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« Reply #61 on: June 21, 2021, 05:06:46 PM »
Doesn't it seem like narcissism that in the vast universe (that we still have no idea just where it ends, if ever)
That we are the most, and only intelligent life form?
And IF they know anything about us, could you blame them for avoiding us?
We have been killing our own since.....forever.
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« Reply #62 on: June 25, 2021, 07:20:59 PM »
It looks like the Govt report is out and is clear as mud.  And then it's buried in the news with horror in Miami and political BS.   

And best to anyone in Miami.

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If they use this for more defense spending rather that just opening the files....well. ...
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« Reply #63 on: June 25, 2021, 08:00:23 PM »
The only snippet of consequence mentioned on the network news was that the US Military does not believe that enemy nations like Russia or China are behind these objects or general situation.  That seems to be reasonably significant.

But, to fully argue the issue, suppose that any country did have the capacity to do such things.... or actual crashed spaceship or alien bodies or an understanding of their technology..?  How could you admit it without painting a huge bullseye on it for competing or even partnering nations like NATO members?  It would be the ultimate prize.  So admitting it is in hand or truly legitimate simply isn't practical.

I did watch the rerun of the Unsolved Mysteries episode the other day that had the segment of the Roswell incident.  It was very cool to see Randle, Mrs. Proctor, Bill Brazell, Jesse Marcell (video) and his son amd others in the flesh after reading the book several times plus time spent in Roswell.

I'm still looking forward to the actual truth.  But if it's something like time travel, which I think is at least as feasible as alien life, it may not be anything I could comprehend at this time.
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« Reply #64 on: June 25, 2021, 08:09:05 PM »
Cliff, if any nation had advanced alien technology, they would be leading the world in tech and not just shivaree-ing Navy pilots.   
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« Reply #66 on: June 25, 2021, 08:53:28 PM »
The whole point of winning the race, especially if you've got the "secret technology" (aka cheating, illegal equipment, vastly superior talent, etc), is to win by just enough that you clearly win but not by enough that the losers go the the race officials demanding a tear-down inspection to challenge your win.  Anyone who had vastly superior technology would risk a lot by revealing too much too quickly.

Sometimes, it's different.  we watched some very smug NASCAR brake specialist $$$$ dude from Charlotte handily beat everyone with no shame at a local dirt track race night about 10 yrs ago.  He had a whole trailer full of bikes with him.  Dave Aldana was there- alone with two bikes, winning by just enough and being very gracious.  What a nice guy, a real treat to meet him.  In the final, they both took off and left the rest of the field..  Then Dave lapped him at least 3 times, just to prove how good he was and how good the dude wasn't.  Man, was he flying. It was like all of a sudden, we were at a different track.  To say Dave won the night is an understatement. 

Maybe a govt/military can be that superior at will.  If so, I hope it's us and not them.
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« Reply #67 on: June 26, 2021, 11:36:21 AM »
Cliff, if a nation had this type of tech, someone, if not the entire nation would have magnitudes better economy and standards of living-  not to mention power.
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« Reply #68 on: June 26, 2021, 12:19:56 PM »
I understand that very well.  Possessing aspects or elements of a given technology, such as the wreckage from Roswell, doesn't mean one knows how to use it properly.   I use old tools like compasses/calipers- very basic tools- in my work. What can be accurately done with them is elegantly simple but amazingly powerful in many ways.  Almost no one in the sculpture community, professional or otherwise, actually knows how to use them properly or accurately.  Lots of people have these compasses. lots of people sell them.  When a rare class pops up, the proper method of using them is touted as a lost art.  It's not lost to me or my Masters, just to the other approx 330M+ people in the USA.  So the rest fumble around with such things. They only way they employ the basic technology en masse is via computer, but they still have no comprehension of what is being done beyond input and output.  Without the expertise in the middle, they're fools.

Based upon the premise that a significant amount of the unidentifed phenomena are real, whoever is using such advanced technology- terrestrial or otherwise- has discretion and self-control that goes beyond the regular scope of human greed and fallibility.  That's the part that makes me doubt that some select group of contemporary humans on earth are doing these things.  Such people would be the truly extraordinary phenomenon, probably even harder to believe than actual ET or time/dimensional travelling humans from the future.

