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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #2460 on: May 31, 2020, 08:29:57 AM »
Like a lot of my predecessors, I have seen some ambiguity in the terminology of my V85 manual.
For the purpose of this post, may I refer to the parts of the drive train as follows..
The bit that has the pistons that go up and down and goes “bang” once per revolution as the “engine”
The bit that has the gear lever hanging off as the “gearbox”
The bit that has the crown wheel and pinion as the “bevel box.”
Now..
The “engine” takes 10W60 up to a suitable level in the sight glass..
The “gearbox” takes 700 ml of 75 W 140...
The”bevel box” takes 160 ml of 75W 140...
Is that correct ?
Seems a lot of oil in the gearbox considering my Norge takes 500 ml max..
Also, where is the vent in the bevelbox ?

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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #2461 on: May 31, 2020, 09:29:36 AM »
Has anyone seen one of these come up for sale used?

being this is the second year, I thought there might be someone that didn't like what they bought or had to sell for some reason or another.

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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #2462 on: May 31, 2020, 03:17:17 PM »
Huzo, the amounts sound right but they now call for synthetic oil only. the old 1100 used 1 Liter in the 5 speed so did the 2015 V7 if I remember right so it's right in between.
the V85 doesn't have a oil pump in the 6 speed like the V7III does either so I expect that's the reason for a bit more oil. also I think they went to 18000 mile change intervals.
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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #2463 on: May 31, 2020, 04:05:30 PM »
There was a lot of discussion re gearbox oil levels when the bike was first released.  If I'm allowed to refer to another forum, it is covered here.

https://guzzitech.com/forums/threads/v85tt-nhtsa-recall-notices.20219/

I'm yet to change my gearbox oil, I haven't reached 30,000 kM yet.  I was advised not to do it earlier, or the bits might not bed in properly, and the warranty might not be honoured.  Dealer's words, not mine.

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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #2464 on: May 31, 2020, 04:54:16 PM »
Ok then..
I changed my oils at 1,000 k with Motul 10 W 60 for the engine and Penrite 75 W 140 for the ‘box and bevels.
I could not get the 75 W 140 in Motul.
I litre you said for the V7 ? That sounds like a lot..
For 13 years I’ve taken a 1 litre bottle and upended half in the ‘box and half in the bevels for my Norge.
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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #2465 on: May 31, 2020, 05:06:24 PM »
Yet my dealer (a good one) insisted on changing ALL oils at the FIRST service.  Said it was silly to wait for 18K MILES to change tranny and rear for the first time.  I agree.  Zero effect on the warranty.

I'm quickly approaching my second service.  Looks like that one calls for an air filter change.
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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #2466 on: May 31, 2020, 05:10:57 PM »
Yet my dealer (a good one) insisted on changing ALL oils at the FIRST service.  Said it was silly to wait for 18K MILES to change tranny and rear for the first time.  I agree.  Zero effect on the warranty.

I'm quickly approaching my second service.  Looks like that one calls for an air filter change.
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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #2467 on: May 31, 2020, 05:25:55 PM »
Where is the vent in the bevelbox ?
Is it under the rubber cover  plug in the top ?

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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #2468 on: May 31, 2020, 05:39:36 PM »
I can't see any vent on mine.  Are you talking about those two hard rubber bungs at 9 o'clock and 10 o'clock (approx)?  Doesn't look like anything can vent out of these.

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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #2469 on: May 31, 2020, 07:21:07 PM »
There’s a removable rubber bung about the same shape as a low lying Pacific Island.
I do believe that the vent may be underneath...( the bung, not the island...)
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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #2470 on: May 31, 2020, 07:45:36 PM »
Dave, I think the one's you are indicating are plastic protectors for a couple of threaded holes in the casting.
Huzo has it-  the vent is under a removable rubber bung at 12 o'clock.
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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #2471 on: May 31, 2020, 11:21:33 PM »
Dave, I think the one's you are indicating are plastic protectors for a couple of threaded holes in the casting.
Huzo has it-  the vent is under a removable rubber bung at 12 o'clock.
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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #2472 on: June 01, 2020, 06:15:48 AM »
the side cases use a seperate key so how does the ignition key get bent on them.

My factory side cases (TT TRAVEL) are keyed same as ignition

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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #2473 on: June 01, 2020, 03:53:32 PM »
many people, at least me, keep the keys on one ring.  When closing the cases, the case key must be inserted to be able to snap onto the carrier.  unfortunately, the ignition key can get fouled in the locking mechanism and because the metal is so soft, easily become distorted as pressure is applied to lock the case in place.
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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #2474 on: June 01, 2020, 04:31:19 PM »
Could a locksmith fix those locks so the key could be removed without locking them?  I would like to be able to lock things up at my discretion.
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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #2475 on: June 01, 2020, 05:02:10 PM »
Dave, I think the one's you are indicating are plastic protectors for a couple of threaded holes in the casting.
Huzo has it-  the vent is under a removable rubber bung at 12 o'clock.

Hmmm, I can't find any removable bung at12 o'clock.

