Author Topic: Freshly serviced breva dies on side of the road.. Your guess? (Read 28058 times)

Chuck in Indiana · « **Reply #60 on:** March 16, 2014, 08:04:33 AM »

I didn't know about the *submersible* rating on F.I. hoses. Thanks, RK, and others..

CalVin2007 · « **Reply #61 on:** March 16, 2014, 08:16:08 AM »

Quote from: Charles in LC on March 16, 2014, 05:15:12 AM

Get the SAE 30R10 submersible fuel Hose/Fuel Hose. Regular fuel injection hose will turn to mush over a long period of time.

This is fact. When I bought my '07 CalVin used with 7000 on the clock I pulled the tank to check the hoses (thanks WG!) They'd been replaced....with Gates hose rated 30R7 or 30R9 FI hose (don't remember which) and were "this" close to coming off again even with good clamps. VERY soft and delaminating. I bought the 30R10 submersible hose and now after 11000 miles the hoses look like new and are tight.

Terry

Zoom Zoom · « **Reply #62 on:** March 16, 2014, 09:21:49 AM »

Ok I see you replaced your original replacement clamp with the proper type. A question about the hose: Did you get submersible fuel line hose? YES, that is important. As important as it being fuel injection hose, which of course you did consider.

Please, I'm not trying to rain on your parade. Just save you another bit of aggravation like you have just gone through.

John Henry

edit, I see RK and others have already brought this to your attention, but I think it is worth repeating rather than me deleting my post.

Mayor_of_BBQ · « **Reply #63 on:** March 16, 2014, 11:00:01 AM »

At this point I've just put it all back together...

I used Gates Barricade hose rated for 50psi

It was only $1.99 /ft at O'Riley and it's fixed with FI hose clamps.

I will prob put about 2-3k miles on the bike this spring/summer...

I will do full fluid swaps, valves, etc at the end of '14 riding season so I'm gonna renew my roadside assistance and hope for the best.

I have a breather hose under there that will also need replacement in a few thousand miles....

So if it can hold for 3k I'll pull the tank and swap it out for full submersible hose with oetiker clamps then!

If not, it only takes an hour or so to pull it, mess with it and replace the tank... Even with roadside tools.

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Chuck in Indiana · « **Reply #64 on:** March 16, 2014, 11:27:27 AM »

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If not, it only takes an hour or so to pull it, mess with it and replace the tank...

Honestly, I'd rather to it in the comfort of the Guzzi Garage (tm).. After all it's fresh in your mind how to do it, and it will give you peace of mind this summer.

Mayor_of_BBQ · « **Reply #65 on:** March 16, 2014, 11:59:00 AM »

Quote from: Chuck in Indiana on March 16, 2014, 11:27:27 AM

Honestly, I'd rather to it in the comfort of the Guzzi Garage (tm).. After all it's fresh in your mind how to do it, and it will give you peace of mind this summer.

I have no garage; that's why I tried to schedule an appt with guzzisteve for 3mos and then decided to take it to Riders Hill

It wasn't that I couldn't do the repairs.. It sucks running in and out of the house for tools and working literally on my front steps.

I got the pump assy together last night but didn't put back in the tank..
When I got up this am it was raining all over my 'workspace' and open upside-down tank. I just had plastic wrap around a wadded towel blocking the tank hole!
My whole house stinks of gas and there were piles of various gas-soaked parts tools and towels all around.

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guzzisteve · « **Reply #66 on:** March 16, 2014, 12:20:32 PM »

I now have a shop bay secured for work but it's a 7am to 5pm weekday deal. Sometimes the place is slammed w/bodywork and my space goes away. It would be nice to have an understanding wife so I could do a few here at home. I do sneak in a few quickies from time to time if I can get away w/it.

Mayor_of_BBQ · « **Reply #67 on:** March 16, 2014, 12:30:19 PM »

Well steve I totally got that and no problem to me if you aren't able to fit me in. It's a good thing to be so busy that capacity becomes an issue!

I really wanted to do this service myself anyway ! That's why I wanted to work with steve. Do it myself but expert guidance.

Taking it to the dealer was a mistake.. On many levels. Let's just say that all the work was completed with a simular amount of care & attn as the fuel filter swap :-/

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CalVin2007 · « **Reply #68 on:** March 16, 2014, 02:50:53 PM »

Not trying to be a PITA.... I know it sucks to work in crummy conditions. But maybe it'd be worth it to get some 30R10 submersible hose now and forget about it. I looked up the Barricade hose and on Gates' site and the note at the bottom says "do not submerse in gasoline".

http://www.gates.com/products/automotive/passenger-car-and-light-truck/fuel-system/barricade-fuel-injection-hose-mpi



  Terry

Chuck in Indiana · « **Reply #69 on:** March 16, 2014, 05:28:13 PM »

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I do sneak in a few quickies from time to time if I can get away w/it.

Pffft. Who doesn't? ~; ;D

Cam3512 · « **Reply #70 on:** March 16, 2014, 06:58:36 PM »

Do it NOW while you have the pump out! My bike died in the left lane of the slab doing 80. By sheer luck it was clear for me to swerve over to the shoulder. Thank goodness I had two riding buddies to make the repair. I didn't have all the tools needed to remove the pump, and borrowed them from a guy who stopped in a pickup. Murphy's law. NOT FUN!

