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Title: What do you think about this Griso ?
Post by: MotoGuzzi750 on January 21, 2022, 09:37:09 AM
I am excited/looking forward to hear back from seller !
I want to get this Grisso.
What do you guys think about this listing overall?
I have made an offer lower than asking price, since my budget is limited, and I already own 2004 Breva 750, which I have to sell most certainly.

https://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2011-Moto-Guzzi-GRISO-8V-SE-5019666801


Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: kingoffleece on January 21, 2022, 09:44:26 AM
If memory serves that year needed the flat tappets corrected.  You should check that to be sure.
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: brider on January 21, 2022, 09:48:07 AM
Slim pickin's these days for Griso's, I did a search yesterday and came up with like 2 nationwide. Yes, my search tools are "lazy", but still, they're no Civic in the used market.
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: guzzisteve on January 21, 2022, 10:01:44 AM
Looks ideal to me if it has Roller Tappets, well covered if you done your homework. Doesn't hurt to ask the seller, otherwise may cost $2K.
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: MotoGuzzi750 on January 21, 2022, 10:09:50 AM
Looks ideal to me if it has Roller Tappets, well covered if you done your homework. Doesn't hurt to ask the seller, otherwise may cost $2K.

Thanks. Is this is something I can do it myself and save/cut down on 2k repair?
I am somewhat mechanically inclined.
Is this something that has to be done urgently ? what are the down sides if I use as it is for few months at least?
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: Kiwi_Roy on January 21, 2022, 10:10:22 AM
It probably started out with flat tappets being pre 2012

https://www.grisoghetto.com/t5879-the-definitive-guide-to-rollerisation
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on January 21, 2022, 10:15:14 AM
All Tenni color Grisos had flat tappets and need the recall performed, hopefully since this one was bought and serviced at MI in Seattle, it was done early on. I would deff confirm with the seller, maybe even request pics under the valve cover. The expense is not insanely high, but the kits to do the repair are becoming pretty sparse on the ground. Last time I checked, AFI had the right kit but it was near $2k and thats still not accounting for labor. Despite what Roper and other skilled mechanics have said, it is not an easy/quick job for someone who is simply 'handy with a wrench'. It is a true mechanic or dealer job IMHO.
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: fotoguzzi on January 21, 2022, 10:25:32 AM
The pics are beautiful.. it's a real stunning look. It the roller fix was done you should grab it right up. You'll be in an exclusive club. Have you visited grisoghetto.com?
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: usedtobefast on January 21, 2022, 10:41:34 AM
Beautiful bike with some high quality and expensive updates.  If it has been changed from flat to roller tappets I'd say that price is about right.

Lots of info on the internet about the flat tappet problem.  And some good write ups about how to do it yourself.  The issue is the tappets had a coating that was supposed to last forever and prevent wear ... but the coating wears off and then the metal tappets start wearing.  Seems they all do that just at various wear at various miles.  Meaning, some with 10k miles are worn a lot and others at same mileage are just starting to wear.

For me, my biggest concern is all the coating and worn off metal from the tappets getting into the oil system ... where does it all go, what issues does that cause, etc.  In the past the parts were ~$1200 and the labor was ~$1200. 



Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: Dilliw on January 21, 2022, 11:17:15 AM
Bought the same bike used at about the mileage back in 2016.  Still loving it today!  I'll bet a nickel, however, this one still has the flat tappets (as did mine).

If you can get through the dealer route still it's about $500 in labor.  The good news is this bike will probably only need the less expensive kit, so if you can do it yourself it won't be that expensive.  Last I read they were around $1k?

He probably bought it with the Mistral can on there from MI and the suspension bits from Guzzitech are the only mentioned add ons. The cannister is still on so you have someone who left it stock and that's real good for buying used.

I'd be happy to buy mine again; you just need a plan for those flatties.
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: MotoGuzzi750 on January 21, 2022, 11:51:16 AM
It probably started out with flat tappets being pre 2012

https://www.grisoghetto.com/t5879-the-definitive-guide-to-rollerisation

After reading this guide, my Grisso fever has come down significantly.
Now I am like " Hmmm..let me think about it.."

Thanks for warning. I may be still interested if roller issue is already fixed/partial sharing of repair cost or something like that.
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: MotoGuzzi750 on January 21, 2022, 11:58:44 AM
The pics are beautiful.. it's a real stunning look. It the roller fix was done you should grab it right up. You'll be in an exclusive club. Have you visited grisoghetto.com?

No I have not yet until today. But I will check it out.
I hope that roller fix is done already, I will be happy to grab it. Lets see how it all goes..
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: MotoGuzzi750 on January 21, 2022, 12:03:53 PM
Beautiful bike with some high quality and expensive updates.  If it has been changed from flat to roller tappets I'd say that price is about right.

Lots of info on the internet about the flat tappet problem.  And some good write ups about how to do it yourself.  The issue is the tappets had a coating that was supposed to last forever and prevent wear ... but the coating wears off and then the metal tappets start wearing.  Seems they all do that just at various wear at various miles.  Meaning, some with 10k miles are worn a lot and others at same mileage are just starting to wear.

