..  :wink:
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Kev m on August 24, 2015, 07:06:51 AM
I think the issue is whether or not we really KNOW it is an issue.

With only 1 (maybe 2) reports out of ~10k bikes, is it REALLY a problem? Or was ONE filter defective? Swollen isn't failed. Swollen isn't even a guarantee of a future failure.

With the Cal-Vin fuel hoses we've heard maybe a dozen reports, and THAT is out of how many bikes? Maybe 100 or 500?

The difference in percentage of reports per population is HUGE. I believe the Cal-Vin fuel hose swelling was a real problem.

I'm not convinced on the fuel filter. Though I DID eventually replace it on the Breva, and will eventually do so on the V7.

Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Cam3512 on August 24, 2015, 07:19:58 AM
I think the issue is whether or not we really KNOW it is an issue.

With only 1 (maybe 2) reports out of ~10k bikes, is it REALLY a problem? Or was ONE filter defective? Swollen isn't failed. Swollen isn't even a guarantee of a future failure.

With the Cal-Vin fuel hoses we've heard maybe a dozen reports, and THAT is out of how many bikes? Maybe 100 or 500?

The difference in percentage of reports per population is HUGE. I believe the Cal-Vin fuel hose swelling was a real problem.

I'm not convinced on the fuel filter. Though I DID eventually replace it on the Breva, and will eventually do so on the V7.

Sounds like a good reason to drink a few cold ones.  Let me know when you do, and I'll take a ride out.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Kev m on August 24, 2015, 07:35:06 AM
Sounds like a good reason to drink a few cold ones.  Let me know when you do, and I'll take a ride out.

Probably this winter... like DEAD OF winter, once I take her off the road for that reason. That way I'm not rushed.

But you could always DRIVE out that day. And we can do yours another day.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on August 24, 2015, 11:09:33 AM
Mike - I had the fuel pump out of my 2012 many times (adjusting the low fuel sensor).  You don't need buy a gasket.  It's a big heavy rubber thing.

Right on!

Not only is it fine to reuse, a new one is like $37.50
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: SmithSwede on August 24, 2015, 01:33:20 PM
As to fuel filter---what is the logic of making the thing half plastic?  Maybe it is more durable than we fear, but I don't understand why you would design it that way in the first place. 

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: tiger_one on August 24, 2015, 02:45:39 PM
Most diesels, use clear so you can see the air in the part/line, usually a bad O-ring on the Mercedes.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on September 02, 2015, 08:12:18 AM
Agostinis installed yesterday.  Holy Crap!  They're loud without the removable baffle!

They're also a little too quiet with the baffles...  Hmmm...

Has anyone cut any length off the baffle to try and alter the sound ??
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: gerryp on September 02, 2015, 09:30:59 AM
Agostinis installed yesterday.  Holy Crap!  They're loud without the removable baffle!

They're also a little too quiet with the baffles...  Hmmm...

Has anyone cut any length off the baffle to try and alter the sound ??

That's why I went with the Arrows (after listening to King of Fleece's bike run at Hamlin Cycles). Quiet enough not to piss off the neighbours but loud enough to sound great riding around.

regards,

Gerry

Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on September 02, 2015, 09:42:18 AM
Which Agostinis did you get?  I had the black ones on my Racer.  They were OK.  Did you order direct from Italy?

Black reverse cone megs.  Bought from AF1Racing.

(http://www.stein-dinse.biz/images/product_images/popup_images/300001229_01.jpg)

(pics of my bike to come)
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Loftness on September 02, 2015, 12:22:06 PM
Yup.  Those are the ones I had.  The script/signature will rust.

Interesting.  I wonder if they realize this.  The exhausts themselves are awesome sounding and the silky matte black finish on those (new) is really beautiful.  But I've only seen them new and haven't seen them after time on the road.  That's disappointing to hear the script would rust.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on September 02, 2015, 12:46:19 PM
The bodies are supposed to be stainless steel.  I'll be sure and report back if the Ago script oxidizes/rusts.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: vntgmx on September 02, 2015, 01:41:33 PM
Black reverse cone megs.  Bought from AF1Racing.

(http://www.stein-dinse.biz/images/product_images/popup_images/300001229_01.jpg)

(pics of my bike to come)

Nice choice!  Those were on my short list but I ended up going with the full 2:2 stainless from Todd at Guzzitech....The black Agos really go with the lines of the V7 imo...
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on September 02, 2015, 05:53:42 PM
Ok! The Agostinis have tunable sound!!

This afternoon I hacked 1-5/8" off of the 3-5/8" DB Killers and got a nice compromise in sound. A little more of what I wanted, but still lots quieter  than with them removed.

No popping on overrun, and the bike seems to run great!

Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: oldbike54 on September 02, 2015, 05:55:59 PM
Ok! The Agostinis have tunable sound!!

This afternoon I hacked 1-5/8" off of the 3-5/8" DB Killers and got a nice compromise in sound. A little more of what I wanted, but still lots quieter  than with them removed.

No popping on overrun, and the bike seems to run great!

 Hillbilly hop up  :grin:

  Dusty
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Mile High Guzzi on September 02, 2015, 08:57:51 PM
I say go w/ the sound level you like...but short shift out of the neighborhood.....I am respectful of others, but I gotta hear the music when alone....


Ok! The Agostinis have tunable sound!!

This afternoon I hacked 1-5/8" off of the 3-5/8" DB Killers and got a nice compromise in sound. A little more of what I wanted, but still lots quieter  than with them removed.

No popping on overrun, and the bike seems to run great!
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on September 02, 2015, 10:27:41 PM
I say go w/ the sound level you like...but short shift out of the neighborhood.....I am respectful of others, but I gotta hear the music when alone....

Agreed!  That's why I had to put the baffles back in, but trimmed a bit!

(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015-August-8-V7-Special/i-gm8NzXS/1/M/20150902_214529-M.jpg)

(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015-August-8-V7-Special/i-fp6rkWf/1/M/20150902_214517-M.jpg)

(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015-August-8-V7-Special/i-C9ZqSgc/0/M/20150902_215126-M.jpg)

(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015-August-8-V7-Special/i-jS9QJfr/0/M/20150902_215212-M.jpg)

 :bike-037:
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: O on September 03, 2015, 05:51:20 AM
Looking good!  I do love the looks of those Agos.  Before the baffle surgery, with baffles in how did they compare to the stock?  Louder?  Quieter?





Pssst...your safety stickers are still on.   
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Loftness on September 03, 2015, 07:56:55 AM
Looking good!  I do love the looks of those Agos.  Before the baffle surgery, with baffles in how did they compare to the stock?  Louder?  Quieter?


Agostinis with baffles in sound deeper/throatier than stock (and louder).  With baffles out they're not quite as deep sounding but are much louder.  I actually like the baffle-in sound a bit more...I feel like it better represents Guzzi.

To put it in other words, when I have the baffles out my wife notices from inside the house as I pull away.  ("You're bike sounds loud today.") 
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on September 03, 2015, 08:46:22 AM
Looking good!  I do love the looks of those Agos.  Before the baffle surgery, with baffles in how did they compare to the stock?  Louder?  Quieter?


Original baffles in, deep tone sort of like turbo mufflers on a Chevy V8.  Volume only slightly louder than stock, but the low frequency sound really came through.  Very smooth and throaty sound.

With baffles removed, add in a little raspyness and a LOT of volume.  Like Sportster with drag pipes volume.  It was much louder than my Staintune-equipped Sport 1100, which is my benchmark for great sound at just the right volume.  It was just too loud and ostentatious for a V7.  When riding it with baffles removed, I felt like "one of those guys" that I bitch about.