Cam

Mayor_of_BBQ · « **Reply #71 on:** March 20, 2014, 06:31:06 PM »

Well back at it after I got all the bits and pieces in the mail

Oetiker clamp assortment: $17 Amazon Prime

Gates correct hose $18 Amazon Prime

The pliers are Advance Auto 'CV boot clamping pliers' for $8.97

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Kev m · « **Reply #72 on:** March 20, 2014, 06:34:38 PM »

You won't regret it!

Mayor_of_BBQ · « **Reply #73 on:** March 20, 2014, 06:35:58 PM »

I do have a question right off the bat...

Where does this drain to?

I tried to fish it out with a bicycle shifter cable .8mm I think but it wasn't making the bends or either the drain is clogged

I looked on bottom of the tank, I can't see where it exits?

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Zoom Zoom · « **Reply #74 on:** March 20, 2014, 06:47:45 PM »

Originally, one drain tube goes to the evap system. The second went down toward the ground for an overflow. When I removed the charcoal canister on my Norge, I simply put both hoses into a T fitting and let both head toward the ground.

John Henry

Mayor_of_BBQ · « **Reply #75 on:** March 20, 2014, 06:49:30 PM »

Ok, NOW I'm ready

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Chuck in Indiana · « **Reply #76 on:** March 20, 2014, 06:50:33 PM »

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Well back at it after I got all the bits and pieces in the mail

Attaboy.. ;-T ;D

Zoom Zoom · « **Reply #77 on:** March 20, 2014, 06:52:32 PM »

Are you able to blow through the hoses? I **think** they plugged onto a fitting right there on the bottom of the tank. The internal part routes somehow from the top to where you have the hoses on the bottom. And yes, you may not be able to get a wire through there because of the bends.

John Henry

edit: You could also take some carb cleaner, insert the spray wand into the top and blow some carb cleaner through there if you think they are plugged.

Chuck in Indiana · « **Reply #78 on:** March 20, 2014, 06:58:15 PM »

Quote from: Zoom Zoom on March 20, 2014, 06:52:32 PM

Are you able to blow through the hoses? I **think** they plugged onto a fitting right there on the bottom of the tank. The internal part routes somehow from the top to where you have the hoses on the bottom. And yes, you may not be able to get a wire through there because of the bends.

John Henry

edit: You could also take some carb cleaner, insert the spray wand into the top and blow some carb cleaner through there if you think they are plugged.

I've read of them getting plugged.. no experience though.

Mayor_of_BBQ · « **Reply #79 on:** March 20, 2014, 07:15:52 PM »

Ok final time

Thanks guys, you rock

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Mayor_of_BBQ · « **Reply #80 on:** March 20, 2014, 09:04:52 PM »

Well she's back together, everything seems tight n right

Unfortunately the lil bitch still won't start.

Cranked twice, didn't kick.. That seemed normal, need to get some gas flowing back thru there..

Tried to start it again.. Clunk

Guess time to search startusinterruptus

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Mayor_of_BBQ · « **Reply #81 on:** March 21, 2014, 06:58:39 AM »

Well I have no joy here I'd be happy to hear any suggestions before I load it up and drive 6hrs round trip to riders hill & ruin my Saturday

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Cam3512 · « **Reply #82 on:** March 21, 2014, 07:15:04 AM »

How much gas did you put back in the tank? Fuel filter in proper direction? Plug in power to the pump?

guzzisteve · « **Reply #83 on:** March 21, 2014, 07:16:27 AM »

Do you have tank plugged in(elektrik)? Does it (pump) run, build pressure and shut off?
Do you have spark?

tris · « **Reply #84 on:** March 21, 2014, 07:27:56 AM »

Air lock or do you need to prime the pump?

Oh - and might be worth giving the battery a good coat of charging. It could be feeling a bit limp after the various attempts to start the bike. Electronics can get a bit "precious" if there is a drop in voltage

Mayor_of_BBQ · « **Reply #85 on:** March 21, 2014, 08:04:59 AM »

Battery showing fully charged

Yes wiring is plugged in

Can hear pump run when key is turned

Tank is about 1/4 full

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guzzisteve · « **Reply #86 on:** March 21, 2014, 08:15:43 AM »

Does the pump build pressure and shut off? If it doesn't crank you could jump across starter from Batt hot lead to spade connector on solenoid, it will crank.
For fuel check, just pull out an injector, it's 1 screw and it wiggles and pops out. See if it's squirting while cranking.

Wayne Orwig · « **Reply #87 on:** March 21, 2014, 08:23:37 AM »

Quote from: Mayor_of_BBQ on March 21, 2014, 08:04:59 AM

Battery showing fully charged

Yes wiring is plugged in

Can hear pump run when key is turned

Tank is about 1/4 full

Is the starter engaging and cranking the motor now?

Mayor_of_BBQ · « **Reply #88 on:** March 21, 2014, 09:06:11 AM »

Quote from: Wayne Orwig on March 21, 2014, 08:23:37 AM

Is the starter engaging and cranking the motor now?

Sometimes it clunks, sometimes it cranks and wont fire... Sometimes the service light comes on :-/

I'm at work now, thanks for the feedback guys... I will have a few hours of light when I get home to try all your suggestions before I load it up and head for Rider's Hill at 6am ON A SATURDAY WHEN I HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO

Kev m · « **Reply #89 on:** March 21, 2014, 09:08:25 AM »

So there was more than one problem here - both fuel (now solved) and electric (still an issue).

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