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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: kballowe on November 21, 2021, 12:55:47 PM
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Four months+ now , and I've graduated to walking with a cane.
Of course not riding yet, but heading in that direction - and wanting to come back slowly.
The smallest thing that I own is a Suzuki DL1000 VStrom.
Recommendations for a smaller and lighter bike ?
P.S. 30" inseam.
And GO ......
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A V7 would fit the bill. If the seat height on that is a too high a low sportster 883. Just mho
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I got a full knee replacement 7 months back. I find my RE 650 fits me well and is easy to swing a leg over. I feel like I am done with large touring bikes. Mid size for solo riding is what I need now a days.
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900 Yamaha Tracer GT. Maybe the new Honda 1000 Twin? Ducati Multi V2. Aprilia 660 Adv.
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Recently acquired a Yama TW200 - light, torquey, not your usual too tall dual sport, a strong dedicated following (look at YouTube). Strong aftermarket support. But hard to find - dealers have waiting lists and used get snapped up fast.
It’s what I’ll likely wrap up my riding career on.
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Have a look at a BMW 310 - a mate bought one, he's 60kg, short, & getting on in years, the bike is some 130kg. He has not worries moving it around & still does highway speeds. Worth a look.
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I have a 2021 Kawasaki Ninja 400. It is lightweight, handles very, very nicely, and I have no issues with my 29" inseam. I am not a big fan of the styling, but it works for what I want. The Z400 is the same with less plastic. The 180˚ crankshaft makes it almost feel like a highly strung Triumph that does not need constant attention. HTH
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Step thru scooter in the 50cc range…
Piaggio Fly 50…
Start really small. After a two year layoff I could do 10mins. Then 20. When I went to my favorite burger joint an hour away it was three full years w PT and gentle yoga ..
Do less than you want… good to hear your itching to get back on
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Suzuki Savage.
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Another vote for the BMW G310GS, it's a proper sized bike with loads of protection and weighs as much as a small child. My wife has one and I ride it whenever I'm in the mood. It's a different style of riding though. Goes fast enough when you wring it's neck and all the more enjoyable for it. :thumb:
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Light, but still plenty of power would be the 500 plus cc supermotos by the European marques.
Light, but low on power, the 300cc dual sports / SMs.
Light, low seat height and low on power. Van Van 200.
Since you do like cruisers the RE Meteor might be something to play with for a time. Won't lose much $$ when you sell it.
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I was just reminded in another thread that the new Rebel series is decent and low and light. The 500 and 1100 could be good choices.
How about Triumphs like the Street Twin (30" seat height, 476# wet), and the Bobber is < 28" seat height though 553# wet.
I didn't mention the V7s or V9s because you are obviously intimately familiar with them, but they are good options.
A Ducati might fit the bill, Jenn's Monster is the lightest bike we have with stumpy seat height, but I can't stand the riding position personally.
Sportys are low, but not particularly light even if they hide much of the weight, of course they are largely in the Triumph Bobber weight territory.
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Me , 100kg. 29” inseam . 2 knees + 1hip replaced . 2shoulders rebuilt ,numerous spine issues & arthritis.
My V7/850 fits & works fine. Rear shocks on softest setting & don’t bottom , radial tires are needed , as is decent hard bags (at least for me) . I’ve fitted a small shield & it’s quite comfy for 250 Mi. Days :thumb:
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Had my right hip and knee replaced last year, was a major reason I got rid of my MGX (too heavy).
I started riding carefully 3 months after surgeries, and stuck to the V7 Stornello, and had NO issues at all. The bike is very light and easily takes lowered pegs if you need. As part of my PT recovery, I would go out and sit on my bikes while on the stands for 30 minutes and move feet around on pegs to ensure I could fit and do so comfortably. Priorities you know ;-)
I am 18 months post hip and 12 post knee, and I often forget I had surgery. I can easily ride and hold all of my bikes without issue. Weight training is key once you get to that point in recovery. Be patient with yourself, I'm sure you will be back at it, but to your question, there are many options, the V7, Triumphs, RE's and a couple of the Japanese bikes.
Heal up!
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You want to be very careful not to put too much stress on your knee. As others have mentioned think light and low. Would you ever consider a bigger scooter or even a Piaggio MP3? A step-through frame might be very helpful.
Maybe a Honda Trail 125? Seems like folks love them.
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So many options... I think you need to define a few more criteria to narrow down the list. What style do you want? How much are you willing to pay? Other criteria like 'must have luggage'? My buddy has nerve damage in one of his legs from an accident some 20+ years ago. As such, he is always cognizant of the seat height and height of the rear fender... he has trouble throwing his leg over any bike.
Me? I'm about to buy a little honda shadow 750 to turn into a bobber. It's light for a cruiser, but still almost 100 lbs heavier than your suzuki!
