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I was just notified that my dealer Top Gear Power Sports is getting in a couple of new V100's and they want to unveil them to us guzzi guys. They had mentioned a private unveiling but changed their mind. So mark your calendars for April 1st......... see flierHope to see some of you there ...........
The HD Pan America currently has 150hp(and hydraulic lifters) and the soon to be released BMW GS1300 is supposed to be in the 150hp range. By the time MG comes out with the new Stelvio(who knows when that will be) the hp has to at least be close to those numbers or the press will note in large flashing lights how it is underpowered compared to the competition. ‘We love the bike, just wish it had more power’ and yes the V7’s are fine in the current hp dress but I’ve met more than a few young guys who loved the bike but couldn’t keep up with their friends and moved on to more powerful bikes. In terms of cost, the Aprilia Tuono V4 1100 has 175hp, weighs 460lbs and cost $16,199 in the USA which is $1,000+ less than the V100 Mandello and it’s supposed to be a sports tourer. Obviously Piaggio has the capability of meeting that hp challenge, they should use it for the Stelvio because that is where their competition is headed.
How tall is Darren?
The best v100 review I have found ' lots of info and operation data here. looks promisinghttps://www.saferiders.it/2023-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-review/
Well, time will tell regarding the new Stelvio. BUT, the 1250 GS has 136hp and that seemed to be all fine until the Pan America was released with 150hp and that bike has shown to be a good seller for HD. And the soon to be released 1300 BMW GS will have 150+ hp. Obviously they looked at the competition and decided they needed to meet that challenge for a bike that sells 60,000 units per year. Whether we like it or not, releasing a bike in that category with the same weight and 40hp less than the competition is not going to sell that well. And no, they are not going to overtake HD or BMW in that class or any class for that matter but if they can take 5-10%+ from that Adventure bike market it would be a wild success for MG. I don’t see a marketing success with, “Yeah, you don’t need that extra Horse Power” All I’m saying is that the Stelvio has to come close to those numbers. They already have a mid-sized bike in the V85 which seems to be a good seller for the company and I don’t see them adding another bike in that class.In terms of insurance, I can’t imagine the GS will get a big bump in cost going from a 1250cc engine to a 1300cc engine. If Guzzi goes from an 1100cc engine to a 1250cc engine there will be an increase but will it be a substantially large increase? And will that matter to a generally older rider? If that rider is going from a 74 Eldorado to a new Stelvio, yes that insurance increase will be substantially more but that is not who is going to be buying a new Stelvio.
I will further add that MG will steal a few sales when the new bike is ridden. Those other bikes are good bikes, but nothing else feels like an MG to ride. The modern design and features will get people into the dealerships, then there will be a few that decide they don't really need all that extra horsepower once they ride the MG. One measure of how well MG is doing so far is the number of new dealers taking on the brand. Definitely growing.
have you ridden a Mandello? The bike tips to the left when goosed, the opposite way from a "real' Guzzi.
So what happened to all the predictions that there’d be no torque reaction because some of the components were spun the opposite way to the crank ?Traditional Guzzi’s spin the clutch at engine speed, is the clutch on the V100 geared to spin slower than crank rpm ?
Low: I hope to ride one soon. Cadre has their demo in, just waiting for the weather to improve. Twist clockwise or twist counterclockwise, would it really feel much different after a few hundred miles? It is good that the improving fortunes of the brand are gradual, otherwise, the factory could not keep up and quality would probably suffer if they tried. Going from 12,000 per year to 14,000 per year would be manageable, but going to 20,000 per year would probably really test them unless another facility was used.
I'm very interested at purchasing a new Mandello. I have owned many Guzzis in the past. I was wondering if anybody who has recently purchased a Mandello has had any problems with oil leaks ? I really want to like this bike but oil leaks still haunt my memories of my 78 LM1, my 2004 V11 Sport. Do you think I should wait a year for any kinks to be worked out?
huzo: I was responding to low ryter.
Another analogy that does not favor those very high hp numbers is insurance. Most of us are of an age to remember when the expense and sometimes inability to get insurance for muscle cars nearly doomed that segment. Also look at who it is that can afford these bikes now. When I was 22 in my first post-college job making $200 a week, I could afford a pretty fast Japanese 4 cylinder and still meet my obligations. How many young people making $20 an hour can afford to squeeze in a $400 per month payment for a motorcycle, which if it is not your sole means of transportation is essentially a luxury? Those kids are supporting the newly resurrected 300cc class. So, the market for these high horsepower bikes is basically the same market it has been for years, older guys with disposable income. So, say you are 64 years old, a seasoned rider but one whose reflexes are not comparable to a 30 year old and who over the course of a long riding career have learned a little caution, why would you want that horsepower especially if you only have the skills to use it in a straight line. A popular power tourer has been the FJR by Yamaha. Most of my friends sold theirs off when they realized the only time they could use that power was straight line. So, thanks for staying with me through this early morning ramble.My actual opinion is that less ultimate hp that is accessible and controllable is much more useful than high hp that is finicky to access and not much use on anything but a straight road.