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Re: MGX-21 Flying Fortress bat bike bagger merged threadfest
« Reply #60 on: May 12, 2015, 05:11:49 AM »
I'll fill in what else I gleaned tomorrow, water cooled engines??? and such.

So its the day after tomorrow what did you learn about water cooled motors and such?

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Re: MGX-21 Flying Fortress bat bike bagger merged threadfest
« Reply #61 on: May 14, 2015, 09:58:22 PM »
Moto Guzzi hosted an event at AF1 Racing tonight.  in addition to the Eldorado and the Audace they had the MGX-21 Concept on display.  Interesting bike.  Think Harley Street Glide, Italian style. Gorgeous ass on the bike.  They did a really interesting treatment with the tail and the bags.  Front has a 21 inch wheel that I wasn't particularly fond of.  Fairing was pretty cool.  I must say I'll give it a serious look when it comes to market.

Sat on the Audace.  Not sure that I'd pick it over my Cali Custom, but I did like it.

Eldorado is a nice looking retro bike, but doesn't do anything for me.

There were a bunch of MG marketing guys there asking what we liked/didn't like about the bikes, and, who we thought would be interested in them (besides crusty old Baby Boomers).

All in all it was an interesting evening.  AF1 events are always top shelf.
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Re: MGX-21 Flying Fortress bat bike bagger merged threadfest
« Reply #62 on: May 14, 2015, 10:12:08 PM »
I'm with Rocker. It's grotesque. And how could anyone who wasn't blind and/or brain damaged describe it as 'Sporty'? It's an enormous, ugly, indulgent turd of a thing. The person who dreamt it up should wake up tomorrow with people shovelling dirt on his face!

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Have you seen the actual bike?  Granted there are some features like the 21 inch front wheel that don't do much for me, but for the most part the rest of the bike looks really good. Pictures don't do it justice.  It is a bagger, but MG has put an interesting spin on the concept that I personally like. 

It will be interesting to see what they actually bring to market.
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Re: MGX-21 Flying Fortress bat bike bagger merged threadfest
« Reply #63 on: May 14, 2015, 10:20:24 PM »
Saw the bikes at Moto International last week. Not impressed with the concept bike. I don't think anyone there was. It looked like the illegitimate spawn of a Harley and a Victory Vision.  The Audace, though, I liked it a lot.   ;-T

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Re: MGX-21 Flying Fortress bat bike bagger merged threadfest
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Re: MGX-21 Flying Fortress bat bike bagger merged threadfest
« Reply #64 on: May 14, 2015, 11:07:28 PM »
Well the Audace is an actual model! Parts list is up on the website.

If you have them in the USA you've got them before us as they aren't here yet.

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Re: MGX-21 Flying Fortress bat bike bagger merged threadfest
« Reply #65 on: May 14, 2015, 11:08:05 PM »
forget that...here it is



I am all for a full tourer with a fairing. 

I like it!

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Re: MGX-21 Flying Fortress bat bike bagger merged threadfest
« Reply #66 on: May 14, 2015, 11:18:36 PM »

You guys say what you want about the blacked out bagger look, it sells. It sells a lot. I could definitely see riding this with an 18 inch front wheel. It oozes bad ass-edness. Thats what my generation wants. Only thing i think could of been done better is if Guzzi brought this bike to the market 5 years ago. other than that, I think they hit the nail on head. They have the Norge for all you old guys and the v7 for all you simple dudes, the stelvio for the dirty-minded and now this for those who want to be badasses.... I think this is great. It will draw more people to the brand, which will create more revenue which in turn might create a new LeMans of something. I think it looks sweet. Bet its fast as hell compared to all the other baggers too....

And that is the future my friends..thanks for the courage and forthright comment.. I respect and honor that.
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Re: MGX-21 Flying Fortress bat bike bagger merged threadfest
« Reply #67 on: May 14, 2015, 11:19:28 PM »
You know what it reminds me of?