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^^^^ easy catch with a bad knee, or just step away and let it fall..
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I agree with the scooter idea. Get yourself a nice Vespa, they look fun.
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Recently acquired a Yama TW200 - light, torquey, not your usual too tall dual sport, a strong dedicated following (look at YouTube). Strong aftermarket support. But hard to find - dealers have waiting lists and used get snapped up fast.
It’s what I’ll likely wrap up my riding career on.
I have the TW200's little 125cc brother and this bike was instrumental in my move from the B1100 to the V9 Roamer
It's a real giggle. Light and flickable and, at least with my 125, you arrive a a corner and just throw it in, primarily because it refuses to get above 50MPH :grin:
If it wasn't such a POS (learner bike not well looked after and not my best buying decision) I might not have got to the V9
A TW200 would have been nice, but they are much rarer over here
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1,2) Kawasaki W650 or 800.
3) maxiscooter or MP 3
I have a 29" inseam and getting shorter. I am 71 yo and have had a few surgeries that affect my legs and hips. They work OK, not great. I have a 650 and it is terrific although the carb setup needs a little fussing with. It seems that the 800 with FI may have solved that issue.
I had a Vespa BV350 that was really fun, but somewhat limited as an all arounder. Personally, I never felt happy above 55-60 mph. A step-through has some obvious advantages and the built in storage is really convenient.
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My 84 V65C is a really light bike, low seat height, easy to handle, comfortable at 70-75 mph
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Hi K, 11-22-21
I second the Harley Sportster... low seat height, 560 lb, easy riding. I had an '07, white, rubber mount motor, fuel injection, reliable. I made it into a mini tourer, windscreen, bags, etc. Great bike but I outgrew it because of single front brake...not enough in the twisties. Unless you plan aggressive riding, I believe it will check the boxes.
Be well, stay well,
DougG
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Maybe shoot for something in the 300# range, the bikes won't be very powerful, but perhaps light enough for enjoying the ride. Stay away from tall, go small. Good luck with your decision.
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66 and still traveling the country. Went with a Spyder RT for our two up travels and I have a 2016 V7 Stone for my solo adventures. This combo works well for me.
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kballowe
I've had and have a Suzuki Savage (also known as S-40) for over 10 years and will have it when all the others are gone.
I've rode it from Middle TN to SanAtino 6 times in the last 10 years . I've rode it to western Arkansas at least 3 times , to visit my buddy in Oklahoma twice , to Northen Kentucky twice , and Just anywhere I might want to go.
Its a 380# , 26" seat , 650 one cylinder ,Belt Drive , FUN BIKE. Power wise its like a Harley 883 with a shorter seat . I still ride the wife on it but my V-7II has more seat room so we normally take it if she goes. On paper it is rated as 33 HP - but that is deceiving low . The low RPM is very torque and will pull off a red light with the best of them. Mine has about 60,000 miles on it but a buddy in Texas has over 200K on his and its still a daily rider.
I ride with the CMA group a lot and most of the time - the Goldwings and big Harleys don't keep up ... on the twisty roads they can't keep up. On the interstate I keep up with them up to 80-85 and beyond that I don't want to keep up.
Its a GREAT LITTLE BIKE (B&S (94mm X 94mm)) notice I didn't say MOTORCYCLE . I put GS450 cast wheels on mine so I can go tubeless and I modified a Harley seat to fit it.
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Yea ! This will be my "OLD MAN" bike ... :thumb:
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900 Yamaha Tracer GT. Maybe the new Honda 1000 Twin? Ducati Multi V2. Aprilia 660 Adv.
I was just looking at one of those Yamaha's down in Harrison, I like it!
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This was my favorite smaller bike.. I put 80/20 avon tires, and geared it up a bit.. Cruised at 65 all day.. 88 mpg doing so...Wind did not blow it around at all like my little KLX-250s..The air cooled Yamaha was a gem...
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The trouble is that there are so many good choices. I’d buy a Paiggio MP3 if I found a decent 500 but haven’t found one yet.
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Step thru scooter in the 50cc range…
Piaggio Fly 50…
Start really small. After a two year layoff I could do 10mins. Then 20. When I went to my favorite burger joint an hour away it was three full years w PT and gentle yoga ..
Do less than you want… good to hear your itching to get back on
:thumb:
Most of the 50cc scooters weigh exactly the same as their 125-150cc counterparts. They (50cc) are too slow for most traffic situations and struggle on hills. if you're thinking scooter, skip the 50 and go for the 125-150 class (240ish lbs). The Vespa GTS in 250 or 300cc displacement would be an excellent choice. They may be 100# heavier than the 50-150cc class, but, carry their weight real low, and feel MUCH lighter than my (your old) V7 III. I have a 2007 GTS250ie. It handles way better than I ever thought a scooter with 12 inch wheels would. The suspension is MUCH better than cheaper scooters in the 250-300cc class.