Cutting the baffles allowed a little more volume and raspyness without being "too much".  I won't be embarrassed to ride through the neighborhood, now.  The bike sounds really good, and has a lot more "authority" to its note than you'd expect from a little pushrod 750.

I do have to say, though, that the stock exhaust had a nice little burble.  Just too big, heavy, and shiny for me.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: kirkemon on September 03, 2015, 12:05:58 PM
I do have to say, though, that the stock exhaust had a nice little burble.  Just too big, heavy, and shiny for me.
Not trying to turn this into an exhaust thread but, I like shiny pipes. I've had cabon fiber Termignonis - although they sounded good after a couple years they didn't look very good.
The Staintunes look fantastic to me, chrome and no rivets.
http://staintune.com.au/collections/moto-guzzi/products/moto-guzzi-v7-classic
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on September 03, 2015, 10:48:52 PM
Yeah, the Staintunes are mighty fine.  I have them on my Sport 1100, and almost pulled the trigger for a set, instead of the Agostinis, for the V7.

Just wanted to try something different, and something local to Guzzi, so the Agostinis won out.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: O on September 04, 2015, 08:21:40 AM
SNIP
I do have to say, though, that the stock exhaust had a nice little burble.  Just too big, heavy, and shiny for me.

I've always enjoyed the sound of the stock, and didn't really get why some folks seemed to think it was anemic, but I'm intrigued by your description of the baffle sound like a Chevy V8.  I have to agree that the stock are way too shiny for my tastes. 

Rocker and Loftness, Thanks for your observations vs. the stock.  Or maybe I shouldn't be thanking you.  I now may have to spring for a set of Agostinis!
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on September 26, 2015, 09:35:47 PM
Put about 300 miles on the V7 Special today.  Left home about 0730 on a beautiful, clear 60-degree fall morning, and two hours later I was checking in over in Tulsa at Kinetic Playground, the service provider for Brookside Motorcycle Company, the Tulsa Guzzi/Aprilia/Triumph dealership.

I had emailed Donny at Kinetic, letting him know I thought I needed the new map, 352BV738.  His tech rolled my bike right in upon my arrival and got to work.  Downloaded the updated map and went through the EFI, then road tested it.  Charge was 1/2 hour labor, a bargain considering the good service.

(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015-August-8-V7-Special/i-pJg3Z9W/2/M/20150926_101754-M.jpg)

After they were done with the service, I walked across the street and looked around at the new Triumphs and Guzzis on the floor at Brookside.  They have a pretty good inventory.  Mostly new bikes, but there is a black/silver GRiSO that qualifies for the $2,000 customer cash, if anybody is looking for one.

They had a V7 Special II, which I took the time to sit on.  Definitely has more relaxed seating.  Not huge, but noticeable reduction in knee angle.  I shifted through the transmission N-1-2-N.  Interesting.  The new transmission feels "normal"  (non-Guzzi normal).  It's got a stop at the bottom of 1st, and the throws are short and crisp, compared to the long "sliding" feeling of the 5-speed that I have.  The red tank and white/silver stripes look great.  As I've mentioned before, I'd really like to see a set of white Stone fenders on one of these new V7 Special II bikes.

(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015-August-8-V7-Special/i-LnztddC/1/M/20150926_100846-M.jpg)

The had an Audace and an Eldorado.  The Audace handlebars don't have enough pullback.  They put your wrists and elbow in a funny position.  Pegs seemed comfortable.  The bike "feels" porky.  Something about the matte paint makes the fuel tank look huge.  Then, I sat on the Eldo, and it just seemed "right".  I'd probably like the Custom's lower bars, but the seat and boards are really nice, and the glossy black paint looks a lot better on the bike, IMHO.  I want one!  Maybe in a couple years.  We'll see. 

(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015-August-8-V7-Special/i-nSpKPGk/1/M/20150926_100804-M.jpg)

On the ride over to Tulsa, I used US-412 the whole way, including the 75 mph Cherokee Turnpike.  Once out of F'ville, it was mostly 70 mph to 90 mph divided 4-lane.  The bike handled it flawlessly, save for a slightly annoying high frequency vibration between 4900 and 5100 rpm.  It was glass smooth at 4400-4600 rpm, and smoothed out again at 5400.  This is the fasted and longest I've ridden this bike, and I must say there is no reason why a V7 can't tour.  When I fueled up in Tulsa, the math came out to 51 mpg.  Not bad, considering the revs I was turning on the way over.

Donny did confirm that the old map was in my bike and he loaded the new one when they went through the EFI.  I noticed immediately that the off-idle performance was dramatically improved.  The bike has noticeably more torque at 1500 rpm with the new tune.  This means much less clutch slipping, happier walking speed clutch out parking lot maneuvers, and much easier riding in stop-and-go traffic !!!  Woo, Hoo !!! 

The bike also feels a little "looser", as in a little more willing to rev through 4000 rpm while shifting through the gears while accellerating away from stops.  I did not check the fuel economy, yet, for the ride home.  It will be interesting to see if there is any noticeable difference.  I'll check cold starts and cold performance in a day, or two.  But, I have no reason to believe it's not dramatically better.

The seat.  For me, it's a 250 mile seat.  And, that's not bad for a stocker.  I purposely left the AirHawk at home for the ride, in order to test the factory seat.  No problems on the 120 miles over to the dealer.  The ride home was a little longer, and by 150 miles, my butt was wanting a break.  I did have jeans on, and that's never good on a long ride, but overall I was pretty happy with the seat.  I still think it needs something better for long rides, though.

On the way home, I made a stop at the local BMW dealer and bought 4 liters of some 10w60 BMW synth oil that they have been stocking.  Now, I'm ready to torque the heads, set the valves, and change fluids!

Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: mwrenn on September 26, 2015, 11:25:51 PM
Funny, I missed you by a day.  Bought a V7R from Paul at Brookside on Friday.  He had a cool little V7 Scrambler out front, with white fenders...lol!  Thanks for this posting this thread...
Cheers!
(http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af201/mwrenn/Mobile%20Uploads/20150925_130758_zpsvwkzgtku.jpg) (http://s1008.photobucket.com/user/mwrenn/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20150925_130758_zpsvwkzgtku.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on September 26, 2015, 11:37:27 PM
Yeah, the "Brookside Scrambler" was out there on display today.

Looks like it started as a leftover '13/'14 Stone in white.  They added yellow, trimmed the fenders, and added the new tail light.

Not bad looking.  Still needs an exhaust and some other "scrambler bits".

(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015-August-8-V7-Special/i-WbnP6Zc/0/L/20150926_101155-L.jpg)
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Threa
Post by: Rox on September 27, 2015, 03:53:46 AM
Im fancying the idea of getting a v7 and doing a "Lemansish" theme with it . Just don't want to get into another 40-50hp bike and dropping $3k into the motor for 20hp. Went through that nightmare with a Thruxton.  :weiner:  But still like them though. A bit. Only if I could fit a v11 moter in that frame.... :bike-037:

Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: kingoffleece on September 27, 2015, 05:31:58 AM
Try Pat Mitchell at Astech Seats for a rebuild of your stock seat.  A very nice improvement.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Threa
Post by: rocker59 on September 27, 2015, 11:35:11 AM
Im fancying the idea of getting a v7 and doing a "Lemansish" theme with it . Just don't want to get into another 40-50hp bike and dropping $3k into the motor for 20hp. Went through that nightmare with a Thruxton.  :weiner:  But still like them though. A bit. Only if I could fit a v11 moter in that frame.... :bike-037:

Welcome to the forum.

