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« Last post by Moparnut72 on January 21, 2025, 09:12:17 AM »
The 1200 Speed Twin and the T120 are very different motorcycles. The T120 is tuned more for torque than HP. The Speed Twin is tuned for a bump in HP over the T120. I believe most of the difference is due to Cam timing. The now discontinued Thruxton had even more. I had a T120 it felt more like riding a Harley than a MG. When I traded my Bonneville for the V100 I had to teach myself to wind it up. I have heard that a number of years ago that MG took some 1400 Californias to Sturgis for demo rides. All those Harley guys came back in and said nice bikes but they don't have any power. Of course they are used to riding between 2,500 and 3,000 rpm.
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« Last post by Kev m on January 21, 2025, 09:00:50 AM »
Does anyone know if the V7 Sport's motor is differentiated from the other V7 850's? Or do all get the larger TB? I'm pretty sure they all will have TBW. I REALLY like the look of the V7 10, but am waiting to see the V7 Sport. But who am I kidding? Unless it is a killer deal, I will need to sell something to make room...............  
All the new V7's have the larger throttle body with presumably the separate ECU like the V85. They all have Ride By Wire, Cruise, and multi-mapping, but only the V7 SPORT has the "Sport" mapping mode. At least according to initial literature from Guzzi. That wet weight seems awfully low for the T120. Are we sure of that claim accuracy?
I don't know where Faffi is getting that completely fictitious wet weight AHHH, never mind looked closer - He's talking about the Speed Twin and not the base T120 - TRIUMPH themselves said the 520# I quoted earlier on the T120: https://www.triumphmotorcycles.com/motorcycles/classic/bonneville-t120/specification
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« Last post by Dirk_S on January 21, 2025, 08:45:41 AM »
Triumph 1200 Speed Twin
Liquid-cooled parallel
Capacity 1200 cc
Bore 97.6 mm
Stroke 80 mm
Compression 12.1:1
Max Power EC 105 PS / 103.5 bhp (77.2 kW) @ 7,750 rpm
Max Torque EC 112 Nm @ 4,250 rpm
Wet weight 476 lbs
That wet weight seems awfully low for the T120. Are we sure of that claim accuracy? sorry, I failed to read throughly, but I’m not sure why we’re pulling up 1200cc Speed Twin specs.I’m still surprised that the T120 isn’t pushing out more hp. It’s either being restricted, perhaps for model/engine marketing purposes, or the power curve directed to more torque…is my guess anyway. I think I made this up—therefore it’s probably quite flawed—but I tend to look at the power expectation/comparison with air-cooled and liquid-cooled bikes by using a 10:1 ratio of CC to HP. If an air-cooled bike can get its HP close to 10% of the machine’s CC, I’m impressed (850cc yielding 65 hp), whereas a liquid-cooled bike should be near or exceeding that arbitrary 10% rule. Again, that volume-to-power equation is merely borne of my own ignorant biases; happy to be educated if need be. But as mentioned, I think the T100 is the proper ride comparison to a Guzzi air-cooled small block. Modern classic to modern classic.
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« Last post by Bulldog9 on January 21, 2025, 08:30:28 AM »
So... I sorted electrical issue with wrecked V85tt, and it is time now to replace damaged suspension parts. I should have written off the bike, had I known the costs of repair, but at this point I am at point of no return. Anyhow, fork legs, subframe, headlight just arrived from an eBay dismantler. As I was installing fork legs, it seems my triple tree is bent. Would you agree it needs to be replaced? With one leg in place, the other one is way off. I have never replaced triple tree. The manual says to use special tool to undo nut on steering stem. Is the any way to remove it without special tool? Thank you!
How much is it off? The lower TT can bend when the forks are FUBAR from an accident, but if it is not too far off, taking the bolt out of the lower TT on BOTH sides and tapping a wedge in the slot can open them far enough to get a little bit of play to get the tubes up. once up, remove wedge, and reinstall bolts. Most important is to ensure that the lower bolts are tightened first and the bottom bearing is taking most of the load. This will mean once you have the tubes even and at the desired height and bottom pinch bolt is tight you loosen the top bolts, reinstall the front wheel, settle the bike on the front tire and bounce the bike a bit to ensure the forks and lower TT are settled. Then tighten top TT pinch bolts.