We are talking about the bevel box at the rear wheel, right?  Not the gearbox?

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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #2476 on: June 01, 2020, 05:04:41 PM »
Wait!  I've just found it.  I'd shined up the bevel box and the rubber bung, so it was hard to see in the poor garage lighting.

Thanks, guys.

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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #2477 on: June 01, 2020, 05:25:53 PM »
Hmmm, I can't find any removable bung at12 o'clock.
Did you try 12 o’clock midday instead of 12 o’clock midnight Dave ?
Maybe that’s why it was hard to see... :whip2: :grin:

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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #2478 on: June 04, 2020, 11:14:34 PM »
I've posted this elsewhere; thought it might be useful here, too.

Here's another horn alternative, a Denali SoundBomb Split Dual Tone Air horn, salvaged from my old Triumph Tiger.

It's a large unit, so mounting is a real challenge. This is a split horn; the compressor and horn itself are separate pieces, connected by an air hose. It may be installed as one piece, or each component in a different location. There are no ready made mounting kits or brackets available for the V85, so you're on your own. Install any way you can, anywhere you like.

I'd already disabled the EVAP canister (so have you, right?), and found this an ideal spot for the compressor, so the canister has been removed. The horn was a bit more tricky, but it can be squeezed in beneath the seat, at the rear of the fuel tank. It's a very tight fit; you'll have to cut the battery cover and fabricate a mounting bracket to make it all work. See the photos.

Wire it yourself, or buy the Denali plug 'n play kit. Whichever you choose, a relay must be used.

This horn is big and ugly, and I wanted it out of sight. Despite being under the seat, it's still plenty loud, not muffled in any way, and is protected from the elements.

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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #2479 on: June 05, 2020, 10:12:39 AM »
I just want a simple plug and play with at least 115DB. trouble is with the crash bars there isn't room for the 4" common one and I don't have driving light mounts.
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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #2480 on: June 05, 2020, 10:40:24 AM »
I just want a simple plug and play with at least 115DB. trouble is with the crash bars there isn't room for the 4" common one and I don't have driving light mounts.

Check the fit again. A number of folks, who have the Guzzi bars, have installed 100mm horns bought from their local wrecker.

If you want to use the threaded driving light holes, can't you fab your own simple bracket?

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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #2481 on: June 05, 2020, 01:30:31 PM »
I just want a simple plug and play with at least 115DB. trouble is with the crash bars there isn't room for the 4" common one and I don't have driving light mounts.

https://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=105472.0

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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #2482 on: June 06, 2020, 07:07:06 AM »
Check the fit again. A number of folks, who have the Guzzi bars, have installed 100mm horns bought from their local wrecker.

If you want to use the threaded driving light holes, can't you fab your own simple bracket?

I haven't seen driving lights mounted on a bike yet and don't see an empty bracket anywhere. Pic anyone?
I really don't want a gargantuan horn sticking out.
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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #2483 on: June 06, 2020, 07:25:04 AM »
I haven't seen driving lights mounted on a bike yet and don't see an empty bracket anywhere. Pic anyone?
I really don't want a gargantuan horn sticking out.




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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #2484 on: June 06, 2020, 11:35:48 AM »
Here are a couple more home-made variants for mounting fog/running lights.





I had the new prototypes mounted up along with the older placement.  I didn't want the lights to "burn out" the turn signals since they were,visually very close.





The new, lower placement is much better for all around visibility and after powder coating black it looks factory.



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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #2485 on: June 06, 2020, 03:18:58 PM »


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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #2486 on: June 06, 2020, 04:56:18 PM »
thanks for the pics. I ordered a set of 4" one's today. I wondered what that rough hole on the backside of the bracket was.
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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #2487 on: June 11, 2020, 08:19:54 AM »
Not worth a thread of it’s own, but here’s a couple of shots of the ‘85 in outback Australia.









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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #2488 on: June 11, 2020, 11:34:25 AM »
That's a ton of gear you're carrying there!  Presumably the Ohlins rear handles it OK, but what about the overtaking power all loaded up?
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Re: V85 TT Merged Threadfest
« Reply #2489 on: June 11, 2020, 03:28:16 PM »
That's a ton of gear you're carrying there!  Presumably the Ohlins rear handles it OK, but what about the overtaking power all loaded up?
About 45 kg as an estimate..
No different than a 12 year old pillion. Passing power is hard to quantify in print, but my arse and wrists tell me that the ‘85 and the Norge are near enough to the same from 100 k to 140 k.
From 140 to the end the graphs begin to diverge. Unloaded, I would not bet against the ‘85 in a drag from 40 to 140 lightly loaded, between the two.
You’ve to add 1500 RPM to everything on the tiddler  to feel the same “rush..”
(Exactly like an XR6 versus XR8 Falcon KD..)
Really mate (it’s as you know), mentally changing gears as you swap over and the way I ride now...?
I never have a problem.
It would be exactly the same if I owned an 8V Norge and a 4V.

Oh..and the Ohlins..?
Ummm....YES..!
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