With the V7 series, $5000 will get you about 10bhp.  Maybe 15bhp.  Don't buy one if cheap horsepower is a top priority for you.  It will only lead to disappointment.

Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on October 05, 2015, 08:45:32 PM
Re-torqued the heads and set the valves last night.  Right-side intake and left-side exhaust were tight.  Almost no clearance.  Reset to spec and reassembled.  Easy-Peasy.

This evening, I removed the main fuse, then replaced it.  Then per recent recommendations, I let the bike idle for 15-minutes without touching the throttle, to allow the trim to reset.

Result?  Smoothest idle since buying the bike in August.  And, during the shake-down road-test tonight, the bike continues to run great on the new map downloaded by Kinetic last week.

 :bike-037:
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on October 05, 2015, 09:59:44 PM
Vibration:

Something I didn't notice early during break-in, because I was keeping the revs below 4,000 rpm, but the V7 Special has a bit of vibration that I don't remember in my 2010 V7 Classic.

It's a buzzy, high frequency vibration that grows with RPM, and peaks around 5,000 rpm.  Adding the Agostini's crash bar really magnified the vibration at 5,000 rpm.  The vibes are especially noticeable in the footpegs.  Left one is the worst.

So, I removed the Agostini's crash bar, and the vibes went down to a tolerable level.  A little annoying, but tolerable.

Folks that don't spend much time at 80 mph might not ever notice the vibes, but I see 75-80 mph on my daily commute.  And, if I want to go to Tulsa, most of the ride is 75-80 mph expressway.

Anyone have any thoughts, input, or advice on the buzzy vibration ??
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on October 05, 2015, 10:47:19 PM
Yeah.  It's not going back on.  Funny how it magnified the vibes.

My 2010 had a Breva 750 crashbar and I don't remember this buzzy vibration.

Does your 1TB V7 have the vibes I'm describing ?
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on October 05, 2015, 10:51:20 PM
Re-torqued the heads and set the valves last night.  Right-side intake and left-side exhaust were tight.  Almost no clearance.  Reset to spec and reassembled.  Easy-Peasy.
 

Sitting here wondering if the tight left-hand exhaust valve contributed to the discoloration on the header that is much more noticeable than it is on the right?  Hmmm...
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: mwrenn on October 05, 2015, 11:02:16 PM
My V7II with the six speed is a lot smoother than my 2010 V7C.  A very noticeable difference.
http://www.guzzitech.com/forums/threads/v7-oem-crash-bar-vibration-issue.14512/
This guy had his frame crack from crashbar vibration...
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on October 05, 2015, 11:18:51 PM
Did you check the clearance before you re-torqued the heads?  Re-torquing them tightens everything up.

Didn't slide a feeler in there, but there was just a little clearance.  A couple thou, maybe.  After torquing, virtually nothing.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Penderic on October 06, 2015, 12:17:12 AM
My right side crash bar would vibrate a lot, the left side very little. I took them off for now.

(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic047/crash%20bars_zpsepmf1ibd.jpg)

Similiarly, the left side handlebar seems to vibrate more than the right side, though it could just be the throttle tube absorbing or masking it. Left thumb is not too happy.


Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Cam3512 on October 06, 2015, 04:17:57 AM
I never noticed the vibes in the bars or pegs.  After reading about the crashbar vibrations, I reached down at speed and definitely felt it in the crashbars at certain RPMS.  I have the one piece Agostinis, but it doesn't affect my ride.  Feel better having them on there. 

The V7 headers seem to be affected by bluing more than other bikes, and usually in a funky spotty pattern that extends down the entire header.   Usually bluing doesn't bother me.  I had mine ceramic coated black last winter.  Goes well with the "less shiney" look I'm going for on my bike.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: biking sailor on October 06, 2015, 06:07:23 AM
Sitting here wondering if the tight left-hand exhaust valve contributed to the discoloration on the header that is much more noticeable than it is on the right?  Hmmm...

My Thruxton has the right header much more blue than the left, which is more gold color.  I have cleaned them with some stuff I bought at Cyclegear, and they came right back to original color, gold left and blue right, after a long ride.  Plugs look the same both sides and measured heat of the header tubes right after a high speed run and within a couple degrees of each other.  I just chalked it up to variation in the tubes and chrome characteristics.  Trying not to let it bother me.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Kev m on October 06, 2015, 09:45:59 AM
Vibration.

Hmmm, I can't give you a good answer.

I DON'T RECALL noticing a particular spot of excessive vibration.

But I DON'T have engine guards per se, I've got some frame sliders mounted to the downtubes where the frame crabs.

I will say that during the first few thousand miles I always felt like the motor was tight and really didn't enjoy highway. Maybe THAT included some vibration, but if so it was very low frequency.

At 10k miles it feels like a different bike, though maybe not as "loose" as Jay's V7C felt when we compared them side-by-side almost 3 years ago.

Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: jas67 on October 06, 2015, 09:32:24 PM
.... the left side handlebar seems to vibrate more than the right side, though it could just be the throttle tube absorbing or masking it. Left thumb is not too happy.

I have two different airheads that have a lot more vibration in the left mirror than the right.    I think that the additional weight of the controls on the right side damp the vibration.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Yukonica on October 06, 2015, 11:48:12 PM
rocker59, your front brake mod's are of interest. You changed the disk, the lines (I assume), the callipers, and the pads. Is this a 'stopee' upgrade or just progressive feel? Somewhere back in the thread you said you felt stock brakes weren't bad. My experience 'varies' by at least three fingers.
This would be the last upgrade to the machine for me... there really isn't terribly much more I haven't touched.
I'm not going as far as replacing the front end for the sake of double disks but I like good stuff. Lead me down that road.
For the sake of clarity: I think you have K forks and I know I have M's if it makes any difference.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on October 12, 2015, 12:53:03 PM
rocker59, your front brake mod's are of interest. You changed the disk, the lines (I assume), the callipers, and the pads. Is this a 'stopee' upgrade or just progressive feel? Somewhere back in the thread you said you felt stock brakes weren't bad. My experience 'varies' by at least three fingers.
This would be the last upgrade to the machine for me... there really isn't terribly much more I haven't touched.
I'm not going as far as replacing the front end for the sake of double disks but I like good stuff. Lead me down that road.
For the sake of clarity: I think you have K forks and I know I have M's if it makes any difference.

Haven't done it, yet, but will replace the rotor with a lighter/thicker Brembo unit.  Also would like to switch the caliper to the 4-pad type, for better feel.  Shouldn't have to replace the line, which is already a nice braided unit.  I doubt it will be stoppie territory, but will be an improvement over stock.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on October 12, 2015, 12:56:49 PM
Priorities, priorities!?!?!  Right at 300 miles clocked on the V7 Special during my Saturday ride down to the Okie campout, and back home.  More "touring" than "sport" on this ride, as probably only 15% of the miles were what I'd call "curvy".

Made it all the way around my loop to Boles Arkansas before fueling at 190 miles.  3.9 gallons consumed, so 48 mpg.  That tank was 91 octane non-ethanol.  The tank before was 91 octane with ethanol.  Guess what?  The 91 E10 tank was 49 mpg.  Best tank, so far, has been on 89 octane E10.  That tank returned about 51 mpg.  So, economy wise, the bike doesn't seem to care too much what you feed it.

