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Dragging sidestand on Norge
« on: September 06, 2021, 10:07:52 PM »
Any mods out there or remedies to keep the sidestand from dragging on a Norge? Other than the obvious of slowing down.

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Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2021, 10:30:41 PM »
Maybe time to slow down. I have a 2011. Have had quite "spirited rides" on the Talimena Scenic Drive and it's off shoots and all over NW and N central Ark. Have scuffed my boots and scraped the feelers but not the center stand or side stand.  Maybe try body shifting more into the turn which helps keep the bike more upright.
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Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2021, 10:53:40 PM »
Any mods out there or remedies to keep the sidestand from dragging on a Norge? Other than the obvious of slowing down.

Most likely your rear shock is set too soft or shot by now, barring that, it may be time to replace it with an after market one which are all infinitely superior to the stocker.

I went with a Wilbers on the rear shock, made a world of difference, along with heavier 15 wt oil in the front forks. 
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Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2021, 06:49:28 AM »
Most likely your rear shock is set too soft or shot by now, barring that, it may be time to replace it with an after market one which are all infinitely superior to the stocker.

I went with a Wilbers on the rear shock, made a world of difference, along with heavier 15 wt oil in the front forks.

What Paul says.. the sidestand is ridiculously easy to drag on the stock Norge.
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Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
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Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2021, 07:41:45 AM »
I did not know if anyone has used the euro side sand, it seems to be made different.

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Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2021, 09:13:27 AM »
What year Norge?
I think the early ones had a very soft spring in the rear which was stiffened up afterward.

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Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2021, 09:23:00 AM »
I'd drag the stock stand on my 14 Norge all the time.  You need a better shock.
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Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2021, 09:44:43 AM »
My Norge is a 2012

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Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2021, 11:40:17 AM »
All the more reason to replace the rear shock.  It's toast.
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Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2021, 01:38:14 PM »
After messing with and setting the suspension on my 08 I do get way less scraping now and better handling. Honestly I got rid of the tip over feeling getting into turns and slow speed stuff too. When really getting after it, I still hit the centerstand on lefties and my toe if I don’t move my foot back on righties.

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Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2021, 08:05:42 PM »
I can't feel any issues with the shock when riding. Since I don't notice issues with the shock any other time I don't feel it's worth the cost of an aftermarket shock on the old goose at this point. It just hard to imagine the engineer who designed the side stand thinking "that's perfect, let's put a hard part below the level of the folding foot peg". Guess I could put the feelers back on and try to ride it like a Harley. Or at least like our local Harleys do.

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Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2021, 09:12:11 PM »
2008 Norge with Matris suspension upgrades F/R here. I can scrape 'em if I want to but don't HAVE to. YMMV as I have the European sidestand
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Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2021, 09:42:31 PM »
It's a mistake to think a 2012 manufactured shock absorber is operating at anything like it's designed specs.
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Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2021, 10:18:02 PM »
I know my shock is not anything like it was new. But $500-1000 for a shock, just too much..

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Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2021, 03:42:05 AM »
One option would to be to call Hamlin Cycles and see if they have a late model take-off for sale.  It'll have a better spring rate than yours and may, say again, may be an improvement.  Jim knows the Norge inside and out and does a lot of shock work.
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Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2021, 06:52:01 AM »
How are you dragging your sidestand? My center stand hits waaay before the sidestand possibly could?
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Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2021, 07:31:50 AM »
Sidestand drags in left-hand corners, mainly because it sits under the left footpeg. That's why I was wondering if there are any mods that can be done to the side stand or if the euro model sets in a different position, I know the euro model is straight as opposed to the crooked US model.

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Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2021, 08:37:19 AM »
On my '14 Norge I would drag both side and center.  The center was easy as I rarely use it - I just removed it.  The side stand had that funky bend and it was getting progressively worse making the bike lean further.  I also wanted a bigger foot on the stand so I cut it, reformed it more like the euro stand coming down straighter, and welding a larger foot on the end.  I have not dragged since, but in fairness I did also put a Nitron shock on the rear.(by the way it is for sale on the swap meet section).
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Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2021, 09:13:38 AM »
Do you by chance have a photo of your stand?