Someone else mentioned the BMW 310. I've ridden the G-310R, but, not the G-310GS, which I'd assume is somewhat taller.
The G-310R is a perfectly capable lightweight. Despite being a small single, it handles 75 MPH highway travel just fine, and is great fun on the twisty roads.
Also see the Kawasaki Z400. A cousin of mine just got one, it is nice and light, also plenty of go for highway and great fun on the twisty roads as well.
The Honda CB300R is in the same class as the Z400 and G310R. It has lower HP than both (low 30's, IIRC), but, I'm sure the torque is probably similar to the BMW 310. It has a round headlight, and, IMHO, looks better than the Z400.
Discussion of the 300-400cc class would not be complete without mentioning the Duke 390 or Husqvarna 401 Svartpilen, which is based on the Duke 390, but, much cooler looking, IMHO.
I've not sampled the Kawasaki 650 twins, but the new Z650RS is far better looking, IMHO, than the insectoid Z400 (and Z650 from which it was derived). It is similar in style to the Z900RS, but, with the 650cc twin. There is no Z400RS (yet).
As Kev says, V7/V9 are great choices, but, you're already familiar with them.
The Royal Enfield 650 twins might be good candidates as well.
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The trouble is that there are so many good choices. I’d buy a Paiggio MP3 if I found a decent 500 but haven’t found one yet.
+1 :thumb:
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I looked for a super light, still powerful, not uncomfortable, fun bike to ride ... ended up with a 2018 KTM 690 Duke.
73 HP (at the crank)
327 lbs (dry)
And for some reason, pretty decent seat-to-peg distance (knees not bent up much). The 2016-2018 models have the dual counter balancer motor which is surprising smooth.
Feels like another species of motorcycle. :laugh:
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Most of the 50cc scooters weigh exactly the same as their 125-150cc counterparts. They (50cc) are too slow for most traffic situations and struggle on hills. if you're thinking scooter, skip the 50 and go for the 125-150 class (240ish lbs). The Vespa GTS in 250 or 300cc displacement would be an excellent choice. They may be 100# heavier than the 50-150cc class, but, carry their weight real low, and feel MUCH lighter than my (your old) V7 III. I have a 2007 GTS250ie. It handles way better than I ever thought a scooter with 12 inch wheels would. The suspension is MUCH better than cheaper scooters in the 250-300cc class.
Someone else mentioned the BMW 310. I've ridden the G-310R, but, not the G-310GS, which I'd assume is somewhat taller.
The G-310R is a perfectly capable lightweight. Despite being a small single, it handles 75 MPH highway travel just fine, and is great fun on the twisty roads.
Also see the Kawasaki Z400. A cousin of mine just got one, it is nice and light, also plenty of go for highway and great fun on the twisty roads as well.
The Honda CB300R is in the same class as the Z400 and G310R. It has lower HP than both (low 30's, IIRC), but, I'm sure the torque is probably similar to the BMW 310. It has a round headlight, and, IMHO, looks better than the Z400.
Discussion of the 300-400cc class would not be complete without mentioning the Duke 390 or Husqvarna 401 Svartpilen, which is based on the Duke 390, but, much cooler looking, IMHO.
I've not sampled the Kawasaki 650 twins, but the new Z650RS is far better looking, IMHO, than the insectoid Z400 (and Z650 from which it was derived). It is similar in style to the Z900RS, but, with the 650cc twin. There is no Z400RS (yet).
As Kev says, V7/V9 are great choices, but, you're already familiar with them.
The Royal Enfield 650 twins might be good candidates as well.
I was gonna mention the Husq Svart or Vit, cause I love their unique styling, but isn't seat height a problem?
Hell isn't that true with pretty much all the dual sports being mentioned/shown, and isn't that also potentially true for the CB300R, Z400, BMW 310 etc. aren't they all a hair more than 30" almost 31"?
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I looked for a super light, still powerful, not uncomfortable, fun bike to ride ... ended up with a 2018 KTM 690 Duke.
73 HP (at the crank)
327 lbs (dry)
And for some reason, pretty decent seat-to-peg distance (knees not bent up much). The 2016-2018 models have the dual counter balancer motor which is surprising smooth.
Feels like another species of motorcycle. :laugh:
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I have a buddy with one and it is a blast to ride. Good to see it comes in colors other than little tykes orange 😆
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The 2018 690 was on my list before the V-7 Stornello. I went out to look at it, but traffic was terrible getting out there. Just a twist of fate caused me to not own a 690 .Also on the list was a SR-400 for $2000 less money then both of the others..All were mint, and very low miles..
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I picked up a couple of PCX150 Honda scooters. They also make a 250. Either engine will get you pass the 65 mph mark. I also picked up a Kymco 125 Agility. It tops out at 65 down hill. Easy on gas and great for doing errands. Cheap too. Registration, insurance, maintenance & gas.
