V85 TT Merged Threadfest

[blu guzz]

congrats, i hope to see you around the area.  i went to the kansas wild guzzi rally.  i packed 5 pairs of gloves, 2 pairs of shoes in addition to my boots, full rain gear, a spare pair of pants, changes of underwear, a hoodie, cigars, booze, water, snacks and still had room left.  camping gear in dry bag on seat.  then there is the magic button (cruise).  you will love it

[aproud1]

congrats, i hope to see you around the area.  i went to the kansas wild guzzi rally.  i packed 5 pairs of gloves, 2 pairs of shoes in addition to my boots, full rain gear, a spare pair of pants, changes of underwear, a hoodie, cigars, booze, water, snacks and still had room left.  camping gear in dry bag on seat.  then there is the magic button (cruise).  you will love it

Thats a lot of gloves!

Yeah. Testing cruise really blew me away. The side case are almost double what I'm used to.

[blu guzz]

battery powered warm gloves - used;
regular thinsulate cold weather gloves - used;
cowhide medium gloves - used;
perforated summer gloves - used;
waterproof rain gloves - used.

Travelling in May is never predictable.

[greer]

Hey blu guzz,

Thanks again for letting us pick your brain in Cedar Vale, Doug bought a Centenario last week.  Sloan's was the first dealership to call back with a '21 in stock, so away we went.

Sarah

[Huzo]

I like the red frame but I would also like to see the V85 photoshopped in the colors described above by Huzo.

Like this one..?

[egschade]

Mine has a red frame with grey bodywork. Jim Hamlin put it together for me when he couldn't source a base model but had an Adventure available along with the grey bits.

[blu guzz]

greer:  nice to put names to faces with you and doug.  i am going to the virginia rally with my son later in june at willville.  i hope i don't have to pack cold weather gear again.

[Trialsman]

Congrats on the new bike.  I have had mine for two years and loved it so much I bought the Centenario (also from Cadre).  Here is when I brought it home and before I started making my usual modifications.





The yellow, white, red color was flashy but I think I will like this, more subdued version, even more.  Great all around bike in any color though.

[aproud1]

Congrats on the new bike.  I have had mine for two years and loved it so much I bought the Centenario (also from Cadre).  Here is when I brought it home and before I started making my usual modifications.





The yellow, white, red color was flashy but I think I will like this, more subdued version, even more.  Great all around bike in any color though.

Sharp!

I bought my Adventure with the plan of having the panels and fender painted. While the color has grown on me I woke up this morning thinking about colors that would work with my red frame.

[Chethro]

I think the 2021 black bodywork would look great with the red frame. That may be the route I go if I get tired of the white/red.

[greer]

Thanks everybody, Doug has been all smiles since buying the bike.  We put in a 400 mile day Thursday and his only complaint was the stout throttle spring.  He's been studying the remedy thread and has decided to start with an o-ring at the end of the grip to see if a bit of friction will help.  Like some of you have said, it's not so much twisting the throttle but holding it. 

Sarah

[aproud1]

I think the 2021 black bodywork would look great with the red frame. That may be the route I go if I get tired of the white/red.

Definitely agree. Going to stop by and see how much custom paint would be. Otherwise might order the nero etna parts.

[Chethro]

A crappy photo hack, but you get the idea.

[aproud1]

A crappy photo hack, but you get the idea.

I think it looks good. I started out dead set on changing my color scheme but mine continues to grow on me. Not to mention that money could be better spent on other farkles.

[Matteo]

Congrats on the new bike.  I have had mine for two years and loved it so much I bought the Centenario (also from Cadre).  Here is when I brought it home and before I started making my usual modifications.





The yellow, white, red color was flashy but I think I will like this, more subdued version, even more.  Great all around bike in any color though.

How do you like the updated torque delivery?

[Trialsman]

How do you like the updated torque delivery?

I have only limited riding time on the new bike as I am installing a lot of modifications right now.  So far it seemed to have better punch off the bottom, but I will report back with more after this weekend.  I am doing wiring today.  I just texted Enzo to ask if there is, and the location of, a blank connector for switched power somewhere in the harness.

[DesmoDog]

I have only limited riding time on the new bike as I am installing a lot of modifications right now.  So far it seemed to have better punch off the bottom, but I will report back with more after this weekend.  I am doing wiring today.  I just texted Enzo to ask if there is, and the location of, a blank connector for switched power somewhere in the harness.

There is a switched connector that's used for the optional USB port under the seat. A lot of guys (me) use it to power the lead to their GPS.

[Trialsman]

That's what I did on my other V85 but I couldn't see it.  I removed the battery and it was stuffed way down underneath so all is well now.  Thanks.

[Tusayan]

I’d be interested in the new ‘sport’ and ‘custom’ riding modes added for 2021. I’ve picked up a barely used 2020 and the only thing I’m having any issue with is the relatively soft throttle response.  In some situations, for example blipping the throttle for downshifts, it takes an unusual amount of twist grip movement in an unloaded situation where a cable throttle would be highly sensitive to small movements of the throttle.  I’ll get used to it, and really like the bike to ride otherwise: it rides like a slightly heavier cross between an R100GS and a Guzzi, with some ‘modern’ electronics added, for better or worse.

