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Title: Zero SR/S
Post by: AJ Huff on February 19, 2020, 04:31:46 PM
This might be the one. I think having a fairing makes a huge difference.

https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/19/21144093/zero-srs-electric-motorcycle-bike-speed-mile-range-photos-price (https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/19/21144093/zero-srs-electric-motorcycle-bike-speed-mile-range-photos-price)

-AJ

Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: GeorgiaGuzzi on February 19, 2020, 05:21:11 PM
The linky no worky. At least for me.

That being said, I’ve got a feeling an electric is in my future. Either a car or a bike. But that’s several years out for me anyway.
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: AJ Huff on February 19, 2020, 09:29:04 PM
Sorry. Troubles inserting a link on my tablet. Should be fixed now.

-AJ
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: oldbike54 on February 19, 2020, 10:01:20 PM
  :thumb: That would get me from here to Cedar Vale .

 Dusty
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: Loopian on February 20, 2020, 03:33:02 AM
Yes please!
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: twowheeladdict on February 20, 2020, 06:25:44 AM
I think my first electric vehicle will probably be a fat tire mountain bike as a camping companion when I finally retire.  Then I can explore the trails that don't allow motorized vehicles, get some exercise, but have assistance climbing hills. 

Most of my riding these days doesn't consume more than one tank of fuel, but that would mean I would always have to camp where electricity is available to recharge overnight or run a gas generator which will defeat the purpose of having an electric motorcycle. 
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: chuck peterson on February 20, 2020, 07:17:05 AM
Maybe a few body panels around the "motor"?...


(https://i.ibb.co/28Npvq1/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/28Npvq1)

(https://i.ibb.co/j52dZHr/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/j52dZHr)
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: MadMike on February 20, 2020, 07:19:51 AM
Last three pictures show the left hand handlebar switch gear- same as my 2013 Stelvio
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: rdbandkab on February 20, 2020, 08:43:20 AM
I think my first electric vehicle will probably be a fat tire mountain bike as a camping companion when I finally retire.  Then I can explore the trails that don't allow motorized vehicles, get some exercise, but have assistance climbing hills.

They're making some awesome e-bikes now. 

The industry needs to come up with a good "trade-in" value system worked out.   Who wants to purchase a bike that'll be (kind of) obsolete in one year.  The battery tech is moving fast!
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: travelingbyguzzi on February 20, 2020, 08:55:38 AM
That is a goodlooking bike. I suspect in another decade or so, we will all be riding them.
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: MMRanch on February 20, 2020, 09:15:30 AM
I noticed the plug in the fuel tank area did't look like a standard 120V outlet .   That looks like the down side ?  :sad:
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: inditx on February 20, 2020, 09:50:04 AM
Yes the Zero bikes are fun and the range is getting real world.
Still too much money and as someone noted, "no good trade program" initially or down the road.
Maybe a lease....?
inditx
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: twowheeladdict on February 20, 2020, 06:07:54 PM
They're making some awesome e-bikes now. 

The industry needs to come up with a good "trade-in" value system worked out.   Who wants to purchase a bike that'll be (kind of) obsolete in one year.  The battery tech is moving fast!

Like computers in the 90s, you just jump in when you are ready and "no regrets".  Use it and then if you want to upgrade, sell it cheap, give it to a deserving person or hang it up for the grand kids to dispose of one day. 
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: GeorgiaGuzzi on February 20, 2020, 06:16:41 PM
Like computers in the 90s, you just jump in when you are ready and "no regrets".  Use it and then if you want to upgrade, sell it cheap, give it to a deserving person or hang it up for the grand kids to dispose of one day.

Ugh, that reminds me of back in the day when my family had a custom built PC with a 386 chipset and all of like 96kb of ram. And a 500mb hard drive that the shop said we would never use. Hahahah

Good analogy tho. And that bike looks awesome, although I’m a sucker for naked bikes.
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: Sheepdog on February 20, 2020, 06:43:45 PM
Nice bike. I expect I will wet my feet in electric bikes on a pedal e-bike. They make nice auxiliaries for a compact travel trailer. The price is a bit less dear...
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: bratman2 on February 20, 2020, 08:09:25 PM
I like it, could see myself owning it.
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: ozarquebus on February 21, 2020, 06:57:46 AM
Very cool motorcycle and probably a blast to ride.
 As others have mentioned it would work for most riding tasks.

If we could only build e-vehicles and generate electricity without emissions, electric vehicles would really be a great solution.

Source information on my next statement varies, but here is my opinion which is not intended as an attack on anyone in reference to e-bike carbon emissions in manufacture in comparison to a gas bike.

 My take on it is until you do an average rider's commute 300 days or so on an e-bike, the manufacturing of the e-bike produces more greenhouse emissions than building and riding a gas bike for same period.

After that I guess you are as green as Kermit or 50% cleaner than a gas bike since electricity generation at power plants prduce electricity 50% cleaner than burning gas in engines....until battery replacement time.


