Wildgoose Chase Moto Guzzi

General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Canuck750 on July 27, 2021, 10:41:30 PM

Title: Nice Guzzi rig
Post by: Canuck750 on July 27, 2021, 10:41:30 PM
This is a real nice Guzzi rig! Would take this any day over a Ural.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/304082837870?hash=item46ccbfe16e:g:EXsAAOSw9EJg~647

(https://i.postimg.cc/tgLHz3Jh/s-l1600-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4KbMfhzd)
Title: Re: Nice Guzzi rig
Post by: Scout63 on July 28, 2021, 06:33:44 AM
Agreed.  It is beautiful.

 I would think that someone could engineer a computer controlled electric motor and brake in the hack wheel to compensate for the sidecar and make driving easier.
Title: Re: Nice Guzzi rig
Post by: Dave Swanson on July 28, 2021, 06:57:29 AM
That is a very nice rig!  It is very tempting.  That 1400 makes a great tug I am sure!

20 years ago I purchased a 1999 Harley Ultra Classic with HD sidecar so that my wife could have something fun and different in her life.  She was wheelchair bound even back then but I could lift her into and out of the sidecar.   This fun experiment was short lived because the next riding season she had weakened to the point that she could no longer hold her head up in the sidecar.  I sold the rig soon after.

What I hadn't anticipated is just how much I enjoyed driving a sidecar!  I caught on very quickly to the rig's idiosyncrasies and found myself having a blast with it.

I have looked everywhere, but have not been able to find a single picture of my wife in the hack, so this picture will have to do. 

(https://i.postimg.cc/65dPrh2D/Scan-20210607.png) (https://postimg.cc/ppLkxzBZ)
Title: Re: Nice Guzzi rig
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on July 28, 2021, 07:26:00 AM
forwarded this to the wife, she is smitten!  I dont think she is $25k smitten when I'm already scheming on a Laverda and we need a roof....

Looks mighty sharp tho
Title: Re: Nice Guzzi rig
Post by: Dave Swanson on July 28, 2021, 07:34:53 AM
As long as we are dreaming about high end sidecar rigs, might as well throw another 10K on the pile and get this Teutonic masterpiece.  It is a 2016 BMW R1200S that was sent to Germany to have this Ruko sidecar adapted to it and shipped back.  35K seems quite reasonable when you start adding up what the initial investment was.

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Title: Re: Nice Guzzi rig
Post by: s1120 on July 28, 2021, 07:38:49 AM
WOW thats pretty stunning!!  No way the 25k will fit in to my plans any time soon, but MAN the want it strong with that one!! 
Title: Re: Nice Guzzi rig
Post by: s1120 on July 28, 2021, 07:43:36 AM
That is a very nice rig!  It is very tempting.  That 1400 makes a great tug I am sure!

20 years ago I purchased a 1999 Harley Ultra Classic with HD sidecar so that my wife could have something fun and different in her life.  She was wheelchair bound even back then but I could lift her into and out of the sidecar.   This fun experiment was short lived because the next riding season she had weakened to the point that she could no longer hold her head up in the sidecar.  I sold the rig soon after.

What I hadn't anticipated is just how much I enjoyed driving a sidecar!  I caught on very quickly to the rig's idiosyncrasies and found myself having a blast with it.

I have looked everywhere, but have not been able to find a single picture of my wife in the hack, so this picture will have to do. 

(https://i.postimg.cc/65dPrh2D/Scan-20210607.png) (https://postimg.cc/ppLkxzBZ)

Thats pretty sharp!  I have only driven a sidcar rig once, and in that short ride it came to me pretty quick, and I really enjoyed it alot!  I think maybe in my case its from spending my youth running the wheels off of my old Honda ATC!  Still the odd left to right pulls when speeding up and slowing down, but the 3 wheel vibe sticks with you. One day I will get one.
Title: Re: Nice Guzzi rig
Post by: Dave Swanson on July 28, 2021, 08:38:34 AM
Urals are not in the performance league of that 1400 but they are super fun, and all Urals have reverse.  Having reverse is very easy to get used to!! 

I am having a blast with my 2012.  I haven't been on 2 wheels since I picked it up 4 weeks ago.


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Title: Re: Nice Guzzi rig
Post by: n3303j on July 28, 2021, 08:57:56 AM
Agreed.  It is beautiful.