For me, my biggest concern is all the coating and worn off metal from the tappets getting into the oil system ... where does it all go, what issues does that cause, etc.  In the past the parts were ~$1200 and the labor was ~$1200.

Looks like in case the roller is Not fixed that cost would be asking rpice + roller fix cost = ( About 7k + 2.5k = 9.5k ).

( BTW, I am in SF South Bay Area myself )
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: tazio on January 21, 2022, 12:16:31 PM
Oh, and it's GRiSO.
One "s".
 :boozing:
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: jwinwi on January 21, 2022, 12:40:59 PM
As others have said, be sure to clarify the flat tappet issue.
OTOH, it comes with *Dyno tuned Vesrah race brake pads* those alone must be worth half of the purchase price.  :laugh:
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: guzziownr on January 21, 2022, 01:15:47 PM
The over/under for a low milage 2013 with rollers from the factory is $6K U.S.

Roller conversion? I'd rather not...

Three bolts take off the wing, six more remove the valve cover and the mystery is solved

Flats
(https://i.ibb.co/M6yjvxc/flats.jpg) (https://ibb.co/M6yjvxc)

 Rollers

(https://i.ibb.co/hm8knvc/roller.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hm8knvc)

 (https://500pxdownload.com/)
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: guzzisteve on January 21, 2022, 01:21:00 PM
Send the seller a note that you want a pic of head w/o covers, a close up shot. He should know about the issue.
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: Dilliw on January 21, 2022, 02:01:09 PM
The over/under for a low milage 2013 with rollers from the factory is $6K U.S.

Roller conversion? I'd rather not...

Three bolts take off the wing, six more remove the valve cover and the mystery is solved

Flats
(https://i.ibb.co/M6yjvxc/flats.jpg) (https://ibb.co/M6yjvxc)

 Rollers

(https://i.ibb.co/hm8knvc/roller.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hm8knvc)

 (https://500pxdownload.com/)



But, but, but it's a Tenni!  Save the Tenni's!!

Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: MotoGuzzi750 on January 21, 2022, 07:02:28 PM
Bought the same bike used at about the mileage back in 2016.  Still loving it today!  I'll bet a nickel, however, this one still has the flat tappets (as did mine).

If you can get through the dealer route still it's about $500 in labor.  The good news is this bike will probably only need the less expensive kit, so if you can do it yourself it won't be that expensive.  Last I read they were around $1k?

He probably bought it with the Mistral can on there from MI and the suspension bits from Guzzitech are the only mentioned add ons. The cannister is still on so you have someone who left it stock and that's real good for buying used.

I'd be happy to buy mine again; you just need a plan for those flatties.

How did you deal with the recall issue? How much did you spend on it? And How did you find which kit was needed, where did you get the kit from ?
Thanks.
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: MotoGuzzi750 on January 21, 2022, 07:09:04 PM
Oh, and it's GRiSO.
One "s".
 :boozing:

Oh, ok. Got it.
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: JJ on January 21, 2022, 07:17:20 PM
Bottom-line:  A fabulous, modern Guzzi....tappet issue aside.  Love the color and brown seat also!

Take $$$ CASH $$$ and make yourself a deal....as they said "OBO" - Or Best Offer... :wink: :bow: :thumb: :boozing:


(https://i.ibb.co/mJf9YPf/Screen-Shot-2022-01-21-at-6-15-53-PM.png) (https://ibb.co/mJf9YPf)
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: tazio on January 21, 2022, 07:27:32 PM
They ARE a thing of beauty. :wink:
(https://i.ibb.co/J2yKp9S/20210906-204930.jpg) (https://ibb.co/J2yKp9S)

 (https://statewideinventory.org/volkswagen-0-60-times)
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: MotoGuzzi750 on January 21, 2022, 07:31:12 PM
Bottom-line:  A fabulous, modern Guzzi....tappet issue aside.  Love the color and brown seat also!

Take $$$ CASH $$$ and make yourself a deal....as they said "OBO" - Or Best Offer... :wink: :bow: :thumb: :boozing:


(https://i.ibb.co/mJf9YPf/Screen-Shot-2022-01-21-at-6-15-53-PM.png) (https://ibb.co/mJf9YPf)


Good idea/agree with you. I may just offer 1k less cash and use it for the tappet repair.
Waiting for seller to respond, so that at least I know what he thinks about my offer/not sold already...will i be able to sleep well tonight ?
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: MotoGuzzi750 on January 21, 2022, 07:38:32 PM
They ARE a thing of beauty. :wink:
(https://i.ibb.co/J2yKp9S/20210906-204930.jpg) (https://ibb.co/J2yKp9S)


 (https://statewideinventory.org/volkswagen-0-60-times)

Couldn't agree more. One of my concern is ( believe it or not ), if i ever own one, I may not be able to do justice to this beautiful bike in terms of taking care of it. Don't get me wrong I spend time, effort on my bikes, but also i know that I am lazy/negligent/busy occasionally, at least compared to some of other bike owners.
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: MotoGuzzi750 on January 21, 2022, 07:47:53 PM
I need to find something to distract me from this waiting for response/any response at all.
Oh, maybe I can re-install side panels on my Breva 750, or work on wiring for the Lithium battery install on R1100 while I am waiting.
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: Tom H on January 21, 2022, 07:48:41 PM
Couldn't agree more. One of my concern is ( believe it or not ), if i ever own one, I may not be able to do justice to this beautiful bike in terms of taking care of it. Don't get me wrong I spend time, effort on my bikes, but also i know that I am lazy/negligent/busy occasionally, at least compared to some of other bike owners.

