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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Antietam Classic Cycle on July 26, 2021, 12:13:28 PM
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Just an FYI for anyone with a "no title" bike. On June 15th, I sent to Saint's to obtain a title for my '74 850-T, following the procedure on their website: https://www.saintsengine.com/services/title-service/ . This afternoon, I received a TN title ready to be transferred into my name. Now I can go ahead with my "850-S2" project. :grin:
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:thumb: and thanks!
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I think that's the same place I used to get a title for my 70 Ambo in the 80's. They basically buy your bike & sell it back to you w/title.
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Thanks Charlie. This got me off my duff to get the process going for an old Honda that I have had sitting around.
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Just an FYI for anyone with a "no title" bike. On June 15th, I sent to Saint's to obtain a title for my '74 850-T, following the procedure on their website: https://www.saintsengine.com/services/title-service/ . This afternoon, I received a TN title ready to be transferred into my name. Now I can go ahead with my "850-S2" project. :grin:
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Hey Charlie, What was the cost of this service?
thanks!
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I called out of curiosity and got an answering machine so I hung up. Joe Casola called me back and was very cordial on the phone. He said they have done 1000 titles with only about three failures. He said if it wasn't a chopper or a dubious hog, it was almost a sure thing. I think the price was $300 to $500 depending on age (of bike). The language used on the website is stronger than necessary due to a few people out there who try to pull a fast one, Joe stated.
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"Title Service
We know first hand how much of a pain it can be to get proper paperwork for your vintage or antique vehicle so we have begun to offer our service publicly. We are the preferred title service of Kiwi Indian Motorcycles, The Motorcycle Cannonball, Rocky Mountain Motorcycle Museum and a large number in the AMCA. By selling us your basket case we are able to title it in our name and then sell it back to you. In the process a clean TN title is generated in our name and is signed over to you.
Read our Title Service page to learn more.
Price: $300+"
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Hey Charlie, What was the cost of this service?
thanks!
$300 for this vintage of bike.
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Nicely done Charlie and a reasonable price for the service. I register bikes in VT but pre - a vin check was required. Now I think they are not. I still have to pay about 6% sales tax. The registration can be flipped back to Mass when it comes up for renewal.
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Now that’s what I’m talking about…there is a way
Thanks!
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The VT process is a small bit of legwork but at a saving and its interesting to go through at least once to say been there done that and more importantly it works.
It also makes once undesirable bikes (bikes of a certain age with no titles) viable. You've just got to figure the registration/title process into the offer
Pre-- when going through VT a VIN verification was based on a CC's. I think anything under 399cc (?) didn't need anything over did. It was easy. Take the bike or a VIN tracing to any local police department and ask then to run it through NCIS database to verify it is not stolen. The Guzzi I did it with had a less than 17 digit VIN and was not even in the system. The officer asked about the VIN I explained that the 17 digit VIN was not standardized until 19XX. He's said its doesn't eve show up in the system but it is also not coming back as stolen. He signed the paper and off I went. Got home filled out the VD-119 online form that a fillable/printable wrote a check and mailed it off. 11 days later I got my valid VT registration in my name along with a valid tag. Total price was a bit over less than $175/$200 (bike was valued at $1,500)
If I lived in a state where the tag does not have to match residence I could have just paid VT yearly for new tag but in PA the if you are a PA resident your vehicles must also be registered in PA. So I took the title to the DMV paid tax on the declared value of the bike then the title fee. Walked out of the DMV with a clean clear PA title in my name.
You pay:
6% tax on the KBB book value or $1,500 whatever is greater. Call and ask the VT value before you write the check. VT DMV is very helpful and friendly.
$48 registration fee
BOS (you can write a BOS to yourself. VT does not care its simply a statement saying the vehicle was sold) - https://dmv.vermont.gov/sites/dmv/files/documents/VT-005-Bill_of_Sale_ODS.pdf
Registration/tax renewal form. Fill out and two copies will print out. Both get mailed to VT DMV. One will come back as your temp registration card the other stays VT DMV - https://dmv.vermont.gov/sites/dmv/files/documents/VD-119-Vehicle_Registration_Tax_Title_0.pdf
VIN Verification form - https://dmv.vermont.gov/sites/dmv/files/documents/VT-010-VIN_HIN_Verification.pdf
I started going through this proses with a old truck I have. It had been in the family forever, and in my possession for over 20 years, but between people passing away, and let to someone that passed away and left to someone... Well I had a paper trail, but all partys were gone. Even the estate lawers were long since retired... Problem was that VT using KBB raised the cost so much. KBB showed my old Dodge to be worth $15,000-22,000!! The cost of title would be more then the worth of the truck. Turned out I got it sorted in NY, and didnt have to go that way..
