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Re: HD PanAmerican specs revealed
« Reply #90 on: February 26, 2021, 06:04:53 PM »
Before forming a solid opinion on the new Pan American HD go to Utube and pull up the 15 minute video.
I must admit that after watching the places the riders put those behemoth duel sport bikes, I must say I dont believe I could go follow them on my MG Sport. I realize the guys riding them were pros but still! They did slow motion shots of hitting serious ruts and bumps and no regular suspension on road bikes could handle that punishment and would totally bottom out the 7-8 ground clearances. Sometimes a mans just got to re-assess his opinions. 🤔
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Re: HD PanAmerican specs revealed
« Reply #91 on: February 26, 2021, 09:33:57 PM »
You forgot the best of the breed... The Yamaha Super Tenere.

plenty to like with the Yamaha

Super Tenere - 108.5 hp / 584 lbs wet / $16,299.00 base

and

Triumph Tiger 1200 XC - 141 hp / 580 lbs wet / $19,700.00 base

Suzuki 1050 XA V Strom - 106 hp / 545 lbs. wet / $14,799.00 base

Kawasaki Versys 1000 SE LT - 118 hp / 567 lbs wet / $17,999.00 base

and a recap

HD Pan America - 150hp / 534 lbs wet / $17,319 base

BMW R1250 GS  - 136 hp / 591 lbs wet /  $17,995 base

KTM 1290 Adventure R - 160 hp / 530 lbs wet  / $18,599 base

Honda Africa Twin Sport ES (corrected again  :embarrassed:) -100 hp / 501 lbs wet / $14,399 base

It is a very crowded field and any of these big adventure bikes would be a fine motorcycle if the tall and naked bike is your thing.
For low weight, lowest cost and extensive dealer network I would take the Honda.

Trying to match MSRP 'base' price is confusing to put it lightly, as others have said does a base price motorcycle really even exist?

I hope the HD can find its share of the market, they probably have a lot riding on its sucess.
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Re: HD PanAmerican specs revealed
« Reply #92 on: February 27, 2021, 07:15:16 AM »
If you need the most bragging rights the Ducati 1260 has a bit more power...Wow, 160 hp touring biks, 400 Hp 6000 pound Pu trucks and 300 hp 4500 pound mid size SUV....People ain't the only obese things,  :evil:
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Re: HD PanAmerican specs revealed
« Reply #93 on: February 27, 2021, 08:10:13 AM »
If you need the most bragging rights the Ducati 1260 has a bit more power...Wow, 160 hp touring biks, 400 Hp 6000 pound Pu trucks and 300 hp 4500 pound mid size SUV....People ain't the only obese things,  :evil:

Especially on a day to day basis most of the owners of those bikes will tap into maybe 70 hp. 

I'm more interested in the torque curves than the HP numbers.
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Re: HD PanAmerican specs revealed
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« Reply #94 on: February 27, 2021, 10:20:02 AM »
Enough already!!   :grin:   Stop with the over the top congratulations too HD!    So many seem so impress and surprised that they could bring such a bike to the market for a competitive price, well Dahh!

It's not nuclear Med, it's a motorcycle.  If any of us had the resources that HD has, we too could build such a bike, it just takes money.  They are trying to sell more motorcycles, if they thought the future was solar powdered trikes they would be introducing that with Jason M. 
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Re: HD PanAmerican specs revealed
« Reply #95 on: February 27, 2021, 12:59:44 PM »
plenty to like with the Yamaha

Super Tenere - 108.5 hp / 584 lbs wet / $16,299.00 base

and

Triumph Tiger 1200 XC - 141 hp / 580 lbs wet / $19,700.00 base

Suzuki 1050 XA V Strom - 106 hp / 545 lbs. wet / $14,799.00 base

Kawasaki Versys 1000 SE LT - 118 hp / 567 lbs wet / $17,999.00 base

and a recap

HD Pan America - 150hp / 534 lbs wet / $17,319 base

BMW R1250 GS  - 136 hp / 591 lbs wet /  $17,995 base

KTM 1290 Adventure R - 160 hp / 530 lbs wet  / $18,599 base

Honda Africa Twin Sport ES -100 hp / 501 lbs wet / $14,399 base

It is a very crowded field and any of these big adventure bikes would be a fine motorcycle if the tall and naked bike is your thing.
For low weight, lowest cost and extensive dealer network I would take the Honda.

Trying to match MSRP 'base' price is confusing to put it lightly, as others have said does a bse price motorcycle really even exist?

I hope the HD can find its share of the market, they probably have a lot riding on its sucess.
Thanks for pulling together specs in one place. You are preferring the base price of the Honda Africa Twin, not the Honda Africa Twin Sport ES. The base price of the Sport ES model is $17,199. Sorry to nitpick, but your post would be more precise if you removed the words "Sport ES." Some of us would be spurred to action if the Sport ES base price was $14,399, big difference.
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Re: HD PanAmerican specs revealed
« Reply #96 on: February 27, 2021, 01:09:58 PM »
Enough already!!   :grin:   Stop with the over the top congratulations too HD!    So many seem so impress and surprised that they could bring such a bike to the market for a competitive price, well Dahh!