Don't worry about if you keep in as pretty a shape as the guys that have a climate controlled garage and polish every day do. If it's yours, do what makes you happy. And do your best to keep this and any other you own in as nice a shape as you can.

Tom
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: MotoGuzzi750 on January 21, 2022, 07:50:24 PM
They ARE a thing of beauty. :wink:
(https://i.ibb.co/J2yKp9S/20210906-204930.jpg) (https://ibb.co/J2yKp9S)


 (https://statewideinventory.org/volkswagen-0-60-times)

Your Griso looks so beautiful. Love it.
Did you have to deal with tappet issue as well ? or was it sorted out by factory on this model?
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: usedtobefast on January 21, 2022, 07:56:11 PM
As you are probably finding out ... many Guzzi owners feel some odd responsibility for the machines they own.   :laugh:   While they are in our possession we must do right by the bike.   :grin:

On the other hand ... if someone were to buy that Griso, and totally ignore (or not even know) about the flat tappets, the motor might still make it to 40,000 miles or more and run fine the entire time.  It has only gone to 9,800 miles after 10-11 years ... so if the new owner did the same, about 1k miles per year, you might have 20-30 years of fine riding to be had ... flat tappets just tapping away. 

Actually, I'm not sure how "death by flat tappets" turns out.  Pete Roper has some pictures of some really worn to crap tappets ... but I think the motor was still running. 

Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: usedtobefast on January 21, 2022, 08:03:31 PM
Another crazy idea ... can you still buy new flat tappets?  If so, how much are they and how hard to swap out?  (I am assuming swapping out flat tappets is significantly easier and cheaper than switching to rollers)

So ... if they are available and not too expensive ... you could pull it down to the tappets, see how worn they are ... replace with new tappets.  So if every 10K miles you swapped out $350 (wild guess) worth of tappets, maybe another option.  That's like the price of tires.   :grin:
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: Bulldog9 on January 21, 2022, 08:24:32 PM
As others have said, if the bike has been 'rollerized' that is a fair price. Easy to check. Not sure if the Portland shop is still in business, but you could call with the vin and check to see.  If not rollerized, I'd want $2K off the asking price rare Tenni color aside.

The bike looks well cared for and equipped. MOST Guzzi/Griso owners are well aware of the flat tappet issue, so is concerning that the seller doesn't mention it. Being sold at MI doesn't mean it was rollerized. Not sure when Dave and crew knew of the issue, and if they did them pre-delivery, so be 100% sure. Easy to tell, someone posted pics above.  Good Luck!

I love my Griso, and do go to Grisoghetto. If you end up with the bike, be sure to dial in the suspension to your wright and riding style. The Griso is NOT a sport/track bike, but is very capable, solid and responsive. With the wrong suspension settings and tire pressure it can also be an unwieldy pig.

I have a 2007, and with care the bike has held up very well.

(https://i.ibb.co/84KM0vR/IMG-20200605-124023214-HDR.jpg) (https://ibb.co/84KM0vR)

(https://i.ibb.co/Px976Yr/IMG-20200605-124033533-HDR.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Px976Yr)

(https://i.ibb.co/C8JRMrz/IMG-20200605-124046982-HDR.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C8JRMrz)
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: Motormike on January 21, 2022, 09:27:08 PM
I bought one with flat tappets knowing I'd have to do the repair.  Would have been simple enough job if not for the fact that some very bad advice caused me to order the wrong kit!  When I started the bike, it leaked oil like the Exxon Valdeze!  Roper set me straight (should have contacted him in the first place) on which kit I needed (Guzzi made THREE! roller conversion kits A, B, & C depending on when the bike was made) and after spending twice as much money as I'd planned, I had the bike up and running properly.  At least I was pretty familier with the top-end assembly procedures after all that!  :shocked: Luckly, I was able to sell the other kit to another Griso owner and recoup almost all my cost. 

The engine had just under 6K when I bought it.  two of the flat tappets had very minor wear through the black DLC, two were pretty discolored.  I suspect the kits (if you can even still get them) are much more costly than when I did mine 7 years or so ago.
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: MotoGuzzi750 on January 21, 2022, 10:52:21 PM
As others have said, be sure to clarify the flat tappet issue.
OTOH, it comes with *Dyno tuned Vesrah race brake pads* those alone must be worth half of the purchase price.  :laugh:

Oh wow, I didn't know those brake pads are so costly.