Amazing to ride vs a motorcycle. Because they look like moped scooters, I take advantage of the bicycle lane in stop & go traffic. :thumb:
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Someone on this board has a Kawasaki w650 for sale. nice little bike in good shape and plenty cheap. shaft drive, light & low, and electric start.
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Like he said, "there are so many good ones out there"
I keep looking at the Kawasaki Versys X-300.
You could almost race it on the streets and not break the speed limit.
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Check out the Yamaha MT-03 and the Kaw mentioned above (although it may be a smidge tall) Versys X 300 The new this year Royal Enfield 350 Classic, could also be a contender. Lighter is better, maybe a scooter like some have mentioned above. Good Luck!
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I was just looking at one of those Yamaha's down in Harrison, I like it!
Darren's got one.
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Someone on this board has a Kawasaki w650 for sale. nice little bike in good shape and plenty cheap. shaft drive, light & low, and electric start.
W650 is not shaft drive.
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W650 is not shaft drive.
It does have a shaft drive.............. ..... Just not for the rear differential, it's for the Cams..... (No Kev didn't inspire this post, but he could have) :cool:
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I've heard good things about the Burgman scooters.
Rich A
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Hi Kev. First thing you gotta ask yourself is, how fast you need to go. If you can be satisfied at 60 , 65 mph, you can get an XT250, and get a super almost unstoppable trail bike you can tow to the hills and still have a ball. Or get a RE Meteor 350, and get great mpg and comfort, even two up.. Either can be had brand new for about 5500 bucks. Too early to tell about the Enfield, but the XT has super resale value if you decide to get a bigger sled later. Watch YouTube channel Ol Man Ronin for insight about the RE.7
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It does have a shaft drive.............. ..... Just not for the rear differential, it's for the Cams.....
True.
(No Kev didn't inspire this post, but he could have) :cool:
That's funny, right there! :boozing:
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It does have a shaft drive.............. ..... Just not for the rear differential, it's for the Cams..... (No Kev didn't inspire this post, but he could have) :cool:
I approve this message. :boozing:
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I have yet to see a Road Test on the Royal Enfield Meteor where the tester is not smiling. I have yet to ride it myself so can't give a personal opinion, but when my old Breva 750 packs it in I will be looking for a Meteor to replace it as my around town bike. Just on what I've seen I'd be checking one out if I were you.
Cheers, Tim
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Do less than you want…
Good advice there..
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Right now, my "go to" ride is a stationary bicycle.
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I will be 72 years old in February, 29inch inseam, two knees replaced and a year ago I came off some scaffolding and suffered a compound tib/fib fracture of the right ankle. A steel plate and eight screws to repair that one. I am currently riding a BMW F650GS, "adventure-tourer, dual purpose, whatever) This bike was actually made in three different heights. I lucked out and found a 2005 model in the "factory low" configuration and it fits me perfectly. It weighs 425lb, has 50 hp and will run about 100 mph top end. It will cruise happily at 65 or 70 (or 80 but it gets a little buzzy at that speed ) It's not a Guzzi but it's a pretty good bike.
Having said all that, I am currently rehabbing a 2002 Stone which will, visually, be a copy of my 1974 850T hot rod/cafe racer. I might have to lower it slightly but I think I can ride it just fine. More on that when I've made a bit more progress.
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honda ca72.
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Royal Enfield Meteor 350. Relatively light, low, easy handling, slow but still fun with lots of torque.......and CHEAP!
A lot of bikes recommended are still tall bikes for 30" inseam and some are pretty damn heavy.
Scott
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I like the concept. I could never ride a scooter because I like to grab the tank with my knees. If this bike had been around when my sons were teenagers I probably would have bought one for each of them.
It is definitely a city bike though with less than a gallon of fuel.
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The Kid's sweetie Nora bought a Benneli at the Kentucky rally. It ticks all the boxes, is surprisingly competent (to me) and cheap. (Guzzi content.)
http://benelli.ssrmotorsports.com/bikes/tnt135.php
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Indian Scout - 26/27 inch seat height. 550 lbs.
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Triumph Speedmaster - 27/28 inch seat height. 576 lbs.
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Triumph Street Twin - 29/30 inch seat. 479 lbs.
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I’m kind of surprised that there are not more recommendations for the small block Guzzies as there are several members here who own them and really like them?
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For that particular application I would not recommend a V7 that has ~200+ kg.
Too heavy.
Over here in Europe we have myriads of chinese retro 250s and 400s that are really light (145 kg up; all less than 175 kg) and fun to ride.
Marques like Mash, Brixton, Herald, Mutt, ...
I would recommend them as they are also cheap as f*** but not bad for the money.
Alas, I have no idea if they are available in the US.
Cheers,
D.