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Re: MGX-21 Flying Fortress bat bike bagger merged threadfest
« Reply #68 on: May 15, 2015, 05:20:43 AM »
I'm with Rocker. It's grotesque. And how could anyone who wasn't blind and/or brain damaged describe it as 'Sporty'? It's an enormous, ugly, indulgent turd of a thing. The person who dreamt it up should wake up tomorrow with people shovelling dirt on his face!

Unspeakable!

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Re: MGX-21 Flying Fortress bat bike bagger merged threadfest
« Reply #70 on: May 15, 2015, 06:04:54 AM »
Well the Audace is an actual model! Parts list is up on the website.

If you have them in the USA you've got them before us as they aren't here yet.

Pete

The NA marketing guy I talked with last night says the Audace wil be on the dealer floors in June (I'm assuming he meant June 2015).
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Re: MGX-21 Flying Fortress bat bike bagger merged threadfest
« Reply #71 on: May 15, 2015, 07:05:21 AM »
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Re: MGX-21 Flying Fortress bat bike bagger merged threadfest
« Reply #72 on: May 15, 2015, 07:11:36 AM »
We have the same show coming to Pcola on the 19th.

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« Reply #73 on: May 15, 2015, 07:37:44 AM »
Yuck
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« Reply #74 on: May 15, 2015, 07:42:21 AM »
13 years from now I'ld buy one for $4 grand.

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« Reply #75 on: May 19, 2015, 10:38:54 PM »
I spent a couple of hours tonight at Adventure Motorsports of NW Florida in Pensacola, our local Guzzi dealer, viewing the new Eldorado, the Audace (Aw-dah-che) and the concept MGX-21 bagger.

We had a contingent of Guzzi officials on hand, 2 of whom had flown in from Italy and one from NYC. A professional moderator along with a chap from a dealership in Connecticut also joined the traveling show moving by van throughout the US.  

We had a great crowd, a great spread of food and we all enjoyed looking at the bikes and talking with the people from Moto Guzzi.  

Earlier in the day they interviewed several recruited focus groups, primarily non-Guzzi riders, to gauge market sentiment towards their products.

They deserve a lot of credit for this effort.

All of the Italians with Guzzi were in their 30's and the average age of our group was not under 50.  The Guzzi guys were very friendly and received a lot of input back from our group. The MGX-21 did not generate a lot of warmth among our group but most people seemed to like the new Eldorado. Pictures of the MGX-21 were not allowed. Even the black Audace got some favorable looks but not on the level of the Eldorado.  

The MGX-21 had a lot of carbon fiber body parts.  The skinny 21-inch wheel up front is a cast aluminum wheel with carbon fiber covers attached to each side. We were told Guzzi is considering holes cut into the carbon fiber front wheel covers to reduce cross-wind buffeting. The beetle-type saddlebags come off along with their carbon fiber body trim panels to give access to the rear tire for service.

For those who have opined that the new Eldo should have a round headlight instead of the massive new-wave hunk, the round lamp of the Audace will bolt right onto the new Eldorado. I'm not sure it would be visually large enough but the mounting brackets are the same.  

Will any of this sell?  Nobody knows for sure.

We did discuss upgrades to the V7 motor and were given reason for hope in this regard.  They were aware of the idea for a Baby Stelvio but made no commitment in their remarks. They all told us that, right now, the factory marketing effort was focused on the V7 line and the California line. Prospects for the other models are taking a back seat for now.  

Water cooling is being "worked-on" and one of the water-cooled possibilities would displace 1500cc.

We also discussed production issues such as poorly greased bearings, poorly tightened fasteners and wiring issues such as with the aux lamps on the Stelvio. One customer raked them around about not having self-cancelling turn signals like his Japanese bikes.