Just curious. What does dyno tuning race brake pads do ? Do they like put it on dyno machine and measure how well the brake pads are able to stop the bike or something else?
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: airhead on January 21, 2022, 11:39:09 PM
I rollerized my 2010 2 years ago. It's not a hard job if you are used to working on engines. If you have two left thumbs or you can't tell the difference between a c-clamp and a micrometer then you should have a shop do the job.

The kit was about $1200 and there are threads and videos on how to do it on grisoghetto
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: stubbie on January 21, 2022, 11:42:17 PM
You won't regret buying. Don't let the flat tappet problem stop you. Some have had the problem around 12,000Km's others 40,000 so it varies. Had mine 5 years and love riding it. Prefer riding over my Suzuki 1250. Only bought Suzuki so I didn't have to keep stopping and fueling up every 220km's. Other than that I (touch wood) have not had a problem.
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: GuzziOrDeath on January 21, 2022, 11:45:09 PM

Roller kits are still available. Do not ride for 40,000 miles before replacing them. Do not replace them with "new" flat tappets every 10,000 miles.

If it's not already rollerised, get it done immediately. Factor the cost into the price. If the seller won't confirm whether they're  flat or roller tappets, and won't accept a $1500 reduction in price, walk away.








Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: normzone on January 21, 2022, 11:57:11 PM
Too funny - saw my haircut guy today, and while waiting one of his cow-orkers and I talked about weather in So Cal, which led to talking about bikes.

He asked what I rode, and I told him I had a Guzzi. He gushed over how lucky I was, and described this super cool machine, that I eventually figured out he was talking about a Griso.

I didn't have the heart to tell him I had a Bassa.
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: Darren Williams on January 22, 2022, 05:53:08 AM
It's not just an issue with the tappets hard coating wearing/flaking off, it's where the hard coating goes when it comes off.

It's worse than putting sand in your oil. Bearing won't like it. 
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: MotoGuzzi750 on January 22, 2022, 06:44:13 AM
The over/under for a low milage 2013 with rollers from the factory is $6K U.S.

Roller conversion? I'd rather not...

Three bolts take off the wing, six more remove the valve cover and the mystery is solved

Flats
(https://i.ibb.co/M6yjvxc/flats.jpg) (https://ibb.co/M6yjvxc)

 Rollers

(https://i.ibb.co/hm8knvc/roller.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hm8knvc)

 (https://500pxdownload.com/)


Thanks a lot for your input and the pics. Appreciate it.
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: MotoGuzzi750 on January 22, 2022, 06:55:43 AM
It's not just an issue with the tappets hard coating wearing/flaking off, it's where the hard coating goes when it comes off.

It's worse than putting sand in your oil. Bearing won't like it.

Good point.
So what are you saying then/what would you do/suggest ? You mean its not a good idea to buy this Griso ?
Did I understand you correctly ?
I would be still interested if there is a reasonably cheaper workaround, if not then just move on and wait for another Griso which
does not have flat tappets. Someone here said 2013 Griso comes with factory rollers and for around 6k USD. I would prefer that/wait for such a bike for sale whenever that happens. ( I have my Breva 750 to ride/enjoy meanwhile :) )
Title: Re: What do you think about this Griso ?
Post by: fotoguzzi on January 22, 2022, 08:16:51 AM
•Dyno tuned•Vesrah race brake pads

There are no Dyno tuned brake pads.
It's supposed to read like this,

•Dyno tuned
•Vesrah race brake pads
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: Dilliw on January 22, 2022, 08:37:47 AM
How did you deal with the recall issue? How much did you spend on it? And How did you find which kit was needed, where did you get the kit from ?
Thanks.

A.  I went through the dealer process as I was lucky enough to have one near me.  You pay for an "inspection" of the tappets where the dealer takes pictures and sends them to Guzzi for consideration.  If Guzzi approves, they did approve mine at about the same mileage as this bike, then they will send the parts to dealer and the dealer will do the install.  You get the parts for free but you have to pay the labor.  In my case that came to right around $500 as I recall.

B.  The other approach is to buy the kit yourself and follow the install instructions/video on the Ghetto.  As a 2011 the bike probably needs a B kit unless it was very late 2011 and then it would take an A Kit.  Looks like the B Kit is in Atlanta as AF! shows it at 5-7 business days.  That's $1,300 in parts and your dirty hands.

https://www.af1racing.com/Moto-Guzzi-Bucket-Tappet-Update-Kit-B-1A002063

C. If you need a dealer or mechanic to install (I would) you are looking at $1,300 in parts and $500 or so  in labor. 

When I bought mine in 2016 I negotiated $1k off and got lucky with the dealer route.  My understanding, however, is that the offer from Guzzi to supply the parts might be over with now.  You'll just have to check with a dealer. 
Title: Re: What do you think about this Griso ?
Post by: guzzisteve on January 22, 2022, 10:42:44 AM
The ad states it was at 3 different dealers, and no one noticed the factory bulletin on the bike. The owner states washing the bike but doesn't want it in for a service bulletin on engine. Doesn't make seance  to me.
There is only one model Tenni Griso, it'll be worth the $$. Try to find and buy a Tenni V11 Sport.
Title: Re: What do you think about this Griso ?
Post by: usedtobefast on January 22, 2022, 10:46:29 AM
How attached are you to the Tenni green and tan seat?  Vs a "rosso" or "black devil"?  Not sure of other countries, but in the US, all the Tenni green Griso's originally came with flat tappets.  And since this guy mentioned so much in his ad, and did not mention it had been rollerized, seems a safe bet it is still flat tappets ... but you need to confirm that with the seller.