 I would think that someone could engineer a computer controlled electric motor and brake in the hack wheel to compensate for the sidecar and make driving easier.
Already been done. My '96 Ural Sportsman has a true rear differential and is full time two wheel drive. It does not yaw with acceleration or deceleration.
Title: Re: Nice Guzzi rig
Post by: s1120 on July 28, 2021, 10:28:36 AM
Already been done. My '96 Ural Sportsman has a true rear differential and is full time two wheel drive. It does not yaw with acceleration or deceleration.

Interesting. Is that a new system, or a aftermarket upgrade? I thought they were all in or out on the 3rd wheel.
Title: Re: Nice Guzzi rig
Post by: bigbikerrick on July 28, 2021, 11:11:05 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/8NhDZ1V/thumbnail-63933840005-803-F3343-B7-DE-4636-A6-F0-62-F063031307.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8NhDZ1V)
Urals are not in the performance league of that 1400 but they are super fun, and all Urals have reverse.  Having reverse is very easy to get used to!! 

I am having a blast with my 2012.  I haven't been on 2 wheels since I picked it up 4 weeks ago.


(https://i.postimg.cc/SQvPdgM2/thumbnail-IMG-9090.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/V5X4LB4m)
Hey Dave, I suspected that was you over on the Soviet Steeds forum! You have the same vintage of Ural as myself, a 2012. Like you,since I got it, its what gets ridden daily. What a blast! Your rigs looks great, very nicely farkled!
Rick.
Title: Re: Nice Guzzi rig
Post by: bigbikerrick on July 28, 2021, 11:23:49 AM
Interesting. Is that a new system, or a aftermarket upgrade? I thought they were all in or out on the 3rd wheel.

The older Urals came with a differential in the rear drive, the new ones dont. I think they should have kept that , at least as an option.this video shows one of the older units.
Rick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-zXCQ30_Kc
Title: Re: Nice Guzzi rig
Post by: Dave Swanson on July 28, 2021, 01:33:50 PM
The older Urals came with a differential in the rear drive, the new ones dont. I think they should have kept that , at least as an option.this video shows one of the older units.
Rick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-zXCQ30_Kc

That's cool.  Thanks for sharing.  Something about Urals that get under your skin.  Archaic, slow, and nowadays expensive, but they have something you either get or you don't. 
Title: Re: Nice Guzzi rig
Post by: n3303j on July 28, 2021, 02:00:42 PM
Interesting. Is that a new system, or a aftermarket upgrade? I thought they were all in or out on the 3rd wheel.
Stock on 1996 and some older models.
A bit more delicate than the locking rear axle, but less upper body workout on the pavement.
If you are in the slop the least tractable wheel spins while it's partner rests and you remain stuck.
If you fly the chair the pusher slows down and the sidecar wheel accelerates.
When the sidecar wheel lands, the speed differential puts a lot of strain on the differential and often damages it.
That's why it's placarded "Don't fly the chair."
But can't be beat for street touring.
Title: Re: Nice Guzzi rig
Post by: Rich A on July 28, 2021, 05:20:30 PM
This Jackal rig looks pretty nice, too; LLs even. Needs a little clean-up.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/344794124019095/?referral_code=undefined&referral_story_type=general

Rich A
Title: Re: Nice Guzzi rig
Post by: s1120 on July 29, 2021, 08:18:52 AM
Stock on 1996 and some older models.
A bit more delicate than the locking rear axle, but less upper body workout on the pavement.
If you are in the slop the least tractable wheel spins while it's partner rests and you remain stuck.
If you fly the chair the pusher slows down and the sidecar wheel accelerates.
When the sidecar wheel lands, the speed differential puts a lot of strain on the differential and often damages it.
That's why it's placarded "Don't fly the chair."
But can't be beat for street touring.

I didnt think about that..  Ya, not sure I would want it set up like that myself. The more you learn the better off you are!! 


Rich A,  Ohhh I really like that setup. Looks ike a lot of rig for the price.

The older I get, and the more my wants change with a motorcycle, the want of a rig is increasing..  Ive wanted one since the late 90's, but have yet to get one. I think that will need to change in the coming years.
Title: Re: Nice Guzzi rig
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on July 29, 2021, 09:11:20 AM
You really think the price is in line? thats $15k for the bike and 10K for the hack/setup?

I have no idea, just seemed a little spendy to me
Title: Re: Nice Guzzi rig
Post by: Dave Swanson on July 29, 2021, 09:28:20 AM
You really think the price is in line? thats $15k for the bike and 10K for the hack/setup?

