V85 TT Merged Threadfest

[JohninVT]

Pretty damn impressive.
I've never managed that far between adjustments, but good for you.

I always laugh when Guzzi owners complain about chain maintenance but claim adjusting valves every six thousand miles is a great thing because it connects them to the machine.  X-ring chains last a long time and require minimal maintenance.  I adjusted the oem chain on my Vstrom 1000 3 Times.  Once at 500 miles, once at 10k and again at 20k.  I changed it at 25k.  I hammered that bike and rode two up all the Time.  I checked the valves once at 15,000 and they didn�t need adjusting.  My California 1400 will need the valves checked 4 Times in 25,000 miles and the final drive and transmission oil will have to be changed.  It�s all relative.  I�m happy to have a Guzzi again but I definitely didn�t buy it because it�s low maintenance...becau se it�s not.

[jas67]

Yes, Guzzis need frequent valve adjustments, but, its what, a 30 min. job that most home mechanics can do?

It takes way longer than that to remove all the body work, air box, and various plumbing to even see the top of the cylinder head of a typical inline four Japanese bike.    Total time to do valve clearance on a typical sport bike is what, 4-5 hours, plus, if you don't have the shims on hand you have to order them and wait for them to arrive, all the while, the bike sits there, apart, not able to be ridden.

The same applies to a V-strom, though, I haven't worked on one of them to know how long it takes to do the job, but, I'd venture to say, at least 2 hours.   So, a 2 hour job every 24k miles vs. a 30 min. job every 6k miles?   Sounds like a wash to me.

[wavedog]

Adjusting the valves on a V-Strom is not a big deal once you get to them. There is the rub. The first time I did it, it took me ten full hours to remove all the bodywork, adjust the valves, new airfilter, new fuel filter and put it all back together. That was with a friend guiding me who is a Suzuki mechanic. Yes I am slow, but that was a lot of work. The Jackal is a cake walk in comparison.

[Aaron D.]

I've owned mostly Guzzis in my life. Yes valves are frequently adjusted (probably over-done by most members here too) but I've done the other end-infrequent intervals but cams out. Sort of balances.

What doesn't-clutches, I've done 5, maybe more. Pretty much takes up a day, or a weekend depending on mood-compared to under 2 ours on a Morini or even a Laverda or, I imagine, any number of transverse crank bikes.

[JohninVT]

DL1000�s are VTwins with gear driven cams.  It takes an hour to check them.  Another hour or hour and a half to adjust.  They never move after the first check at 15k.  Many, many of them have over 100k with only one adjustment needed.  There�s a guy with 500k on one and he�s never been inside the engine. 

It�s very common to get 30k from an x ring chain.  Over the long haul its much cheaper to run a chain drive, shim under bucket bike than a shaft drive Guzzi.  Even more so if you pay to have the bike serviced.  I was quoted $700 to have the 12k service done on my California.  In the 25k I rode my Vstrom, I didn�t spend that much for two sets of tires, chain, sprockets and the valve check.  In fact, I probably didn�t spend that much even including the 5 oil changes. 

[bpreynolds]

Yes, Guzzis need frequent valve adjustments, but, its what, a 30 min. job that most home mechanics can do?.

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The last shim/bucket adjustment I did on a bike, I swore it would be my last.  MGs are stone cold simple and I personally would take that adjustment every 6k miles or so rather than ever doing it period on most other bikes. 

[bad Chad]

I generally check my lash every year, and I don't usually get to 6K miles before the season ends.  That being said, I don't think I need to, they don't seem to change much at all.  I have 07 1100 and I'm sure it would be fine just checking every 10k or so.

[Tom]

I always laugh when Guzzi owners complain about chain maintenance but claim adjusting valves every six thousand miles is a great thing because it connects them to the machine.  X-ring chains last a long time and require minimal maintenance.  I adjusted the oem chain on my Vstrom 1000 3 Times.  Once at 500 miles, once at 10k and again at 20k.  I changed it at 25k.  I hammered that bike and rode two up all the Time.  I checked the valves once at 15,000 and they didn�t need adjusting.  My California 1400 will need the valves checked 4 Times in 25,000 miles and the final drive and transmission oil will have to be changed.  It�s all relative.  I�m happy to have a Guzzi again but I definitely didn�t buy it because it�s low maintenance...becau se it�s not.

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[Mr Pootle]

I’ve just shown my twenty eight year old daughter a photo of the V85. She likes the look of my V7ll. As for the V85 she thinks it looks like a transformer or something that a 15 year old would ride on the school playing field.