It's not nuclear Med, it's a motorcycle.  If any of us had the resources that HD has, we too could build such a bike, it just takes money.  They are trying to sell more motorcycles, if they thought the future was solar powdered trikes they would be introducing that with Jason M.

 H-D is a suffering company with loads of history but a stagnant presence in the current market whose reputation and output relies on a particular audience that isnt helping them grow anymore. The fact that theyre trying, AND TRYING, to find an Avenue of success out of that dying niche is absolutely worth applauding.

That said, Id be jumping and hollering with positivity toward them if they could produce a back-to-basics TRUE mid-weight like what Royal Enfield is doing.
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Re: HD PanAmerican specs revealed
« Reply #97 on: February 27, 2021, 01:13:20 PM »
H-D is a suffering company with loads of history but a stagnant presence in the current market whose reputation relies on a particular market. The fact that theyre trying, AND TRYING, to find an Avenue of success out of that dying niche is absolutely worth applauding.

That said, Id be jumping and hollering with positivity toward them if they could produce a back-to-basics TRUE mid-weight like what Royal Enfield is doing.
Dirk is this bike not doing just that? It was my understanding that there was going to be two different size motors? I stand corrected on that if need be.
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Re: HD PanAmerican specs revealed
« Reply #98 on: February 27, 2021, 01:24:16 PM »
Dirk is thus bike not doing just that? It was my understanding that there was going to be two different size motors? I stand corrected on that if need be.

Back-to-basics true midweight wouldnt what I call a 570 lb bike with a brand new liquid-cooled engine and other bells and whistles costing $20k, lol.

But I am applauding them for doing what they can to keep up with Indian and their lineup. Surprised H-D got the jump on them in the adventure segment.
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« Reply #99 on: February 27, 2021, 02:56:11 PM »

That said, Id be jumping and hollering with positivity toward them if they could produce a back-to-basics TRUE mid-weight like what Royal Enfield is doing.

This  :thumb:
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« Reply #100 on: February 27, 2021, 04:25:31 PM »
So much about a bike that hasn't been tested, marketed or ridden.  After many years of the Guzzi experience, most of us have learned never buy the first year of anything.  And if it pans out, a used one might be the deal since it's the proven product.

Did the same on my Ducati.  Was very interested, waited and ended up with lightly used first year model, already broken-in, serviced and recalls performed.  It's like someone did all the crap I didn't want to do with a new bike, the reliability and owner satisfaction was established, I get a 1300 mile creampuff and save 30%. 

Who knows what this machine is all about?  For sure it's got your interest and not mine but this is all hype for now.
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« Reply #101 on: February 27, 2021, 08:00:06 PM »
I wasn't a fan of "Adventure bikes" until I actually started doing some distance touring. I have become quite accustom to long travel suspension and comfortable ergonomics. I have gotten over having a uncomfortable piece of rolling art under me and now prefer function.

I'm no Harley fanboy but I certainly won't hesitate to a test ride a PA if and when the opprutinity presents itself. More choices is better than less. 
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« Reply #102 on: April 22, 2021, 04:42:54 AM »
Test ride videos are surfacing>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN2Is9LE6eg

Sound clip in this one at 9:30.  Sounds like a blender.  Tech heavy.  Definitely shooting for the beemer crowd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g18iCBvS8dQ
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« Reply #103 on: April 22, 2021, 05:47:08 AM »
Test ride videos are surfacing>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN2Is9LE6eg

Sound clip in this one at 9:30.  Sounds like a blender.  Tech heavy.  Definitely shooting for the beemer crowd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g18iCBvS8dQ

Thanks for sharing JF.

To quote the Dutch guy, "Harley has done quite an amazing job." Hopefully buyers agree and HD has long-term success with the bike which in turn, could embolden them to offer more non-heritage models based on this apparently outstanding engine.
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« Reply #104 on: April 22, 2021, 06:58:17 AM »
I find it mildly amusing that so many new motorcycles need to have about 40 tech things, modes, and whatever else or they get dismissed right off the bat-not to mention so much horse power that controls are needed to keep the rider away from themselves.


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« Reply #105 on: April 22, 2021, 07:37:47 AM »
I find it mildly amusing that so many new motorcycles need to have about 40 tech things, modes, and whatever else or they get dismissed right off the bat-not to mention so much horse power that controls are needed to keep the rider away from themselves.


And I don't even OWN red suspenders!

Have you checked out pickup trucks lately? Power and tech wizardry sells. For HD to compete with BMW and KTM the have to have the tech. Maybe they'll roll out a lower spec model once the PA is established.
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« Reply #106 on: April 22, 2021, 09:31:13 AM »
Yes, I have.  My truck has all that crap.  And 14 service recalls.  The motor is great.  The rest of it................. ...........?  Wish they could figure it out a bit better.
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« Reply #107 on: April 22, 2021, 09:35:30 AM »
 There is at least one TV ad for a car that never mentions anything about the actual car , the entire ad is based on how the car is connected to the internet . So yes , unfortunately tech that most of us will never use sells in the modern world . Beyond some tech that makes a motorbike safer or handle better , most of these baubles are just that . 20 years ago I test rode a new RT beemer , Ken at Atlas Cycles spent 15 minutes explaining what all of the knobs and switches did , I just wanted to ride the dang thing and see how it worked , all of those "features" were meaningless . After the test ride, the old airhead RT ridden to the dealer felt like an uncomplicated old friend welcoming me back after a fling with some exotic hard to deal with person .