If you don't have to have a Tenni one, then might make sense to get a newer red or black one rollerized from the start bike. 2014 or newer you are 100% safe.  In 2013 I've heard earlier ones might be tappets, later 2013 bikes might be rollers, so you would need to verify on a 2013.

Another thing to consider is going older to a 2 valve (vs 4 valve head) which doesn't have the flat tappet issue.  Would be less money than a 2014+ but also older, but solid bikes.

Title: Re: What do you think about this Griso ?
Post by: usedtobefast on January 22, 2022, 11:00:34 AM
Oh, one more point on this ... since the OP is in my area ... none of the Moto Guzzi dealerships within ~2-3 hours knows how to do this.  The dealer in San Jose has only been a Guzzi dealer ~2 yrs and really just knows how to do basic service.  The Elk Grove dealer has been around longer but Guzzi's is a very small thing for them, not sure if they have ever done one.

If I was paying a dealer for this, I'd take it to Pro Italia in Southern Cal.  When I talked with them ~3 years ago on this topic, the person that answered the phone knew all about it, and knew rough price estimates off the top of his head.  And yes that is about a 6 hour road trip to get there.  :sad:

Title: Re: What do you think about this Griso ?
Post by: rschrum on January 22, 2022, 08:27:24 PM
All 2013's were rollers. 2012's were hit and miss.
Title: Re: What do you think about this Griso ?
Post by: AH Fan on January 22, 2022, 11:13:47 PM
The ad states it was at 3 different dealers, and no one noticed the factory bulletin on the bike. The owner states washing the bike but doesn't want it in for a service bulletin on engine. Doesn't make seance  to me.
There is only one model Tenni Griso, it'll be worth the $$. Try to find and buy a Tenni V11 Sport.

Seems a little strange and yes correct on all accounts.
I moved my Tenni Griso along years ago..... shouldn't of done that. So after coming to my senses a few years later bought a new roller motor Rosso Griso, Its a keeper.
And ya a Tenni Spinney is a little tough to find.
Enjoy the process and the insanity.   :thumb:
Title: Re: What do you think about this Griso ?
Post by: MotoGuzzi750 on January 23, 2022, 10:12:14 AM
Still no response from seller :(, I guess it's sold already.
I have offered $1000 less to accommodate for rollers and, will spend another $1000 from my pocket, for the total roller cost of $2k.
Not sure if the seller didn't like my offer or busy with something, but I would have liked to hear back either way.
Dead silence so far. Not sure whats is going on.
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: MotoGuzzi750 on January 23, 2022, 10:16:44 AM
Roller kits are still available. Do not ride for 40,000 miles before replacing them. Do not replace them with "new" flat tappets every 10,000 miles.

If it's not already rollerised, get it done immediately. Factor the cost into the price. If the seller won't confirm whether they're  flat or roller tappets, and won't accept a $1500 reduction in price, walk away.

Yup. Agree totally. I feel most comfortable going this route.
Title: Re: What do you think about this Griso ?
Post by: MotoGuzzi750 on January 23, 2022, 10:21:37 AM
•Dyno tuned•Vesrah race brake pads

There are no Dyno tuned brake pads.
It's supposed to read like this,

•Dyno tuned
•Vesrah race brake pads

Oh ok. Now it make sense, somehow for a moment I got confused what has Dyno tuning  to do with brake pads :)
Title: Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
Post by: MotoGuzzi750 on January 23, 2022, 10:28:39 AM
A.  I went through the dealer process as I was lucky enough to have one near me.  You pay for an "inspection" of the tappets where the dealer takes pictures and sends them to Guzzi for consideration.  If Guzzi approves, they did approve mine at about the same mileage as this bike, then they will send the parts to dealer and the dealer will do the install.  You get the parts for free but you have to pay the labor.  In my case that came to right around $500 as I recall.

B.  The other approach is to buy the kit yourself and follow the install instructions/video on the Ghetto.  As a 2011 the bike probably needs a B kit unless it was very late 2011 and then it would take an A Kit.  Looks like the B Kit is in Atlanta as AF! shows it at 5-7 business days.  That's $1,300 in parts and your dirty hands.

https://www.af1racing.com/Moto-Guzzi-Bucket-Tappet-Update-Kit-B-1A002063

C. If you need a dealer or mechanic to install (I would) you are looking at $1,300 in parts and $500 or so  in labor. 

When I bought mine in 2016 I negotiated $1k off and got lucky with the dealer route.  My understanding, however, is that the offer from Guzzi to supply the parts might be over with now.  You'll just have to check with a dealer.

