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Re: Distinguished Gentleman's Ride '23
« Reply #30 on: May 23, 2023, 06:16:01 AM »
I'm trying to understand...What has led you to think any of the leaders are 'tools'? Did you have a bad experience on a ride? Do you know orgin of the ride? I've never seen anyone turned away, so I'm not sure who you speculate they're looking down on. 

There were well over 100,000 people riding in 121 different countries in 850 different cities on the same day. Pretty impressive that your so well acquainted, to make that kind of sweeping generalization. Not usually a hallmark of a well read guy. But do tell, I'm always happy to be informed.

I've explained it on WG before but will happily discuss the "merits" of a charity run that excludes participants on the basis of what bike they own.

As organized the event was a thinly veiled attempt to form a charity ride that was anti Harley/cruiser.

In the early years it was even specifically detailed on their website. As time has gone on they've softened but still make attempts to keep people away.

It's not that I can't attend. I've always owned bikes that "qualify" according to their style guide.

It's that in my opinion any "charity" that excludes participants is openly practicing hypocrisy. If they REALLY cared about the charity its interests would be first so they'd accept, not exclude.

Over the years we've had multiple reports here alone of people who were told they couldn't participate by "tools" who were organizers. Even in this thread someone posted an example.

That's why I feel the way I do about them.


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Can I still ride if I don't have a Cafe Racer, Bobber, Classic, Tracker, Scrambler, Old School Chopper, Modern Classic, Sidecar, Classic Scooter, Classic Cruiser, Modern Classic Electric or Brat Styled motorcycle?

DGR is about the niches within the motorcycle community, consisting of motorcycles that you might not regularly see during your daily commute. If you can borrow or rent a suitable motorcycle, and are dressed appropriately, we encourage you to register and join the ride. If not, and you’d still like to support the event, a donation is a wonderful way to do so, as well as reach out to your local organiser to help them behind the scenes as volunteers.

I understand the ride was founded upon classic styled motorcycles, but why can’t we open it up to all?

Organising The Distinguished Gentleman’s Ride on a global scale is a tremendous task that has significant associated risks, as it currently takes place in almost 700 cities around the world with over 120,000 participants.

One of our goals is to keep the individual events small and manageable for by our volunteer ride hosts, and another is to ensure the safety of all participants that take part in each event. In order to do this, there are restrictions on the styles of motorcycles.

Many of our key events expect over 1,000 participants throughout city centres, and significant growth in numbers will increase the risk of incident and road closures substantially, which will have a negative effect on the success of The Distinguished Gentleman’s Ride.

What contradictory BS - "currently takes place (sic) with over 120,000 participants" next sentence - they want to keep it small.

How about that crap list of bikes "allowed" to attend. In the past they had silhouettes to help you understand each style. We are only interested in niches wink - back of the bus you.

I forget if it was when Triumph became a corporate sponsor or before that but suddenly the "style guide" (wait sit on that phrase for a minute, a motorcycle event with a style guide, if this isn't a red flag you're color blind) basically reflected every modern Triumph category but maybe one - while still specifically excluding mostly "cruisers" - which is what catches out some Guzzi Cali owners.

Complete and utter horse-hockey as Colonel Potter would say.
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Re: Distinguished Gentleman's Ride '23
« Reply #31 on: May 23, 2023, 07:47:34 AM »
Easy Question. What per cent goes to prostate cancer research? Sure, it costs money to host some of these events, but when 95% and more is going for admin costs something ain't right.

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Re: Distinguished Gentleman's Ride '23
« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2023, 08:06:02 AM »
Easy Question. What per cent goes to prostate cancer research? Sure, it costs money to host some of these events, but when 95% and more is going for admin costs something ain't right.

Tex (20+ year cancer survivor

It's hard to say. Because DGR isn't a 501(c)(3) IRS registered nonprofit so they aren't as easily audited.

They DO donate the money TO Movember which IS a 501c3 and Charity Navigator lists them as 82% which is good.

DGR SELF reports that they donate all money to Movember but that Movember reimburses THEM the costs of putting on the events. And at the same time DGR CLAIMS at least 80% goes to charity, but that's conveniently sounding like Movember's rating.

Still could be true.

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Re: Distinguished Gentleman's Ride '23
« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2023, 08:28:37 AM »
“DGR SELF reports that they donate all money to Movember but that Movember reimburses THEM the costs of putting on the events.”

