Crankshaft seizure problems with V7 II'S

[Markinlv]

Service manager = Todd?
How did you discover the grade difference?
Tiffany told me that they "cannot get" AGIP/Eni and use Motoul, but the grade difference is a surprise.

You are correct sir, I only found out about the grade difference because I asked when picking up the bike. 

[Markinlv]

Mark, when did you buy your V7 II?

Second week of January

[SportsterDoc]

You are correct sir, I only found out about the grade difference because I asked when picking up the bike.

Could you have been told wrong?
Does the invoice itemize?

[Kev m]

Tiffany told me that they "cannot get" AGIP/Eni and use Motoul, but the grade difference is a surprise.

How could a dealer not be "able" to get the OEM recommended fluid, that owners in the US don't seem to have a problem getting?

[SportsterDoc]

Second week of January

Got mine Feb 10.   
I emailed the service manager.   If I do not get a satisfactory reply, I will do my own service.
Still looking for headbolt torque specs.

[Kev m]

Now I have a dilemma. I can easily do all the first service..although the "service manual" does not list head bolt torque...or I did not find it.
Well, maybe not easily, as the older I get, doing work on the garage floor is it quite as easy as it was when I was 16...54 years ago.
...and putting it on a lift, makes it easy to turn the rear tire to get to TDC to adjust valves.
Part of the list is to check plug gap, which I have already done...but the plugs should come out for TDC, anyway..although seeing the valves closed may suffice.

Main purpose of going to the dealer was to establish a relationship, should there be a warranty issue.

There are threads here (and dealers too) who can talk you through the service if desired.

And I'm not sure a single service would establish any real relationship should warranty work arise.

That said I never actually needed a warranty claim on any of my Guzzis (while they were in warranty) anyway.

[SportsterDoc]

There are threads here (and dealers too) who can talk you through the service if desired.

And I'm not sure a single service would establish any real relationship should warranty work arise.

That said I never actually needed a warranty claim on any of my Guzzis (while they were in warranty) anyway.

Since I am in the process of retiring, I am not entirely on Social Security, so spending $ for the first service is OK with the budget.
However, since I have a tenancy to micromanage, and since doubt has been raised by Mark, the question is will ALL be done 100% correct?
If I do it myself, then I know what has been done.

I have posted on the XLForum about service from Ventura H-D and Simi Valley H-D, some years ago.
I paid Ventura for the first service, circa Dec 2002.

One of the service items is to lube clutch cable.
I was on a ride in Canyon Country (north of Los Angeles), a couple/three weeks later, when clutch pull greatly increased.
I stopped by an off-road M/C place and bought a can of cable lube.
A few minutes later, all was good...except my opinion of the Ventura H-D service department.

In the Spring of 2005, I took my XL1200 Sport to Simi H-D for new tires.
$300 mounted and balanced seemed reasonable.

As I rode away, I heard noise from the front...the axle pinch bolt(s) were very loose.
Made a U turn and "mechanic" snugged them up.

A day or two later, I was on my way to Anaheim on business, when I heard popping noises from the rear hub and the hub was hot...about 70 miles from home.
Apparently, the "mechanic" drove out the rear axle (not enough anti-seize from the factory), but did NOT replace the rear wheel bearings.
The side load on the inner races damaged them.   I did not return in the carpool lane at 70 MPH.

Never needed service from Simi Valley Triumph/Yamaha/Suzuki, as I did plug and oil changes (more often than suggested) on the Bonneville.
However, when I had a new tire mounted at a place in Las Vegas (one year and 7,000 miles), just before a ride from Las Vegas to Simi and back, I found out how good a job was done on balancing.

Not that I had any business doing 108, but that was the "I can feel it is not balanced" speed, when the rear started hopping.

On the TW200, I did a couple oil and filter changes, then traded it in after 45 days and 900 miles.

Sixties through eighties, no one else touched any one of the 10 bikes.

Think I am talking myself into doing it my self.

Anyone got torque specs on V7 II head bolts?

[Kev m]

Pete Roper or GuzziSteve are dealers/techs and they can confirm whether or not anything changed, but I'm betting it's the same V7I vs V7II.

If so there's a detailed write up about the first service including head retorque specs and suggestions in a thread I wrote.

I'll search for it.