I noticed on this ride that the bike was feeling cramped by the end of the day.  Short peg to seat distance.  And, my loose-fitting Olympia 1pc suit really caught a lot of wind, adding to the fatigue.

The suspension is definitely log wagon territory, and the seat doesn't do many favors.  I'd like to upgrade several things on the bike, but I think suspension has been moved to the top.  So, later this fall/winter, I'll make the final decisions and fork out the $$$$.

My Saturday Ride:  Google Map Link (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Fayetteville,+AR/Talimena+State+Park,+U.S.+271,+Talihina,+OK/Talimena+Scenic+Dr,+Talimena+Scenic+Drive,+Hodgen,+OK/Boles,+AR/Fayetteville,+AR/@35.6723468,-96.2199512,7z/data=!4m37!4m36!1m5!1m1!1s0x87c96f7b2fb53e9d:0x4519f069fcb4c8cf!2m2!1d-94.1574263!2d36.0625795!1m5!1m1!1s0x87ca98eb2fc8320f:0x43dca6038d13c868!2m2!1d-94.9526227!2d34.7860699!1m10!1m1!1s0x87cac1615ac3be63:0x45569d1136b915f7!2m2!1d-94.6492565!2d34.7126188!3m4!1m2!1d-94.5610278!2d34.687149!3s0x87cadb5534c589c1:0xfac5ec615f0668cc!1m5!1m1!1s0x87cb403df7d918fb:0x4111a997383b49cb!2m2!1d-94.0490959!2d34.7795459!1m5!1m1!1s0x87c96f7b2fb53e9d:0x4519f069fcb4c8cf!2m2!1d-94.1574263!2d36.0625795!3e0)
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: sincolita on October 14, 2015, 07:47:12 PM
The suspension is definitely log wagon territory, and the seat doesn't do many favors.  I'd like to upgrade several things on the bike, but I think suspension has been moved to the top.  So, later this fall/winter, I'll make the final decisions and fork out the $$$$.

Ugh. Yes. I've put 1,800 miles on my 2015 Stone and I keep waiting for the suspension to soften, but the lumpy streets of Philly are killing me. My seat is the OEM Low Gel Seat, which is not very comfortable but it's my only option since my feet barely touch the ground with the stock seat, so I think a suspension upgrade is in my future too. I'm interested to see what you decide on.

This is a great thread. Thanks for all the info and pics.

Kim
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: oldbike54 on October 14, 2015, 08:09:40 PM
Priorities, priorities!?!?!  Right at 300 miles clocked on the V7 Special during my Saturday ride down to the Okie campout, and back home.  More "touring" than "sport" on this ride, as probably only 15% of the miles were what I'd call "curvy".

Made it all the way around my loop to Boles Arkansas before fueling at 190 miles.  3.9 gallons consumed, so 48 mpg.  That tank was 91 octane non-ethanol.  The tank before was 91 octane with ethanol.  Guess what?  The 91 E10 tank was 49 mpg.  Best tank, so far, has been on 89 octane E10.  That tank returned about 51 mpg.  So, economy wise, the bike doesn't seem to care too much what you feed it.

I noticed on this ride that the bike was feeling cramped by the end of the day.  Short peg to seat distance.  And, my loose-fitting Olympia 1pc suit really caught a lot of wind, adding to the fatigue.

The suspension is definitely log wagon territory, and the seat doesn't do many favors.  I'd like to upgrade several things on the bike, but I think suspension has been moved to the top.  So, later this fall/winter, I'll make the final decisions and fork out the $$$$.

My Saturday Ride:  Google Map Link (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Fayetteville,+AR/Talimena+State+Park,+U.S.+271,+Talihina,+OK/Talimena+Scenic+Dr,+Talimena+Scenic+Drive,+Hodgen,+OK/Boles,+AR/Fayetteville,+AR/@35.6723468,-96.2199512,7z/data=!4m37!4m36!1m5!1m1!1s0x87c96f7b2fb53e9d:0x4519f069fcb4c8cf!2m2!1d-94.1574263!2d36.0625795!1m5!1m1!1s0x87ca98eb2fc8320f:0x43dca6038d13c868!2m2!1d-94.9526227!2d34.7860699!1m10!1m1!1s0x87cac1615ac3be63:0x45569d1136b915f7!2m2!1d-94.6492565!2d34.7126188!3m4!1m2!1d-94.5610278!2d34.687149!3s0x87cadb5534c589c1:0xfac5ec615f0668cc!1m5!1m1!1s0x87cb403df7d918fb:0x4111a997383b49cb!2m2!1d-94.0490959!2d34.7795459!1m5!1m1!1s0x87c96f7b2fb53e9d:0x4519f069fcb4c8cf!2m2!1d-94.1574263!2d36.0625795!3e0)

 The map doesn't even begin to show how curvy the Talimina Drive is .

  Dusty
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Kev m on October 14, 2015, 09:06:42 PM
Ugh. Yes. I've put 1,800 miles on my 2015 Stone and I keep waiting for the suspension to soften, but the lumpy streets of Philly are killing me. My seat is the OEM Low Gel Seat, which is not very comfortable but it's my only option since my feet barely touch the ground with the stock seat, so I think a suspension upgrade is in my future too. I'm interested to see what you decide on.

This is a great thread. Thanks for all the info and pics.

Kim

I suspect you're too light for that suspension.

It worked on for me, but I think I'm probably double your size.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: oldbike54 on October 14, 2015, 09:24:18 PM
I suspect you're too light for that suspension.

It worked on for me, but I think I'm probably double your size.

 Yeah , but Rocker is about your size  :evil:

  Dusty
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Kev m on October 14, 2015, 09:26:45 PM
Yeah , but Rocker is about your size  :evil:

  Dusty

Yeah, but he's just a pansy... :evil:
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: oldbike54 on October 14, 2015, 09:30:59 PM
Yeah, but he's just a pansy... :evil:

 UH OH  :boxing: Red is however one tough cookie , and she complained  :laugh:

  Dusty
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: paulbr on October 15, 2015, 03:10:53 AM
Just do it. Changing the shocks is easy and can be relatively cheap. Is there anyone here who's replaced them and not wished they did it earlier? I think it even makes the seat feel better!
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on October 15, 2015, 07:54:28 AM
The map doesn't even begin to show how curvy the Talimina Drive is .

  Dusty

50 miles of fun.  But you do have to zoom in a bit to see the curves.

Talimena Scenic Drive (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Talimena+State+Park,+U.S.+271,+Talihina,+OK/Talimena+Scenic+Dr,+Talimena+Scenic+Drive,+Hodgen,+OK/Queen+Wilhelmina+Inn,+Mena,+AR+71953/Mena,+AR/@34.7271808,-95.0006971,10z/data=!4m26!4m25!1m5!1m1!1s0x87ca98eb2fc8320f:0x43dca6038d13c868!2m2!1d-94.9526227!2d34.7860699!1m5!1m1!1s0x87cac1615ac3be63:0x45569d1136b915f7!2m2!1d-94.6492565!2d34.7126188!1m5!1m1!1s0x87cb2730b17cd341:0x403397d452c1b79f!2m2!1d-94.370614!2d34.684772!1m5!1m1!1s0x87cb2fc1cae0651f:0x5e1e09ec52e959cd!2m2!1d-94.2396554!2d34.5862171!3e0)
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on October 15, 2015, 07:55:31 AM
Just do it. Changing the shocks is easy and can be relatively cheap. Is there anyone here who's replaced them and not wished they did it earlier? I think it even makes the seat feel better!

