Freshly serviced breva dies on side of the road.. Your guess?

[Bridget]

Electrical problems are the worst.  You have my sympathies.

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

My recomendation.

Step 1.  Turn the ignition switch to the on position with the gas cap open while listening for the fuel pump to work for a few seconds and watch for bubbling/swirling gas (since you just refueled the tank, might be kind of hard to tell).  If you hear the fuel pump run for a few seconds, that is good and you know it is getting a proper signal.  If you see gas swirling around, that is a sign of a hose loose on the fuel pump.
Step 2.  Hit the start button and let the ECU cycle all the way through the start sequence (don't turn it back off unless the starter runs for an extended period of time, as it will turn the starter motor something like 4 seconds and quit on its own if the bike does not start).  If no start, pull out a spark plug and check it for being wet with gas.

This will tell you if it is a fuel issue and what I would do first since it is so easy.  The red triangle of death warning that popped up once, if I read/understood your report correctly, could be a nonrelated issue like the oil pressure sending unit not reading properly.  

Also, download a PDF of your service manual, Guzzitech has then on-line, and read up on how to enter the diagnostics code and interpret the fault codes, recording them for future reference.  On my Breva, I would periodically clear the codes after recording them to see what popped up once or was a repeat offender that needed attention.

Good luck and wish I was close enough to come help you rescue yor Guzzi.  Note, I've had help pushing a bike up the ramps into my truck from passers by more than once.  Seems most guys would be willing to help if asked, gives them something to tell their friends about later at the bar!   ;-T

DING DING DING

looks like a gas tornado in there, matey

So now I know one of the fuel lines is off..  Thats simple enough to fix

Too bad I have to push it up a huge hill back to the house to pull the tank and fix it :-/

Im going to be really pissed if he used the chintzy clamps that came with the filter instead or the Otelikker (ear clamps) fancy clamps that guzzisteve recommended...  Those were a PITA to find but i got them and put them in the box with the fuel filter when I dropped it off!

[Wayne Orwig]

DING DING DING

looks like a gas tornado in there, matey

So now I know one of the fuel lines is off..  Thats simple enough to fix

Too bad I have to push it up a huge hill back to the house to pull the tank and fix it :-/

Im going to be really pissed if he used the chintzy clamps that came with the filter instead or the Otelikker (ear clamps) fancy clamps that guzzisteve recommended...  Those were a PITA to find but i got them and put them in the box with the fuel filter when I dropped it off!

Bummer, but at least it isn't a major problem.
If it is still at the bottom of the hill this weekend let me know. I may be heading up that way this weekend.
Call them and give them hell. Maybe they'll throw out something to compensate you. Maybe loan you a Cal 1400 for a day.  :BEER:

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

Well I got it pushed up the hill and to the house whew


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[Mayor_of_BBQ]

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[Triple Jim]

Wow, that's a lot of fuel churning around!

You said you say Brev-ah and not Breeve-ah because the latte is brev-ay.  Then you said Goo-zee.  Does this mean you order a pepperoni pee-za?  Sorry, but you brought it up.   ;D

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

Brevé Latte
Gootzee Breva


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[oldbike54]

I'm betting that after pushing the Breva up the hill he was calling it something else .
Dusty


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[Kev m]

SWEET (but sucks if it was the tech's fault and not just dumb luck).... Still, it's gotta feel good to find it!

[Vasco DG]

Doesn't explain the 'Service' message though........

[guzzisteve]

That shop has all the right parts and clamps, at least w/I was there, should be all stock stuff. You could also use fuel injection clams w/the screw on the side. They have curved edges and tighten round. Auto parts store. OR if you have the stock clamps the store sells the tool to clamp it, it's for the clamp on front wheel drive boots.

[Kev m]

Doesn't explain the 'Service' message though........

That's what was making me lean toward something electrical. BUT, if she stalls because of low fuel pressure can't the ECM get one or more signals from one of the sensors to cause it to temporarily set a trouble code?

[Vasco DG]

I don't rightly know but I can say that I've never seen a deader from the fuel hose popping off throw up any kind of error or service message and I've seen a few. Doesn't mean it can't happen, just that I've never seen it.

Any-which-way if replacing/refitting the hose works? So much the better.

FWIW almost every failure I've encountered the owner has just filled up with petrol when the hose pops off. I can only suppose that its related to the sudden change in temperature somehow but once again that is pure speculation....(Shrug.)

