936-8V / 936 Bellagio with V7 Racer look / What is Guzzi waiting for ??

[ohiorider]

It's not about replicating, it's about executing something desirable.

;-T
If done as nicely as Guzzi has executed many of their newer bikes, I'd trade the 8vSE for a big block Guzzi 'standard.'  I'd love to own a Guzzi that came from the factory with a retro look, (not necessarily "guzzi" retro look ie, not a T3), good seat to peg distance, good saddle, suspension designed for today's crappy roads, and reasonable reach to the handlebars.  My 1200 Sport with mods meets some of that definition.  So does the Griso, just not as many for me.  

Resurrect the Tonti frame, (many on this forum say it is a good as it gets .... I don't know that personally.)  Mount an alternator on the front of the crank (ala Bellagio). Scale up a V7 Special 10%.  I'm ready to spend some $$.

[mtiberio]

Because thankfully someone at Piaggio realises that the future of Moto Guzzi doesn't lie in endlessly replicating the past or trying to cram comparatively powerful new power plants into inadequate frames with inferior drive lines behind them.

The fact that one or two barmy corn cob pipeists with red suspenders want to waste their time building Junkers like this does NOT make it a marketable proposition.

Pete

really, 110HP will tie a tonti frame in knots...

[Vasco DG]

Yup, especially if the head isn't braced significantly. The clutch will shrivel up and die in short order and I have severe doubts as to the ability of the bevelbox and gearbox to remain reliable, especially the bevelbox

Pete

[ohiorider]

I think I may have been taken too literally.  I meant if a "tonti type" frame would be more suitable for a retro style bike, then have at it.  If not, and the Griso frame could be used as the basis for a retro, then use a Griso frame, powertrain, and CARC final drive.  The Griso frame would most likely present some difficulties for a retro style tank, what with the tube frame.  Obviously, if Guzzi could engineer the new 1400 Cali, they are more than capable of designing a big block retro, which, IMHO, would probably sell in greater numbers than the Cali 1400 ( purely a guess on my part.)  BTW - does anyone know the world wide sales figures for the 1400 (both models)?

[rocker59]

It's not about replicating, it's about executing something desirable.
Technology wise, there isn't much difference between the Breva 750, Nevada 750 and the V7 stone.
Most wouldn't be caught dead on two of those.

 :+1  :+1  :+1  :+1  :+1  :+1  :+1

[rocker59]

I know I'd sure like to see one!

 :bike

[ohiorider]

That would make for an interesting engine.  What're you guys thinking, slightly higher redline and maybe 85-90hp at the crankshaft?

[rocker59]

Because thankfully someone at Piaggio realises that the future of Moto Guzzi doesn't lie in endlessly replicating the past or trying to cram comparatively powerful new power plants into inadequate frames with inferior drive lines behind them.

The fact that one or two barmy corn cob pipeists with red suspenders want to waste their time building Junkers like this does NOT make it a marketable proposition.

Pete

I just merged this into a previous topic that has some great pix of bikes with V7 bodywork on the Bellagio chassis.

Guzzi should sell what people are buying.  Putting retro bodywork on a Bellagio chassis would be a grand-slam homerun for Mandello.

Especially if it was an 8v.

[rocker59]

That would make for an interesting engine.  What're you guys thinking, slightly higher redline and maybe 85-90hp at the crankshaft?

Try finding a test ride of a Buell XB9 and you will understand!  (984cc destroked Sportster mill).

Fun factor would be huge, no matter the power or the redline, but yes, higher redline and more power than a Bellagio, and clothed in retro V7C bodywork.

[Kev m]

Try finding a test ride of a Buell XB9 and you will understand!  (984cc destroked Sportster mill).

Fun factor would be huge, no matter the power or the redline, but yes, higher redline and more power than a Bellagio, and clothed in retro V7C bodywork.

Add that to the list of my regrets that I didn't buy - that said, they were FAR from popular...

Buell Production Numbers:

http://www.buellxb.com/Buell-XB-Forum/Buell-Articles/Production-Numbers

7484 XB9R 2002-07
4332 XB9S 2003-04
1513 XB9SL 2003-04

EDIT - missed one

9632 XB9SX 2005-10

So that's a total of 22,961 short-stroke bikes - way more than I would have guessed.

Actually, ok, nevermind, those wouldn't be bad numbers for a Guzzi...

[rocker59]

One day in Joplin, I rode four Buells.

The XB9 City Cross was my favorite, by far!