I don't really like "cheap", but will upgrade the shocks sometime this fall.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Kev m on October 15, 2015, 08:19:33 AM
Just do it. Changing the shocks is easy and can be relatively cheap. Is there anyone here who's replaced them and not wished they did it earlier? I think it even makes the seat feel better!

<Kev raises his hand>

I get around corners, but I'm no ricky-racer.

I'm big enough (230#ish) that the stock suspension might have still be on the harsh SIDE of things, but it wasn't horrible. It was way better than say a stock Sportster suspension. It was better even than the stock Jackal suspension.

Now I DID replace the Jackal suspension (a couple of times) and eventually put some YSS's on and said "shyte, why didn't I do that sooner".

And I DID buy a set of VERY LIGHTLY used YSS's for the Stone that were set-up originally for a guy maybe only 20# heavier than me.

I've adjusted them quite a bit - softer and heavier, played with damping, and ya know what, I'm sure they're better, but I'm not sitting here wondering why I didn't do it sooner.

Nope.

So yeah, there's at least someone.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: paulbr on October 15, 2015, 09:11:25 AM
<Kev raises his hand>
So yeah, there's at least someone.

Always got to be someone  :laugh:
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: sincolita on October 15, 2015, 09:32:08 AM
I suspect you're too light for that suspension.

It worked on for me, but I think I'm probably double your size.

I suspect you're correct. I'm under 120 in all my gear. Fortunately, other than the sub-par suspension, I adore the bike, so making it perfect (for me) is all part of the relationship. I'll spend the winter gathering info/advice and tweaking the stock suspension as much as possible, then upgrade it next year.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on October 15, 2015, 09:37:11 AM
I suspect you're correct. I'm under 120 in all my gear. Fortunately, other than the sub-par suspension, I adore the bike, so making it perfect (for me) is all part of the relationship. I'll spend the winter gathering info/advice and tweaking the stock suspension as much as possible, then upgrade it next year.

I'm 240 lbs !!! 

My biggest complaint with the forks is the stiction in the first 1/4" of travel.  And, the compression damping seems a little harsh.

Shocks just feel all out of whack. 
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Lannis on October 15, 2015, 09:43:09 AM
I'm 240 lbs !!! 

Not often you get to say "I'm TWICE the man you are!", well, in a sense, since you're "concolita" ...
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: oldbike54 on October 15, 2015, 09:45:01 AM
Not often you get to say "I'm TWICE the man you are!", well, in a sense, since you're "concolita" ...

 Uh , let's hope not  :laugh:

  Dusty
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Kev m on October 15, 2015, 09:47:28 AM
Always got to be someone  :laugh:

Guilty...  :embarassed: :boozing:
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on October 15, 2015, 09:49:35 AM
Not often you get to say "I'm TWICE the man you are!", well, in a sense, since you're "concolita" ...

sincolita is a Mrs., by the way...
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: sincolita on October 15, 2015, 10:31:13 AM
I'm 240 lbs !!! 

My biggest complaint with the forks is the stiction in the first 1/4" of travel.  And, the compression damping seems a little harsh.

Shocks just feel all out of whack.

Hm. So I guess that means what works for you -- and for most healthy adult males -- won't necessarily work for me due to the size discrepancy. I hadn't considered that. Damn.

The discomfort in the ride is only part of the problem for me. I also feel like I'm harming the bike when traveling over terrible roads. My Ninja's suspension was so harsh I stood on the pegs about half the time just so I wouldn't lose a few teeth when the roads got bad, so I'm used to a rough ride, but I feel like the Ninja was made to withstand abuse (however unwittingly); the V7 is a finer machine that requires more care and respect. Since I plan to keep the V7 forever, it's really important to me that the bike doesn't rattle apart. Smoother travel while remaining seated is a happy consequence of the upgrade.

I was thinking of asking Todd at GuzziTech what he recommends for a rider my size on this bike since he's got a whole thread dedicated to research and advice on this. There are so many options, it's overwhelming. I don't think I'd feel comfortable doing the work myself (limited tools/space/expertise) so I'll buy the parts and pay someone to do it, and want to make the right choice the first time.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on October 15, 2015, 11:00:01 AM

What I meant to infer is that at 240 lbs, I think the V7 rides like a log wagon.  It must be real rough on someone half my weight !

I'm sure it's easily fixable for you with pieces which have adjustable rebound damping and lighter springs.

Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Kev m on October 15, 2015, 11:04:22 AM
What I meant to infer is that at 240 lbs, I think the V7 rides like a log wagon.  It must be real rough on someone half my weight !

I just thought of it as uh, FIRM...
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: sincolita on October 15, 2015, 11:10:21 AM
What I meant to infer is that at 240 lbs, I think the V7 rides like a log wagon.  It must be real rough on someone half my weight !
It is. Murderously rough. I thought I was just being a wuss. Thank you for the vindication.

I'm sure it's easily fixable for you with pieces which have adjustable rebound damping and lighter springs.
Thank goodness!
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: mjptexas on October 15, 2015, 11:54:19 AM
My biggest complaint with the forks is the stiction in the first 1/4" of travel.  And, the compression damping seems a little harsh.

Shocks just feel all out of whack.

Yep, in my experience every 'built to price point' motorcycle I've ever owned needed suspension work, both front and back. 

I've ridden the V7s a couple of times and have been trying to figure out why they appeal to me.  The other day it finally hit me - the V7 is very much like the Honda CB550 I owned back last century.  About the same size (the Honda is a little heavier), same level of performance (HP & 1/4 mile performance), and, not spectacular in any specific area but competent across many, and, just enough character to keep one engaged.  I loved that Honda, even rode it on a 1,500 mile trip with full camping gear tied on the back.  Unfortunately I had to sell it to get the money to add to the down payment on my first house. 

I've been looking at the special deals on the V7s at AF1 and have been telling myself "Don't do it" (although I MAY be able to squeeze one more into the garage).
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Lannis on October 15, 2015, 12:21:51 PM
sincolita is a Mrs., by the way...

I know that.   It (and the source of her screen name) is part of the joke .... "con-" is the opposite of "sin-"

Lannis
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: sincolita on October 15, 2015, 12:31:31 PM
.... "con-" is the opposite of "sin-"

Yep. If I had a more ample rump, the lousy suspension wouldn't be so hard on the rest of me.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Lannis on October 15, 2015, 12:37:45 PM
Yep. If I had a more ample rump, the lousy suspension wouldn't be so hard on the rest of me.  :laugh:

That's really MORE data than I need ...  :laugh:

There's a lot of advantages in this world to being a big guy, and a few disadvantages.

One of the biggest areas of disadvantage is in the area of motorcycling.    When you're 260 - 300 pounds or so fully geared up, you have to be more careful about your choice of bike, suspension, and tires than a smaller person.   There's whole classes of motorcycles that are sub-optimum for me, that would be perfect for a person that grossed up in the flyweight class.

If I were half the size I am, I would be on a 250 - 500cc bike in a second, getting fantastic gas mileage, great tire mileage, a lighter, cheaper motorcycle, and still be able to run with any reasonable partner on a road ride anywhere ...

But alas, it is not to be.  Not a big issue, but still there ....

Lannis
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: sincolita on October 15, 2015, 01:11:03 PM
That's really MORE data than I need ...  :laugh:

There's a lot of advantages in this world to being a big guy, and a few disadvantages.

