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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #390 on: November 23, 2021, 07:52:51 PM »
  The engine oil is shared with the Transmission. The Mandello uses the same clutch/ engine/gearbox layout as a Honda CX 500/650 or a BMW 1200LC.

I suppose that's the end of using regular auto oil  :sad:

Let the oil threads begin anew!
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #391 on: November 23, 2021, 08:10:21 PM »
Maybe the center stand crisis can be put on HOLD until we have all the info?  Perhaps?
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #392 on: November 23, 2021, 10:15:33 PM »


whats the deal with the long swingarm but no reactive rod?

If there are 115 bhp getting anywhere near the rear wheel there's gonna be some torque reaction for sure

am I missing something?

You're missing geometry.

It is said that a reaction system is not needed due to pivot points and swinger angles

Does seem a little odd, but we'll see...
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #393 on: November 24, 2021, 03:35:43 AM »
I sincerly hope I have to eat these words, but, there is no way an E5 bike sounds that good stock.

The v7 850 sounds pretty good out the box, although the silencers look weren't to my taste. Thank God for Mistrals. See no reason why the v100 won't/doesn't sound good. Certainly the exhaust looks gorgeous and shows off the rear end really well.
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« Reply #394 on: November 24, 2021, 04:27:33 AM »
 with the cylinder heads turned 90deg. I speculate a single injection unit mebe with 2 injectors or not? possible ram air type air induction as well, big tech improvement! my guess as to claimed HP was spot on @115.
this is definitely a 120-130HP. class  motor detuned for the green police, plenty of meat on the bone will be left for the real tuners!
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #395 on: November 24, 2021, 05:18:43 AM »
The look is really growing on me, and compared to the other insectoid offerings across the spectrum, even BMW, this is looking great.  Not a big fan of green and grey, but it would be cool to have the 100 year anniversary colors. The "Flourish and embellishments' in the Italian to English translations crack me up.

Unless it floors me when I see it in person, a Mandello V100 won't find it's way into my garage, even with full luggage. A Norge replacement in red with full fairings? That's different. I love my 1200 Sport. Well, Bobs (Ohio Rider) 1200 Sport  :grin: and only miss the full fairing of the Norge. I cant see moving on from it for another 1/2 to mid fairing ST rides. A Full Faring bike with integrated luggage would be hard to resist.

"Special" is a subjective term. Without a doubt this is a major step forward in securing Guzzi's future, and IMO the V100 is one of the better if not best looking mid-fairing STs bikes out there. I'm glad it is conservative and classic (cause you know conservative and classy go together) in styling.  The riding position looks OK, maybe a little tight, but hard to guess by pictures.
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #396 on: November 24, 2021, 06:03:13 AM »
I sincerly hope I have to eat these words, but, there is no way an E5 bike sounds that good stock.

In recent years H-D was able to increase the sound level from the exhaust because they made the motor so quiet... :popcorn:
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #397 on: November 24, 2021, 06:23:36 AM »
jwin:  i was going to point that out as well.  i like the new styling.  i too have seen enough insectoid (great word) bikes to last the rest of my life.  $20,000 bikes are in my past now, but if I was still in that market, this presses the right buttons for me except for the tech (don't laugh).  If they made one that was just the plain bike with a good, manually adjustable, but not electronically adjustable suspension, simple ABS and of course, cruise control just like the trim level of the v85tt adventure and brought it in at an attractive price, maybe.  just distill down the goodness without the gingerbread (and weight).  of course, any version must have bags either standard or available and i am positive it will have matching luggage in any guise.   
no matter what happens it is great to see the company accept the water cooling challenge and moving into the future.  say what you want about piaggio, you can't deny that proper funding is what is allowing MG to look at the next hundred years.
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #398 on: November 24, 2021, 06:28:47 AM »
I'm really exited to see one of these in the flesh, I think the hp and torque specs are spot on .  I have been thinking about a single bike that could replace both the griso and tuono and this looks like it could be it. Hopefully we get the ohlins spec version here in the states.  Could live without the power shied and gimmicky  aero wings . For me its all about ergos and how it puts down  power. Any guesses on pricing?

