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« Last post by kingoffleece on December 16, 2025, 09:48:52 PM »
I'm interested in how it works out. I can barely see my 595 Garmin anymore.
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« Last post by kingoffleece on December 16, 2025, 09:44:51 PM »
If Norton steals 100 sales from anybody I'll be amazed.
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« Last post by SIR REAL ED on December 16, 2025, 09:13:51 PM »
I have not thought about it until now, but how many of the newer vehicles have quick shifters as standard equipment?
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« Last post by SIR REAL ED on December 16, 2025, 09:12:12 PM »
What was the battery drain problem you found?
I'd assume it was due to the electrical draw of the quick shifter. There are no free lunches you know....
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« Last post by Huzo on December 16, 2025, 09:04:26 PM »
Hear me out. Keep the same crankshaft, and head and pistons unchanged, but increase the stroke and use longer connecting rods, and taller jugs (cyls). My pea brain says to get to 950, you'd need to increase stroke/length by: (follow my ramble)
The current V85 is an oversquare motor - Bore = 84 mm (0.084 m) Stroke = 77 mm (0.077 m).
If you kept the 84mm bore, and went undersquare and used a 86mm stroke (9mm increase) by using taller Cyls and CRs, you'd be at 953cc.
The only real problem I would see with this is clearance at the case/lower cyl opening for the CR, but if youre making new CR's you can adjust for that. This is the red suspender snapping approach and only requires new 9mm longer Connecting Rods and Cyls. Heck, depending on the length of the CYL sleeve in the jug, you might be able to get away with a 9mm spacer and new CR's.
Keeping with the same insanity, increasing bore to 85mm is more involved, new pistons, remachining heads for larger jugs (maybe) but bumps displacement to 978CC.....
Both are close enough to call it a 1000 and you'd have a torquey little motor, but less potential power at the top end.
I've been round and round with Pete on this years ago, and I respect the man, but don't agree. Neither do I have the machine shop capabilities to do this. But in my mind, a 9mm (.34in) increase in stroke and cyl height isn't a bridge too far, nor is a 1mm increase in bore.
Pardon my geeking out, this is leftover slag from my time building High Powered NA VW/Porsche Type IV motors. If I had the ability and resources, I'd do it. Again, The ONLY real problem I see here is that the CR's could touch the case where the cyls insert, and properly fashioned CRs could be used to offset that potential.
I know, I know, you will say that the Guzzi Engineers would have done it if possible, but hey, they aren't even able to properly grease swing arm and steering yoke bearings.........  
How will you increase the stroke if you retain the same crank ?
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« Last post by bronzestar1 on December 16, 2025, 07:58:36 PM »
"Read that as, features a moron like me will never think to even look for, and then never figure out how to use properly after I become aware that the vehicle i have owned for years has those features."
Don't feel bad...it took my daughter a year to realize her 4R ORP had a heated steering wheel! It was SO funny, her and I are in her 4R ORP, which also has heated seats, and she made the comment that it would be nice if it also had a heated steering wheel. I looked at her, reached over and pressed the button, and viola, heated steering wheel! In her defense, the button to activate it was placed where as the driver you'd never know it was there, but still!
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« Last post by SIR REAL ED on December 16, 2025, 07:56:12 PM »
Hear me out. Keep the same crankshaft, and head and pistons unchanged, but increase the stroke and use longer connecting rods, and taller jugs (cyls). My pea brain says to get to 950, you'd need to increase stroke/length by: (follow my ramble)
The current V85 is an oversquare motor - Bore = 84 mm (0.084 m) Stroke = 77 mm (0.077 m).
If you kept the 84mm bore, and went undersquare and used a 86mm stroke (9mm increase) by using taller Cyls and CRs, you'd be at 953cc.
The only real problem I would see with this is clearance at the case/lower cyl opening for the CR, but if youre making new CR's you can adjust for that. This is the red suspender snapping approach and only requires new 9mm longer Connecting Rods and Cyls. Heck, depending on the length of the CYL sleeve in the jug, you might be able to get away with a 9mm spacer and new CR's.
Keeping with the same insanity, increasing bore to 85mm is more involved, new pistons, remachining heads for larger jugs (maybe) but bumps displacement to 978CC.....
Both are close enough to call it a 1000 and you'd have a torquey little motor, but less potential power at the top end.
I've been round and round with Pete on this years ago, and I respect the man, but don't agree. Neither do I have the machine shop capabilities to do this. But in my mind, a 9mm (.34in) increase in stroke and cyl height isn't a bridge too far, nor is a 1mm increase in bore.
Pardon my geeking out, this is leftover slag from my time building High Powered NA VW/Porsche Type IV motors. If I had the ability and resources, I'd do it. Again, The ONLY real problem I see here is that the CR's could touch the case where the cyls insert, and properly fashioned CRs could be used to offset that potential.
I know, I know, you will say that the Guzzi Engineers would have done it if possible, but hey, they aren't even able to properly grease swing arm and steering yoke bearings.........
I think you meant to say the 9mm more stoke has to come from the crank itself (move the crank pin 4.5mm away from center), then shorten the connecting rod by 4.5mm. IIRC, that is how Powroll used to stroke the Honda single cylinder engines. I might be misconstruing something.....
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« Last post by SIR REAL ED on December 16, 2025, 07:46:15 PM »
Walk around…? https://youtu.be/W9ulUhJgVwk?feature=shared
You need to turn the idle up on that beast. Sound too Harley-ish....
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« Last post by SIR REAL ED on December 16, 2025, 07:44:53 PM »
So far this thread has been an excellent education. Please keep the opinions coming.
Lots of excellent information so far. Thanks to everyone. The 4Runner, Highlander, and Frontier all appeal to me. A friend swears by Mazdas, but I don't think he keeps his vehicle for more than 100,000 miles.
At my age, I might only have about 200,000 miles of driving left before I get recalled!!!
A friend who is a mechanic thinks the sweet years for most vehicles is 1995-2005. After OBD scanners, but before endless complication & sophistication.
Read that as, features a moron like me will never think to even look for, and then never figure out how to use properly after I become aware that the vehicle i have owned for years has those features.
The big question of buying new(er) to me is always, if $1500 per year keeps a vehicle of known quality running, how many monthly payments can you make for $1500?
Or spending $25K for something nicer is 16 years of $1500 a year repairs.
First world problems are the best kind to have.....
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« Last post by bad Chad on December 16, 2025, 07:42:03 PM »
Pete Roper has said there is no way a modern Guzzi 850 can make a reliable 100plus HP, period It's amazing they are able to get 80hp out of it.
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