One of the biggest areas of disadvantage is in the area of motorcycling.    When you're 260 - 300 pounds or so fully geared up, you have to be more careful about your choice of bike, suspension, and tires than a smaller person.   There's whole classes of motorcycles that are sub-optimum for me, that would be perfect for a person that grossed up in the flyweight class.

If I were half the size I am, I would be on a 250 - 500cc bike in a second, getting fantastic gas mileage, great tire mileage, a lighter, cheaper motorcycle, and still be able to run with any reasonable partner on a road ride anywhere ...

But alas, it is not to be.  Not a big issue, but still there ....

Lannis

Thanks. I never considered it from that perspective, but it's true. When fellow riders remarked on the 'miraculous' speed, endurance and fuel efficiency of my little Ninja and how it did so well on long rides in a pack of much bigger bikes, my response was usually along the lines of, "Really? Look at me. This bike doesn't have to work very hard to perform well with only me on it."

I'll have to start comparing my fuel mileage on the V7 to the numbers I've seen here on WG. I'll never get a knee down in a corner or be an expert wrench, but I bet I can beat all you guys in spending the least money on gas and tires.  :cool:
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: oldbike54 on October 15, 2015, 01:18:40 PM
Thanks. I never considered it from that perspective, but it's true. When fellow riders remarked on the 'miraculous' speed, endurance and fuel efficiency of my little Ninja and how it did so well on long rides in a pack of much bigger bikes, my response was usually along the lines of, "Really? Look at me. This bike doesn't have to work very hard to perform well with only me on it."

I'll have to start comparing my fuel mileage on the V7 to the numbers I've seen here on WG. I'll never get a knee down in a corner or be an expert wrench, but I bet I can beat all you guys in spending the least money on gas and tires.  :cool:

 There is a reason why all pro level MC road racers and flat trackers are about Miss Sincolita's size  :laugh:

  Dusty
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on October 15, 2015, 01:42:15 PM
I just thought of it as uh, FIRM...

Yes, and I'm probably using just a little Southern Hyperbole.

 :bike-037:
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Rotten Ralph on October 15, 2015, 02:21:55 PM
Just do it. Changing the shocks is easy and can be relatively cheap. Is there anyone here who's replaced them and not wished they did it earlier? I think it even makes the seat feel better!


My IKONs are a definite improvement.......b ut read my thread on removing V7 shocks. On some particular bikes it ain't that easy.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Kev m on October 15, 2015, 02:55:00 PM
Thanks. I never considered it from that perspective, but it's true. When fellow riders remarked on the 'miraculous' speed, endurance and fuel efficiency of my little Ninja and how it did so well on long rides in a pack of much bigger bikes, my response was usually along the lines of, "Really? Look at me. This bike doesn't have to work very hard to perform well with only me on it."

I'll have to start comparing my fuel mileage on the V7 to the numbers I've seen here on WG. I'll never get a knee down in a corner or be an expert wrench, but I bet I can beat all you guys in spending the least money on gas and tires.  :cool:

Jenn and I went out for a ride on Monday... I was already at 220 miles on the V7, so I figured it would be smart to stop and gas up.

I filled up, calculated and got 49 mpg... not bad.

Jenn filled up, I calculated and got 58 mpg... bitch I told her, she just laughed.

Now granted, she's also shall we say more uh conservative with the throttle and I suppose that helps too, but MOSTLY I think it's the 100# less weight the Duc has to carry with her and the smaller more aerodynamic profile she makes on it.

 :bike-037:
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Lannis on October 15, 2015, 03:14:38 PM
I'll never get a knee down in a corner or be an expert wrench, but I bet I can beat all you guys in spending the least money on gas and tires.  :cool:

And "not getting a knee down in a corner" is a GOOD thing on the street.   On the track, that's great stuff and the more you can hang it out the better, but on most streets, there aren't many places you can do that safely; diesel, antifreeze, pea gravel, hidden potholes, cars on the wrong side of the road, dogs jumping out of ditches ..... 

I don't try to keep up with people that are riding "too fast" in my opinion.    They're typically going faster than me NOT because they have skills in bike handling that I don't have, nor absolute bike performance issues, but that they are willing to take track-day-type risks on the public roads that I'm not willing to take.   I recognize that taking those risks doesn't make them a "Better" rider than me in any sense that I can recognize, and so my ego stays where it should, and I'll work on making the next half-million-miles as fun and satisfying and as wreck-free as the first half-million .... !

Lannis
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: sincolita on October 15, 2015, 03:18:26 PM
Jenn and I went out for a ride on Monday... I was already at 220 miles on the V7, so I figured it would be smart to stop and gas up.

I filled up, calculated and got 49 mpg... not bad.

Jenn filled up, I calculated and got 58 mpg... bitch I told her, she just laughed.

Now granted, she's also shall we say more uh conservative with the throttle and I suppose that helps too, but MOSTLY I think it's the 100# less weight the Duc has to carry with her and the smaller more aerodynamic profile she makes on it.

 :bike-037:

Woo-hoo! Go Jenn! My hubby & I are looking forward to riding with you two.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Lannis on October 15, 2015, 03:28:47 PM

...... and the smaller more aerodynamic profile she makes on it.


Aerodynamics!  So THAT'S why they're shaped like that ....  :laugh:   

Lannis
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Kev m on October 15, 2015, 03:34:49 PM
Woo-hoo! Go Jenn! My hubby & I are looking forward to riding with you two.  :thumb:

Back at you two.

Actually, we want to pick your brain about the Wharton forest. We've explored it a little in our Jeep GC, but I just ordered a Wrangler (JKU) so we're looking forward to seeing more of it.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: sincolita on October 15, 2015, 04:04:31 PM
Back at you two.

Actually, we want to pick your brain about the Wharton forest. We've explored it a little in our Jeep GC, but I just ordered a Wrangler (JKU) so we're looking forward to seeing more of it.  :thumb:

Congratulations! While two wheels on blacktop is my preference, getting 'lost' in the pines in a Wrangler is a very close second. The best advice I can give you is to bring a well-charged smart phone with Google Maps. As remote as it seems when you're out there seemingly in the middle of nowhere, Google Maps has about 70 percent of the trails mapped and the cell towers are close enough that you rarely lose service, so it's nearly impossible to actually get lost. Oh, and unless it's winter, bring bug repellent.  :wink:

And don't forget to visit Batsto Village: http://www.batstovillage.org/
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: mjptexas on October 15, 2015, 08:24:04 PM
...I filled up, calculated and got 49 mpg... not bad.

Jenn filled up, I calculated and got 58 mpg... bitch I told her, she just laughed..

Yep.  No one believes the mileage a Ducati delivers.  My 821 does 47 - 52 mpg on the road, and it is not being ridden gently.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Kev m on October 16, 2015, 07:36:50 AM
Congratulations! While two wheels on blacktop is my preference, getting 'lost' in the pines in a Wrangler is a very close second. The best advice I can give you is to bring a well-charged smart phone with Google Maps. As remote as it seems when you're out there seemingly in the middle of nowhere, Google Maps has about 70 percent of the trails mapped and the cell towers are close enough that you rarely lose service, so it's nearly impossible to actually get lost. Oh, and unless it's winter, bring bug repellent.  :wink:

And don't forget to visit Batsto Village: http://www.batstovillage.org/

Yeah we've run through the forest on some of the major dirt "roads" in the Grand Cherokee and I've been pleasantly surprised how much the Jeep's Nav system (Garmin?) has mapped. But I keep looking at a lot of the smaller side trails (many of which are mapped too) and thinking about where they might lead.

