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Re: V7 Sport (road rash)
« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2022, 07:43:02 PM »
Sorry the pics arenít very good or revealing. I just havenít made much visible progress.
On the other hand the wrinkle paint turned out pretty good. I used it on the top triple and ears. I just went satin black on the console and gauge surround, then I went ahead and broke one of the lensesÖ
Anyway once my crank is finished I can start really boogying on this thing. The crank guy has been puttzing. Iím a little concerned, weíll seeÖ

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Re: V7 Sport (road rash)
« Reply #31 on: March 20, 2022, 06:51:30 AM »
After getting the front main bearing re-sized progress can begin again. One cool thing Iím doing is adding an HMB oil filter system. I never mind dropping the lower sump on Guzzis, in fact I kind of like getting a thorough oil change. What I really like about this system is that for roughly $300 you get a sump spacer, filter, pressure relief, and an easy access oil filter. I also went with HMBs mid range cam and there oil pump. Doing a shade tree measure on the cam it looks to have about 1mm more lift and probably slightly more duration a bit earlier in the rotation. HMBs stuff looks really good, all billet well made stuff. Micheal is super easy to communicate with via e-mail. I know folks have complained about there packaging methods but Iíve had a couple of big orders with them and can say everything has been well packaged. I honestly wish I wouldíve bought more from of my parts from them but shipping is a killer from Germany.
 I will also have one of Edís light flywheels too. Thatís all for go fast stuff.
Anyway oil pump, cam, crank installed. Then onto the filter sump parts. It all went fairly easily. I might try to knock some sheen off the sump spacer part as it stands out quite a bit right now. Weíll see.







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Re: V7 Sport (road rash)
« Reply #32 on: March 20, 2022, 07:56:59 AM »
Progress once again halted. It looks like the inner cylinder studs were shortened for the dual plug conversion this bike had originally. I found some on eBay, so not a huge deal.
I have dry fitted my timing gears and noticed that the cam gear has only .006Ē clearance from the front bearing flange top two bolts. The only thing Iím doing different is using schnoor (sic?) washers. I guess Iíll have to use the bent piece of tin for those two. Iím not sure if the new flange is thicker. Iíll re-assemble and measure. Iím just not comfortable with it being that tight. The HMB oil pump puts the pump gear close to the case as well. That might promote more oil to the gears actuallyÖ

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Re: V7 Sport (road rash)
« Reply #33 on: March 20, 2022, 02:04:17 PM »
Micheal is super easy to communicate with via e-mail. I know folks have complained about there packaging methods but Iíve had a couple of big orders with them and can say everything has been well packaged.

Then the situation has changed drastically, probably because of complaints, damaged and lost parts. I've had cylinder sets arrive in just their thin fitted boxes that were loose in a much larger box with zero bubble wrap or any other packing material. I got lucky and nothing was damaged, others less so.
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Re: V7 Sport (road rash)
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Re: V7 Sport (road rash)
« Reply #34 on: March 20, 2022, 05:05:05 PM »
I remember reading complaints about that and of course it influenced my decision to do business with them but in the end I ended up spending money with them obviously. A couple years ago I bought some discs for (now Tomís) a T3. It was pretty poorly packaged but they arrived intact. I think they do some really neat things there and Iíd like to support them if possible.
Spend at your own risk I guessÖ

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Re: V7 Sport (road rash)
« Reply #35 on: March 21, 2022, 07:47:09 PM »
I have only had good results dealing with HMB but I have also heard of the horror stories.
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Re: V7 Sport (road rash)
« Reply #36 on: April 08, 2022, 08:49:35 PM »
Transmission rebuilt using the guts bought from the swap meet. Cali 1100 I believe. Same gear ratios, an extra o-ring here and there. Every bearing besides the internal thin rollers on the shaft(s) replaced. Drum shimmed, Prussian blue on the ends of floating shafts to verify they are not making contact. Final assembly and it wouldnít shift out of neutralÖ. :embarassed:, disassembled, I found nothing. I re-assembled and it shifted great. I have no idea why.
I managed to fit the clutch and starter ring tonight, forgetting where I had that old deep spline input hub. I was able to line everything up without it. So the most complex and expensive parts are done.
Iíll try to take more pics now that the operation is moving out to the shed from the basement.
The output seal on the trans is a bit proud of the speedo drive. I remember when rebuilding Tomís T3 it was the same. I even ordered another seal thinking I mightíve installed the wrong one, I didnít. Anyway this seal was a bit different and looks to do the same thing. The T3 didnít leak so hopefully this one doesnítÖ

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Re: V7 Sport (road rash)
« Reply #37 on: April 29, 2022, 08:28:41 PM »
Progress is progress but, Iím light on pics.
Some wiring done and I made a decision on foot controls. My options for now are either: cutdown v7 brackets and fabbing 850t shifter/rear brake linkages to work, run the cut down ďdownstairs mixupĒ controls (wrong side, right way up) or what Iíve decided 850t stuff all around until I can get my grubby paws on some v7 sport footpegs. Itís something like 40mm forward and down from V7 sports.
I also decided to re-seal the rear drive. It took some clean up on the two seal surfaces. It should go back together tomorrow. First time that deep in a Guzzi rear drive. I think I could handle a gear swap if I needed. In other words a shaved ape can take it apartÖ
Antietam CC gave me some (offline) advice on rear hub casting issues after I made a snap judgment on some ominous looking flaws in the rear hub. Turns out I was fine! So that should go back together soon too.
Tires, exhaust, footpegs and a good headlight are the major purchases due.

