V85 TT Merged Threadfest

[Kiwi_Roy]

They did that with the Norge in 08, I think.

Yes, AH Fan has one, looks great.

[ohiorider]

They did that with the Norge in 08, I think.

ALso a copper/bronze that was IMO quite attractive.  As for the BSB color, well............... ................???

[Huzo]

ALso a copper/bronze that was IMO quite attractive.  As for the BSB color, well............... ................???

Probably bearable if it's got no lumps in it.

[Huzo]

Actually, just looking at that V85.
That'd be a reasonable platform for a slightly dirt biased road bike, with some of the edge design taken away and some handlebar treatment,
Sort of in the Multi Strada concept, but a heavy road bias. Maybe needs the 19" front wheel for off roar/gravel application.
Personally very much like the high pipe but for road bias, maybe an accentuated screen (but not too much), frame mounted of course.
Gotta be Red, satin black frame and polished wire wheels with heavy duty spokes and no bland blacking out of the engine...
I'd buy one today !

[PeteS]

When I see that bike I see a possible competitor to the middle weight dual sport segment. 800 Triumph XC, 650 V Stroms, and BMW 800 GS's. If the weight comes in at under 500 lbs it could be a contender. Might not match them in pure power but it has something neither of them has. A Guzzi V twin.

Pete

[Bonaventure]

I like the V85 now that it's grown on me a bit. 

[Matteo]

When I see that bike I see a possible competitor to the middle weight dual sport segment. 800 Triumph XC, 650 V Stroms, and BMW 800 GS's. If the weight comes in at under 500 lbs it could be a contender. Might not match them in pure power but it has something neither of them has. A Guzzi V twin.

Pete

Or a drive shaft.

[TimmyTheHog]

Or a drive shaft.

This is one of the things that wins me as a Guzzi

I love the new Tiger 800...but I just can’t justify the chain anymore now I am so used to the shaft 

[keener]

This is one of the things that wins me as a Guzzi

I love the new Tiger 800...but I just can�t justify the chain anymore now I am so used to the shaft 

must be the odd man out , i like the shaft drive especially the carc on my Griso , but that would not be a deciding factor for me ... especially with ADV  bikes as light is a good thing as  KTM  and Triumph have figured out .

[PeteS]

This is one of the things that wins me as a Guzzi

I love the new Tiger 800...but I just can�t justify the chain anymore now I am so used to the shaft 

I have a Tiger 800. I think I have only adjusted the chain once in 17K miles. The motor is great with torque everywhere but I have still not gotten used to the gear whine. The 21" wheel is fine for single track but it makes for a poor sport bike. A 19" front would make a better all around bike for my what I would do with it which is long distance road work, paved or gravel.

Pete

[TimmyTheHog]

must be the odd man out , i like the shaft drive especially the carc on my Griso , but that would not be a deciding factor for me ... especially with ADV  bikes as light is a good thing as  KTM  and Triumph have figured out .

Well I understand the shaft drive system is a pig comparing to the chain system.

Also with proper maintenance and possible upgrade of the chain, it will be just fine.

But really tho, if you were given a choice, would you still choose chain over shaft if you have a choice between the two if offered  on the same bike?

Granted, it isn’t a deal breaker for me, but rather “bonus”

I have a Tiger 800. I think I have only adjusted the chain once in 17K miles. The motor is great with torque everywhere but I have still not gotten used to the gear whine. The 21" wheel is fine for single track but it makes for a poor sport bike. A 19" front would make a better all around bike for my what I would do with it which is long distance road work, paved or gravel.

Pete

You basically described how I would like to use an ADV bike for :P

And crossing finger WHEN Guzzi decided to release V85 “unnamed”, it will do just that

[Huzo]

I have a Tiger 800. I think I have only adjusted the chain once in 17K miles.
Pete

I do NOT disbelieve you, but did you put the " I think" part in for any special reason ?
What make is the chain, and has it got any wear, where it drags on the road ?

[PeteS]

I do NOT disbelieve you, but did you put the " I think" part in for any special reason ?
What make is the chain, and has it got any wear, where it drags on the road ?

No idea of the brand. Its whatever came on the bike. I do lube it every 600-1000 miles though. Not a big deal, especially if you have a centerstand, I don't, just a race stand. I been using Motul chain lube if that makes any difference.

Pete

[Huzo]

No idea of the brand. Its whatever came on the bike. I do lube it every 600-1000 miles though. Not a big deal, especially if you have a centerstand, I don't, just a race stand. I been using Motul chain lube if that makes any difference.

Pete

Pretty damn impressive.
I've never managed that far between adjustments, but good for you.

[jas67]

When I see that bike I see a possible competitor to the middle weight dual sport segment. 800 Triumph XC, 650 V Stroms, and BMW 800 GS's. If the weight comes in at under 500 lbs it could be a contender. Might not match them in pure power but it has something neither of them has. A Guzzi V twin.

Pete

At 80 HP, it certainly does match the BMW 800GS (85 HP) and 650 V Strom (70-75HP?).    The 800 Triumph is 95 HP, still in the same ball park.

[PeteS]

Just another data point. The registration for my '76 850 LeMans reads 450 lbs. Thats with a steel tank, plastic fenders  and sidecovers, fiberglass actually. I don't see why this bike couldn't come in well under 500 lbs as well, especially if they used the engine as a stress member. I am sure carbs weigh more than injectors too.

Pete

[Chuck in Indiana]

Just another data point. The registration for my '76 850 LeMans reads 450 lbs. Thats with a steel tank, plastic fenders  and sidecovers, fiberglass actually. I don't see why this bike couldn't come in well under 500 lbs as well, especially if they used the engine as a stress member. I am sure carbs weigh more than injectors too.