Ok. Thanks for detailed info on this. This is a very good help for me, as I am pretty much a beginner to this/don't know much on this subject.
Much appreciated.
Title: Re: What do you think about this Griso ?
Post by: MotoGuzzi750 on January 23, 2022, 10:39:49 AM
How attached are you to the Tenni green and tan seat?  Vs a "rosso" or "black devil"?  Not sure of other countries, but in the US, all the Tenni green Griso's originally came with flat tappets.  And since this guy mentioned so much in his ad, and did not mention it had been rollerized, seems a safe bet it is still flat tappets ... but you need to confirm that with the seller.

If you don't have to have a Tenni one, then might make sense to get a newer red or black one rollerized from the start bike. 2014 or newer you are 100% safe.  In 2013 I've heard earlier ones might be tappets, later 2013 bikes might be rollers, so you would need to verify on a 2013.

Another thing to consider is going older to a 2 valve (vs 4 valve head) which doesn't have the flat tappet issue.  Would be less money than a 2014+ but also older, but solid bikes.

Not very much attached to Tenni green and tan seat frankly. I am liking your idea of going for model years as you have written in your post ( 2014 + etc ). I saw another griso on cycle trader that may work for me. Going to check on that one. I also like the idea of going with 2-valve models.
Let's see which one I am able to get hold off/find. Will keep looking. This seller is not responding to me anyways, so I guess I am getting this bike anyways.
Title: Re: What do you think about this Griso ?
Post by: blackcat on January 23, 2022, 10:42:54 AM
Personally, I'd wait for the later blk/white or red model.
Title: Re: What do you think about this Griso ?
Post by: MotoGuzzi750 on January 23, 2022, 10:45:34 AM
Oh, one more point on this ... since the OP is in my area ... none of the Moto Guzzi dealerships within ~2-3 hours knows how to do this.  The dealer in San Jose has only been a Guzzi dealer ~2 yrs and really just knows how to do basic service.  The Elk Grove dealer has been around longer but Guzzi's is a very small thing for them, not sure if they have ever done one.

If I was paying a dealer for this, I'd take it to Pro Italia in Southern Cal.  When I talked with them ~3 years ago on this topic, the person that answered the phone knew all about it, and knew rough price estimates off the top of his head.  And yes that is about a 6 hour road trip to get there.  :sad:

Ok. got it. Thanks a lot for all this info. appreciate it.

Whats "OP" btw?
Title: Re: What do you think about this Griso ?
Post by: Bulldog9 on January 23, 2022, 12:58:00 PM
Not very much attached to Tenni green and tan seat frankly. I am liking your idea of going for model years as you have written in your post ( 2014 + etc ). I saw another griso on cycle trader that may work for me. Going to check on that one. I also like the idea of going with 2-valve models.
Let's see which one I am able to get hold off/find. Will keep looking. This seller is not responding to me anyways, so I guess I am getting this bike anyways.

If that's the case, save your $$ and look for an 07/08 4V motor.  Oh I know I know some peoples faces will melt off as they scream "the 8V makes much more power"  And that is true, especially if you like to live above 6K all the time to enjoy the extra performance.

I owned an 8V Norge and 4V Griso at the same time, and other than that top end rush of the 8V, FAR preferred the character and response of the 4V motor even though it was down in power and displacement. After tuning and modifications, removing the Y pipe, custom Beetle Map, I got the Norge to a point where the motor felt and performed more to my liking, but I got the bug for an MGX and traded it for one.  I REGRETTED that decision, so sold the MGX and started looking for a 1200 Sport, or 4V Norge. Found my perfect match in Ohioriders 1200 Sport and havent looked back.  I've ridden several well sorted 8V Griso's and YES they make more power up top, I still prefer my 4V Griso.

Here is my Pro and Con of the 4V/8V

8V
Pro: Top end power (above 6K), slightly better fuel economy, OHC (in head) more modern design.
Con: Sounds like a bucket of bolts at idle and low rpm, double the # of adjusters, more complex, crappy spark plug leads, less character below 6K, less 'authentic' Guzzi feel,

4V
Pro: Bargain entry price, Bulletproof motor, more character and grunt below 6K, easier maintenance, silky smooth and quiet,
Cons: Less power above 6K, older design.

If you really aren't sold on and committed to the Tenni (I think you are crazy not to, these are RARE and easily sorted) I would seriously look at a 4V.
Title: Re: What do you think about this Griso ?
Post by: LowRyter on January 23, 2022, 05:13:29 PM
The ad states it was at 3 different dealers, and no one noticed the factory bulletin on the bike. The owner states washing the bike but doesn't want it in for a service bulletin on engine. Doesn't make seance  to me.
There is only one model Tenni Griso, it'll be worth the $$. Try to find and buy a Tenni V11 Sport.

