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Sport 1100 v. Sport 1100i?
« on: March 03, 2018, 04:00:12 PM »
Ladies, Lads,

Does anyone have experience with both types of Sport 1100s to share re the ownership and riding experiences, tunability, etc.? I'm aware of all the technical differences, and the i should be a better bike all around; what say you? I had a carb sport ages ago.

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Re: Sport 1100 v. Sport 1100i?
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2018, 04:09:48 PM »
I will give you the Sport carb / Daytona comparison, the Sport (with Staintunes and Euro jetting) is NASCAR, the Daytona is Formula One.
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Re: Sport 1100 v. Sport 1100i?
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2018, 03:39:56 AM »
Sport C has fragile gearbox, irreplaceable flywheel and fragile pork chops. Sport i has better gearbox/driveline 16M controller, better frame and porkchops.

Both are murder to ride unless you're a freak! :laugh:

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Re: Sport 1100 v. Sport 1100i?
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2018, 04:18:06 AM »
I've had an carbed 110 sport for some time so long when I purchased it there was a still a significant difference in cost between the two. I have ridden both  if I had the choice again with the minimal price difference the two bike attract I'd go the injected one the lighter wheels and better front end make a world of difference. There are fixes for the fuel injection readily available and its now cheaper than replacing the delorto's with something decent.

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Re: Sport 1100 v. Sport 1100i?
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2018, 08:39:38 AM »
I like my '96 carbie with Keihin FCRs, Full Staintunes,  and Marzocchi fork with WP springs and 10wt oil.

Much better than stock.

I wanted an injected Sport when I bought my '96, but there was a discount on the carbie, so that's what I bought.

Better transmission and bevel box on the injected bikes. Lighter Marchessini wheels.

 I'm no "tuner" so messing with the efi would not be my thing. And, as I understand,  service parts for the WP fork are discontinued.

Either way, both nice bikes, if a roarty vintage Italian sporty bike is what you're wanting.



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Re: Sport 1100 v. Sport 1100i?
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2018, 09:37:45 AM »
The Kid *loves* his early Spot 1100. It's very mechanical, and takes someone that sort of knows what they are doing to ride.
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Re: Sport 1100 v. Sport 1100i?
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2018, 10:38:10 AM »
Ladies, Lads,

Does anyone have experience with both types of Sport 1100s to share re the ownership and riding experiences, tunability, etc.? I'm aware of all the technical differences, and the i should be a better bike all around; what say you? I had a carb sport ages ago.

Thanks,

Kristian

You need to talk to MedicAndy, He has a few of both. One in every color I believe!

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Re: Sport 1100 v. Sport 1100i?
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2018, 10:39:58 AM »
You need to talk to MedicAndy, He has a few of both. One in every color I believe!

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Re: Sport 1100 v. Sport 1100i?
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2018, 11:17:25 AM »
Great feedback, thanks all.

The esteemed Mr. Roper's statements reflect the powerful reasons to go with the i, thought this battles against the purity and simplicity of the C, which in many ways is the newest (and last) mid-1970s Superbike you can buy. Hm.

I have a line on a stock, unmolested, red, 4,200-mile '95, No. 112. I harbor no illusions; part of the fun will be to ensure all the weak spots are attended to; gear box, jetting, ignition, venting rear drive, etc.

I know I should just get a Griso 8V, or a V11 Le Mans; the Sports just have a magical pull for the above reasons, and also because they are just achingly beautiful, in some ways among the top three pretty Guzzis ever, IMO.

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Re: Sport 1100 v. Sport 1100i?
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2018, 01:53:15 PM »
Sport C has fragile gearbox, irreplaceable flywheel and fragile pork chops. Sport i has better gearbox/driveline 16M controller, better frame and porkchops.

Both are murder to ride unless you're a freak! :laugh:

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Then I must be one of those freaks, Pete. For me, it's the most comfortable bike ever, especially for long distance touring. When I'm looking at the road, my back & neck are perfectly straight, so it doesn't get tired; long arms help with the sidestand; longish (& flexible) legs keep the weight on the feet, thighs & belly, so there's bugger all actually on the seat itself. It's not exactly flickable in the tight twisties, and gravel is somewhat of a challenge, but everything else is just fine. The first half day I rode mine (Napier to Wellington) I had aches & pains everywhere once I dismounted, but a long, LONG, hot soak fixed that and ne'er a twinge since. If you're the right shape & your joints connect in the correct configuration, you'll never find a better ride. And the whines, roars & rattles - icing on the cake.