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Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2021, 11:41:21 AM »
All the talk about how my shock needs replaced actually had me looking at prices. Then it dawned on me as I hopped on my bike to head to work. The best shock in the world is not going to fix the elephant in the room, the fact that the side stand pad sits directly below the outer edge of the foot peg.

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Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2021, 12:00:12 PM »
All the talk about how my shock needs replaced actually had me looking at prices. Then it dawned on me as I hopped on my bike to head to work. The best shock in the world is not going to fix the elephant in the room, the fact that the side stand pad sits directly below the outer edge of the foot peg.

Not true...unless your side stand is bent unnaturally.  Now some of us have cut the side stand a bit at an angle to make it sit up a tad higher...that does help too...but the shock is the main culprit on dragging.
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Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2021, 01:48:24 PM »
100% correct.  His bike is squatting too much in the rear.  The OEM shock did that when new.  Now it's how old?  A better shock with proper spring rate will go a long way to correcting the issue.
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Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2021, 02:13:13 PM »
...unless your (Norge) side stand is bent unnaturally. 

All Norge side stands are bent unnaturally  :evil: :evil:

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Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2021, 03:08:00 PM »
100% correct.  His bike is squatting too much in the rear.  The OEM shock did that when new.  Now it's how old?  A better shock with proper spring rate will go a long way to correcting the issue.

Or he could look into proper setup (say, here: https://www.cycleworld.com/sport-rider/suspension-setup-guide/, and then shop for a higher rate spring if needed. (Has the rear sag been checked?) The shock internals do not determine whether the bike drags: it's the spring, the setup, and the shock length. If the OP feels the shock itself is damping properly, he may not want to replace it. We don't all have to be racers.

Has anyone looked carefully at the Parts Manual for the Norge? The Euro stand mounts to a different plate (and needs a different bolt). See https://www.thisoldtractor.com/mg_manuals/spare_parts_catalog_norge_2006.pdf, page 16. It looks like the Euro plate has a higher pivot.

Has anyone looked at photos from a European review of the the European Norge, to see if the stand protrudes less? Here's a photo from Motociclismo. Does it help answer the question?



Just recommending a new shock is not in the Guzzi spirit of miserliness thriftiness, seems to me.  :laugh:

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Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2021, 03:12:41 PM »
All Norge side stands are bent unnaturally  :evil: :evil:

Now that's funny!   :thumb: :thumb:
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Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2021, 04:52:53 PM »
I was trying to keep it simple.  Of course there are other concerns.  The as delivered OEM shocks on early Norge bikes was questionable at best, both in spring rate and internal performance.  The nitty gritty is available in the RaceTech book, among other places.  The guy's bike is grinding-that points to a problem.  Start by cranking it up and adjust the damping to most likely max.  But, I'll bet dollars to doughnuts it won't matter much-especially with a load.  The idea that a 2012 shock has anything resembling life left inside of it (no contamination, metallic partials just to name two) is not a conclusion I'd make.  Ever.
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Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2021, 05:57:07 PM »
Do you by chance have a photo of your stand?

These are the best I could come up with as the bike is now owned by Luis in KY.  I don't know if he ever joined the site.  I told him it would be a good idea as there is a wealth of information available.






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Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2021, 07:55:55 PM »
...  The idea that a 2012 shock has anything resembling life left inside of it (no contamination, metallic partials just to name two) is not a conclusion I'd make.  Ever.

That doesn't make it so!  :evil:
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Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2021, 08:07:06 PM »
I'll defer to your knowledge.  No offense intended or should be inferred by this.
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Re: Dragging sidestand on Norge
« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2021, 09:44:19 PM »
I'll defer to your knowledge.  No offense intended or should be inferred by this.

Dear King,

That's a very classy and temperate response. Thanks very much.

However, I don't really want deference, nor feel I deserve any!

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