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« Reply #108 on: April 22, 2021, 12:03:47 PM »
There is at least one TV ad for a car that never mentions anything about the actual car , the entire ad is based on how the car is connected to the internet . So yes , unfortunately tech that most of us will never use sells in the modern world . Beyond some tech that makes a motorbike safer or handle better , most of these baubles are just that . 20 years ago I test rode a new RT beemer , Ken at Atlas Cycles spent 15 minutes explaining what all of the knobs and switches did , I just wanted to ride the dang thing and see how it worked , all of those "features" were meaningless . After the test ride, the old airhead RT ridden to the dealer felt like an uncomplicated old friend welcoming me back after a fling with some exotic hard to deal with person .

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« Reply #109 on: April 22, 2021, 12:18:18 PM »
Diva - 'exotic hard to deal with person'. We are clearly in the age of diva bikes.

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 The interesting thing , it is possible to have a comfortable reliable motorbike with modern fueling and electrical systems that work , good brakes , weather protection , saddle bags , good suspension , all of the things that make a motorbike such a wonderful device , W/O having some over complicated appliance that takes a degree in engineering to operate .

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« Reply #110 on: April 22, 2021, 01:32:14 PM »
  :thumb:

 The interesting thing , it is possible to have a comfortable reliable motorbike with modern fueling and electrical systems that work , good brakes , weather protection , saddle bags , good suspension , all of the things that make a motorbike such a wonderful device , W/O having some over complicated appliance that takes a degree in engineering to operate .

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Ah come on Dusty, who would buy a simple lighter weight capable machine.?  Old Airhead and Guzzi riders?..Buyers want all the extras, you can read it here all the time....
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« Reply #111 on: April 22, 2021, 01:38:12 PM »
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« Reply #112 on: April 22, 2021, 03:39:18 PM »
Ah come on Dusty, who would buy a simple lighter weight capable machine.?  Old Airhead and Guzzi riders?..Buyers want all the extras, you can read it here all the time....

Royal Enfield 650? It's like the high end ADV segment is in a technology arms race. Whoever offers the most bells and whistles wins the adoration of the press and money of the 'sophisticated' riders trying to out-farkel the others at the coffee house. Auto-lowering rear suspension - bet your GS can't do that!
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« Reply #113 on: April 22, 2021, 03:50:02 PM »
Royal Enfield 650? It's like the high end ADV segment is in a technology arms race. Whoever offers the most bells and whistles wins the adoration of the press and money of the 'sophisticated' riders trying to out-farkel the others at the coffee house. Auto-lowering rear suspension - bet your GS can't do that!

 The next gen GS will  :laugh: Gotta keep the baristas at the local starbucks impressed  :laugh:

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« Reply #114 on: April 22, 2021, 04:06:28 PM »
Not to mention the hp wars.  God forbid if your ADV doesn't have 160hp or else............... .....you're CANCELED!
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« Reply #115 on: April 22, 2021, 04:20:44 PM »
Not to mention the hp wars.  God forbid if your ADV doesn't have 160hp or else............... .....you're CANCELED!

 Except for the KLR riders  :laugh: They just get another slightly newer milk crate and boom , all the street cred they need  :grin:

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« Reply #116 on: April 22, 2021, 05:21:14 PM »
I remember a former member, cant recall his Handel at the moment, but his point was that all these new Guzzi with computers (circa 2008) would wind up tits up with out support in ten years.

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« Reply #117 on: April 22, 2021, 06:14:19 PM »
Auto-lowering rear suspension - bet your GS can't do that!

As silly as that sounds, I have two friends-- one on a BMW GS and one on a Multistrada-- who both lower their bikes when coming to a stop.  They'd probably like the auto lowering bit.

Personally, I'd like for Harley to turn out a bike with an air cooled Sportster engine, non-electronic suspension, minimal electrics, in an adv style.  Oh wait. . .



I fully understand that I'm in the luddite camp.  :)  Having said that, I hope this is a home run for Harley.  Sounds like they've done a good job on the PanAm,  I just hope they can bring in the customers.

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« Reply #118 on: April 23, 2021, 05:57:26 AM »
Glad to see HD diversifying, hope its a huge success. I know thats not a popular opinion on this site but after owning and still riding HDs they have been the most reliable easy maintainable motorcycles Ive ever owned.
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« Reply #119 on: April 23, 2021, 06:57:38 AM »
Glad to see HD diversifying, hope its a huge success. I know thats not a popular opinion on this site but after owning and still riding HDs they have been the most reliable easy maintainable motorcycles Ive ever owned.

I dont know about it being an unpopular opinionseems to me that most of us want HD to update themselves and prosper!
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