[kingoffleece]

The cost matters very little to me, not that you asked.
The Guzzis I have are the most satisfying and fun to ride bikes I've ever been on either owned, demo'd, or borrowed.

[PeteS]

I always laugh when Guzzi owners complain about chain maintenance but claim adjusting valves every six thousand miles is a great thing because it connects them to the machine.  X-ring chains last a long time and require minimal maintenance.  I adjusted the oem chain on my Vstrom 1000 3 Times.  Once at 500 miles, once at 10k and again at 20k.  I changed it at 25k.  I hammered that bike and rode two up all the Time.  I checked the valves once at 15,000 and they didn�t need adjusting.  My California 1400 will need the valves checked 4 Times in 25,000 miles and the final drive and transmission oil will have to be changed.  It�s all relative.  I�m happy to have a Guzzi again but I definitely didn�t buy it because it�s low maintenance...becau se it�s not.

Not sure why the 1400s are so different from the V11s. I checked the valves on my '98 EV at 500, 2500, and 5000 miles and they were within .001. After that I just checked them every couple of years. They rarely changed averaging 10k miles a year. Given the screw adjusters its a 15 minute job anyway.
Shims and buckets are a PITA by comparison.

Pete

[JJ]

...and YES...I too, would love to own this new Moto Guzzi V85!  80HP and red frame!  Lovely!! :1:












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[guzzisteve]

Well, I look at how it comes apart and goes back together. It looks crabable.

[LowRyter]

I'll believe it when I see it.

[M0T0Geezer]

Moto Guzzi USA website is all abuzz over their new "V85" offering:

http://discoverv85.motoguzzi.com/en/

Lots of Pomp & Circumstance and very short on fyi.  No price, no specs...



Yet the final paragraph does give us this tantalizing tidbit:

"The engine is a two-cylinder 90° transverse air-cooled 850cc which, thanks to its complete redesign, has 80 HP of maximum power. A truly rewarding performance is assured on every route as well as guaranteeing to the V85 all the character and responsive acceleration Moto Guzzi is famed for."

Give me that 80hp 850cc motor in a 3/4 size Norge, or Sport 850, or Breva 850 and you'll pry open my cold, dead pocketbook.

'Geezer

[Matteo]

Portland dealer says he’s going to the factory next mont to check it out.

[Kev m]

MotoG ha ha what rock have you been living under since EICMA (what was that November?!?).

[slopokes]

I have on order the first five to come into the states——— in may 😢

[fotoguzzi]

thanks to its complete redesign, wanna bet?

[Huzo]

Jeez there's gunna be a lot of humble pie being gutsed, if they finally surface.

[LowRyter]

must run some serious RPMs to get that power.  8k?  8.5?

[arveno]

80 HP ??

Thank you for the laugh....

[fotoguzzi]

80 HP ??

Thank you for the laugh....

Arveno,  THANKYOU! for the extra laugh..

[fossil]

must run some serious RPMs to get that power.  8k?  8.5?

Since when ist that high? In 2018? From an engine engineered by Aprilia?

[Kev m]

I swear to gawd sometimes I think half of you would piss on the second coming...

"WTF isn't Jesus wearing any shoes?"

 

[ohiorider]

Maybe its rev limiter failed during the dyno run, and she spun up to 14000 rpm or so. 

Actually, for a middleweight Adventure Tourer, not a bad looking ride.

Bob

[twowings]

Horsepower is perhaps the most over-hyped, overstated, and overrated measurement of a powerplant's capabilities...like penis size or IQ, what you can actually do with it is much more important...no one NEEDS an 80HP ADV bike...

[Gliderjohn]

My mildly modified T-3 puts out a measured 56.5 hp at the wheel, my Norge 8V probably around 80-85. In everyday riding there really isn't any practical difference. The T-3 will accelerate two up with luggage better than many cars and can still be exciting when ridden hard. The Norge just does it faster yet.
GliderJohn

[JJ]

Portland dealer says he�s going to the factory next mont to check it out.

So do we know that this model is coming to the states?!?  (I like it as well...) :1: 

I am also with Geezer on this one!! :1:

QUOTE:  Give me that 80hp 850cc motor in a 3/4 size Norge, or Sport 850, or Breva 850 and you'll pry open my cold, dead pocketbook. - - 'Geezer

[rtbickel]

I could buy 80 hp at the crank, probably about 60 at the wheel.  Will probably buy one in any event.