 Has hydrogen atomic fusion research fizzled?
 I will get ebike when someone completes an Iron Butt on it or when they start eating CO2.
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: s1120 on February 21, 2020, 07:22:44 AM
Nice looking bike. 200 miles is pretty solid performance for a E bike.. Not sure what the extra "tank" is thats needed though.. Im not up on on them... is it just a add on batt pack?? Where does it go, and why not add it to them from the start?
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: Rick in WNY on February 21, 2020, 08:05:21 AM
Damn... a cordless drill on wheels that actually has enough range to handle my daily commute.

A couple years ago, I said I'd go for an e-bike if they ever got the range to a point it would do my daily ride and still have 30% of the battery in reserve. This thing does EXACTLY that....

I like it, I really, really do. :thumb:
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on February 21, 2020, 08:33:16 PM
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Has hydrogen atomic fusion research fizzled?
Fusion is the power of the future.. and *maybe* always will be.  :smiley: You don't need fusion to produce hydrogen, though. It can be done with some of the new high intensity solar collectors. Toyota is heavily invested in hydrogen. Just the same, new battery technology *is* starting to come on line already. You can buy a graphite battery today that is *much* more efficient than Lithium. It's only a matter of time.
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: Moparnut72 on February 22, 2020, 09:46:21 AM
Chrysler was betting on fusion, at least when Sergio was CEO. I don't know about now. They just recently hooked up with Peugeot who is well into battery powered electric vehicles. They were so far behind in electric technology that they had to do something. It was costing them a fortune in carbon credits with Tesla.
kk
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: twowheeladdict on February 22, 2020, 09:54:31 AM
If I were seriously looking at Zero it would be this bike.

https://www.zeromotorcycles.com/zero-ds/

The black forest would be nice. 
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: kirby1923 on February 22, 2020, 10:36:40 AM
  :thumb: That would get me from here to Cedar Vale .

 Dusty



Hell my CX would beat that thing.

Lets race from CV to Amarillo. I'll pick up the bar tab when/if... you get there on the same day.

:-)
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: Huzo on February 22, 2020, 12:47:07 PM
The “cost” thing is a bit of fun to ponder..
Buyers will balk at the price of the e bike, yet have two bikes sitting in the garage even though they only have one arse...
Are two bikes with a net worth of $30,000 a better proposition than one bike worth $30,000 ?
We have all sold two bikes to raise the cash for the purchase of one new bike somewhere in our dim, distant past..
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: Huzo on February 22, 2020, 12:48:45 PM


Hell my CX would beat that thing.

Lets race from CV to Amarillo. I'll pick up the bar tab when/if... you get there on the same day.

:-)
Is that the “plastic maggot” CX (Honda) or the pumped up Le Mans...?
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: kirby1923 on February 22, 2020, 01:19:24 PM
Either would do the job.

:-)
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: Huzo on February 22, 2020, 01:31:25 PM
Either would do the job.

:-)
Do Lycoming or Continental do electric motors ?
Flying near Cu Nim cloud might not be such a bad idea, the lightning could be useful..(sort of)
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: Tusayan on February 22, 2020, 01:34:39 PM
The “cost” thing is a bit of fun to ponder..
Buyers will balk at the price of the e bike, yet have two bikes sitting in the garage even though they only have one arse...
Are two bikes with a net worth of $30,000 a better proposition than one bike worth $30,000 ?
We have all sold two bikes to raise the cash for the purchase of one new bike somewhere in our dim, distant past..

I think two nice bikes are better than one nice bike, and every time I’ve seen a friend do the ‘two depreciated bikes traded for one new bike’ thing, it’s hurt to watch.  My choice was to buy and own nine bikes which cost a total of $40K and could be sold now for $70K. I don’t buy things that depreciate greatly.  I’ve sold a few bikes and mostly regretted it, one time to the extent that I bought it back years later. :wink:  Mine will be sold when I can’t ride them any more, with maybe a couple saved just as art until the time I don’t wake up any more.  :grin:

Re electric bikes - I won’t choose to buy a natural gas powered motorcycle (‘cause that’s what electric bikes would mostly be in my use) when I can buy one that runs on gasoline.  The best way to store energy for transport is to connect hydrogen in complex ways with carbon, and refine it until it’s a dense, clear liquid...  the other half of the energy is all around us in the air, you don’t have to carry it at all.
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: twowheeladdict on February 22, 2020, 03:05:38 PM
The “cost” thing is a bit of fun to ponder..
Buyers will balk at the price of the e bike, yet have two bikes sitting in the garage even though they only have one arse...
Are two bikes with a net worth of $30,000 a better proposition than one bike worth $30,000 ?
We have all sold two bikes to raise the cash for the purchase of one new bike somewhere in our dim, distant past..

It is an "allyour eggs in one basket"  thing for me.  I just brought home my Himalayan that needs service, but am back out on the road tomorrow so taking the Vav Van 200 that is serviced and ready to roll.
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: kirby1923 on February 22, 2020, 03:29:20 PM
Hydrogen makes a lot more sense at for at least the next decade or two,(or three), 'cause it would interface with existing reciprocating  engines which have been highly developed and have vast infrastructure for maintence.
Electric has somewhat of a "cult" following .

I've been investing in this tech for some time,(stock), and guessing it will be a winner.