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I’m kind of surprised that there are not more recommendations for the small block Guzzies as there are several members here who own them and really like them?
Seat height. 31/32 inch seats are a bitch for those with a 30 inch inseam!
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After a life spent riding motorbikes, at 83 years old Doug Sunderland of Wangaratta, Australia decided that he wanted to ride 1000km a week for a year. So he rode around Australia twice on a Hyosung GV250. Seat height is about 28".
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I’m kind of surprised that there are not more recommendations for the small block Guzzies as there are several members here who own them and really like them?
He's already had one. I think many of us assume he already knows.
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From an old, busted up Construction Worker with many decades in the trades I've found the bike I all to often go to is my.
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He's already had one. I think many of us assume he already knows.
I reckon so, good point 👍
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My vote is for a V7. Yes the seat may be a little high but they are very manageable. I am getting as old as dirt and my V7lll is very easy to handle. Very nice bikes and more than worth the selling price.
kk
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I have 30'' inseam as well and the V7 III's height poses no problem whatsoever.
There are few 'standard'ish bikes around that have a lower seat.
Still think it's too heavy if your musculoskeletal system is not yet up to 100%.
Cheers & speedy recovery,
D.
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Way to go, Kevin! The pondering and discussing is all part of recovery, and so much fun, too. As has been said, the weight is an issue as you begin to regain your strength and abilities. Lighter the better starting out, in my opinion. I fully enjoyed owning a classy little TU250X as I recovered from an accident some years ago. It was happy enough at back road speeds, and it was good fun spending time in the garage keeping it clean and polished. You started to make a list of possible candidates yet?
Sarah
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I looked for a super light, still powerful, not uncomfortable, fun bike to ride ... ended up with a 2018 KTM 690 Duke.
73 HP (at the crank)
327 lbs (dry)
And for some reason, pretty decent seat-to-peg distance (knees not bent up much). The 2016-2018 models have the dual counter balancer motor which is surprising smooth.
Feels like another species of motorcycle. :laugh:
(https://i.ibb.co/5LdNMDv/Duke-690.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5LdNMDv)
Yep!!!! Every time I let someone ride my 2016 Duke 690, without fail, when they get back they will say:
1. "Holy @#$%^ this thing is FAST!"
2. "It's SOOOOO light!"
3. "It's so smooth, I can't believe this is a single cylinder bike!"
Prior to buying ti, when I sat on it at the dealer, the first thing I said was "Old man ergonomics!" Plus you can flip the footpeg mounts to lower them a bit more.
The Duke 690 really is another species of motorcycle. The Aprillia SXV 550 could be in the same club, but I highly recommend spending a few dozen hours reading on the AF1 forum before buying so you can make an informed purchase.
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I approve this message. :boozing:
Bulldog beat me to it.
As they say "It takes one to know one!"
thankfully, I know plenty of them! :wink:
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Hi Kev. First thing you gotta ask yourself is, how fast you need to go. If you can be satisfied at 60 , 65 mph, you can get an XT250, and get a super almost unstoppable trail bike you can tow to the hills and still have a ball. Or get a RE Meteor 350, and get great mpg and comfort, even two up.. Either can be had brand new for about 5500 bucks. Too early to tell about the Enfield, but the XT has super resale value if you decide to get a bigger sled later. Watch YouTube channel Ok Man Robin for insight about the RE.
some where on this forum, there is a guy named Shorty who owns a Suzuki DR 650. I think that answers the OP question quite well. Set the rear shock lower bolt in the lower hole. Slide the forks up in the triple clamp 1.5". Bolt on the shorter side stand.
Works great for my 30" inseam.
As Bad Chad and MMRanch have pointed out, the Suzuki Savage/Boulevard S40 is an extremely underrated motorcycle. Often available amazingly cheaply used with low miles. I'm assuming because a lot of riders have never tried one out.
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some where on this forum, there is a guy named Shorty who owns a Suzuki DR 650. I think that answers the OP question quite well. Set the rear shock lower bolt in the lower hole. Slide the forks up in the triple clamp 1.5". Bolt on the shorter side stand.
Works great for my 30" inseam.
As Bad Chad and MMRanch have pointed out, the Suzuki Savage/Boulevard S40 is an extremely underrated motorcycle. Often available amazingly cheaply used with low miles. I'm assuming because a lot of riders have never tried one out.
Yes I have a DR650. The bike is still too tall set at the lowest factory settings with my 30 inch inseam. I have a set of Soupy's lowering links for it.I will still need to shorten the short factory kickstand to make it all work . Might also need a custom shock built as well. Kev mentioned a 30 inch leg so I didn't mention the DR. Great bike, however. :wink:
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Yes I have a DR650. The bike is still too tall set at the lowest factory settings with my 30 inch inseam. I have a set of Soupy's lowering links for it.I will still need to shorten the short factory kickstand to make it all work . Might also need a custom shock built as well. Kev mentioned a 30 inch leg so I didn't mention the DR. Great bike, however. :wink:
Very true. I also have a set of DR 650 forks with 2 sets of the OEM spacers used to shorten the forks (3" shorter than stock longer fork), and a set of adjustable rear suspension links that lower the rear 3" with the shock bolt in the lower setting. I've had them on the bike in the past, and will probably install both again at some time.
