V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest

[Sye]

My guess would be around 215kg (475lbs) wet, ish.

[LowRyter]

510 lb gassed. no bags.  take it to the bank.

[pebra]

510 lb gassed. no bags.  take it to the bank.

So, is that a fact, or a guess?

I'd be disappointed with that figure - but not overly surprised.

[Mr Revhead]

I would be utterly astounded if its that heavy. That's Cali EV weight. No way the V100 will weigh that much

[bad Chad]

He's guessing, no one, outside the walls of the Guzzi factory knows yet, hope that changes soon.

[Phil/TX]

510 may be close, hope that’s wet, V 85 463 dry, 534 wet with panniers.

[Dirk_S]

I’m guessing 505 lb wet.

[LowRyter]

So, is that a fact, or a guess?

I'd be disappointed with that figure - but not overly surprised.

my guess, why disappointed?  Heck my Duc 917 is about 450 gassed.  Feels very light. 

With 1000cc/110+ HP, what the problem?

[LowRyter]

I would be utterly astounded if its that heavy. That's Cali EV weight. No way the V100 will weigh that much

EV is 600+ lb  (no bags)

V11 Sport is 540 lb

[Mr Revhead]

EV is 600+ lb  (no bags)

V11 Sport is 540 lb

EV might get that heavy with full bags. They are listed at  250kgs with empty bags. I'm talking Tonti EV, not the 1400.
I cannot see how the V100 could weight that much. I reckon 200kgs is more like it. There is a lot of alloy in the engine/gearbox and swingarm. The steel frame is quite small.
Either way, for the size about power, it's going to be about right.

[rocker59]

EV might get that heavy with full bags. They are listed at  250kgs with empty bags. I'm talking Tonti EV, not the 1400.
I cannot see how the V100 could weight that much. I reckon 200kgs is more like it. There is a lot of alloy in the engine/gearbox and swingarm. The steel frame is quite small.
Either way, for the size about power, it's going to be about right.

Your memory is rounding down.  Full of fuel and ready to ride, an EV is near 600 lbs.

Make Model   Moto Guzzi California 1100 EV

Dry Weight   251.0 kg / 553.3 lbs

[Sye]

My guess of 215kg wet is based on a few factors.

Engine is much lighter and loses the heavy flywheel and clutch assembly. Lightweight wheels, the engine is 4.1 inches shorter than the V85 TT and it has a lightweight tubular steel frame.

The V85TT weighs 210 kg / 463 lbs dry and the V100 should be lighter but we'll see.

[Huzo]

My guess of 215kg wet is based on a few factors.

Engine is much lighter and loses the heavy flywheel and clutch assembly. Lightweight wheels, the engine is 4.1 inches shorter than the V85 TT and it has a lightweight tubular steel frame.

The V85TT weighs 210 kg / 463 lbs dry and the V100 should be lighter but we'll see.

It has to be lighter.
It’s got bigger holes where the pistons go...

[Sye]

It has to be lighter.
It’s got bigger holes where the pistons go...

  Go on Huzo, hazard a guess.

[Dimitri_Harkov]

215kg? I'd really like that, but no way.

I'd say at least 230kg-ish like the V7 850.
And that's all I dare to hope! I fear it will be heavier...

@Huzo:  But if compression is higher, maybe that increases weight again? 

Cheers,
D.

[PJPR01]

EV is 600+ lb  (no bags)

V11 Sport is 540 lb

If it's lighter or equal in weight to a V11, and has more horsepower, it will be a winning sporty combination.  Does it really matter if it's 500 lbs or 490 or 510? 

Personally, I think it's going to be lightning fast compared to any other Guzzi model out there...and that's far faster than most people ride anyway...I can't wait to get on one and ride it!

[Ncdan]

Please y’all, don’t get Peter riled up😂

Dan

[Huzo]

Please y’all, don’t get Peter riled up😂

Dan

Hard though it is to believe Dan, I’m not sure that I wouldn’t pick Dave Swanson’s V11 ahead of a V100 if I could ride away on either one.

[bad Chad]

How can you say that when neither you or anyone you know has ridden one?

[kingoffleece]

Classic vs new, I'd guess.  Given either one, I'd take the classic.  Not that I don't care for the new bike-I DO!-but classic is, well, classic.  And if classic matters then classic wins............... ..or something like that.