I have no idea, just seemed a little spendy to me

It does seem a lot optimistic, although that Tomahawk sidecar starts out at $11.5.   

Today a 2015 California Touring trades for maybe 8k?  and that used Tomahawk SC probably lost at least 30% of it's new price.  I think the real world price is around 16 to 18K.  It is a nice unit. 
Title: Re: Nice Guzzi rig
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on August 01, 2021, 07:29:52 AM
It does seem a lot optimistic, although that Tomahawk sidecar starts out at $11.5.   

Today a 2015 California Touring trades for maybe 8k?  and that used Tomahawk SC probably lost at least 30% of it's new price.  I think the real world price is around 16 to 18K.  It is a nice unit.

I was thinking the same, seller should be happy to get $18k..  I dont think he is accounting for depreciation. I offered $16 and explained im at $7.5 each on the bike and the chair plus $1000 for install and setup of the rig. I think that's fair, will see if he agrees or shows up at my house with a pistol, deeply insulted  :boozing: :boxing:
Title: Re: Nice Guzzi rig
Post by: grebmrof on August 01, 2021, 08:00:18 PM
That is one big red head!  Beautiful!
Title: Re: Nice Guzzi rig
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on August 02, 2021, 05:04:39 AM
Well, he didnt show up at my house but he was deeply insulted  :boozing:
Title: Re: Nice Guzzi rig
Post by: s1120 on August 02, 2021, 07:08:09 AM
Well, he didnt show up at my house but he was deeply insulted  :boozing:

Im thinking he might be insulted a few more times on the way to selling that rig!  Its a great rig, but your playing to a small crew..  Sidecar nuts....who are into Guzzis..  Not a big group. I thought 16-18K was a good number myself.
Title: Re: Nice Guzzi rig
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on August 02, 2021, 07:26:15 AM
Im thinking he might be insulted a few more times on the way to selling that rig!  Its a great rig, but your playing to a small crew..  Sidecar nuts....who are into Guzzis..  Not a big group. I thought 16-18K was a good number myself.

I offered $16k and included the note: "I hope you dont feel insulted but I am basing this offer on $7.5k for the bike, $7.5k for the hack, and $1k for the setup & installation work"

He suggested I 'walk or get a pos ural'  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Nice Guzzi rig
Post by: guzzisteve on August 02, 2021, 07:59:33 AM
From DMC I'll bet set up was $3500-4K. If you want to go fast you better tuck that chair in closer. Thing is too wide and no front end on it means you can push front end slide through the corners going fast.
I like mine way better, can cruise at 80 and fly if need be.
Title: Re: Nice Guzzi rig
Post by: Dave Swanson on August 02, 2021, 08:54:53 AM
Urals may be a POS but they sure are fun. Maybe he has never ridden one. 

Mayor, I think you just might have submitted the best and most serious offer he receives on this.
Title: Re: Nice Guzzi rig
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on August 02, 2021, 09:00:04 AM
Urals may be a POS but they sure are fun. Maybe he has never ridden one. 

Mayor, I think you just might have submitted the best and most serious offer he receives on this.

I would buy it, but it was mostly a lark to see what he said. I will not be submitting a higher offer.

I do have cash in the bike fund, but I also have two I need to sell. Buying Canuk's Laverda would be a better use of those funds!
I need another bike like a hole in the head and I promised the wife I would settle down with 3 in the garage. She likes this one so much tho that she's the one who said 'just make an offer and see how it goes'
Title: Re: Nice Guzzi rig
Post by: Stretch on August 02, 2021, 04:31:52 PM
That's beautiful!   :drool:

                     -Stretch
Title: Re: Nice Guzzi rig
Post by: Canuck750 on August 02, 2021, 07:16:42 PM
I think the seller should take Mayorís offer, it maters not what the seller invested into the outfit, itís a depreciating asset and will only continue to depreciate in value. Nice bike and chair but itís not a rare classic.
Title: Re: Nice Guzzi rig
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on August 03, 2021, 05:28:24 AM
itís a depreciating asset and will only continue to depreciate in value. Nice bike and chair but itís not a rare classic.

This was my thinking! But I did not express this to him. He WILL NOT get $25,750 for it, not even close. And someone said above (Dave?) that my $16k offer is probably the best offer he will see...  I don't know if it's true but it was a legitimate offer and he should have taken it  :boxing:  ... bird in the hand ... and all that!