I couldn’t find a cost for DGR or how much they are reimbursed from Movember.

In case anyone is interested in what else Movember does:  https://us.movember.com/
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Re: Distinguished Gentleman's Ride '23
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Re: Distinguished Gentleman's Ride '23
« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2023, 08:46:24 AM »
will just have to organize our own DGR, the Disgruntled Geezers Roundup. W

Yeah!  With Loops and Tontis ONLY! 

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Re: Distinguished Gentleman's Ride '23
« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2023, 08:59:26 AM »
Yeesh, haters gonna hate I guess.
DGR in Tampa I have seen Calis, EVs, V85s, V7s, CalVins, Harleys, choppers of all types. Nobody cares, wear a hipster hat and vest or don't. Ride a Janus or a minibike. It's not the most exciting thing in the world, a guided ride more or less, not very long.  I do it because I am current prosate cancer patient.

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There's a lot of cosplaying hipsters and real hipster-type milennials are the organizers here. I think it's a niche event for the Hinckley Triumph/hipster  and cafe builder crowd, in general. 'Their' event vs. a poker run to OCC  or around Harley dealers in the area.  They can't bar anyone, but much like you probably won't see a bunch of scooter riders at a bikini bike wash, the event is geared toward a certain rider style

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Re: Distinguished Gentleman's Ride '23
« Reply #36 on: May 23, 2023, 09:03:03 AM »


It's that in my opinion any "charity" that excludes participants is openly practicing hypocrisy. If they REALLY cared about the charity its interests would be first so they'd accept, not exclude.
 

I don't really see the problem.  Ride your Harley to the Marine Corps Toys for Tots run.  Ride your Triumph on the Distinguished Gentlemen's Ride.

With the HD crowd being the elephant in the room, I don't really see a problem with a group focusing on another niche of the sport.  And, I've owned several Harleys and maintain friendships with "bikers" who ride them.

What if it was Dual Sport Riders hosting a dual sport ride for charity?  Would you still want to show up on your Harley just to make a statement?

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Re: Distinguished Gentleman's Ride '23
« Reply #37 on: May 23, 2023, 09:14:42 AM »
Yeesh, haters gonna hate I guess.
DGR in Tampa I have seen Calis, EVs, V85s, V7s, CalVins, Harleys, choppers of all types. Nobody cares, wear a hipster hat and vest or don't. Ride a Janus or a minibike. It's not the most exciting thing in the world, a guided ride more or less, not very long.  I do it because I am current prosate cancer patient.

Nahhh, it's not about hating just to hate. It's about Hating the Haters.

And it's good that some of the organizers aren't pretentious d-bags but they are still out there.

And to be clear, I've always hated on the pretentious d-bags no matter what brand they ride.


I don't really see the problem.  Ride your Harley to the Marine Corps Toys for Tots run.  Ride your Triumph on the Distinguished Gentlemen's Ride.

With the HD crowd being the elephant in the room, I don't really see a problem with a group focusing on another niche of the sport.  And, I've owned several Harleys and maintain friendships with "bikers" who ride them.

What if it was Dual Sport Riders hosting a dual sport ride for charity?  Would you still want to show up on your Harley just to make a statement?

I think you're preaching to the wrong choir here. I'm the guy who has for decades ridden whatever I WANTED to at any event.

The means Harleys and Guzzis to BMW rallys

That means Harleys and BMWS to Guzzi rallys

That means BMWs and Guzzis to poker runs or vet runs or whatever...

I can't believe the "go your own way" Guzzi crowd doesn't want to relate to that?

And again, I'm not saying I wouldn't - I'm calling out the tools who try to make their event "exclusive" so they pick on some guy or gal who just wants to join in but has the wrong bike.

Jeeebuz key-ristopher - is that not the definition of all the things people who bitch about stereotypical Harley riders hate?

But it's ok now cause it's the other guys doing it.

HAA HA AHAAA  Hypocritical nonsense.

Wrong is wrong no matter who is preaching it.

To answer your ridiculous analogy, YES IF the dual sport organizers were being pretentious d-bags about excluding Harleys. I've seen some impressive dual-sport Sportsters over at ADV, then there were a couple of Buell's that might do the job.

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Re: Distinguished Gentleman's Ride '23
« Reply #38 on: May 23, 2023, 09:27:26 AM »
Aww, come on Kev...  Ridiculous Analogy?  LOL!

Glad we can always enjoy your counterpoint to any discussion.