Since the DR suspension is soft, the compression with me aboard, allows me to touch both feet on the ground at the same time. A bit shorter would be even more confidence inspiring for those who so desire.
Most of the smaller sub 400cc bikes, KTM 390, Ninja 400, etc. don't weigh much less than the DR 650 or KTM 690, or are even 20 lbs heavier. The 600cc + bikes put out about twice the torque of the sub 400cc bikes! The DRZ 400 and the DR 650 put out the same max HP, but one ride on both leaves one thinking the DRZ 400 is anemic.
Kballow should try out a DR 650. He just might find it to be worth the mods.
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I've owned a couple of the MG V7. Light bike and handles well, but the seat is a bit high for me. Normally not an issue.
One that I've been looking at is a Versys 300 - or maybe a KLX300. Both are a bit tall, but easily lowered.
The Versys is a bit more pavement worthy, and rider friendly, plus has a decent seat.
:boozing:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51112782897_a21444abc7_b.jpg)
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When I reached 80 (years, not pounds) in 2016, I sold both my Stone Touring models as I knew I was beyond my ability to manage them safely, given I was 134#. My DR-650 had the lowering modifications and a Sargent's low seat and was manageable, but I did not like the feel of the engine. Not at all like my British big singles of 50 years prior. I replaced the DR with a new 2017 Honda CB-500 which had a 31" seat height and a wet weight of 414#. It is very well made, very thrifty on fuel (never below 70 mpg) but was horribly uncomfortable and still a bit tall for my 31" inseam. I decided to do what was necessary to make it a really adequate bike for what I (crossing my fingers) refer to as "the long haul". I had Wilbers in Germany make a shock set up to my meagre weight. A pair of "Vector" lowering links dropped the seat to just under 30" and when I perch on the Russell seat (best in the business; worth every penny) the seat drops another 1/2". 2" taller bars, a 2T larger countershaft sprocket and I have a "keeper". I have absolute comfort and confidence on the Honda.
I did succumb to a new '21 Royal Enfield "Interceptor 650" with 20mm shorter shocks and it's still a bit taller than I like. I dropped 30# from its OEM wet weight of about 472 so it's just over 440# wet, now. It also has a Russell seat. What it and the Honda did not have and will never have is the Guzzi charisma and provenance and, yes, Luap's wonderful WGC forum.
I got adventurous Last Spring and bought the ex-John Hemenway 2004 Breva 750 and I admit I'm a bit wary of it for its greater weight than the Enfield, lower and more narrow bars. But, so far, I have not had a "happening" with it. I'm fine as long as I'm moving over 5 mph on it, but at traffic stops I admit to being a bit anxious, afraid I'll drop it. But, I'm still a Guzzisti and figure I have another year or two of ability to ride the Breva 750. Maybe another year beyond that on the Enfield.
The Honda CB-500 as modified likely will be my last ride, but if I'm still physically fit (or around at all) I can see going to a small scooter.
You may have to change the playing field a bit, but if you're still on two wheels, live with it and enjoy it.
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How about a Kawasaki Vulcan 650, you won't find much smaller than that.
Suzuki Savage, Boulevard, S40 or whatever they call it nowadays a 650 thumper that's been around since 1984
I think its currently called the Suzuki Boulevard S40
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From an old, busted up Construction Worker with many decades in the trades I've found the bike I all to often go to is my.
(https://scontent.fsac1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/p180x540/258851625_1646296635540929_6069561915203014139_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=9MpNt0k8eBcAX_sl7hR&_nc_ht=scontent.fsac1-1.fna&oh=88a2e912271e9b34c8c69712f2810b53&oe=61A44254)
Very cool!
Scott
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When I reached 80 (years, not pounds) in 2016, I sold both my Stone Touring models as I knew I was beyond my ability to manage them safely, given I was 134#. My DR-650 had the lowering modifications and a Sargent's low seat and was manageable, but I did not like the feel of the engine. Not at all like my British big singles of 50 years prior. I replaced the DR with a new 2017 Honda CB-500 which had a 31" seat height and a wet weight of 414#. It is very well made, very thrifty on fuel (never below 70 mpg) but was horribly uncomfortable and still a bit tall for my 31" inseam. I decided to do what was necessary to make it a really adequate bike for what I (crossing my fingers) refer to as "the long haul". I had Wilbers in Germany make a shock set up to my meagre weight. A pair of "Vector" lowering links dropped the seat to just under 30" and when I perch on the Russell seat (best in the business; worth every penny) the seat drops another 1/2". 2" taller bars, a 2T larger countershaft sprocket and I have a "keeper". I have absolute comfort and confidence on the Honda.
