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"Service costs will be absurd" as a BMW owner i heartily endorse the above statement from pete. MY main objection to BMW's
Ugly can be good! But it has to be linked with practicality and fun. The R9Turd offers neither.
PLEASE don't even consider an R9T if you're looking to mount a decent windshield and/or hang saddlebags on it. That's not its design mission.It is a platform designed to be customized. I have seen an awful lot of customs built off the base R9T; most of them are quite good. Some make me scratch my head, wondering what the builder had in mind. The BMW "specials" built off the R9T range from pretty nice to spectacular.IF you want the performance qualities of the R9T but want (need?) to set it up for touring with windshield and bags, consider a camhead R1200R. Same engine; same grunt; more utility; touring-oriented tele lever front end.Several BMW acquaintances and I own them for just that reason, and feel they are perfect for that mission.Horses for courses and all that.Best,Carlo
Another perception then. Quite the opposite. I find the R9T a lot less 'nice' than the polished 8V and current V7 range - the R9T is more temperamental and rough. In a good way, a bit like the Triumph Speed Triple. The Pure, Racer and Urban G/S are also refreshingly free from compromises. I get the V7 keys when I want relaxed or just transportation, but I get the R9T when I want an engaging, focused ride. With the Griso gone and no new LeMans in sight Guzzi has nothing that can compete with the R9T.
The R9T certainly offers fun, and even practicality.H&B offers C-bow bag mounts, a rear rack (for top cases), and lock-it tang bag mounts.
How is shitty, non adjustable, 'One size fits all' suspension not a 'Compromise'? It's not Coventry in 1954! It's a global market in 2017! If you're happy with that? Fine. I prefer to keep moving forward rather than the 'One step forward, stagger back three!' epitomised by a clown's tricycle like the R9Toerag!I'm sure it's 'Cool' if you're into that sort of thing but to my mind it's still a miserable Teutonic turd with nothing going for it.Pete
Or a full on water cooled R1200RT. I test rode one a few weeks ago and the big girl was pretty nimble and comfortable. Brakes were about the best I have found.
Exactly....... And Carlo, you bring up a funny point. This sacred cow in motorcycles that suggests you shouldn't "ruin" certain bikes with bags or a windshield.Meh, a bike without bags is pretty much useless to me. And a shield of some type is usually a great comfort. I'd bag out an R9T in a heartbeat.Yeah the 1200R is a decent alternative too, but it's not the same thing, nor is the motor I thought, didn't it go water-cooled on the heads? That alone would make me pick the T.That said I'd take a V7, V9, or Harley CX Roadster first anyway.
Yeah the 1200R is a decent alternative too, but it's not the same thing, nor is the motor I thought, didn't it go water-cooled on the heads? That alone would make me pick the T.
The R1200R is water cooled (heads) starting in 2015 (maybe 2014, I forget). The previous post recommending the R1200R over the R9T for touring, windshields etc, specifically said the (not longer made) cam-head R1200R (2011-2014), which has the same motor the R9T.
Or the R1200RS -- lighter and sportier than the R1200RT, yet, still all-day comfortable.
Forgot about the new R1200RS. Great bike, I took a three hour test ride up Angeles Crest Highway. Very fun, only thing is the bike did not fit me as well as I would have thought. Which reminds me, if you test ride a BMW, make sure they tell you if it has a low or tall seat and low or tall suspension. I think the RS I rode had a low seat, thus being a bit cramped.BMW is working hard to make their bikes fit lots of different size people.
Why my opinion should hold significant water I don't know but on the R9T I mean just look at it!Apart from being an obvious 'Poverty Pack' with non adjustable suspension it's a BMW which means it's got a weak gearbox and final drive that will leave you stranded and drinking your own urine in some god-forsaken desert when it breaks down or blows up! Then there is the engine which like all flat twins sounds like a horse farting in a swimming pool. It's greatest sin though is it's ugly! Not just a little bit ugly either! It exudes ugliness like a pyroclastic flow from a volcano of ugliness! It's so ugly not even it's mother could love it! It's fuel tank looks like some huge, uninsertable pessary! It's seat looks like a donkey speculum! It transcends all normal descriptions of ugly! It's so bad I reckon the reason you never see the wretched things on the road is that the morning after they've bought one their owners catch a glimpse of then out of their bedroom windows and are suddenly overwhelmed by a need to gouge their own eyes out! Service costs will be absurd and they will develop mysterious problems with their canbus a week after the warranty runs out!Pete