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New Harleys - the Moco trying to compete
« on: July 30, 2018, 08:42:00 AM »
Well, looks like that info I heard some months back about Harley asking for sport and dual sport tires from Michelin may have some meat to it. Seems that they might have finally woken up and are going to try and compete in something more than just air-cooled cruisers/tourers. I hope these new bikes are up to the task.

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Re: New Harleys - the Moco trying to compete
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2018, 08:54:44 AM »
Just when I was getting excited about the Indian FTR 1200, Harley comes along and adds confusion!

Looks like my next bike might be American.

Hope it likes my little Italian V7 it will be parked next to.  :cool:

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Re: New Harleys - the Moco trying to compete
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2018, 09:25:27 AM »
shoulda just brought back the Buell.. those all look too heavy.
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Re: New Harleys - the Moco trying to compete
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2018, 09:51:16 AM »
OMG, those bikes are UGLY.  Especially the top two.
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Re: New Harleys - the Moco trying to compete
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2018, 10:00:05 AM »
OMG, those bikes are UGLY.  Especially the top two.

Ya.....the top two are butt ugly but I'm kinda likin' the bottom one.
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Re: New Harleys - the Moco trying to compete
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2018, 10:00:48 AM »
Kudos to Harley for aspiring to enter the market for modern non-cruiser bikes, an uncharted territory for the Moco.  The question is, are they able to design and build anything that is not grossly overweight?  To date nothing has emerged from Harley's model lineup that is not prohibitively massive.  Harley will have to turn over a completely new leaf to make bikes that are competitive in weight with bikes from other constructors of modern motorcycles.  Kilo control doesn't appear to be in the Moco's DNA, but let's wait and see what emerges.  Meanwhile, they deserve credit for good intentions....
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Re: New Harleys - the Moco trying to compete
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2018, 10:24:49 AM »
That top photo must be the new Harley Dirt Glide.

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Re: New Harleys - the Moco trying to compete
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2018, 11:25:02 AM »
An attempt to get winning on the flat track against Indian 750.
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Re: New Harleys - the Moco trying to compete
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2018, 11:29:52 AM »
OMG, those bikes are UGLY.  Especially the top two.
The top for sure.  But i don't think the V85, or any other bike in that segment, are lookers.  i guess as appliances they'd be ok.

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« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2018, 11:33:37 AM »
Wonder what weight class they'll be in 1/2 ton or 3/4?

The BMW GS Adventure with 7.9 gallons of fuel is 580lbs

The KTM 1290 Adventure with 6.08 gallons of fuel is approximately 525lbs

Wonder if the Harley Pan America will get within 250lbs of either?
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Re: New Harleys - the Moco trying to compete
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2018, 11:34:27 AM »
That top photo must be the new Harley Dirt Glide.


Good one! 


I'm liking the street fighter concept, and that they mention the new bikes will have more tech, hopefully ride modes, TCS other stuff all other makes have had for years.  I still think I'm a little more excited about the FTR1200.
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Re: New Harleys - the Moco trying to compete
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2018, 11:35:01 AM »
But the ADV bike doesn't have forward controls.
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Re: New Harleys - the Moco trying to compete
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2018, 11:35:22 AM »
Interesting but ponderous.
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Re: New Harleys - the Moco trying to compete
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2018, 11:49:03 AM »
I like Harleys very much and own two, but (IMO, of course) those bikes are hideous. Yes, weight control would help, but why would anyone buy something in this genre from H-D when proven superior bikes are available elsewhere? I doubt that the target demographic (surely much younger than I) cares a damn where the bikes are "made" (in quotes because lots of H-D pieces are produced offshore).

As noted, I must surely be outside the target demographic . . .

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Re: New Harleys - the Moco trying to compete
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2018, 12:08:38 PM »
On the one hand, good for them for stepping outside their comfort zone.

On the other hand, is it just me or does that dualsport look like it's made out of legos?

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« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2018, 12:14:47 PM »
On the one hand, good for them for stepping outside their comfort zone.

On the other hand, is it just me or does that dualsport look like it's made out of legos?

First two looks like Lego...actually, more like MegaBloks pieces together...

Especially the first one...StingRay Fish anyone?

The last one looks like an old Buell re-branded HD...with some HD heavy duty feel to it...

Don't get me wrong, I am happy and glad HD is trying to step into other category besides the good old cruiser/bagger territories, but wow...

Let just say design revision required...
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Re: New Harleys - the Moco trying to compete
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2018, 12:18:22 PM »
That third one looks great. Reminds me of a Ducati Streetfighter. The first one is no uglier than all the other giant adv bikes out there.

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Re: New Harleys - the Moco trying to compete
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2018, 12:27:12 PM »
OMG, those bikes are UGLY.  Especially the top two.
You seen a duel sport BMW lately? All duel sport bikes have that type of configuration, as far a I can see tell by looking at picture of them.

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« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2018, 12:33:06 PM »
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/harley-spend-275-million-revive-113725545.html

100 plus new model are being designed and built for the world market. 

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Re: New Harleys - the Moco trying to compete
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2018, 12:40:23 PM »
30 years late and $300M short IMO
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Re: New Harleys - the Moco trying to compete
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I think the adventure bike was developed for this guy. God that headlight is ugly.

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« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2018, 12:55:43 PM »
They gotta do something with all those VROD engines....
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Re: New Harleys - the Moco trying to compete
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2018, 01:22:07 PM »
 It will be interesting how they market these, hopefully they learned something from Buell. I'll be keeping the Uly for now.
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Re: New Harleys - the Moco trying to compete
« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2018, 01:28:40 PM »
You forgot a pic of their "LiveWire" electric bike, which appears to be available next year...




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Re: New Harleys - the Moco trying to compete
« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2018, 01:31:14 PM »
 We have come full circle , no comment on the top two , but the third bike sure resembles the Yamaha Bulldog .

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Re: New Harleys - the Moco trying to compete
« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2018, 01:33:35 PM »
You forgot a pic of their "LiveWire" electric bike, which appears to be available next year...





as awesome as the tech can be...I am still trying to forget this thing actually exist... :violent1:
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Re: New Harleys - the Moco trying to compete
« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2018, 01:43:30 PM »
Wonder what weight class they'll be in 1/2 ton or 3/4?

The BMW GS Adventure with 7.9 gallons of fuel is 580lbs

The KTM 1290 Adventure with 6.08 gallons of fuel is approximately 525lbs

Wonder if the Harley Pan America will get within 250lbs of either?

Why do you assume things like this?

The closest relative to these bikes in the Harley line-up (the Street Rod 750) currently weighs in a 516 # wet.
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Re: New Harleys - the Moco trying to compete
« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2018, 01:46:26 PM »
You forgot a pic of their "LiveWire" electric bike, which appears to be available next year...





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Re: New Harleys - the Moco trying to compete
« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2018, 02:09:20 PM »
Regardless of aesthetics (which look mostly like concept renderings), good for Harley doing this.

The first GS clone is definitely looking like a styling exercise that will morph into a real, more moderately styled bike. That one has possibilities. The second bike, I can't get over the huge front tire size. The third looks like it might be pretty cool from a standard sport roadster standpoint (I still like my Griso better).

I was hopeful Polaris, through Victory and the 156 bike, would eventually go for a full model line using the 1100 scout engine in a multitude of chassis. Then through Indian, with the flat track bike as the basis. But in the end, looks like Harley beat them to it. Hope it works out for them!

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Re: New Harleys - the Moco trying to compete
« Reply #29 on: July 30, 2018, 02:13:13 PM »
The top one has a headlight that reminds me of my Kirby vacuum.

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