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What do you think about this Griso ?
« on: January 21, 2022, 09:37:09 AM »
I am excited/looking forward to hear back from seller !
I want to get this Grisso.
What do you guys think about this listing overall?
I have made an offer lower than asking price, since my budget is limited, and I already own 2004 Breva 750, which I have to sell most certainly.

https://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2011-Moto-Guzzi-GRISO-8V-SE-5019666801


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Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2022, 09:44:26 AM »
If memory serves that year needed the flat tappets corrected.  You should check that to be sure.
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Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2022, 09:48:07 AM »
Slim pickin's these days for Griso's, I did a search yesterday and came up with like 2 nationwide. Yes, my search tools are "lazy", but still, they're no Civic in the used market.
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Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2022, 10:01:44 AM »
Looks ideal to me if it has Roller Tappets, well covered if you done your homework. Doesn't hurt to ask the seller, otherwise may cost $2K.
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Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2022, 10:01:44 AM »

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Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2022, 10:09:50 AM »
Looks ideal to me if it has Roller Tappets, well covered if you done your homework. Doesn't hurt to ask the seller, otherwise may cost $2K.

Thanks. Is this is something I can do it myself and save/cut down on 2k repair?
I am somewhat mechanically inclined.
Is this something that has to be done urgently ? what are the down sides if I use as it is for few months at least?

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Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2022, 10:10:22 AM »
It probably started out with flat tappets being pre 2012

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Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2022, 10:15:14 AM »
All Tenni color Grisos had flat tappets and need the recall performed, hopefully since this one was bought and serviced at MI in Seattle, it was done early on. I would deff confirm with the seller, maybe even request pics under the valve cover. The expense is not insanely high, but the kits to do the repair are becoming pretty sparse on the ground. Last time I checked, AFI had the right kit but it was near $2k and thats still not accounting for labor. Despite what Roper and other skilled mechanics have said, it is not an easy/quick job for someone who is simply 'handy with a wrench'. It is a true mechanic or dealer job IMHO.
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Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2022, 10:25:32 AM »
The pics are beautiful.. it's a real stunning look. It the roller fix was done you should grab it right up. You'll be in an exclusive club. Have you visited grisoghetto.com?
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Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2022, 10:41:34 AM »
Beautiful bike with some high quality and expensive updates.  If it has been changed from flat to roller tappets I'd say that price is about right.

Lots of info on the internet about the flat tappet problem.  And some good write ups about how to do it yourself.  The issue is the tappets had a coating that was supposed to last forever and prevent wear ... but the coating wears off and then the metal tappets start wearing.  Seems they all do that just at various wear at various miles.  Meaning, some with 10k miles are worn a lot and others at same mileage are just starting to wear.

For me, my biggest concern is all the coating and worn off metal from the tappets getting into the oil system ... where does it all go, what issues does that cause, etc.  In the past the parts were ~$1200 and the labor was ~$1200. 



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Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2022, 11:17:15 AM »
Bought the same bike used at about the mileage back in 2016.  Still loving it today!  I'll bet a nickel, however, this one still has the flat tappets (as did mine).

If you can get through the dealer route still it's about $500 in labor.  The good news is this bike will probably only need the less expensive kit, so if you can do it yourself it won't be that expensive.  Last I read they were around $1k?

He probably bought it with the Mistral can on there from MI and the suspension bits from Guzzitech are the only mentioned add ons. The cannister is still on so you have someone who left it stock and that's real good for buying used.

I'd be happy to buy mine again; you just need a plan for those flatties.
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Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2022, 11:51:16 AM »
It probably started out with flat tappets being pre 2012

https://www.grisoghetto.com/t5879-the-definitive-guide-to-rollerisation

After reading this guide, my Grisso fever has come down significantly.
Now I am like " Hmmm..let me think about it.."

Thanks for warning. I may be still interested if roller issue is already fixed/partial sharing of repair cost or something like that.

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Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2022, 11:58:44 AM »
The pics are beautiful.. it's a real stunning look. It the roller fix was done you should grab it right up. You'll be in an exclusive club. Have you visited grisoghetto.com?

No I have not yet until today. But I will check it out.
I hope that roller fix is done already, I will be happy to grab it. Lets see how it all goes..

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Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2022, 12:03:53 PM »
Beautiful bike with some high quality and expensive updates.  If it has been changed from flat to roller tappets I'd say that price is about right.

Lots of info on the internet about the flat tappet problem.  And some good write ups about how to do it yourself.  The issue is the tappets had a coating that was supposed to last forever and prevent wear ... but the coating wears off and then the metal tappets start wearing.  Seems they all do that just at various wear at various miles.  Meaning, some with 10k miles are worn a lot and others at same mileage are just starting to wear.

For me, my biggest concern is all the coating and worn off metal from the tappets getting into the oil system ... where does it all go, what issues does that cause, etc.  In the past the parts were ~$1200 and the labor was ~$1200.

Looks like in case the roller is Not fixed that cost would be asking rpice + roller fix cost = ( About 7k + 2.5k = 9.5k ).

( BTW, I am in SF South Bay Area myself )

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Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2022, 12:16:31 PM »
Oh, and it's GRiSO.
One "s".
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« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2022, 12:40:59 PM »
As others have said, be sure to clarify the flat tappet issue.
OTOH, it comes with *Dyno tuned Vesrah race brake pads* those alone must be worth half of the purchase price.  :laugh:

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Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2022, 01:15:47 PM »
The over/under for a low milage 2013 with rollers from the factory is $6K U.S.