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Re: Sport 1100 v. Sport 1100i?
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2018, 02:45:26 PM »
Then I must be one of those freaks, Pete. For me, it's the most comfortable bike ever, especially for long distance touring. When I'm looking at the road, my back & neck are perfectly straight, so it doesn't get tired; long arms help with the sidestand; longish (& flexible) legs keep the weight on the feet, thighs & belly, so there's bugger all actually on the seat itself. It's not exactly flickable in the tight twisties, and gravel is somewhat of a challenge, but everything else is just fine. The first half day I rode mine (Napier to Wellington) I had aches & pains everywhere once I dismounted, but a long, LONG, hot soak fixed that and ne'er a twinge since. If you're the right shape & your joints connect in the correct configuration, you'll never find a better ride. And the whines, roars & rattles - icing on the cake.

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Re: Sport 1100 v. Sport 1100i?
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2018, 03:57:44 PM »
Great feedback, thanks all.

The esteemed Mr. Roper's statements reflect the powerful reasons to go with the i, thought this battles against the purity and simplicity of the C, which in many ways is the newest (and last) mid-1970s Superbike you can buy. Hm.

I have a line on a stock, unmolested, red, 4,200-mile '95, No. 112. I harbor no illusions; part of the fun will be to ensure all the weak spots are attended to; gear box, jetting, ignition, venting rear drive, etc.

I know I should just get a Griso 8V, or a V11 Le Mans; the Sports just have a magical pull for the above reasons, and also because they are just achingly beautiful, in some ways among the top three pretty Guzzis ever, IMO.

Kristian

Well, there ya go. The Kid has a gorgeous Grease O that he doesn't ride any more, and is for sale. He just enjoys the old Spot for what it is.
They are toys. Get what you like to play with. <shrug>
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Re: Sport 1100 v. Sport 1100i?
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2018, 07:41:06 PM »
Well, there ya go. The Kid has a gorgeous Grease O that he doesn't ride any more, and is for sale. He just enjoys the old Spot for what it is.
They are toys. Get what you like to play with. <shrug>

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Re: Sport 1100 v. Sport 1100i?
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2018, 07:47:07 PM »
My longest riding day so far was on an 1100 Sport, something just under 1000 miles between starting up and going to bed...  but it was almost 20 years ago and I doubt I'll repeat it!

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Re: Sport 1100 v. Sport 1100i?
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2018, 09:21:45 PM »
My longest riding day so far was on an 1100 Sport, something just under 1000 miles between starting up and going to bed...  but it was almost 20 years ago and I doubt I'll repeat it!

Wow. I did 730 miles in one stretch on mine in varying degrees of rain storms up I-5 in late March, also when I was young and stupid(er) 22 years ago.

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Re: Sport 1100 v. Sport 1100i?
« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2018, 10:32:26 PM »

Longest day on my 1996 carbie was during the 2015 Colorado Classic 1000.

Something just over 1000 miles in about 22.5 hours.  It was a long day of curvy Colorado mountain riding.

First 750 miles were not too tough.  The last 250 in the cold and dark were work.  Still, it was a good time, and I was glad I took the Sport 1100 on what is probably the toughest IBA Saddlesore 1000 out there.
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Re: Sport 1100 v. Sport 1100i?
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2018, 04:27:36 AM »
Gilgandra to Adelaide in a day during daylight hours sitting on 140-150 all the way and plenty of stops for fuel 1300 odd kms done during daylight i don't play with the big brown grasshoppers.

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Re: Sport 1100 v. Sport 1100i?
« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2018, 07:38:52 AM »
A tuned up, year old carb'ed 1100 was the first Guzzi I ever rode.  I've been stupid for Guzzi ever since.  Unfortunately, prices on them have risen dramatically the last few years.  Same with the later Le Mans(had a 2003).  I'd love to own a FI Sport but you can buy a very nice 900SS(had a 93') for less money and they both appeal to me in the same way so I'd go that route unless the price on the Sport was within reason.   

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Re: Sport 1100 v. Sport 1100i?
« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2018, 10:01:29 PM »
1100i nearly 50-lb heavier than carbie, which should mean something. Lashy, crashbox tranny no fun. Mine's still running Dell'Ortos and still tuning for better results. Not done.   

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Re: Sport 1100 v. Sport 1100i?
« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2018, 01:22:39 AM »
1100i nearly 50-lb heavier than carbie, which should mean something. Lashy, crashbox tranny no fun. Mine's still running Dell'Ortos and still tuning for better results. Not done.