I keep a phone charger in the Jeep now and will likely do so with the wrangler so we can get a second view.

Batsto is one of the first places I found when we moved here a year ago. It (and the somewhat twisty side road the park entrance is off of) is part of two of my short (50) and long (100) mile loops when I get an hour or two to sneak away from the kids.  :thumb:


Yep.  No one believes the mileage a Ducati delivers.  My 821 does 47 - 52 mpg on the road, and it is not being ridden gently.


It does well with ME on it too, but nothing near Jenn's numbers. When I ride the Duc the mileage numbers are much closer to (the same as?) me on the V7 - high 40's to low 50's.

Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: jas67 on October 18, 2015, 05:40:48 PM
Jenn and I went out for a ride on Monday... I was already at 220 miles on the V7, so I figured it would be smart to stop and gas up.

I filled up, calculated and got 49 mpg... not bad.

Jenn filled up, I calculated and got 58 mpg... bitch I told her, she just laughed.

Now granted, she's also shall we say more uh conservative with the throttle and I suppose that helps too, but MOSTLY I think it's the 100# less weight the Duc has to carry with her and the smaller more aerodynamic profile she makes on it.

 :bike-037:

Funny, the best I've ever gotten with my M796 is 50 MPG.    I typically get 46 MPG.    Aside from me being a good bit heavier then Jenn, I think my throttle hand is also a bit heavier  :grin:

Sometime you'll are out, she'll have to ride it so we can see what kind of MPG that it is really capable of.

Now, back to Sincolita's harsh suspension.   You should definitely re-spring the for with lighter, progressive springs, and get quality (IKON, YSS, Progressive) shocks, also with springs designed for your lighter weight.    I think you'll find that the bike will ride a whole lot better over the bumps.

Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Kev m on October 18, 2015, 05:52:53 PM
This makes me want to scream.  Seriously.  No one, NO ONE, uses progressive springs.  And as far as the shocks go, you must've come off a Bonneville.  In fact, the whole statement screams of Bonnevillian influences.  We should start another thread for this and let Mike talk about his bike.

Mike can break this off if he wants. But Jay started riding a few years ago. In that time he's already had something like 30-40 bikes (though maybe half of them were projects or flippers).

NONE OF THEM (AFAIK) were Triumphs.

Mostly BMW, Guzzi, and Honda with new Ducati in the mix.

As for the shocks mentioned IIRC Harper's carries Progressives, Guzzitech carries (or carried YSS), and IKONs have been mentioned here not infrequently.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: jas67 on October 18, 2015, 05:59:00 PM
This makes me want to scream.  Seriously.  No one, NO ONE, uses progressive springs.  And as far as the shocks go, you must've come off a Bonneville.  In fact, the whole statement screams of Bonnevillian influences.  We should start another thread for this and let Mike talk about his bike.

I merely suggested the progressive springs as they would soak up the bumps nicely.

I am certainly no expert on suspensions, but, at the very least, she needs lighter springs.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: oldbike54 on October 18, 2015, 10:10:13 PM
 WTH just happened here  :huh:

  Dusty
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on October 18, 2015, 10:18:31 PM
I tried to save your thread Mike, but, well, it's lost now.

No worries.  I may split the off tomorrow, when I have time and access to a desktop.

Been a busy weekend with limited computer access.

Kicked some ass with my new Tennessee Walking Horse at the last horse show of the season in my area.

(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Animals/Shock-Tart/i-3gSMgHD/0/M/DSCN5473-M.jpg)
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: oldbike54 on October 18, 2015, 10:24:39 PM
"Keep the moderator confused" is my mantra.  I appear to have been successful.

  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I may not be quite as difficult as Rocker to confuse , but eventually ...

  Dusty

 Edit , congrats Mike  :thumb:

  Dusty
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on October 19, 2015, 08:28:07 AM
Hmmm...  It doesn't look like the "Split Topic" option is available anymore.

Must've gone away with the upgrade.  I guess I haven't noticed, because I have so rarely used it.

Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Kev m on October 19, 2015, 08:30:09 AM
We could start a new topic, each block and copy our own posts into it and delete them from here if you want. No biggie.

Or this is some sort of karmic retribution for all your merged threadfests....some of them are impossible to navigate now.  :tongue:
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on October 19, 2015, 08:35:32 AM
We could start a new topic, each block and copy our own posts into it and delete them from here if you want. No biggie.

Or this is some sort of karmic retribution for all your merged threadfests....some of them are impossible to navigate now.  :tongue:

Yeah.  I think it's the latter!   :boozing:
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: tiger_one on October 19, 2015, 08:54:43 AM
The Super Tenere came with progressive springs in the forks in 2012, just saying.  LOL   I am not a fan of progressive but they may be a crutch till you can get the proper weight/rate springs for your weight/type of riding.

Congrads on the horse.   :Beating_A_Dead_Hors e_by_liviu
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Yukonica on October 22, 2015, 11:18:08 PM

Kicked some ass with my new Tennessee Walking Horse at the last horse show of the season in my area.

(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Animals/Shock-Tart/i-3gSMgHD/0/M/DSCN5473-M.jpg)
:1: :gotpics:
Those ribbons are the right colours. Congratulations.
Confirmation? (I'm a dog guy... maybe conf. is only one aspect of a full event?)
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on November 26, 2015, 03:15:22 PM
After spending a few hours at the barn this morning, I stole away for some around-town cruising on the V7 Special this afternoon.

Still some nice fall color here.  It starts in mid-October and lasts through late November.

It's supposed to rain like hell tonight and the rest of the holiday weekend, so this is probablyl all the exercise the little V7 will be getting this week.

(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015-August-8-V7-Special/i-P9WS58p/1/M/v7%202-M.jpg)

Now, a shower, and family coming over for dinner.

Happy Thanksgiving, friends.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: bpreynolds on November 27, 2015, 09:01:02 AM
Funny, the best I've ever gotten with my M796 is 50 MPG.    I typically get 46 MPG.    Aside from me being a good bit heavier then Jenn, I think my throttle hand is also a bit heavier  :grin:


The Ducs I had were extremely lean from the factory.  When I first got my previous GT1000 it would get 50mpg on the highway but the lean running eventually led to some stalling issues.  Same with the MTS DS1000 I had as well.  Fine after remap but following remap, both bikes would then get worse than my Calis and regularly slot in at the 35-40mpg range.  Maybe the newer Ducs are not nearly as lean or give no signs of lean running. 
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on February 22, 2016, 12:45:48 AM
It's been a long winter with too little riding.  Hopefully I'll have some updates for this thread as Spring arrives.

The little bike has been great, though.  130 mile lunch ride today with nary a hiccup. 

http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=81842.0

These V7s always put a smile on my face.  They just reinforce the good memories of vintage bikes of the past.

(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2016-February-21-Tahlequah/i-7npCWw9/2/L/20160221_165942-L.jpg)
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: fanspeed on April 11, 2016, 06:28:10 PM
How does that exhaust sound?  Here's mine...

(http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p483/ddcrampton/Mobile%20Uploads/CCAEAE99-C7C5-44EE-9563-2128FB536F73_zpsspq64yak.jpg) (http://s1152.photobucket.com/user/ddcrampton/media/Mobile%20Uploads/CCAEAE99-C7C5-44EE-9563-2128FB536F73_zpsspq64yak.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on April 11, 2016, 06:47:02 PM
Welcome to WG. If Rocker has it, it's probably pretty good.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Cam3512 on April 11, 2016, 06:52:54 PM
Welcome to WG. If Rocker has it, it's probably pretty good.  :smiley:

I have them on mine too, same bike.  The Agostini's sound friggin' AWESOME!
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: oldbike54 on April 11, 2016, 06:53:26 PM
How does that exhaust sound?  Here's mine...