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Re: Distinguished Gentleman's Ride '23
« Reply #39 on: May 23, 2023, 09:34:42 AM »
Aww, come on Kev...  Ridiculous Analogy?  LOL!

Cause riding a Harley on an ADV ride is the same thing as dressing up and riding a Harley slow on city streets with guys going for a vintage look. Yeah, same thing... oy vey.

Glad we can always enjoy your counterpoint to any discussion.

Only the ones that really really need it.

Hell I made ONE comment in this thread about "some" of the organizers being jerks and some dufus got so butthurt about it he bitched and got the post deleted.

To the dufus in question - I wasn't going to say another word. Didn't think there was a need. But you motived me so THANKS! Have a great day.
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Re: Distinguished Gentleman's Ride '23
« Reply #40 on: May 23, 2023, 10:01:44 AM »
Sounds like at least a few had fun on the DGR. I'd mentioned it a while back to one of the local Guzzi crew and he said something like "dress up like a bunch of hipster clowns, no effing way," or words to that effect. So I guess will just have to organize our own DGR, the Disgruntled Geezers Roundup. We'll get all the old farts that still ride and meet up at one of the dive bars in town, there's quite a few to choose from, have a beer, and then ride out to the Howling Dog in Fox. It's about 25 miles (total) and the best dive bar by far around here. Everybody rides on their own, no route or speed limit, and then will have a beer and a burger (optional). After that everybody's on their own, cause 2 beers is my limit. No angst, no problems.

sounds like job for Ken Hand  :grin:


 :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:


Actually, our ride ended and started at a great bar in the Farmer's Market.  A converted electrical station.  I had a beer there on my way home, Geo Jones' "white lightin", H Williams' "move it on over" and R Miller "do wacka do" were blaring on the speakers. 

Hipster -country -brew pub -punk -burlesque girl - dive bar scene.



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Re: Distinguished Gentleman's Ride '23
« Reply #41 on: May 23, 2023, 10:05:29 AM »
Cause riding a Harley on an ADV ride is the same thing as dressing up and riding a Harley slow on city streets with guys going for a vintage look. Yeah, same thing... oy vey.

Only the ones that really really need it.

Hell I made ONE comment in this thread about "some" of the organizers being jerks and some dufus got so butthurt about it he bitched and got the post deleted.

To the dufus in question - I wasn't going to say another word. Didn't think there was a need. But you motived me so THANKS! Have a great day.

Kev, try the ignore button.  I've used it once.

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Re: Distinguished Gentleman's Ride '23
« Reply #42 on: May 23, 2023, 10:08:55 AM »
Really, this got to the level of calling members butt hurt dufus?  :undecided: 

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Re: Distinguished Gentleman's Ride '23
« Reply #43 on: May 23, 2023, 10:11:14 AM »
When everyone involved in this debacle cools their jets maybe the thread can continue and return to its original conversation.

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Re: Distinguished Gentleman's Ride '23
« Reply #44 on: May 23, 2023, 12:33:33 PM »
Let’s keep the thread centered on the merits of the ride as it was intended by the author and please, leave the political aspects of the rides admin out of the discussion.
Thanks gentlemen for your participation with the thread.

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Re: Distinguished Gentleman's Ride '23
« Reply #45 on: May 23, 2023, 01:08:20 PM »
sounds like job for Ken Hand  :grin:


 :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:


Actually, our ride ended and started at a great bar in the Farmer's Market.  A converted electrical station.  I had a beer there on my way home, Geo Jones' "white lightin", H Williams' "move it on over" and R Miller "do wacka do" were blaring on the speakers. 

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Who's Ken Hand? I knew a John Hand once, don't think he rides, but could be a hipster!

Sounds like a great dive bar, too bad it's a 3500 mi drive!
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Re: Distinguished Gentleman's Ride '23
« Reply #46 on: May 23, 2023, 02:14:37 PM »
Who's Ken Hand? 

Some East Texas turnip farmer who is rumored to have ridden a mile or two on Guzzis.
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Re: Distinguished Gentleman's Ride '23
« Reply #47 on: May 23, 2023, 02:40:25 PM »
Some East Texas turnip farmer who is rumored to have ridden a mile or two on Guzzis.

Maybe he should revive the Hyder Seek, that's only about 1200 mi from here. They're rumored to have a real raunchy dive bar!
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Re: Distinguished Gentleman's Ride '23
« Reply #48 on: May 23, 2023, 05:53:50 PM »
Who's Ken Hand? I knew a John Hand once, don't think he rides, but could be a hipster!