I remember when this all came to light on the board.  About the same time, a local dealer (not Guzzi) was selling a used 8V Norge.  I mentioned the roller issue to the sales manager.  He said that they contacted Guzzi tech support and was told the bike was OK.  The bike was subsequently sold, the new owner joined this board and informed us of his situation.  He was stuck with purchasing and installing the kit. 

If the owner is still on the board and I got this wrong, apology in advance, just my best memory.

I think Guzzi was pretty miserly with support on this.  No recall.  Just an inspection initiated by the owner and some were approved, others not.  Some were partial pay for parts/labor when out of warranty.  That's why I thought the Norge sale was disingenuous at best.   Knowing this history has made me reluctant to purchase a new Guzzi.
Title: Re: What do you think about this Griso ?
Post by: MotoGuzzi750 on January 23, 2022, 08:04:12 PM
If that's the case, save your $$ and look for an 07/08 4V motor.  Oh I know I know some peoples faces will melt off as they scream "the 8V makes much more power"  And that is true, especially if you like to live above 6K all the time to enjoy the extra performance.

I owned an 8V Norge and 4V Griso at the same time, and other than that top end rush of the 8V, FAR preferred the character and response of the 4V motor even though it was down in power and displacement. After tuning and modifications, removing the Y pipe, custom Beetle Map, I got the Norge to a point where the motor felt and performed more to my liking, but I got the bug for an MGX and traded it for one.  I REGRETTED that decision, so sold the MGX and started looking for a 1200 Sport, or 4V Norge. Found my perfect match in Ohioriders 1200 Sport and havent looked back.  I've ridden several well sorted 8V Griso's and YES they make more power up top, I still prefer my 4V Griso.

Here is my Pro and Con of the 4V/8V

8V
Pro: Top end power (above 6K), slightly better fuel economy, OHC (in head) more modern design.
Con: Sounds like a bucket of bolts at idle and low rpm, double the # of adjusters, more complex, crappy spark plug leads, less character below 6K, less 'authentic' Guzzi feel,

4V
Pro: Bargain entry price, Bulletproof motor, more character and grunt below 6K, easier maintenance, silky smooth and quiet,
Cons: Less power above 6K, older design.

If you really aren't sold on and committed to the Tenni (I think you are crazy not to, these are RARE and easily sorted) I would seriously look at a 4V.

Thanks for the details. What year should I be looking for a 4V motor? Is it only one/two years ? 2007 and 2008 ?
Or is there a range of years that had 4V motors? if yes, do you happen to know what year range is that ?
So that I can keep those year models in mind when looking/searching.

I am liking this idea, and most likely purchase a 4V if one comes up for sale. At the same time, may not be able to resist a 8V if one comes up for sale and I don't want to wait forever for a 4V. Let's see how it all goes, but at least by now I kind of know what I want/many things are clearer so as to what to expect from diff model years.
And it will be cheaper too ! He He.
Title: Re: What do you think about this Griso ?
Post by: usedtobefast on January 24, 2022, 11:18:29 AM
If that's the case, save your $$ and look for an 07/08 4V motor. 

With the 07/08 models, are those the ones with possible dash issues?  And if the dash goes, does the bike still run ok?

I went through this same shopping experience ~3 years ago.  :laugh:

Also with the 4v (2v per cylinder) bikes ... you get the "normal" wheels which are tubeless and not a ton of spokes and little o-rings to possibly leak air (the 8v SE models are also tubeless, but each wire spoke has an o-ring where it attaches at the rim).  I personally like the looks of the spokes vs "mag" wheel. 

With the 4v you get shinny paint vs the matt paint of the 8v.

And with my 8v I rarely rev it over 6k rpms so I really don't get the advantage of the additional higher rpm power, so powerwise, I think I'd be happy with a 4v.


Title: Re: What do you think about this Griso ?
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on January 24, 2022, 12:19:35 PM
I sent this dude a couple emails and he has not responded
Title: Re: What do you think about this Griso ?
Post by: MotoGuzzi750 on January 24, 2022, 12:35:30 PM
I sent this dude a couple emails and he has not responded

Ok. Interesting behavior by the seller. Why would one put up a for sale ad, and not respond ? beats me. Must be out of town or something.
But i don't know whats the deal with this listing. I am not going to waste anymore time on this listing when I can potentially get a cheaper  ( And better for my liking ) 4V, 2007/2008, which is what I am searching for now.
Title: Re: What do you think about this Griso ?
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on January 24, 2022, 12:55:34 PM
Ok. Interesting behavior by the seller. Why would one put up a for sale ad, and not respond ? beats me. Must be out of town or something.
But i don't know whats the deal with this listing. I am not going to waste anymore time on this listing when I can potentially get a cheaper  ( And better for my liking ) 4V, 2007/2008, which is what I am searching for now.

