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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Penderic on February 20, 2015, 10:07:42 PM
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2015 Scrambler Motorcycle Shootout
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http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/8/21986/Motorcycle-Article/2015-Scrambler-Motorcycle-Shootout.aspx
2015 Moto Guzzi V7 Special Comparison.... wins 3rd place! ;) They hated it. ::( Bunch of Hypesters!
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Meh, three cool bikes, I'm thinking the result didn't matter much... Probably not a big difference between the three...
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No great shock there. How are you supposed to compare a 35yo engine design with a brand new Ducati? "Cool" factor and "charm" aside, we all know that the heron head is way past the time when it should have been redesigned. Not even worth the argument. I'm not saying the V7 isn't neat. I'm just saying you can't expect to compare it against modern designs.
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I don't know about hate. I thought they were being nice and finding positive things to say about it. It is not in the same class as the Ducati. It's Guzzi's entry level bike, right?(except for the Stone)
For something that makes that little power you would think the torque curve would be flatter.
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Ducati came out on top, GEE BIG surprise! :beat_horse
Dean
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I didn't read it all, but I watched the video on the v7. The long haired kid really seemed to like it quite a bit.
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I was a little surprised at the outcome because throughout the review they raved about the Triumph and one of the guys said that was his choice if it was his money.
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Why are they calling a V7 Special with street tires a Scrambler? Then bitch about how it seems more like a Cage Bike? Huh
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Wtf is a cage bike?
Are the reviewers hipsters?
Oh and for whatever it is worth, about the Duc, it IS their entry level bike now.
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Hipster
Dusty
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Some comments about the Duc that were significant to me:
"One final area the Ducati falls short is rider comfort, with the seat and riding position both becoming uncomfortable during the day’s ride." and "That makes it not a really comfortable motorcycle to ride. I wouldn’t want to live with that thing every day."
Rich A
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I'm guessing he meant Cafe bike as they used that word a few times in their commentary. I found it funny that they had a problem with the muted sound of the muffler's. Seriously, that is an absurd comment whereas I can understand the lack of comparative power as being an issue. Because it is an issue.
And I thought that the fuel mileage is much higher on that bike or is that because they were relentlessly flogging the bike?
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Some comments about the Duc that were significant to me:
"One final area the Ducati falls short is rider comfort, with the seat and riding position both becoming uncomfortable during the day’s ride." and "That makes it not a really comfortable motorcycle to ride. I wouldn’t want to live with that thing every day."
Rich A
I thought that was the contemporary tradition of Ducati's? When MG didn't produce the MGS/01, I test road and considered a 999; the seat was actually way more comfortable than I expected. I guess that's one of the reason Ducati fans didn't like the bike. ;)
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And stock Guzzi seats are comfortable? These "shootouts" are a joke. Each bike has its good and bad. The V7 wins for ME. That's why I have one and not the others.
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The Ducati has a tiny tank and even with its better fuel mileage has a much shorter range. Good for urban and short rides. The seat will be ok for short rides.
The one reviewer, Adam Waheed, has also done 2 other test rides on Moto Guzzi V7's for the same publication and has made it clear (to me): He hates them.(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/rant_zpseetylssj.gif)
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And stock Guzzi seats are comfortable? These "shootouts" are a joke. Each bike has its good and bad. The V7 wins for ME. That's why I have one and not the others.
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Though what is torture for one person is comfortable for the next. Jenn's Duc starts to hurt me after 50 miles, but she doesn't complain even after 300...
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And stock Guzzi seats are comfortable?
Dunno 'bout that, but the implication from the comment I quoted is that the seat on the Ducati is even less comfortable.
Rich A
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I knew someone would find and post this "shoot out" and I'm glad someone did so I don't have to ;-T. I have a keen interest in seeing in person all three of these bikes. Although the V7 in V7II form. I did not find the observations objectionable on any of them, that is their job isn't it? The baby Breva was the first Moto Guzzi I ever rode when they first came out. It was brand new so I did not get to feel the raw power it was capable of ;). I've since owned some powerhouses and have toned it down some but may be more inclined to the ever hopeful V7III. I can't wait to hopefully see the other two in Montreal next weekend!
Stay safe, John
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Though what is torture for one person is comfortable for the next. Jenn's Duc starts to hurt me after 50 miles, but she doesn't complain even after 300...
Kev,
Different parts there.
Dean
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The one reviewer, Adam Waheed, has also done 2 other test rides on Moto Guzzi V7's for the same publication and has made it clear (to me): He hates them.(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/rant_zpseetylssj.gif)
Key word: publication, they don't get many advertising dollars from MG so my speculation is he might be paid to diss them? Correct me if I'm wrong.
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OK, I read it. Sounds pretty accurate and I can't really fault them.
Though I'll say I tend to get 10 mpg more then them on my V7, and Jenn gets more like 15 mpg more then they did with the Duc on her very similar performance numbers 696.
That and the comment about sliding the rear tire on the Triumph tells me they were mercilessly flogging those bikes to a point where their subjective impressions and conclusions just don't apply to my life, nor to most riders I know or associates with.
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Kev,
Different parts there.
Dean
:-[ :o ;D
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I subscribe to Motorcycle USA on youtube so I always get word when they post a new vid. I watched this yesterday while jogging on the treadmill. I dunno why but I really love watching bike related stuff on the ipad while jogging, better than music just about anyday.