Sounds like a great dive bar, too bad it's a 3500 mi drive!

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Re: Distinguished Gentleman's Ride '23
« Reply #49 on: May 23, 2023, 07:38:01 PM »
Would they accept me if I showed up on my Moto Guzzi Robin wearing my penny loafers, double knit bell bottom pants, a flowered silk shirt and sporting a monocle?

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« Reply #50 on: May 23, 2023, 08:36:00 PM »
I am on board with Kev 100% on this one.

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Re: Distinguished Gentleman's Ride '23
« Reply #51 on: May 23, 2023, 09:49:27 PM »
Hell I made ONE comment in this thread about "some" of the organizers being jerks and some dufus got so butthurt about it he bitched and got the post deleted.

I wondered where that went. seems unnecesary. way more fun to bitch AT you than about you.

So yeah...nobody ever gets turned away. Silly, unenforced stipulation. I imagine the website categories will continue to erode until the print matches the reality.

Boatload of money has been raised. Nearly 40 mil. Hope its getting where intended. THAT would be worth raising hell over.     

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Re: Distinguished Gentleman's Ride '23
« Reply #52 on: May 23, 2023, 10:24:22 PM »
Would they accept me if I showed up on my Moto Guzzi Robin wearing my penny loafers, double knit bell bottom pants, a flowered silk shirt and sporting a monocle?

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Re: Distinguished Gentleman's Ride '23
« Reply #53 on: May 23, 2023, 11:38:29 PM »
I rode it for three years here in Chattanooga Tn, then they stopped having it here.  I don’t know if we didn’t raise enough money or what.  I’m a cancer (bladder) survivor.  6 months chemotherapy surgeries to remove bladder, prostate, gall bladder and several lymph nodes!  (They would have removed the heart to but couldn’t find one, lol)

Anyways I’m a 10 year cancer survivor (scans are still negative NED).  The ride to me is for a superb cause just like the wounded warrior Memorial Day challenge ride I’m doing this weekend. 

Oh, and I rode my 72 Honda Cb 750 chopped in it so they can’t be too exclusive.  Dress the part, raise some money instead of just spending it on bs and enjoy the ride.  Loosen up a bit people!  Lol have a good day!
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Re: Distinguished Gentleman's Ride '23
« Reply #54 on: May 24, 2023, 06:45:26 AM »
I wondered where that went. seems unnecesary. way more fun to bitch AT you than about you.

So yeah...nobody ever gets turned away. Silly, unenforced stipulation. I imagine the website categories will continue to erode until the print matches the reality.

Boatload of money has been raised. Nearly 40 mil. Hope its getting where intended. THAT would be worth raising hell over.     

until next year. You've got lots of time to find some tweed knickers, Kev.

Ha ha - mostly fair points. Except that it is not "unenforced" if members here have been told they don't "qualify".

Maybe it it is mostly unenforced in reality. But then get that crap off the website.



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Re: Distinguished Gentleman's Ride '23
« Reply #55 on: May 24, 2023, 10:19:38 AM »
Would they accept me if I showed up on my Moto Guzzi Robin wearing my penny loafers, double knit bell bottom pants, a flowered silk shirt and sporting a monocle?

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Re: Distinguished Gentleman's Ride '23
« Reply #56 on: May 24, 2023, 10:27:24 AM »
I rode it for three years here in Chattanooga Tn, then they stopped having it here.  I don’t know if we didn’t raise enough money or what.  I’m a cancer (bladder) survivor.  6 months chemotherapy surgeries to remove bladder, prostate, gall bladder and several lymph nodes!  (They would have removed the heart to but couldn’t find one, lol)

Anyways I’m a 10 year cancer survivor (scans are still negative NED).  The ride to me is for a superb cause just like the wounded warrior Memorial Day challenge ride I’m doing this weekend. 

Oh, and I rode my 72 Honda Cb 750 chopped in it so they can’t be too exclusive.  Dress the part, raise some money instead of just spending it on bs and enjoy the ride.  Loosen up a bit people!  Lol have a good day!

they just a need a new organizer.  YOU could volunteer.

So far as the bonafides ..   I'll plead ignorance.  I'm skeptical of many charities.  This year I raised no money.  Either way, it was fun to meet new riders on a variety of bikes.  That's enough for me.  Hopefully we're not on war against having fun?
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