I did succumb to a new '21 Royal Enfield "Interceptor 650" with 20mm shorter shocks and it's still a bit taller than I like. I dropped 30# from its OEM wet weight of about 472 so it's just over 440# wet, now. It also has a Russell seat. What it and the Honda did not have and will never have is the Guzzi charisma and provenance and, yes, Luap's wonderful WGC forum.
I got adventurous Last Spring and bought the ex-John Hemenway 2004 Breva 750 and I admit I'm a bit wary of it for its greater weight than the Enfield, lower and more narrow bars. But, so far, I have not had a "happening" with it. I'm fine as long as I'm moving over 5 mph on it, but at traffic stops I admit to being a bit anxious, afraid I'll drop it. But, I'm still a Guzzisti and figure I have another year or two of ability to ride the Breva 750. Maybe another year beyond that on the Enfield.
The Honda CB-500 as modified likely will be my last ride, but if I'm still physically fit (or around at all) I can see going to a small scooter.
You may have to change the playing field a bit, but if you're still on two wheels, live with it and enjoy it.
Well this is an inspiration to me. At 64 and relatively new to riding roads instead of trials, I have been wondering how long I have to enjoy this new thrill. I figure I am good till 70 but then who knows? And you are 80 and 134# and still at it! I am too close to 215 and my wife is after me to lose 15#....not so easy these days. The only one I have that is a concern is the V Strom 650 XT, big, top heavy and just heavy bike. Not nearly as much fun as my V7....or My Enfield 500....but superb at the 5 day mostly backroads and dirt road trips I have been doing. But I worry about dropping it off road and that worry is not going away as I get older. Regarding the OPs question about which smaller, lighter, lower bike.........I still think the Enfield Meteor 350 would be perfect, though I am not at all into the cruiser look or seating position. The bike is supposedly super comfortable, has a low seat, is not too heavy and is easy to ride and maneuver. And again, what is it, around $4,500 new? JMO
Scott
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When I reached 80 (years, not pounds) in 2016, I sold both my Stone Touring models as I knew I was beyond my ability to manage them safely, given I was 134#. My DR-650 had the lowering modifications and a Sargent's low seat and was manageable, but I did not like the feel of the engine. Not at all like my British big singles of 50 years prior. I replaced the DR with a new 2017 Honda CB-500 which had a 31" seat height and a wet weight of 414#. It is very well made, very thrifty on fuel (never below 70 mpg) but was horribly uncomfortable and still a bit tall for my 31" inseam. I decided to do what was necessary to make it a really adequate bike for what I (crossing my fingers) refer to as "the long haul". I had Wilbers in Germany make a shock set up to my meagre weight. A pair of "Vector" lowering links dropped the seat to just under 30" and when I perch on the Russell seat (best in the business; worth every penny) the seat drops another 1/2". 2" taller bars, a 2T larger countershaft sprocket and I have a "keeper". I have absolute comfort and confidence on the Honda.
I did succumb to a new '21 Royal Enfield "Interceptor 650" with 20mm shorter shocks and it's still a bit taller than I like. I dropped 30# from its OEM wet weight of about 472 so it's just over 440# wet, now. It also has a Russell seat. What it and the Honda did not have and will never have is the Guzzi charisma and provenance and, yes, Luap's wonderful WGC forum.
I got adventurous Last Spring and bought the ex-John Hemenway 2004 Breva 750 and I admit I'm a bit wary of it for its greater weight than the Enfield, lower and more narrow bars. But, so far, I have not had a "happening" with it. I'm fine as long as I'm moving over 5 mph on it, but at traffic stops I admit to being a bit anxious, afraid I'll drop it. But, I'm still a Guzzisti and figure I have another year or two of ability to ride the Breva 750. Maybe another year beyond that on the Enfield.
The Honda CB-500 as modified likely will be my last ride, but if I'm still physically fit (or around at all) I can see going to a small scooter.
You may have to change the playing field a bit, but if you're still on two wheels, live with it and enjoy it.
You Sir, are definitely THE MAN!!!
And what an inspiration to riders of all ages. 👍
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When I reached 80 (years, not pounds) in 2016, I sold both my Stone Touring models as I knew I was beyond my ability to manage them safely, given I was 134#. My DR-650 had the lowering modifications and a Sargent's low seat and was manageable, but I did not like the feel of the engine. Not at all like my British big singles of 50 years prior. I replaced the DR with a new 2017 Honda CB-500 which had a 31" seat height and a wet weight of 414#. It is very well made, very thrifty on fuel (never below 70 mpg) but was horribly uncomfortable and still a bit tall for my 31" inseam. I decided to do what was necessary to make it a really adequate bike for what I (crossing my fingers) refer to as "the long haul". I had Wilbers in Germany make a shock set up to my meagre weight. A pair of "Vector" lowering links dropped the seat to just under 30" and when I perch on the Russell seat (best in the business; worth every penny) the seat drops another 1/2". 2" taller bars, a 2T larger countershaft sprocket and I have a "keeper". I have absolute comfort and confidence on the Honda.