 :bike

[Steph]

Too much Horsepower for the frame notoriety has never been bad for a brand.
& old school working-man hot rod has never been bad for the brand.

Can you think of any historical precedent?

[rocker59]

Really.  What ARE they waiting for?

[Travman]

Really.  What ARE they waiting for?

It made sense to wait until after the introduction of the California 1400. They didn't want to steal any of the new Cali's thunder, but it has now been at least a year since the Cali 1400 was released. Now is the time for the V9 or V12.

[rocker59]

Bump.

Piaggio is showing the MGX21 concept.  I'd rather see V7 bodywork on the Bellagio...

[Vasco DG]

You can always roll yer own. It's what Wayne from Bisbane has done.

Pete

[Calijackalbob]

Dunno about you guys, but I love the new V7 Racer, but have the opinion that bigger is better.
Love this. http://racingcafe.blogspot.sg/2013/07/moto-guzzi-bellagio-936-cr-by-italo.html

936 Bellagio based Cafe Racer. Love the single sided swingarm. Love the idea of more grunt than a V7. Love the idea of a 1400 california cafe racer.

What do you say guys, let's petition Guzzi to put the 936 CR or a 1400 CR into production. I promise I'll buy one! would you?

[Guzzistajohn]

That's pretty bad ass! 

[Francis]

I like it, thanks for sharing!

One problem tho ,I think it would be to hard on my wallet!!

[Penderic]

Why not? But as a Big Block production model, I can't see it getting off the ground.

 

[Guzzistajohn]

Why not? But as a Big Block production model, I can't see it getting off the ground.

 

[kevdog3019]

Don't like it as a cafe.  Looks empty with the single-sided swingarm.  Cafe's should be older scooter designs that look more symmetrical and have double suspension.  I'm not a modern bike turned cafe kind though.

[beetle]

Screech!

[Calijackalbob]

 
There are 2 Jackals in Singapore. I've got the best looking one.





There are 2 Bellagios in singapore. I bought one on monday.
It's a f######g hoot to ride. Revs like wow! I love it!



Looks a bit cruiser, but it's nothing of the sort. More like a sports bike. Handles, corners, brakes, everything beautifully.

I have to admit, it's a bit weird looking,...... the rear end and seat looked a bit "What where they thinking?" to me when I first s

aw photos of one, but in the flesh it looks cool. A bit Centauro, it really grows on you..........

anyways,.... It's not going to look like this for very long. I'm shopping around for a V7 racer tank and seat, but may settle for an alloy tank and original seat. (or the corbin seat,........ I got both when I bought it.)

Here's one someone did in Australia with a V7 tank and Bellagio seat. Looks kinda good, though the tank cutouts for the V7 seat don't work in this case. That's why I'm thinking alloy Le Mans tank.
(I'd ditch the rear fender, slim it down and tidy it up though.)




Anyway. This is the plan for my Bellagio,...... ish...... simple modifications, just a new tank, seat, (maybe, maybe not) clip ons and Viola!
Comments? How does it look with the original Bellagio seat?






P.S.
I feel so sorry for you guys in America Not getting the Bellagio. I'm sure it would have sold by the shipload. The  Guzzi Marketing Dept must have their heads up their arses. What? they don't want to sell too many bikes?

[rocker59]

 :1:

[Calijackalbob]

My 940 Bellagio Cafe Racer Evolution project. A work in in progress.




Tank, hugger and front fender currently getting painted/Hydrochromed while I recover from foot surgery. Wait til you see the next updates.

[ohiorider]

Based on Guzzi's current direction, looks like we might have to find a way to get some 'grey-market' Bellagios into the USA if we want a platform for a 936cc café bike.

C Jackel Bob ..... like what you're building!

[Kev m]

My 940 Bellagio Cafe Racer Evolution project. A work in in progress.



http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=79875.0

Tank, hugger and front fender currently getting painted/Hydrochromed while I recover from foot surgery. Wait til you see the next updates.

Nice 

[fotoguzzi]

One day in Joplin, I rode four Buells.

The XB9 City Cross was my favorite, by far!

 :bike

making me want one Rocker..

https://rmn.craigslist.org/mcy/5374383077.html

if it had a hard bag option I'd go get it..

[rocker59]

making me want one Rocker..

https://rmn.craigslist.org/mcy/5374383077.html

if it had a hard bag option I'd go get it..

That 984cc Buell/Sportster mill is pretty kick ass.

Did H+B ever make racks for the Buel XBs ?