We know time exists.  It is there.  There is no need to speculate or argue about whether it is "out there" or not.  We don't know how it works or even what composes it.    I don't know what the answer is.  It just seems less irrational to consider time travel within a finite or specific locale in the Universe than suggest than some manner of being from far, far away (actual light years vs time dimension) is doing it all.
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« Reply #69 on: June 26, 2021, 02:02:56 PM »
Cliff, agree with what you're saying.   But I'll restate my point.  Any society employing that tech displayed here with real solid objects, will have standards of living much higher than any country on this earth. 

I've left the possibility open that if might be holograms or generated apparitions but if it's actual moving objects, even drones, it's above our understanding. 
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« Reply #70 on: June 26, 2021, 02:16:05 PM »
When the movie Men In Black came out. All I could think that they got it right! Its the only logical explanation!  :evil:

Many of our leaders, aliens hiding in plain sight. Also explains how they stick around so long!
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« Reply #71 on: June 26, 2021, 03:52:09 PM »
Still could be an advanced civilization that is only showing us what they want us to see or think we can comprehend.  Like playing with your cat using a laser pointer.  The human knows it is projected light, for the cat it is whatever the cat can imagine.
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« Reply #72 on: June 26, 2021, 03:54:14 PM »


This makes a lot of sense to me.  If "the advanced civilization" does not want us to observe or comprehend what they are up to (assuming we humans are capable of either), Shirley they could produce any presentation they desire that fits their needs.
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« Reply #73 on: June 26, 2021, 03:57:35 PM »
Still could be an advanced civilization that is only showing us what they want us to see or think we can comprehend.  Like playing with your cat using a laser pointer.  The human knows it is projected light, for the cat it is whatever the cat can imagine.
This is what I believe also.
And think about it, if they are intelligent enough to come here, they know our history. Violent.
You can bet, as soon as they land, we would attack them.
Maybe they are just waiting for us to kill each other.
If they are smart enough to get here, they probably could wipe us out.

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« Reply #74 on: June 26, 2021, 04:48:21 PM »
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« Reply #75 on: June 26, 2021, 05:29:59 PM »
This is what I believe also.
And think about it, if they are intelligent enough to come here, they know our history. Violent.
You can bet, as soon as they land, we would attack them.
Maybe they are just waiting for us to kill each other.
If they are smart enough to get here, they probably could wipe us out.

they would probably also know that preferring Brand X human or nation to Brand Y would only be a very temporary alliance.

My guess is that if they wanted to interact with us, they would present themselves as one or more of our popular deities.

That way they could manage us more effectively.

I'm not sure how I am perceived by a grub, but no doubt my lifespan and travel speeds are beyond their comprehension.

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« Reply #76 on: June 26, 2021, 05:40:05 PM »
they would probably also know that preferring Brand X human or nation to Brand Y would only be a very temporary alliance.

My guess is that if they wanted to interact with us, they would present themselves as one or more of our popular deities.

That way they could manage us more effectively.

I'm not sure how I am perceived by a grub, but not doubt my lifespan and travel speeds are beyond their comprehension.
And maybe they will do to us, as what was done to the American Indians.
Come at us with superior weapons, take away our food supply, the best land, give us viruses (COVID?)
And wipe almost all of us out, except those needed for slaves.
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« Reply #77 on: June 26, 2021, 06:50:21 PM »
And maybe they will do to us, as what was done to the American Indians.
Come at us with superior weapons, take away our food supply, the best land, give us viruses (COVID?)
And wipe almost all of us out, except those needed for slaves.
Am I getting my self in trouble? 🙄

Not in trouble with me.  One of the things I liked about the movie Contact was it showed the variety of ways humans might react to contact with a ET intelligence.
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« Reply #78 on: June 26, 2021, 06:53:04 PM »
Are you suggesting grubs are managing the mothership ?

No I am suggesting that perhaps, human perception of the aliens may be analogous to grub's perceptions of humans.

We are pretty used to thinking of ourselves as top of the food chain and the smartest animals in existence.  Kinda like being prom king in a small town.  We might just be the kings of Earth and the grubs of the universe.
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« Reply #79 on: June 26, 2021, 07:18:31 PM »
You're doing better than I did with my own abduction.

My aliens would only commit to morning or afternoon. No specific time. Just like the cable guy!   :thumb:
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« Reply #81 on: June 27, 2021, 08:17:19 AM »
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« Reply #83 on: July 02, 2021, 10:28:34 AM »
Show me a body if its aliens. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.