Again, Guzzi deserves credit for this effort.  I was one of the last to leave.  Standing outside with the Italians, a crowd of about 300 people were milling around with a live band and BBQ cookers at the Harley dealership directly across the 4-lane street from us. The Italians asked what that was and I explained the regular monthly "Bike Night" and the Harley Owners Group (HOG) meetings that bring all the H-D owners together at the dealership. They were fascinated and headed that way for a first-hand look.

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The New Eldorado


Audace (Aw-dah-che)


MGX-21
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Re: MGX-21 Flying Fortress bat bike bagger merged threadfest
« Reply #76 on: May 20, 2015, 05:39:46 AM »
That chap from CT is a friend of mine.  I'm sure you all found him agreeable.
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« Reply #77 on: May 20, 2015, 06:42:06 AM »
That chap from CT is a friend of mine.  I'm sure you all found him agreeable.

Yes, he was a nice young man too.  

He was doing the grunt work of loading and unloading the bikes and driving the van.  The Italians apparently fly from venue to venue.

The CT man (what's his name) recently, in November, established a new single-brand Guzzi dealership. I complimented him on his optimism and attitude.  He says most of their revenue is out of the service department and they do a lot of service work on BMW and other brands.

Again, all of these guys, were young.  The ones from Italy were in their early 30's.

Their next stop is Matthews NC.  Calimero, check it out.
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« Reply #78 on: May 20, 2015, 07:05:35 AM »
I wonder when/where they might stop around here - Philly? NYC?

Sure would like to know.

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Re: MGX-21 Flying Fortress bat bike bagger merged threadfest
« Reply #79 on: May 20, 2015, 07:17:53 AM »
They are only doing this for a handful, maybe 5 dealers, in the US. 

If they are coming to your local dealer, that dealer is supposed to send you an invitation. It is not a publicized, totally open event as I understand it.


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« Reply #80 on: May 20, 2015, 07:27:00 AM »
One of guys told me that they were stopping at the Guzzi dealer in Brooklyn. Well, it's mostly a Vespa dealer but that is another story.
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« Reply #81 on: May 20, 2015, 07:45:46 AM »
One of guys told me that they were stopping at the Guzzi dealer in Brooklyn. Well, it's mostly a Vespa dealer but that is another story.

I would figure that with their headquarters in NYC there would probably be a stop locally.

Do you have a relationship with that dealer? I.E. will you hear when/if they're making a stop there?

If so perhaps I could impose on you to share (or find out if another attendee would be welcome)?

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« Reply #82 on: May 20, 2015, 07:51:13 AM »
I suggest calling your dealer and asking. If the Guzzi show is coming there, they'll tell you and I would expect give you an invitation.

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Re: MGX-21 Flying Fortress bat bike bagger merged threadfest
« Reply #83 on: May 20, 2015, 08:13:14 AM »
They all told us that, right now, the factory marketing effort was focused on the V7 line and the California line. Prospects for the other models are taking a back seat for now.  
 

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Re: MGX-21 Flying Fortress bat bike bagger merged threadfest
« Reply #84 on: May 20, 2015, 08:16:18 AM »
I asked the lead guy about a sport bike like an upgraded MGS/01 and he of course said no to the sport bike and really didn't know about the MGS/01.
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Re: MGX-21 Flying Fortress bat bike bagger merged threadfest
« Reply #85 on: May 20, 2015, 08:17:23 AM »
I asked the lead guy about a sport bike like an upgraded MGS/01 and he of course said no to the sport bike and really didn't know about the MGS/01.

awesome...
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« Reply #86 on: May 20, 2015, 08:30:15 AM »
I suggest calling your dealer and asking. If the Guzzi show is coming there, they'll tell you and I would expect give you an invitation.

And I'd do that if I had a dealer...
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Re: MGX-21 Flying Fortress bat bike bagger merged threadfest
« Reply #87 on: May 20, 2015, 08:39:38 AM »
And I'd do that if I had a dealer...

Well, call the one in NYC.

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« Reply #88 on: May 20, 2015, 09:18:32 AM »
awesome...

That was my thought, too.. the more things change the more they stay the same.  ~;
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