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Re: V7 Sport (road rash)
« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2022, 12:19:40 AM »
For a headlight look on German EBay for a Moto Morini 3-1/2 headlight, my 1975 3-1/2 headlight is identical to the V7 Sport, if you can find one it will probably be much cheaper than a V7 sport headlight, the Benelli 650S also uses the same headlight, earlier 650S is similar except for the 4 prong wire terminal plugs are individual rather than being on a common plastic receptacle like the Sport unit and the shell will be painted black rather than chrome.
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Re: V7 Sport (road rash)
« Reply #39 on: May 07, 2022, 10:17:27 PM »
Detlef Burian, the Benelli parts guy in Germany has the correct headlight used for 160 Euro and new for 230 Euro, check his website, look at the Benelli 650S page and scroll to the electric page, click on the headlight and the prices pop up on top left of page

https://www.benelliparts.de/

You will need to check if the headlight shell is black or chrome, they were typically black on the Benelli

TLM has the headlight ears in stock

https://shop.tlm.nl/en/staytube-v7-sport-dx-144967000000-moto-guzzi

850T tool boxes use the same back setcion, Moto Guzzi Classics used to sell repop fiberglass V7 Sport lids that you can rivet to the original steel hinges on the T box, check with Mark to see if he has any lids

https://www.ebay.com/itm/203852049024?hash=item2f76876a80:g:edcAAOSwwJ9iAVaJ
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Re: V7 Sport (road rash)
« Reply #40 on: May 07, 2022, 10:34:00 PM »
This guy in Austria looks like he has a pair of V7 Sport front signal light brackets, he also sells reproduction clear plexiglass fairings and the brackets on German Ebay

https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-bestandsliste.html?userId=5561598&pageNum=4&sortingField=SORTING_DATE
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Re: V7 Sport (road rash)
« Reply #41 on: May 08, 2022, 06:57:45 AM »
Thanks Canuck,
I will be reaching out to the Benelli guy.
I have headlight ears.
I am trying to translate the German eBay site to get those turn signal brackets.
I have toolboxes, though I wish lined up betterÖ

Thanks agan :thumb:

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Re: V7 Sport (road rash)
« Reply #42 on: May 16, 2022, 06:11:47 PM »
Some big and little wins the last few days. After realizing I had my ignition timing a few * outÖ It fired up in half a crank! Iíve got to sort the idle,etc but thatís huge for me.
Also after a few weeks of soaking in penetrating oil the fuel solenoid freed up. I always thought this to be a cool (slightly silly) feature and wanted to use it.
The little cable splitter for the Magura throttle that was graciously recommended by Antietam CC showed as being sold out right after I ordered it and I never got a shipping confirmation so I sorta assumed I was outta luck. I was super happy to see that package show up today! I also dig the Uber simple, ratio-less original throttle. Combined with the VHB slide springs, this throttle and the fresh clutch springs this bike might test my manhood. :embarrassed:

Hereís my attempt at sharing a video. Yes grammar bad, carbs are far from synced (cable splitter hadnít arrived at the time)
https://youtube.com/shorts/W9aI-NtulY8?feature=share

My wife, who was filming was apparently not impressed, as she immediately asked what I wanted for dinnerÖ



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Re: V7 Sport (road rash)
« Reply #43 on: June 14, 2022, 10:35:17 AM »
I am getting closer to finishing what I aimed to accomplish on this bike for the summer.
I have put 200 miles on it so far, atleast 10 heat cycles, re-torqued heads 3 times (last time seemed pointless) but Iíll do it twice more at a minimum, Iíve gone through the jetting using my butt dyno. I arrived at 50pilots between 1.25 turns left, 1.5 right, V9(?) needle at richest, 40 slides, 135 mains. This has a lightened flywheel and the HMB V7 Sport cam. Some cool looking velocity stacks originally off of a Ducati single and classic Uni sock filters ill fittedÖ.
I havenít brought it to redline yet as Iíll wait until I change the oil again in another 300 miles or so.
Carb syncÖ.
No vacuum ports on these manifolds. I was thinking about trying this method.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5bmJ0iYBYgQ
Seems a little hard on the coils? Opinions?