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #399 on: November 24, 2021, 06:36:14 AM »
If it is lighter than my Norge and has a seat height not too tall for an old short guy, I might consider trading in the Norge and my BMW F bike for one with full luggage. Anxious for Enzo at Cadre to get a demo version.

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #400 on: November 24, 2021, 07:13:10 AM »
“Moto Guzzi says that he drive shaft exit position is much lower with respect to previous Moto Guzzi engines, and thus does away with any suspension movement from the transfer of torque, and thus needs no swingarm linkage.

The Italians say that this makes for a smooth ride during both acceleration and deceleration, on par to what one would find on a chain drive, but with the typical advantages of a shaft drive.“
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #401 on: November 24, 2021, 09:09:50 AM »
I agree this is one of the best looking bikes I have seen in years. I also am sick and tired of the insectoids. Just a couple of weeks ago I downsized from my Audace. It was getting too heavy and awkward for me. I wanted a mid-sized classically styled bike. It also needed to have a big enough engine for comfortable higher speed touring. I was able to find only one bike that met my desires and it was still short in some areas. I got a Triumph  T120, but no driveshaft and the tank is kind of small but it get pretty good mileage. There is no such thing as the perfect bike, but we all know that. I really like the Mandello and I hope it helps pave the way to glorious future for MG.
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #402 on: November 24, 2021, 09:35:07 AM »
i love it
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #403 on: November 24, 2021, 09:52:07 AM »
I sincerly hope I have to eat these words, but, there is no way an E5 bike sounds that good stock.

I think you're wrong about that.  At least my Duc (euro 4/5) sounds great.  Duc does use a back pressure valve.
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #404 on: November 24, 2021, 09:55:03 AM »
with the cylinder heads turned 90deg. I speculate a single injection unit mebe with 2 injectors or not? possible ram air type air induction as well, big tech improvement! my guess as to claimed HP was spot on @115.
this is definitely a 120-130HP. class  motor detuned for the green police, plenty of meat on the bone will be left for the real tuners!

I think the engine was tuned to run in 115HP/9k rpm range considering Guzzi riders.  More power = peakier motor, not exactly in the Guzzi market.

Like they say, absolute power is one thing, power band is everything. 
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #405 on: November 24, 2021, 10:21:37 AM »
In recent years H-D was able to increase the sound level from the exhaust because they made the motor so quiet... :popcorn:

I doubt in EU, the bikes sounds like electrical bikes these days here.
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #406 on: November 24, 2021, 11:01:08 AM »
Any guesses on pricing?

I'm guessing $18,995 for the high end model with the electronic suspension, and all the other features, and $15,995 for the base model.

I'd be happy if I can get the base model with the cruise control and quick shifter, then add manually adjustable Öhlins sprung to my specs.
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #407 on: November 24, 2021, 11:51:54 AM »
I suppose that's the end of using regular auto oil  :sad:

Let the oil threads begin anew!

Normal synthetic motor oils have been used in common-case engines for years.

Guzzis have been spec'd for normal synthetic motor oils for years.

There will be no change.
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #408 on: November 24, 2021, 12:09:14 PM »
Just going from the BMW wasserboxers (wet clutch) I think it will require some thing along the spec of JASO MA-2.

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #410 on: November 24, 2021, 02:42:00 PM »
Sorry if this has already been posted:

https://www.motorcycledaily.com/2021/11/moto-guzzi-presents-v100-mandello-production-model-with-specifications/

17.5L / 4.6gal fuel tank is a bit of a disappointment.  Would have loved to see 5.5gal to 6.5gal.

115bhp / 105nm is better than I expected!  With 90% of torque from 3500rpm-onward, this thing will be a joy to ride!

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #411 on: November 24, 2021, 02:58:30 PM »
Quote

I suppose that's the end of using regular auto oil  :sad:

Let the oil threads begin anew!   

I've used 10 W 40 and 20 W 50 oil in my wet clutch Honda for years without a problem. Look for the absence of the "energy conserving" phrase on the container. I don't know what the service ratings are.