Edit, this should help:


http://www.wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=60261.0

[SportsterDoc]

Pete Roper or GuzziSteve are dealers/techs and they can confirm whether or not anything changed, but I'm betting it's the same V7I vs V7II.

If so there's a detailed write up about the first service including head retorque specs and suggestions in a thread I wrote.

I'll search for it.


Edit, this should help:


http://www.wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=60261.0

Thanks, Kev, you have been a lot of help
However, the link just took me to log-in and the home page.

[Kev m]

Nuts, works for me weird.

http://www.wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=60261.0

Looks like the same link. Why is it working for me?

[Kev m]

OK I cheated and bumped it.

But maybe this will work too:

http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=60261.0

[SportsterDoc]

OK I cheated and bumped it.

But maybe this will work too:

http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=60261.0

Thanks
Took me right to it.

M8 head botls are 28 Nm = 20.6 ft lbs
M10 are 42 Nm = 30.9 ft lbs

After looking at the vent hose spring clamps, I see why you suggested lifting the tank a few inches.

With plugs out, why not rotate tire to get TDC, rather than remove front engine cover?

Will go back and re-read.

[SportsterDoc]

Mark
I just (~5:30 PM) got a call from Todd, the service manager and I was satisfied with the conversation.
He had not received my last two emails and did not get the two I sent him while we were talking.
His head tech is Mario, who did a shift lever link adjustment before I rode away on Feb 10 and I got a good impression from him.
I will have a discussion with Mario, before signing the authorization on Tuesday.

[DaSwami]

Well, ain't this some crap.  V7II Stone 1285 miles runs awesome.  V7II Special 50 miles but I will keep a close eye on it as the miles pile up. 

I LOVE these bikes, sold a CB1100 and a Triumph Scrambler to keep them because those bikes don't stir the soul like the Guzzi.

But I HATE problems, esp. those of this magnitude.

[v65tt]

Wrong grade, used 10w-50 in engine oil as opposed for MG recommended 10w/60.  I asked about it and the service manager was just condescending.  If I felt more confident or could find a good video on checking valve clearence I would just do it myself.

10w50 is suitable for a v7 engine, thats what i run mine on.. In the cold damp uk using 10w50 seems to dramatically lower the the amount of majo in the oil.

Remember manufacture have to spec and oil that is suitable for use in cold damp countries as well as scorching hot countries.

[leafman60]

Here's where they were all made-

[sib]

That shifty-looking guy in the first pic is the disgruntled employee who sabotaged the engines by leaving out the crankshaft thrust washers.

[DaSwami]

That shifty-looking guy in the first pic is the disgruntled employee who sabotaged the engines by leaving out the crankshaft thrust washers.

Oddly enough, that explanation would give me the most comfort.

[SportsterDoc]

That shifty-looking guy in the first pic is the disgruntled employee who sabotaged the engines by leaving out the crankshaft thrust washers.

Now, you are making me go back to the beginning to find out if the issue is missing or too thin!
Sigh!

[SmithSwede]

Looks like the eagle-eyed guy in the suit has spotted the shifty guy. 

[leafman60]

Looks like the eagle-eyed guy in the suit has spotted the shifty guy.

The guy in the suit is the head of all production for Moto Guzzi.

[guzzisteve]

He's just asking the other why all those thrust bushings are on the floor.

[waxi]

He's just asking the other why all those thrust bushings are on the floor.

Phahahahahaha...

[jpv7]

Don't take the timing cover off.  Just rotate the rear wheel with plugs out.  Simple.

[Kev m]

Don't take the timing cover off.  Just rotate the rear wheel with plugs out.  Simple.

I don't know who you're talking to, but if it's Doc he's got a wet alternator so I'm thinking there's no way he was thinking of taking the timing cover off lol.

[jpv7]

SportsterDoc see previous post

[SportsterDoc]

SportsterDoc see previous post

Understood, thank you

[Kev m]

SportsterDoc see previous post

I know but if you read that post it was in response to the link to my break-in service thread where we'd already covered that wasn't an option on a wet alternator bike anyway.

[waxi]

Anything new regarding missing thrust washers? Are we any closer on isolating this issue via VIN?

[jpv7]

Dealer up here seems to think it only affects V7ii Stones.  I haven't yet heard of a Special or Racer having this issue, but please correct me if I am wrong.  Does it make sense that the Stones are the first off the assembly line??  Could that be why?