Pete

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

Out of dozens of attempts to start it.. I only got the svc warning once...  It does have a Breva dash afterall.. and I have gotten the service warning randomly before.. along with a couple times weird stuff like the indictor wont turn off while riding in the rain...  So I am hoping the service light was a fluke

[biking sailor]

Out of dozens of attempts to start it.. I only got the svc warning once...  It does have a Breva dash afterall.. and I have gotten the service warning randomly before.. along with a couple times weird stuff like the indictor wont turn off while riding in the rain...  So I am hoping the service light was a fluke

Same with mine on the service warning lights occasionally coming on and also the left turn signal after riding in the rain for extended periods.  Sorry about the fuel line coming off.  It is a pain to deal with, but glad it is something simple and inexpensive to fix!   ;-T

[Wayne Orwig]

Key off key on
No service light, normal needle sweep, but hit start button clunk then nothing

Not sure how this fits in with a fuel line off.

[dilligaf]

Had a similar problem with a 1998 Ducati ST2.   :BEER:
Matt

[biking sailor]

Not sure how this fits in with a fuel line off.

Did you miss the part that this is the Breva 1100, "startus interuptus" and all the fun part of the "ECU with it's own mind" kind of thing.  That is why I hard wired a starting button under the seat to always make sure I could spin the starter, even though it had the added relay wire fix.  Just some of the "character" of those bikes.   ;D   :BEER:

[oldbike54]

Maybe Kckershovel is on to something . Laughing here.
Dusty


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[Mayor_of_BBQ]

Ok got my tank off and I'm inside


Found that the hose from the intake point had in fact popped off

I reclamped that in place using a screw down clamp instead of the locking clamp


The hose to barb was a very loose connection. Further odd was that the hose 'upstream' from the filter was a plastic accordion tube... The hose on the intake side looks like air type rubber hose


This seemed odd?!? Also it seemed damn near impossible to get the assembly back in the tank.

I look close at the rubber hose on the intake side... It clearly says NOT FOR FUE



So my conclusion is that the Rider's Hill Mechanic not only subbed a piece of hose too short for the application... It's ALSO too large ID to prevent blow-off... AND....

It's not even a hose for use with gas!!!

So looking at this, no way it's  the stock config and the mechanic has f-ed me over big time?  That's all I can guess??


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[Mayor_of_BBQ]

Please feel free to chime in I'm going to get more tubing and fix this for good!


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[Vasco DG]

Gates make a fully submersible hose. Its actually made in Turkey! At least the stuff we get here is. I've got a pic somewhere of the bag it comes in. Its expensive, about $45AU for about eight inches, but it works. I took the pic to keep the part #. I'll try and dig it out for you.

Pete.

[Triple Jim]

It looks like the Gate submersible hose is about $20 per foot here.

[Chuck in Indiana]

No no no...pay no attention to VDG.  ;D We have fuel injection hose here in the *Stites*.  It's not cheap, but nothing like that. A few dollars a foot. Be sure to use fuel injection clamps, too. They will have rolled edges to keep from cutting the hose.

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

I went to O'riley and got fuel hose that says 50psi working pressure? Will that cut it?


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[guzzisteve]

your screw clamp is the wrong kind of clamp for that line. You need FI clamps, they stay round.

What is the SAE #??   Should be 30R10 I think

[rodekyll]

Standard fuel injection hose is only needed for the high pressure loop -- between the pump and the injectors.  You've got 2.5bar (~42-45#) potential there.  Everywhere else is well within pressure specs for standard fuel hose (<15# unless tank venting gets out of control).  I point that out because injection hose is prone to sidewall checkering and cracking more than standard hose is.  I replace my high pressure hose about 3-1.  So I use good marine-grade stuff (because it's an exposed and often gunky environment) and use the right grade per application.

Fuel injection hose, fuel hose and immersible fuel hose are all different animals.  The Gates marine grade submersible fuel injection hose is good for ethynol and 100# pressure, and costs about $20/ft up here.  but a foot will do a lot of in-tank work, so the investment is worth the peace of mind.   It's a very stiff hose over small (inches) of length and can be hard to fit on oversized spigots without boiling the ends or using a heat gun to soften the tube.  It's one reason why folks are unwilling to use it in that tight space and on those fittings, even though it's the right stuff for the job.  I can't imagine a shop doing the 'fix' without it.

The accordian hose seems to be a good idea where it's being used -- it's working on mine.  I was skeptical of it splitting when I really cinched it up because of its plastic feel, but it is holding up well (since 2008).  

The stats are facts per Gates -- all else $0.02

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

Well I think I'm done for the night



I've used Gates hose 5/16" rated to 50psi working pressure.

Banded rolled edge clamps

I left the hose extra long so I can load the filter in 1st.. I will prob zip-tie the hoses to the shaft loosely

Hopefully riding tomorrow!

You guys are awesome thanks for all the help so far


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[Charles in Lake Charles]

Get the SAE 30R10 submersible fuel Hose/Fuel Hose.  Regular fuel injection hose will turn to mush over a long period of time.

[Cam3512]

 When my fuel line popped off alongside the highway last fall, my tank was low on gas.  Same symptoms, but I couldn't see anything swirling around.  This was after the dealer switched out the hoses and clamps when prepping the new bike.  Wrong hoses, wrong clamps....