Roller conversion? I'd rather not...

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Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2022, 01:21:00 PM »
Send the seller a note that you want a pic of head w/o covers, a close up shot. He should know about the issue.
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Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2022, 02:01:09 PM »
The over/under for a low milage 2013 with rollers from the factory is $6K U.S.

Roller conversion? I'd rather not...

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Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2022, 07:02:28 PM »
Bought the same bike used at about the mileage back in 2016.  Still loving it today!  I'll bet a nickel, however, this one still has the flat tappets (as did mine).

If you can get through the dealer route still it's about $500 in labor.  The good news is this bike will probably only need the less expensive kit, so if you can do it yourself it won't be that expensive.  Last I read they were around $1k?

He probably bought it with the Mistral can on there from MI and the suspension bits from Guzzitech are the only mentioned add ons. The cannister is still on so you have someone who left it stock and that's real good for buying used.

I'd be happy to buy mine again; you just need a plan for those flatties.

How did you deal with the recall issue? How much did you spend on it? And How did you find which kit was needed, where did you get the kit from ?
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Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2022, 07:09:04 PM »
Oh, and it's GRiSO.
One "s".
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Oh, ok. Got it.

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Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2022, 07:17:20 PM »
Bottom-line:  A fabulous, modern Guzzi....tappet issue aside.  Love the color and brown seat also!

Take $$$ CASH $$$ and make yourself a deal....as they said "OBO" - Or Best Offer... :wink: :bow: :thumb: :boozing:



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« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2022, 07:27:32 PM »
They ARE a thing of beauty. :wink:


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« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2022, 07:31:12 PM »
Bottom-line:  A fabulous, modern Guzzi....tappet issue aside.  Love the color and brown seat also!

Take $$$ CASH $$$ and make yourself a deal....as they said "OBO" - Or Best Offer... :wink: :bow: :thumb: :boozing:





Good idea/agree with you. I may just offer 1k less cash and use it for the tappet repair.
Waiting for seller to respond, so that at least I know what he thinks about my offer/not sold already...will i be able to sleep well tonight ?

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Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2022, 07:38:32 PM »
They ARE a thing of beauty. :wink:




Couldn't agree more. One of my concern is ( believe it or not ), if i ever own one, I may not be able to do justice to this beautiful bike in terms of taking care of it. Don't get me wrong I spend time, effort on my bikes, but also i know that I am lazy/negligent/busy occasionally, at least compared to some of other bike owners.

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Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2022, 07:47:53 PM »
I need to find something to distract me from this waiting for response/any response at all.
Oh, maybe I can re-install side panels on my Breva 750, or work on wiring for the Lithium battery install on R1100 while I am waiting.

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« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2022, 07:48:41 PM »
Couldn't agree more. One of my concern is ( believe it or not ), if i ever own one, I may not be able to do justice to this beautiful bike in terms of taking care of it. Don't get me wrong I spend time, effort on my bikes, but also i know that I am lazy/negligent/busy occasionally, at least compared to some of other bike owners.

Don't worry about if you keep in as pretty a shape as the guys that have a climate controlled garage and polish every day do. If it's yours, do what makes you happy. And do your best to keep this and any other you own in as nice a shape as you can.

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Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2022, 07:50:24 PM »
They ARE a thing of beauty. :wink:




Your Griso looks so beautiful. Love it.
Did you have to deal with tappet issue as well ? or was it sorted out by factory on this model?

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Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2022, 07:56:11 PM »
As you are probably finding out ... many Guzzi owners feel some odd responsibility for the machines they own.   :laugh:   While they are in our possession we must do right by the bike.   :grin:

On the other hand ... if someone were to buy that Griso, and totally ignore (or not even know) about the flat tappets, the motor might still make it to 40,000 miles or more and run fine the entire time.  It has only gone to 9,800 miles after 10-11 years ... so if the new owner did the same, about 1k miles per year, you might have 20-30 years of fine riding to be had ... flat tappets just tapping away. 

Actually, I'm not sure how "death by flat tappets" turns out.  Pete Roper has some pictures of some really worn to crap tappets ... but I think the motor was still running. 

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Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2022, 08:03:31 PM »
Another crazy idea ... can you still buy new flat tappets?  If so, how much are they and how hard to swap out?  (I am assuming swapping out flat tappets is significantly easier and cheaper than switching to rollers)

So ... if they are available and not too expensive ... you could pull it down to the tappets, see how worn they are ... replace with new tappets.  So if every 10K miles you swapped out $350 (wild guess) worth of tappets, maybe another option.  That's like the price of tires.   :grin:
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Re: What do you think about this Grisso ?
« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2022, 08:24:32 PM »
As others have said, if the bike has been 'rollerized' that is a fair price. Easy to check. Not sure if the Portland shop is still in business, but you could call with the vin and check to see.  If not rollerized, I'd want $2K off the asking price rare Tenni color aside.

The bike looks well cared for and equipped. MOST Guzzi/Griso owners are well aware of the flat tappet issue, so is concerning that the seller doesn't mention it. Being sold at MI doesn't mean it was rollerized. Not sure when Dave and crew knew of the issue, and if they did them pre-delivery, so be 100% sure. Easy to tell, someone posted pics above.  Good Luck!

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