Iíll post some pics when I get the exhaust mounted.
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Re: V7 Sport (road rash)
« Reply #44 on: June 15, 2022, 11:36:52 AM »
With any luck I will get the tins painted this summer, otherwise Iím mostly done. Lots of adjustments, possibly an electronic ignition at some point.








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Re: V7 Sport (road rash)
« Reply #45 on: June 15, 2022, 11:53:43 AM »
Congratulations,beautiful job.If it runs as good as your t3 you have a winner.

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Re: V7 Sport (road rash)
« Reply #46 on: June 15, 2022, 03:39:46 PM »
Some cool looking velocity stacks originally off of a Ducati single

Carb syncÖ.
No vacuum ports on these manifolds. I was thinking about trying this method.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5bmJ0iYBYgQ
Seems a little hard on the coils? Opinions?

I still have that set of original V7 Sport 'stacks if you want them.

I'd either sync the carbs by measuring the slide opening(s) with drill bits, or just drilling and tapping the manifolds for vacuum fittings.

Looks great! 
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Re: V7 Sport (road rash)
« Reply #47 on: June 15, 2022, 05:29:00 PM »
Thanks guys! Iím not on Dave, Antietam, or Canuckís level by a long shot, but itís fun.

Iíll send you an email on those stacks in a while. Iím traveling a bit the next few weeks.

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Re: V7 Sport (road rash)
« Reply #48 on: June 20, 2022, 05:15:36 AM »
Nice work! :thumb:  Lookin goooood.
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Re: V7 Sport (road rash)
« Reply #49 on: June 20, 2022, 07:00:02 PM »
Iíve got a few hundred miles on the old girl now and have been able to open it up a bit. So I thought Iíd give my riding impressions.
Iíve owned three Guzzis in my life. A long term, oft crashed, bastardized, v11 Sport since sold. A lightly modded, mechanically refreshed T3, now owned by Tkelly.  :cry: I do miss a bitÖ In good hands though.
Now this.
The most noticeable thing about a V7 Sport right away is how tall the gearing is. Most bikes from this period and beyond I find myself searching for a 7th or 6th gear that doesnít exist when first riding. The v7 I was looking for gear below 1st! One of the first few rides I was thinking about how tall the gearing was going down the highway at 70mph, until I realized I was in 4th! I mean indicated 80mph is the only time you need be snicking into 5th!
The next noticeable (read:charm) part is the honking 4ls drum. So sexy to my eyes! My dad was only 12 when these were new but somehow Iím (at 40) nostalgic for the times of big mechanical brakes. These are honestly better than expected. I had a pretty worked over Yamaha that sported an XS1 2ls brake stopping a wild RD350 thing I built and it totally stunk if honest. This 4ls is almost adequate and Iím still fine tuning it a bit. Iím obviously not going to outbreak any modern bike but if youíre able to give it a healthy squeeze itíll slow you down. It also doesnít overheat as easily as I thought it would.
The engine is mostly stock save an HMB home brew camshaft and a pro lightened flywheel. Iíd like to add a Sachse iggy and eventually have heads ported properly and add 32mm carbs. Not today though. Compared to Tkellyís T3 it doesnít have a ton more power maybe 3-4 more Hp, and likely less torque especially with the higher gearing it feels that way. It does have such a cool sound with the Lafranconi Competizione mufflers and short stroke itís amazing! Power builds more so with this engine than the T3 as well. I havenít been up over 6500rpm yet but it has no tell of signing off.
I really spent some time on this transmission when rebuilding, replacing almost all bearings and spending a TON of time on shimming the shift drum within a gnats bum. I sourced a solid heim joint linkage for my basically 850T foot controls and think I can dial this in more. It still shift like a Guzzi, which is uhh charmingÖ better, but you still canít be careless when shifting. Getting the perfect Ďsnickí into gear still requires some care.
The riding position (with 850T foot controls) is not bad. Aggressive enough that nobody is going to confuse you for a cruiser and the IMO perpetually disconnected front end of a Guzzi has more feel with the repro swan necks. Keep in mind this front wheel weighs a TON! However the fork dampers are pretty shot. Tkellyís T3 has renewed dampers and springs, disc brakes, etc. and is much more compliant. Iím thinking Iíll have some FACs(?) relatively soon. The rear Koni shocks, surprisingly good after a rebuild! If I can swing the cost of re-chroming the springs Iíll be happy!
I canít remember what clutch I went with, itís fine. You gotta be serious about using it, no wrist relief here! The good part is once in 3rd you donít need to use it much while strafing corners with the tall gearing.
I still hope to get the tank and toolboxes painted this summer and use the original broken footpegs to fab a more closer to v7 sport foot controls.

All in all, an involved machine that makes you feel cool when you ride it!
Thanks for indulging me :bike-037:

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Re: V7 Sport (road rash)
« Reply #50 on: June 22, 2022, 01:34:40 PM »
Congrats...really interesting to read your road report .
I've thought about building a short stroke engine for a long time...

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