[aproud1]

I’d be interested in the new ‘sport’ and ‘custom’ riding modes added for 2021. I’ve picked up a barely used 2020 and the only thing I’m having any issue with is the relatively soft throttle response.  In some situations, for example blipping the throttle for downshifts, it takes an unusual amount of twist grip movement in an unloaded situation where a cable throttle would be highly sensitive to small movements of the throttle.  I’ll get used to it, and really like the bike to ride otherwise: it rides like a slightly heavier cross between an R100GS and a Guzzi, with some ‘modern’ electronics added, for better or worse.

The was a new fuel map sometime in 2020. Might be worth seeing if a dealer can check/update your ECU? My 2020 was a late model and had whatever updates and I do not experience really any fueling issues besides crappy MPG on the highway.

[Tusayan]

Just to be clear, I am not describing a fueling issue.  What I’m describing is the relationship between twist grip rotation and throttle plate movement in Road mode.  Many injected bikes with large throttle bodies and cable throttles feel a bit jumpy or oversensitive to the throttle control, particularly at low speed and I suppose in response to this they softened the throttle sensitivity in ‘throttle by wire’ tuning on the V85TT.  I think they went a bit too far, and note that this is a manually programmable parameter in ‘Custom’ mode on the 2021 bikes.

[mondtster]

Just to be clear, I am not describing a fueling issue.  What I’m describing is the relationship between twist grip rotation and throttle plate movement in Road mode.  Many injected bikes with large throttle bodies and cable throttles feel a bit jumpy or oversensitive to the throttle control, particularly at low speed and I suppose in response to this they softened the throttle sensitivity in ‘throttle by wire’ tuning on the V85TT.  I think they went a bit too far, and note that this is a manually programmable parameter in ‘Custom’ mode on the 2021 bikes.

You could change the tables in the 2020 MY ECU if you used the 7SM reader/writer and TunerPro to edit the file in the ECU and have similar results. The tools needed are on the GuzziDiag webpage.

I looked at the first and second revision of the software (haven't seen the third) and the throttle tables appear to be the same for all 3 modes. That backs up what I've experienced as well, which is that I can't really tell any difference in the performance in the different riding modes under the same (ideal) conditions.

[Tusayan]

Good info, thanks.

[vntgmx]

Added some Giant Loop soft saddlebags to my 2020 V85TT Adventure. Nice stuff and fit great on the stock racks.








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[egschade]

Just to be clear, I am not describing a fueling issue.  What I’m describing is the relationship between twist grip rotation and throttle plate movement in Road mode.  Many injected bikes with large throttle bodies and cable throttles feel a bit jumpy or oversensitive to the throttle control, particularly at low speed and I suppose in response to this they softened the throttle sensitivity in ‘throttle by wire’ tuning on the V85TT.  I think they went a bit too far, and note that this is a manually programmable parameter in ‘Custom’ mode on the 2021 bikes.

I agree that the rotation/travel is a bit much. I find myself having to reposition my hand on the throttle if I don't grab enough when taking off from a stop. Using the Throttle Rocker reminds me to do that.

[Huzo]

I agree that the rotation/travel is a bit much. I find myself having to reposition my hand on the throttle if I don't grab enough when taking off from a stop. Using the Throttle Rocker reminds me to do that.

I’m not trying to belittle your statement egschade, but really...?
It’s 90 degrees from fully closed to fully open..(or close to it).
Is it because the throttle is too heavy, that you wish the range was less ?

[Moto Vita]

I’m not trying to belittle your statement egschade, but really...?
It’s 90 degrees from fully closed to fully open..(or close to it).
Is it because the throttle is too heavy, that you wish the range was less ?

 I would think that on a fly by wire system one could wire up a momentary toggle switch if so desired and have a true on/off throttle.

[Huzo]

I would think that on a fly by wire system one could wire up a momentary toggle switch if so desired.

I actually don’t follow the suggestion Moto.

[Trialsman]

Huzo's method for reducing the throttle spring rate makes a marked improvement.  I am glad I did it.

[Tusayan]

It’s 90 degrees from fully closed to fully open..(or close to it).
Is it because the throttle is too heavy, that you wish the range was less ?

I think you’re missing the point: the throttle sensitivity is not constant across that 90 degrees of movement.  The issue as I notice it is that when I’m braking hard with right hand, throttle closed, and simultaneously downshifting, it is not easy to blip the throttle for downshifts using the same hand.  This is because when nearly closed the twist grip needs to rotated I’d guess 2 or 3 times as far to raise the engine RPM as it would have to be with a cable throttle.  That lack of sensitivity is apparently programmed out at higher power settings, throttle by wire allows software to produce an effect analogous to having an exaggerated snail cam on the throttle drum of a cable throttle.

I know throttle sensitivity can be reprogrammed in 2021 ‘custom’ mode (because Guzzi literature says so) but I’m also curious whether the new ‘sport’ mode has already done what I’m suggesting when compared to ‘road’ mode.