I did succumb to a new '21 Royal Enfield "Interceptor 650" with 20mm shorter shocks and it's still a bit taller than I like. I dropped 30# from its OEM wet weight of about 472 so it's just over 440# wet, now. It also has a Russell seat. What it and the Honda did not have and will never have is the Guzzi charisma and provenance and, yes, Luap's wonderful WGC forum.
I got adventurous Last Spring and bought the ex-John Hemenway 2004 Breva 750 and I admit I'm a bit wary of it for its greater weight than the Enfield, lower and more narrow bars. But, so far, I have not had a "happening" with it. I'm fine as long as I'm moving over 5 mph on it, but at traffic stops I admit to being a bit anxious, afraid I'll drop it. But, I'm still a Guzzisti and figure I have another year or two of ability to ride the Breva 750. Maybe another year beyond that on the Enfield.
The Honda CB-500 as modified likely will be my last ride, but if I'm still physically fit (or around at all) I can see going to a small scooter.
You may have to change the playing field a bit, but if you're still on two wheels, live with it and enjoy it.
Good to hear you can "Keep on Trucking!" You inspire us all.
My riding buddy who is your age always has lots of wisdom to dispense.
One of the memorable pearls is "at my age, you don't buy any green bananas!"
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How about a Kawasaki Vulcan 650, you won't find much smaller than that.
Suzuki Savage, Boulevard, S40 or whatever they call it nowadays a 650 thumper that's been around since 1984
I think its currently called the Suzuki Boulevard S40
a few years back, I bought a Savage (known as a Boulevard S40 over here for a few years now) for my wife. One of the things I remember about the bike was any time I went to move it around physically, I'd reach for the handlebars, only to find my hands were several inches above the grips. Very small bike. Almost bicycle like or toy like. That may turn some people off.
IIRC, the Savage is about 20 lbs heavier than the DR 650. Due to the small size it feels like about 50 pounds lighter, eve just pushing it around.
I was always a bit surprised that the Savage did not absolutely destroy all the 250-400cc "chopper style" beginner bikes in sales. Styling maybe?
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I've always wanted to take a Savage and add a Ryca kit.
(https://i.ibb.co/P5YPZRT/6.webp) (https://ibb.co/P5YPZRT)
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I've always wanted to take a Savage and add a Ryca kit.
(https://i.ibb.co/P5YPZRT/6.webp) (https://ibb.co/P5YPZRT)
That is a good looking bike! but the seat looks good for maybe 20 minutes.
Scott
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If you're thinking about the Versys 300, why not checkout the Z400 while you're there.
More torque, and likely a lower seat then the Versys.
I've owned a couple of the MG V7. Light bike and handles well, but the seat is a bit high for me. Normally not an issue.
One that I've been looking at is a Versys 300 - or maybe a KLX300. Both are a bit tall, but easily lowered.
The Versys is a bit more pavement worthy, and rider friendly, plus has a decent seat.
:boozing:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51112782897_a21444abc7_b.jpg)
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My 2-bits worth. I have a Himalayan and an old Yamaha 225 Sero. I've had a TW200. My son has a dr650 and is a good rider.
I'm 74 years old. 6'1"
I ride the Himalayan mostly on forest service roads here in British Columbia. It is perfect for that. The bottom end grunt and the fit and balance of the machine lets me putt through deep ruts made by logging trucks, muddy tracks, and across rocky surfaces just fine. It doesn't feel heavy at all.
I can do as well as my son on his DR650, even better when having to go slow to get through things.
His is better for winding secondary pave roads simply because his has more power. But, I'm not far behind. Neither are highway bikes.
The Sero I use on the farm. If Yamaha ever made a updated version of that bike, I'd buy one. It is so light.
I didn't like the TW200 at all. Suspension was hard. The fat tires provided no traction whatsoever on wet ground. It was gutless.
Maintenance on the Himalayan, just like the Sero, is dead simple. I've been thinking about upgrading the Himalayan with a kit to make it a 477cc, just for fun.
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I found a most excellent motorcycle that is much lighter and that I can actually swing my leg over.
2009 Kawasaki Vulcan 900 Classic LT with 12,xxx miles - new Metzlers, complete service including coolant and brake fluid, more.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51754367699_3b1407b2fa_b.jpg)
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Bravo!! Nice color, too. Excellent therapy in swinging a leg over and pulling the bike off the stand. Way to go, Kevin.
Sarah