Anyhoo. I didn't read the actual review, just watched the vid. I don't have issues with their remarks as per "performance" goes. But Waheed is a track guy and he loves bikes and I enjoy his reviews but they are always and mainly from that track perspective. Even when he clearly fakes it and tries to talk about how a bike has charm, it sounds ridiculously scripted.
I'm hot for the pretty girl in the vid who likes the Guzzi, though I think full track leathers to a "scrambler" shootout is indicative of maybe where her priorities in a review might be. Even still, babes in leathers are H-O-T and I'd still take her out :BEER:
Notice here none of these guys discuss the Guzzi engine experience much. They talk about the Triumph having this great engine character. I've ridden a Scrambler; wonderful, wonderful bike but as with all modern Triumphs, it is basically Japanese in personality. I owned and enjoyed a GT1000 for 23k miles. It turned out about the same numbers, maybe even a little better, than the Scrambler. Even still, it is boring ride compared to the V7s and Guzzis I've ridden/owned.
There are some older riders on Moto USA who give a lot more nuanced and experienced reviews that I enjoy more.
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Honestly , if it wasn't the Ducs new ride of the year I think the Triumph would of been the winner . The Duc is a street bike in off road cloths from the sounds of it and performance and speed are always going to impress the younger crowd . Triumph has had years to refine this bike and have done a great job . The Guzzi is a neat bike all said but will have to ride one of those Triumphs someday . That's my Saturday morning two cents worth ( for what it's worth ) . **C
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let's be honest here, the whole "Scrambler" motorcycle deal in the 1960s was just a dress up kit for street bikes with an up-swept exhaust and some styling cues.
The V7 will lose most performance contests but seems to fare well when considering cost.
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Triumph maybe is going to roll out a new engine for the Triumph in 2016. Possibly an 1100 with over 100 HP.
Are you basing that on any kind of evidence ? OR... is this like folks wishing for 75 HP small blocks ? ;)
Dusty
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Triumph maybe is going to roll out a new engine for the Triumph in 2016. Possibly an 1100 with over 100 HP.
Would hope they address the weight with the bike. That bike is very top heavy, you can feel it at lower speeds.
The Ducati looks good, however a V7 II with true Scrambler set up could change everything considering a lower first gear 6 speed shorter shift and the weight lower and shifted forward, whole different bike really. Could be a game changer.
Having been an off road dirt guy in the past, HP is really secondary. Low torque developed at lower RPM, with close cut gear ratio's really is the business. I would not count out Moto Guzzi yet.
The Ducati the bike I know the least about. Would like to test ride one. It probably at this point the best of the three for off road use. I myself just don't like the look of it, tail section looks weird to me.
I've got top heavy already with the Stelvio especially with a full tank (32 litres) . Got to be careful in slow traffic around town but once out of first look out . Interesting about the possible new Triumph , they like to keep up if not move ahead of the competition .
I've never really been off road and envy the guys in SoCal who tear up the dirt roads out in the desert . I can see Steve McQueen givin it , he really rode hard in all those events which we never had up here in Canuck land . Too many trees and rocks , not to mention ice and snow where I lived as a young rider . Have a good one .
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Amazing how the V7 even made it into this class of bike. It's not a scrambler, sorry. Hard to watch them take it off-road and frankly, scary to watch. It's a street bike with low exhaust and highway tread. Please tell me how it's a scrambler in ANY way. Dumb-asses.
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Interesting , Guzzi was a no show at the Seattle bike show but had a big presence at the Vancouver show with many bikes in a high traffic area . Made me proud ! Lots of public interest around the V7s as several on display , they are such a cool looking bike . I'll have to take one out for a ride someday and see what I'm missing . It's great to have so many of us on this forum . Now I know where Auburn is and the weather is looking pretty darn nice for riding . It should get up to 50 + here today so will get out later when it warms up .
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Are you basing that on any kind of evidence ? OR... is this like folks wishing for 75 HP small blocks ? ;)
Dusty
we have a thread for that:
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=73839.0
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First time I've ever noticed a Moto Guzzi get this much exposure or taken this serious since maybe the Lemans and original V7 Sport.
The LeMans 1000 in the 1980s and the Daytona/Sport 1100 in the 1990s got lots of press. Didn't really translate to sales, though.
The V7C was the right bike at the right time in 2009. I hope it continues to draw people in, and I hope Guzzi continues to upgrade it!
I had a blast on the first one I rode, back in 2009.
(http://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Colorado-2009-June-18-28/i-xdv2Fns/0/M/DSCN4772-M.jpg)
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Just for fun, I wished they would have called the article
" Thailand made Vs Italian made 2015 Scrambler Motorcycle Shootout "
It wouldn't have changed the outcome for those hipsters
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You know if they included the V7 in this "Scrambler" shoot out they also should have included the Yamaha FZ7, granted it's not a retro put I think it would have fit in. I test road one on a Demo day, really a great bike for the price.
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Just came back from the Ducati/MG/Triumph dealer in SLC today. They have a large cardboard poster board on a stand in the dealership that breaks down the months across the top from left to right and down the left side the 4 Scrambler models. Each month has the numbers of Duc Scramblers available. Those that are already presold and don't have any available have a big red X through the month and the names of the people that bought them. Looked to have about 75% of their in-bound inventory pre-sold already.
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we have a thread for that:
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=73839.0
Yeah , was aware of that , it was the 100 HP figure that was in question , not easy to achieve with a parallel twin engine of 1000 CCs .
Dusty