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #412 on: November 24, 2021, 03:29:52 PM »
centre stand schmenter stand

whats the deal with the long swingarm but no reactive rod?

If there are 115 bhp getting anywhere near the rear wheel there's gonna be some torque reaction for sure

am I missing something?

well looking at the girth of the swingarm, i would guess that there is room inside for a reaction rod, prop shaft and a small lunch pail.
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #413 on: November 24, 2021, 04:53:13 PM »
17.5L / 4.6gal fuel tank is a bit of a disappointment.  Would have loved to see 5.5gal to 6.5gal.

Agreed.  My V7 has  5.1 gallons of usable fuel.  I'd want at least that much in the V100.
That said the R1200RS, its mostly likely competitor has an 18L tank.

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #414 on: November 24, 2021, 05:20:26 PM »
I understand your wishes, but they are just such.  The V100 is not a focused touring bike, it's a do it all roadster.   Thus 4.6g is right were it needs to be, should be good for 150 miles plus, if you need more than that, take the needed actions.   MG says more bikes to come from this motor, I would be stunned if they didn't produce a touring bike based on it soon.do
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #415 on: November 25, 2021, 12:10:21 AM »
I think the engine was tuned to run in 115HP/9k rpm range considering Guzzi riders.  More power = peakier motor, not exactly in the Guzzi market.

Like they say, absolute power is one thing, power band is everything.

think I read in  story that it makes 80% or so peak HP @3500rpm? go back and read again...some such claim in there...no rice burner there!
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #416 on: November 25, 2021, 04:27:09 AM »
Like they say, absolute power is one thing, power band is everything.

Yes, but BMW's R1250RS makes more torque from just above idle (3,000rpm) than the Guzzi does at maximum (..this rising to 143 Nm / 105 lb-ft  @ 6,250rpm).  Absolute power is higher too: 136hp @ only 7,750rpm.  Unless it's substantially lighter the Guzzi is likely to trail the BMW in the inevitable comparison tests, and because these bikes are pitched at the very same customers, any 'newbies' to the marque could be hard won.


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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #417 on: November 25, 2021, 05:47:08 AM »
17.5L / 4.6gal fuel tank is a bit of a disappointment.  Would have loved to see 5.5gal to 6.5gal.

Perhaps the mpg will provide the range that in the past one got from a larger tank...we'll see what some of the reports tell us down the line.
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #418 on: November 25, 2021, 06:20:48 AM »
Yes, but BMW's R1250RS makes more torque from just above idle (3,000rpm) than the Guzzi does at maximum (..this rising to 143 Nm / 105 lb-ft  @ 6,250rpm).  Absolute power is higher too: 136hp @ only 7,750rpm.  Unless it's substantially lighter the Guzzi is likely to trail the BMW in the inevitable comparison tests, and because these bikes are pitched at the very same customers, any 'newbies' to the marque could be hard won.

It will also come down to riding impressions and appearance. Some may buy a bike based on the fact sheet but a more powerful engine doesn't always carry the day in a comparison. I find the R1250RS unattractive with too much of an insectoid look. The proof will be in the riding - it WILL be an interesting head to head test.
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #419 on: November 25, 2021, 06:34:15 AM »
I agree that the RS would be its natural competitor, but do first time or even 2nd time buyers even buy bikes in this price range and with the mission of these bikes?  I don't really see it as an issue.  Keep in mind that the BMW has 25% more engine capacity so it should at least be torquier.  If the 2 bikes were side by side, I think the Guzzi will look smaller and sleeker even if it is not necessarily lighter in weight.  The BMW RS boxer series has never sold in high volume (I have had 2, so I can comment) mostly in my opinion because of the way that they price it.  It has traditionally come without bags and by the time you add them, you are nearly to the price of an RT which most Americans perceive as the better bike (bigger is better).  I have had an RT as well and at least at that time, the RS was 60 lbs lighter and you could definitely feel the difference, but at the price of less wind protection.  Can't wait to see those comparisons begin, hurry up Guzzi.
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