If I could get confirmation it's got rollers, I would pay the premium and the shipping. But unlike yourself I am very hot on the Tenni, it's one of my favorite all-time guzzi
Title: Re: What do you think about this Griso ?
Post by: PJPR01 on January 24, 2022, 01:22:12 PM
If a seller isn't responding, I'd be cautious on whether the listing is fraudulent.  Burden on the seller to be forthcoming here...
Title: Re: What do you think about this Griso ?
Post by: guzzisteve on January 24, 2022, 02:25:56 PM
Ok. Interesting behavior by the seller. Why would one put up a for sale ad, and not respond ? beats me. Must be out of town or something.
But i don't know whats the deal with this listing. I am not going to waste anymore time on this listing when I can potentially get a cheaper  ( And better for my liking ) 4V, 2007/2008, which is what I am searching for now.

Most likely the seller knows it needs rollers and ignores the issue knowing it will cost him $. Looking for one who doesn't care or doesn't know of the Bulletin.
Title: Re: What do you think about this Griso ?
Post by: usedtobefast on January 25, 2022, 11:52:25 AM
Wait a minute, wasn't the original price $6995?  It is now listed at $7995!  And looks like the ad has been up at least 30 days.  Odd approach.  :grin:

I've also noticed on Cycletrader that the messaging system often sends the emails to the seller into their spam folder.  So they might not see all responses. 
Title: Re: What do you think about this Griso ?
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on January 25, 2022, 12:01:16 PM
Wait a minute, wasn't the original price $6995?  It is now listed at $7995!  And looks like the ad has been up at least 30 days.  Odd approach.  :grin:

I've also noticed on Cycletrader that the messaging system often sends the emails to the seller into their spam folder.  So they might not see all responses.

I'm pretty sure this is a bike they guy was trying to sell via Reddit last year...  He was asking over $8.5k then.  If its the same bike, it's not had the rollers and the guy seems to think it's worth an extra $5k for the color alone. He was not aware of the roller recall then, but after people made him aware, he said it's not a big deal because the bike runs awesome-- and that he read some bikes were fine with flat tappets, only SOME needed them replaced/only high mile bikes need the conversion.
Title: Re: What do you think about this Griso ?
Post by: Darren Williams on January 26, 2022, 06:00:39 PM
Per THE Griso expert, Roper (IMHO), they are best done early in life and the bottom end flushed well to get all the flaked/worn off DLC coating out. If done before it has worn off and flushed well, I wouldn't worry about it. If the coating had flaked/worn heavily, it would always be something in the back of my head that would taint the ownership experience.

And will add I have not had any wheel O rings leak on the Griso or Stelvio, that also had the Alpina (sp?) sealed spokes.

Love riding my 2016 SE, with its stock wide low bars and high rear set peg locations. Feels like an old school hot rod.   :evil:
Title: Re: What do you think about this Griso ?
Post by: twowheeladdict on January 26, 2022, 09:11:26 PM
I have a folder with photos of bikes I found really interesting.  I have the tenni green Griso in this folder.  Saw one in person at Sloans years ago.  So glad I never pulled the trigger on it. 

I most likely wouldn't have known about the issue within the warranty time, and if I had, would the parts changers been able to do a competent job.  After that work, I would probably be always wondering and decide to trade it off before it blew. 
Title: Re: What do you think about this Griso ?
Post by: guzzista on January 27, 2022, 08:00:54 PM
 here it goes again. No relation or connection to seller.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/mcy/d/napa-2011-moto-guzzi-griso-8v-se-tenni/7438055245.html
Title: Re: What do you think about this Griso ?
Post by: usedtobefast on January 28, 2022, 11:10:56 AM
Wow, this guy is all over the place with his asking price.  I saw the CL post yesterday and I'm pretty sure it was $7995.  Now it is $5995. So he lowered his price $2000 in 1 day?   :shocked: 

That is getting into the "ok to buy even with tappets" price.   :laugh:

Title: Re: What do you think about this Griso ?
Post by: guzzisteve on January 28, 2022, 12:17:03 PM
I saw it go up a grand on Cycle Trader. Now down and no calls to emails. Weird
Title: Re: What do you think about this Griso ?
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on January 28, 2022, 12:50:07 PM
The guy is a little hard to deal with, we went back and forth on it a year ago when he posted it on reddit for $8990. Its deff the same bike, beautiful condition, but not rollerized.  I dont think he has put barely any miles on it. My impression was he overpayed on impulse and got stuck with the roller issue.
Title: Re: What do you think about this Griso ?
Post by: guzzista on January 28, 2022, 01:32:29 PM
Unless the pics are pilfered to make  up a phony listing to attract buyers... People who do that sort of thing  never quit. If the guy is legit ( and  knows about this forum or Griso ghetto) , he could easily speak up and do away with all the doubts prospective buyers have....
Title: Re: What do you think about this Griso ?
Post by: guzzisteve on January 28, 2022, 01:53:53 PM
The owner could still go get it done for rollers, campaign is still on as far as I know. Pay CA prices for labor.
Title: Re: What do you think about this Griso ?
Post by: rschrum on January 28, 2022, 07:01:17 PM
I asked him if it was a roller, he said he didn't think so, so he knows.