(http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p483/ddcrampton/Mobile%20Uploads/CCAEAE99-C7C5-44EE-9563-2128FB536F73_zpsspq64yak.jpg) (http://s1152.photobucket.com/user/ddcrampton/media/Mobile%20Uploads/CCAEAE99-C7C5-44EE-9563-2128FB536F73_zpsspq64yak.jpg.html)

 Nice motorbike .

 I'm not Rocker , but his V7 with the Mistrals sounds amazing , throaty W/O being too loud  :bike-037:

 Dusty
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Cam3512 on April 11, 2016, 07:29:54 PM
Nice motorbike .

 I'm not Rocker , but his V7 with the Mistrals sounds amazing , throaty W/O being too loud  :bike-037:

 Dusty

Not Mistrals. Agostini's.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: oldbike54 on April 11, 2016, 07:37:09 PM
Not Mistrals. Agostini's.

 Well , one of those funny names  :laugh:

 Dusty
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on April 11, 2016, 10:09:14 PM
Yeah.  The Agos with the cut-down db-killers sounds really, really good without being "too loud".

I tried them with the db-killers removed, but it was too much.  Cutting the db-killers down did the trick.

The only time I've heard it as a bystander was when I had it in for service in Tulsa last fall.  The tech did a "test drive" up and back on Peoria Avenue and it sounded sweet.  Several people at the shop commented on how good the Agostinis sounded.

They were expensive, but nice things are...
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Yukonica on April 12, 2016, 12:24:22 AM
Not having been around much this winter I'm going to ask: is there now an accessible guzzidiag map for those pipes?
Alternately, was it needed?
I have a 13 with Mistral shorties and db killers. After a few hundred km the bike began to over fuel, pop annoyingly rather than 'burble' on the down, and just sounded unhappy so I went back to stock for the end of last season. The trouble disappeared. I put the Mistrals back on.
We'll see.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Kev m on April 12, 2016, 06:04:32 AM
Not having been around much this winter I'm going to ask: is there now an accessible guzzidiag map for those pipes?
Alternately, was it needed?

They just finished the work to access and read/write maps on this ECU, but I don't think anyone has tweaked one yet.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on April 12, 2016, 07:57:57 AM
Not having been around much this winter I'm going to ask: is there now an accessible guzzidiag map for those pipes?
Alternately, was it needed?
I have a 13 with Mistral shorties and db killers. After a few hundred km the bike began to over fuel, pop annoyingly rather than 'burble' on the down, and just sounded unhappy so I went back to stock for the end of last season. The trouble disappeared. I put the Mistrals back on.
We'll see.

The only change to my map was to have the dealer in Tulsa load the latest factory map.

Otherwise, the bike runs great.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Yukonica on April 12, 2016, 06:44:53 PM
 :1:
They just finished the work to access and read/write maps on this ECU, but I don't think anyone has tweaked one yet.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Yukonica on April 12, 2016, 06:49:08 PM
The only change to my map was to have the dealer in Tulsa load the latest factory map.

Otherwise, the bike runs great.

Shirley, you jest.... dealer?   :grin:
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on April 12, 2016, 10:26:59 PM
Shirley, you jest.... dealer?   :grin:

Yeah.  Rode 120 miles over to Tulsa (my closest dealer) on a Saturday Morning.  I had scheduled an appointment.  The tech loaded the 352BV738 map, which was the factory updated map.  When I got home I did the Roper-recommended reset deal.  Pulled the fuse.  Reinstalled the fuse.  Started and Let idle for 15-minutes.  Bike runs great.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Yukonica on April 12, 2016, 11:39:29 PM
Yeah.  Rode 120 miles over to Tulsa (my closest dealer) on a Saturday Morning.  I had scheduled an appointment.  The tech loaded the 352BV738 map, which was the factory updated map.  When I got home I did the Roper-recommended reset deal.  Pulled the fuse.  Reinstalled the fuse.  Started and Let idle for 15-minutes.  Bike runs great.

perspective. I'd be pleased to find a 'shade tree' who didn't call the bike a 'guhzzie'. He still wouldn't be allowed to lift a wrench to it.
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on May 03, 2016, 05:51:44 PM
Probably an interim solution, but today added some trustee socket spacers to The Handlebar clamp. This raised to the bars about 1.5 inches. The M bars are pretty low and combined with the standard pegs the seating isn't quite right. We'll see how this goes. I either need rear sets for the low bars, or higher bars.



(http://thumb.ibb.co/dP30Qa/20160503_174021.jpg) (http://ibb.co/dP30Qa)
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: trialsn on May 03, 2016, 10:18:10 PM
Thought I'd contribute. Here's my V7 Special. Glad to say the front signals have been swapped out.

(http://www.guzzitech.com/forums/attachments/image-jpeg.10224/)
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: malik on May 04, 2016, 07:32:10 PM
As I learned from the 1100 Sport, rear sets & low bars keep my back & neck straight & relaxed = all day riding comfort.

(http://thumb.ibb.co/j5fddv/IMG_2283.jpg) (http://ibb.co/j5fddv)
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on May 04, 2016, 10:09:23 PM
As I learned from the 1100 Sport, rear sets & low bars keep my back & neck straight & relaxed = all day riding comfort.

(http://thumb.ibb.co/j5fddv/IMG_2283.jpg) (http://ibb.co/j5fddv)


Exactly. I probably need to go with rearsets, since that's what I'm used to.

The big question, then, would be:  Factory Racer?  Agostini? Sato?

Hmmm...
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Yukonica on May 07, 2016, 07:07:14 PM
Exactly. I probably need to go with rearsets, since that's what I'm used to.

The big question, then, would be:  Factory Racer?  Agostini? Sato?

Hmmm...

Those three are just the start of rear-set manufacturers.
Before I bought/installed the Sato's I looked long and hard for the 'best' option.
Sato's are top dollar but offer replacement pieces (the original factory shift lever vibrated off), really wide range of adjustment, and plug and play installation. Their appearance doesn't match the 'vintage' theme of the bike overall but function over form... they were the best option (in my opinion).
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on May 25, 2016, 05:57:46 PM

A nice day for a ride, today.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015-August-8-V7-Special/i-58H3tMg/0/L/DSCN9671-L.jpg)
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: Tkelly on May 26, 2016, 02:19:05 PM
we put ikon shocks from MG on for huge improvement over 13 stock.also ordered a corbin .
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: rocker59 on August 19, 2017, 03:57:21 PM

She's for sale here on the swap meet...
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=88191.0

...and locally on Craigslist:
http://fayar.craigslist.org/mcy/6271521910.html

Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: oldbike54 on August 22, 2017, 09:30:02 PM
 This lovely motorbike has gone to a great new home  :thumb:

 Dusty
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: alanp on August 22, 2017, 09:52:40 PM
This lovely motorbike has gone to a great new home  :thumb:

 Dusty

And whose home would that be, Dusty?
Title: Re: Rocker59's V7 Special Thread
Post by: oldbike54 on August 22, 2017, 09:54:50 PM
And whose home would that be, Dusty?
ch more
 Someone much more deserving than me  :laugh:

 Dusty