I am curious to try Brad Bike Boy's recommendations:
http://bradthebikeboy.blogspot.com/2017/06/

Here he finally answers the question of what happens if you swap the Digiplex out with an Ignitech system--his findings re the Digiplex are interesting (poor curve & advance numbers):
http://bradthebikeboy.blogspot.com/

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Re: Sport 1100 v. Sport 1100i?
« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2018, 05:56:44 AM »
I am curious to try Brad Bike Boy's recommendations:
http://bradthebikeboy.blogspot.com/2017/06/

Here he finally answers the question of what happens if you swap the Digiplex out with an Ignitech system--his findings re the Digiplex are interesting (poor curve & advance numbers):
http://bradthebikeboy.blogspot.com/

Kristian

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Re: Sport 1100 v. Sport 1100i?
« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2018, 06:59:35 AM »
This thread is getting boring without pictures.... :gotpics:

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Re: Sport 1100 v. Sport 1100i?
« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2018, 07:15:15 AM »
1100i nearly 50-lb heavier than carbie, which should mean something. Lashy, crashbox tranny no fun. Mine's still running Dell'Ortos and still tuning for better results. Not done.

We put the gearset from a modern 5 speed in the Kid's Spot. He said the DelOrto's were *way* too rich. Went down to about 130 mains (from memory) Runs well.

This thread is getting boring without pictures.... :gotpics:

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Re: Sport 1100 v. Sport 1100i?
« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2018, 12:25:49 PM »
We put the gearset from a modern 5 speed in the Kid's Spot. He said the DelOrto's were *way* too rich. Went down to about 130 mains (from memory) Runs well.

2016-08-03_05-31-54 by Charles Stottlemyer, on Flickr


Thank you for the pic !! please more to come  :laugh:

I really like the 1100 "skinnier" rear tire VS the later V11 and Le mans which is way too wide in my opinion.........
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Re: Sport 1100 v. Sport 1100i?
« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2018, 12:49:40 PM »
We put the gearset from a modern 5 speed in the Kid's Spot. He said the DelOrto's were *way* too rich. Went down to about 130 mains (from memory) Runs well.

2016-08-03_05-31-54 by Charles Stottlemyer, on Flickr

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Re: Sport 1100 v. Sport 1100i?
« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2018, 12:51:57 PM »
Another pic as requested.





For what it's worth, I have inspected my gearbox and entire drive train and it is all in near perfect condition. The noise from the straight cut box is a bit annoying when you are traveling slowly. My carburetion is very good and the carbs stay in tune. The engine is a bit flat below 2700rpm but pulls hard above that. Fuel economy anywhere between 16 to 20 km/litre. Around 18km/litre is normal.
Stars instantly but a bit fussy until the engine warms. My experience riding the Sport 1100i is that it is a bit more civilised feeling. The fuel injection takes care of the cold start fussiness but every 1100i I have ridden has a horrible hunting fuelling feeling when holding a steady town speed. I have noticed this vague feeling on SV Suzukis and Aprilias. My recommendation is to buy which ever model of Sport presents itself to you as long as it has been looked after.
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Re: Sport 1100 v. Sport 1100i?
« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2018, 01:40:58 PM »
Another pic as requested.





My recommendation is to buy which ever model of Sport presents itself to you as long as it has been looked after.
Cheers, voncrump

Nah, you know, I really hanker after an original, the full-combat experience. I have a 2000 VFR800 now; no Guzzi ever made can get close to match that in refinement, but that is what I'm getting away from. A bit of a bloodless riding experience, all that competence!

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Re: Sport 1100 v. Sport 1100i?
« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2018, 08:06:30 PM »
Nah, you know, I really hanker after an original, the full-combat experience. I have a 2000 VFR800 now; no Guzzi ever made can get close to match that in refinement, but that is what I'm getting away from. A bit of a bloodless riding experience, all that competence!

That is exactly why the Kid loves his early Spot.
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Re: Sport 1100 v. Sport 1100i?
« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2018, 04:48:41 PM »
We put the gearset from a modern 5 speed in the Kid's Spot. He said the DelOrto's were *way* too rich. Went down to about 130 mains (from memory) Runs well.

2016-08-03_05-31-54 by Charles Stottlemyer, on Flickr

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« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2018, 04:53:25 PM »
^^^^ Thanks.. he's a good boy.  :smiley: And, fairly talented.. like all the children in Lake Wobegone, well above average.
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