[Huzo]

How can you say that when neither you or anyone you know has ridden one?

Because I choose not to have one.
The things that make me not want to own one are not related to features or performance. I’m happy for anyone who gets one and I trust that they will be very happy.

[Huzo]

Classic vs new, I'd guess.  Given either one, I'd take the classic.  Not that I don't care for the new bike-I DO!-but classic is, well, classic.  And if classic matters then classic wins............... ..or something like that.

No KoF, it’s EXACTLY like that.
Moto Guzzi needs the V100 (and it’s eventual variants), to survive...I don’t.
I will certainly take the first opportunity to ride one that I can though.

[bad Chad]

Ok, I get it.

I just can’t imagine having both in front of me and being told, ride them both, and take the one you like home.   Then responding,  “ no thanks, not really interested, I’m just going to take the v11, I know I really like that bike. “. (Shrug)

[Huzo]

Ok, I get it.

I just can’t imagine having both in front of me and being told, ride them both, and take the one you like home.   Then responding,  “ no thanks, not really interested, I’m just going to take the v11, I know I really like that bike. “. (Shrug)

Yep.
The V100 in it’s unknown state comes with major advantages and the possibility of major dramas. I don’t think for a moment that they will materialise, but I see the V100 as a huge leap across a hitherto un navigated abyss.
Whereas the older platforms have been a long series of developmental increments..(like the GS BMW’s), safe baby steps if you will.
If I was younger and not already enamoured with my Norge, I’d have placed my deposit already. I want the new breed of V100 riders to look disdainfully at my Norge and power wheelie away into the distance..We will both be happy, I wish them well.
I won’t have time to wear the V100 out, before electric bikes have made major inroads into the landscape.

 I’ll be happy if my last motorcycle memories are on the Norge.

[Jorg66]

@  HUZO .And your V85 !?
I'll for myself will keep an eye on the V 100. But for now as long as i can handle the 1400 for two up ,it'll stay plus for 'play' the '18, V7 will do.

[Huzo]

@  HUZO .And your V85 !?
I'll for myself will keep an eye on the V 100. But for now as long as i can handle the 1400 for two up ,it'll stay plus for 'play' the '18, V7 will do.

Well Jorg66, considering the km’s are now being spread across 2 bikes, I can’t see why I’ll need another bike for the remainder.
The Norge has given no indication that it won’t do at least 250,000 k and the V85 is almost new @ 24,000 km, so there’s 200,000 odd km of riding left.
If I crashed my Norge and destroyed it, I don’t think I’d buy another. That would cajole me into a V100, but until then...

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

Emailed my dealer this AM to pull my deposit on the V100.

I still want the bike, but with no info forthcoming and only the rumored *hope* that it will release in Sept/Oct 2022, I am going to relinquish my spot at the top of my dealer's wait list.  Doesnt make sense to take delivery on October (maybe) and then park the bike in my garage for 5 months while the warranty ticks away. Historically my bikes dont go from Nov-April, or maybe a couple rides snuck in if the weather is abnormally good. That's not how I want to spend the first half-year of my V100 ownership.

I'll have one, just maybe in spring 2023, and I wont be the first kid on the block to get theirs.

oh well, c'est la vie

[kingoffleece]

When I was at a dealership we'd hold paperwork over winter until delivery so customer would get full warrentee coverage time.

[Huzo]

Go on Huzo, hazard a guess.

I couldn’t possibly..
The holes where the pistons go, are full of atmosphere @ BDC and I don’t have my periodic table with me.
Not knowing the atomic weight of Nitrogen and Oxygen leaves me unable to work it out.

But I’ll try...
I’ll say the electric version will be out in 2028 and it will weigh...........563 lbs. uncharged and 563 lbs. charged.

Electrons are massless and pop in and out of existence.

[lucky phil]

I couldn’t possibly..
The holes where the pistons go, are full of atmosphere @ BDC and I don’t have my periodic table with me.
Not knowing the atomic weight of Nitrogen and Oxygen leaves me unable to work it out.

But I’ll try...
I’ll say the electric version will be out in 2028 and it will weigh...........563 lbs. uncharged and 563 lbs. charged.

Electrons are massless and pop in and out of existence.

I just thought they could be in 2 places at once.

Ciao