Pete

I'll bet your 850 LeMans doesn't come in well under 500 lbs. 

I don't think so. "The Book" sez the Monza weighs 160kg dry. That translates to 352.7 lbs. Mine is bone stock and weighs 378.6.
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[keener]

Pretty damn impressive.
I've never managed that far between adjustments, but good for you.

Just to throw in here, i have experienced similar performance from my chain drive bikes , after initial adjustment on a new chain after say 3000 km if needed... i would do another at 15000km . Quality chain helps for sure but maintenance is needed
 cleaning and lube helps for long chain/sprocket life  its a bit of a pain compared to a shaft drive forsure,  but it for me would not be a deal breaker when looking at a bike i had interest in.
I would bet that belt drive would have some advantages as well.
   

[Matteo]

Well I understand the shaft drive system is a pig comparing to the chain system.

I beg to differ.
Tell that to Dr. John and Guareschi. And Ed Milich regularly thrashes chain drive bikes in his class.

[keener]

I beg to differ.
Tell that to Dr. John and Guareschi.

well tell that to Ducati , Kawasaki, Suzuki, and all others that use chain drive on high performance current and winning motorcycles, racing and other wise.
Fact is chain drive wins when it comes to HP  loss to the back wheel and the ability to alter gearing easier ..
Dr. John and Guareschi had to deal with what was available from Guzzi at the time which was Shaft drive and kudos to them .
I have nothing against Shaft drive motorcycles , in fact its probably the way to go for bikes intended for ease of maintenance and touring duties in which Guzzi , BMW, and others have adopted .
my 2 cents
Cheers

[pikipiki]

No sign or mention of v85 on the Guzzi stand at Motorcycle Live NEC Birmingham? Carbon/Rough/Milano were there along with a Stone, a Special, V9 Bobber, MGX-21 (don't touch this bike sign) and one other 1400 you could touch/sit on. No Roamer, no V85. It was possible to enter a free prize draw for �500 discount off Guzzi Merchandise, whatever that means, I didn't bother. Not a lot to get excited about else where either. Some very sensible new kawasakis like the Versys X 300. Cafe Racer version of  Suzuki 650 V twin. Fabric caballero looks good in either 250 or 500 (450) form if the price turns out to be low enough. I was most impressed by the Energica Eva esse esse 9. E bike (Shame about the price though)

[PeteS]

I'll bet your 850 LeMans doesn't come in well under 500 lbs. 

I don't think so. "The Book" sez the Monza weighs 160kg dry. That translates to 352.7 lbs. Mine is bone stock and weighs 378.6.
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Chuck, how much can you afford to loose?
Just weighed mine using the trusty bathroom scale trick. FYI the scale is within 2 lbs at 200 lbs compared to ones at the gym.
Front wheel 196 lbs, rear wheel 214, empty tank not on the bike 15 lbs. , garden tractor battery not in the bike 17 lbs. total minus gas 442 lbs. with 5 gal gas @ 6 lbs / gal 472.
If the V85 comes in at 472 wet I would be more than happy.

Pete

[Chuck in Indiana]

Pete, I can't argue.. except for me it's hard to imagine the Monza weighing more on a certified scale than a 850 big block. The Lario was pushing 500 lbs pretty hard. The one that surprised me was the Scura at a little over 500. I've always figured all big block Guzzis weigh 550. 

[Viker]

I kinda like it. Give or take that beaky mudguard.

On paper it seems to be what I was looking for when I chose my Stelvio. It's closer to the weight and capacity I was looking for, presumably with the Stelvio character I couldn't walk away from.

Assuming the ergonomics and the test ride pass muster, then I would almost certainly have chosen this bike over the Stelvio and every other bike available.

Now that I already have a Stelvio, and I'm exceedingly happy with it, I hope the V85 Avventura sells like hot cakes, but I'm not shopping.

[redrider90]

From Rider online this concept Guzzi with a claimed HP at 80 HP.
http://ridermagazine.com/2017/11/13/moto-guzzi-releases-images-of-upcoming-adventure-bike-teases-new-v7-iii-models/

[Kev m]

Haven't posted in a while I see. [emoji6]

[slopokes]

I’ll take two

[Lannis]

It's actually worse than that....all CARC bikes have been cut from the lineup.  No Stelvio, Norge, or Griso in 2017 or later.  Any on the floor now are left over NOS that dealers are stuck with.

You know, this sort of sounds bad, but then I realized ...

I've owned 33 different bikes since 1970, and EVERY SINGLE ONE of them has been discontinued, sometimes before I owned one, sometimes while I owned one, and sometimes after I owned one.

The bike model that I ride most often after my Guzzi and Triumph is a BSA.   The model I own was discontinued 50 years ago, and the whole company went TU in the most spectacular way 45 years ago ... and the motorcycle world keeps wagging along.    Ride the old ones, ride some different kind of new one, and the past is behind us ....

So if the CARC bikes have gone the way of the Roundheads and Loopframes, well, all right then ....

Lannis

[LowRyter]

I beg to differ.
Tell that to Dr. John and Guareschi. And Ed Milich regularly thrashes chain drive bikes in his class.

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still racin'

http://www.piaggiogroup.com/en/archive/press/moto-guzzi-triumphs-guareschi-brothers-imola-4-hour-vintage-endurance-race

[keener]

still racin'

http://www.piaggiogroup.com/en/archive/press/moto-guzzi-triumphs-guareschi-brothers-imola-4-hour-vintage-endurance-race

    in this class you betcha ....gotta love vintage racing ...