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« Last post by faffi on January 21, 2025, 08:30:25 AM »
Don’t forget the Triumph is also liquid-cooled, and so you would imagine a Triumph 1200 cc liquid-cooled bike to get something north of 100 hp. But, if I recall, the factory cam appears to be the restricting factor. I’ve read some forum comments and seen some videos purporting that installing a hot cam yielded much more of the Triumph bike’s capability.
Still, I think the T100 is more the Guzzi’s direct competition for pricing and performance, and I’m willing to wager (not much) that between the two, they’re quite fun to compare both on paper and empirical observation.
Triumph 1200 Speed Twin Liquid-cooled parallel twin, 8 valve, SOHC, 270 degree firing order Capacity 1200 cc Bore 97.6 mm Stroke 80 mm Compression 12.1:1 Max Power EC 105 PS / 103.5 bhp (77.2 kW) @ 7,750 rpm Max Torque EC 112 Nm @ 4,250 rpm Wet weight 476 lbs
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« Last post by Bulldog9 on January 21, 2025, 08:17:43 AM »
Here in Oz, if you exceed the limit by 5 kph routinely, you WILL lose your licence due to accumulation of demerit points.
Camera cars are very common.
That's strict. Is there no differentiation between the 'type' of road? On our main highways, state highways and interstates, +10 MPH is almost always safe except in areas there is construction. Same is largely true in uninhabited places out in the wild/country with few cross streets or houses. In cities, and towns, with high population, you may get away with 5, but in some there is zero tolerance. I generally ride just below the speed limit in populated areas, neighborhoods, cities with a high number of cross streets, etc. On more open roads, highways, etc. I will generally ride at what is the fastest the conditions and situations present, but always faster than whatever traffic is around me. My 'theory'/ practice is that this small amount of deviation helps being seen. My V7ii is PERFECT for slower back roads, city, and single lane. The motor is punchy and responsive at speeds below 60-65. Sure, I have had it on the highway and ridden at 70+ for hours, but there is VERY little left in the tank for quick acceleration. Same is true for the Baby Breva. The Big Blocks: Griso 1100, 1200 Sport (both 4V motors) and the Norge (8V motor) have loads of power and pull like freight trains up into the triple digits. I have ridden the V85, and like the power bump over the V7 ii and iii, but it still can't compare to the Big Blocks. i did ride the V9 Bobber, and that felt closer to the BB motors. The 2nd Gen V7 850 in the upcoming V7 Sport has a larger throttle body, and TBW, I imagine it has closed the gap even more. Does anyone know if the V7 Sport's motor is differentiated from the other V7 850's? Or do all get the larger TB? I'm pretty sure they all will have TBW. I REALLY like the look of the V7 10, but am waiting to see the V7 Sport. But who am I kidding? Unless it is a killer deal, I will need to sell something to make room...............
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« Last post by sdcr on January 21, 2025, 08:17:22 AM »
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« Last post by Dirk_S on January 21, 2025, 08:09:49 AM »
T120 is a 1200, I would hope it has more hp than a v7!
Don’t forget the Triumph is also liquid-cooled, and so you would imagine a Triumph 1200 cc liquid-cooled bike to get something north of 100 hp. But, if I recall, the factory cam appears to be the restricting factor. I’ve read some forum comments and seen some videos purporting that installing a hot cam yielded much more of the Triumph bike’s capability. Still, I think the T100 is more the Guzzi’s direct competition for pricing and performance, and I’m willing to wager (not much) that between the two, they’re quite fun to compare both on paper and empirical observation.
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« Last post by Kev m on January 21, 2025, 07:56:34 AM »
* Triumph T120 horsepower = 79
* Guzzi V7 850 horsepower = 65
  
Let's go a step further: * Triumph T120 (1200cc) - 520# Wet - 79 hp * BMW R1200R (1170cc) - 509-511# Wet - 109-125 hp depending on version * Griso 1100 (1064cc) - 543# Wet - 86 hp * Guzzi V7 Sport (853cc) - 485# Wet - 67 hp So I guess it depends on what you're looking for, but the V7 Sport sounds pretty Goldilocks to me.
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