Time will tell.
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: twowheeladdict on February 22, 2020, 04:17:00 PM
Hydrogen makes a lot more sense at for at least the next decade or two,(or three), 'cause it would interface with existing reciprocating  engines which have been highly developed and have vast infrastructure for maintence.
Electric has somewhat of a "cult" following .

I've been investing in this tech for some time,(stock), and guessing it will be a winner.

Time will tell.

You don't think electric will expand?  I think it has early adopters, but a cult following only time will tell. 

Do you work in the energy industry?  I was always taught to invest in what you know. 
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: LowRyter on February 22, 2020, 05:50:51 PM
Hydrogen makes a lot more sense at for at least the next decade or two,(or three), 'cause it would interface with existing reciprocating  engines which have been highly developed and have vast infrastructure for maintence.
Electric has somewhat of a "cult" following .

I've been investing in this tech for some time,(stock), and guessing it will be a winner.

Time will tell.

You're investing in Hydrogen but think EVs are a "cult following". 

It's hard to get outta the way of all those hydrogen cars on the road, I get it.
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: kirby1923 on February 22, 2020, 06:18:52 PM
You're investing in Hydrogen but think EVs are a "cult following". 

It's hard to get outta the way of all those hydrogen cars on the road, I get it.


No you don't.

I have invested in hydrogen technology for many uses, not just vehicles, in my opinion will prove to be better than electric in may applications.

Do I detect a bit of cynicism?

Are you a Tesla stockholder?

:-)
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: Zinfan on February 22, 2020, 06:41:56 PM

No you don't.

I have invested in hydrogen technology for many uses, not just vehicles, in my opinion will prove to be better than electric in may applications.

Do I detect a bit of cynicism?

Are you a Tesla stockholder?

:-)

I'd love to look into hydrogen stuff but it seems they would have more of a problem getting fueling stations out there than the EV companies have.  After all if you need a Tesla charging station you can put one pretty much anywhere electricity is available but a hydrogen refuel station?   
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: kirby1923 on February 22, 2020, 07:11:26 PM
I hear you but hopefully hydrogen will become as easy to transport and store as petro products.

Hydrogen should be much cleaner to produce. Li nining and transport along with battery manufacturing process(s) are dirty business.

I probably will not live to see what comes out the winner but am betting on hydrogen.

:-)
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on February 22, 2020, 08:00:32 PM
Quote
Li nining and transport along with battery manufacturing process(s) are dirty business.

That's a fact, but we may be seeing the start of the demise of Li batteries already. Graphite is about 6X more efficient. The market will shake out the winners.
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: LowRyter on February 22, 2020, 08:02:10 PM

No you don't.

I have invested in hydrogen technology for many uses, not just vehicles, in my opinion will prove to be better than electric in may applications.

Do I detect a bit of cynicism?

Are you a Tesla stockholder?

:-)

I only have natural gas stock. 
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: oldbike54 on February 22, 2020, 08:16:51 PM
 If I could find a transformer that could handle my *Fusion Generator in a coffee can* all of this would be moot .

 Dusty
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: kirby1923 on February 22, 2020, 08:31:09 PM

Elon 2024!

:-)
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: kirby1923 on February 23, 2020, 10:03:48 AM
That's a fact, but we may be seeing the start of the demise of Li batteries already. Graphite is about 6X more efficient. The market will shake out the winners.

Yeah, I've been watching the SAE papers on graphene and it has a lot of potential to make Li obsolete..but

It (at this point) still has to be mined and large capacity batteries are heavy and have a cycle problem and have to be "recycled" .

" Graphene is the strongest mineral ever discovered, with 40 times the strength of diamond. It is more effective as a conductor of heat and electricity than graphite.

Graphene is capable of transferring electricity 140 times faster than lithium, while being 100 times lighter than aluminium. This means it could increase the power density of a standard Li-ion battery by 45%. "

At this point being developed for cell phones but larger batteries will likely follow.

(Published SAE stuff)

I still like the idea of a clean burning fuel or a power cell instead of a storage device. I think its more likely to happen in my lifetime.

The market for electric vehicles is limited to urban dwellers  IMHO.

Go for it!
Title: Re: Zero SR/S
Post by: alanp on February 27, 2020, 03:39:58 PM

The market for electric vehicles is limited to urban dwellers. IMHO

I am curious why you say that?  I would think they would work as well or better for people living in rural areas.  The only large groups of people they don't make sense for are:
1) people who can't charge them at home.  Mostly, this would be people living in apartments where they don't have access to a garage or an outdoor electrical outlet, and this would be mostly people living in urban areas.
2) people who only have 1 vehicle AND need to drive 200+ miles in a day on occasion. I don't think this would have much to do with where you live. 

If you are basing your statement on access to public charging infrastructure, I think that is one of the biggest red herring issues surrounding electric vehicles.  I have has an electric car for 2 years, have put nearly 30,000 miles on it, and have never once used a public charger out of need, and have almost never used them period.  Relying on public charging is going to be very inconvenient except in special circumstances.  But if you can charge at home you really have no limitations except for extended travel, which is the same regardless of where you live.