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The $$ savings wasn't worth the extra "legwork" to me. Then as "Michael" on the Loopframe Guzzi Facebook Group pointed out:
Also transferring a title is something the DMV does everyday, so is no big deal. When you show up with a Vermont registration it leads to lots of calling the manager over, debating whether or not they can do this (even though they did it last time) come back tomorrows, etc.
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I used Vermont for my recent BSA project. It was easy but was a bit expensive due to sales tax based on NADA charts...The Vermont yearly registration fee is way more than NY but no stupid 6 dollar annual inspection....So I will continue with the Vt. reggie .
Normally I would use the loop holes in NY not having titles on vehicles older than 1972 to push through no paperwork deals but the DMV was closed due to the plague...
Saints looks like a good alternative and only requires a Notary stamp, free at my local bank...Charlie, thanks for the info...
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Thx Charlie. ill be using your referral for my no title, barn find 85 lemans
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The $$ savings wasn't worth the extra "legwork" to me. Then as "Michael" on the Loopframe Guzzi Facebook Group pointed out:
Also transferring a title is something the DMV does everyday, so is no big deal. When you show up with a Vermont registration it leads to lots of calling the manager over, debating whether or not they can do this (even though they did it last time) come back tomorrows, etc.
In PA I walked into PennDot main HQ showed them them the 2 day old registration in my name told them I wanted to transfer it to a PA title and they immediately went to work processing it to a title. No questions asked as there is no grey area or interpretation on the matter. VT does not issue titles on vehicles past a certain age and a valid registration is all the legal paperwork that is required to show ownership.
It was as cut and dried as any other title I have ever transferred.
I get paying for someone else to do the legwork as sometime there just aren't enough hours in the day.
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The $$ savings wasn't worth the extra "legwork" to me. Then as "Michael" on the Loopframe Guzzi Facebook Group pointed out:
Also transferring a title is something the DMV does everyday, so is no big deal. When you show up with a Vermont registration it leads to lots of calling the manager over, debating whether or not they can do this (even though they did it last time) come back tomorrows, etc.
The people at my Oklahoma title/tag bureau would not honor the VT paperwork. They said they would have to hear it on the phone from an "official" in Vermont. I called Vermont DMV, and gave them the Okie DMV phone number. It was straightened out in 5 minutes. The Vermont lady asked me what kind of ignorant d!psh1ts worked at the Okie DMV. So, yes there can be snags.
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Besides NY That I mentioned, I believe several other states do not issue titles on vehicles of a particular age...I do know that NY DMV has a book with actual example photo copies of titles or transferrable registration from every state. I would think all other states have similar info..Some DMV clerks are very suspicious off anything they haven't see before. I find it to my advantage to look and smell clean with a happy face when dealing with the DMV...
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Before chasing a title from out of state, it's good to check with your state's DMV to see what procedure they may have for securing a title.
When I went back to VT in 2000, I registered several old bikes with no papers in order to get a title later on. After moving to SC, the VT registrations and a VIN inspection was all the SC DMV needed to provide a title. Otherwise, there was no straightforward lost title process here in state.
Now that states recognize an additional revenue stream, more are offering a title-issue service. SC has a new process, maybe 5 yrs old, to title a VIN. I think it's only for residents but not sure. I've got the paperwork but haven't done it yet. Cost is reasonable. If all is good conditional title will be issued, similar to a bonded title, and if there are no claims against the VIN within the conditional time period (I think 6 months, to deter dealers flipping cars & bikes), a regular title is issued. SC also offers a bonded title if that's all you need. I planned to title my V700 cafe project via VT or elsewhere to then transfer to SC until a friend told me about the new SC process. He has done several bikes without problems.
SC has also added a one time "import" fee of sorts to transfer an out of state title (any vehicle) into the SC DMV system. Fees like this will add $$ to any out of state title service you might use.