And as for the Ancient Aliens stuff -  :popcorn: :popcorn: That is some crazy stuff. There's a great book by the archeologist Ken Feder that covers a fair bit of it - the Pyramids, Nazca, etc etc....
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« Reply #84 on: July 02, 2021, 10:52:16 AM »
And maybe they will do to us, as what was done to the American Indians.
Come at us with superior weapons, take away our food supply, the best land, give us viruses (COVID?)
And wipe almost all of us out, except those needed for slaves.
Am I getting my self in trouble? 🙄
No but a note of caution is in order regarding this subject matter 👍

Thanks
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« Reply #85 on: July 02, 2021, 11:05:41 AM »
I have a friend w/whom I MX raced wayyy back in the early 1970's. He went on to get his degree & a Government job as an inspector of bridges & other structures all along the Atlantic coast. He is a "water person" spending most of his working life in boats, on jet-skis, etc. etc. He has told me of numerous hair-raising experiences seeing "UUOs" (Unidentified Underwater Objects). "Somethings" traveling just under the surface at speeds that shouldn't be possible w/out creating MUCH more disturbance on the surface, making turns etc. that "normal"  physics don't allow for.  I personally have seen 1 "UFO" At a Guzzi rally at Sherando Lake Park years ago. The group camping area was surrounded by forested mountains allowing a limited area of open sky above.  Wee hours of the night, driven out of my tent under extreme bladder pressure, I headed across the open campground for the men's room. Suddenly the night was lit up a bright green. A glowing green spherical "object" crossed the sky, taking about 2 seconds, slowing slightly, making a "zig" to change direction slightly, then speeding up out of sight. Absolutely no sound. A meteoroid? possibly...I'll never know for sure. 
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« Reply #86 on: July 03, 2021, 09:24:21 AM »
I have a friend w/whom I MX raced wayyy back in the early 1970's. He went on to get his degree & a Government job as an inspector of bridges & other structures all along the Atlantic coast. He is a "water person" spending most of his working life in boats, on jet-skis, etc. etc. He has told me of numerous hair-raising experiences seeing "UUOs" (Unidentified Underwater Objects). "Somethings" traveling just under the surface at speeds that shouldn't be possible w/out creating MUCH more disturbance on the surface, making turns etc. that "normal"  physics don't allow for.  I personally have seen 1 "UFO" At a Guzzi rally at Sherando Lake Park years ago. The group camping area was surrounded by forested mountains allowing a limited area of open sky above.  Wee hours of the night, driven out of my tent under extreme bladder pressure, I headed across the open campground for the men's room. Suddenly the night was lit up a bright green. A glowing green spherical "object" crossed the sky, taking about 2 seconds, slowing slightly, making a "zig" to change direction slightly, then speeding up out of sight. Absolutely no sound. A meteoroid? possibly...I'll never know for sure.

Thanks for posting Ron!  I have read similar tales.  Large objects moving at 500+ knots under the water!!!!

It is amazing that if one does not try to silence/censor other people's opinions with ridicule, that the variety of experiences some are willing to share is mind blowing (and possibly mind expanding).  Who knows if UFO, UUO, aliens, Bigfoot, etc. sightings are 10, 100, or 500 times more frequent than they are reported.

The only time I am (relatively) sure of is that reality is stranger and more  wondrous than most of us have experienced.  I enjoy the sense of wonder, awe, and imagination, more than I do the sense of being a know-it-all.
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« Reply #87 on: July 03, 2021, 09:31:03 AM »
 Pliny the Elder wrote entire books with paintings of fantastic creatures based on tales told by sailors who had ventured around the known world . People actually believed these creatures existed , one story even told of an island inhabited by beings that slightly resembled Gumby . Of course at least half of the stories were complete nonsense .
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« Reply #88 on: July 03, 2021, 09:47:05 AM »
The DOD Report more or less confirms what we already knew but provides little else:  there are "objects" in the sky and in the sea that move with such speed that they defy the laws of physics and propulsion known the man.

Unfortunately the report is restricted to sightings from military pilots in the last decade or so.  Nothing about the 70 years of sightings, legacy and FAA reports.   

One mass sighting that has been largely forgotten occurred in the Stephenville TX in 2008.  This was a mass citing, the object was huge, there were F-16 and AWACS aircraft in the area, the govt denied and later retracted that govt aircraft were in the space, the FAA caught this on radar and as result changed their FOIA request to restrict future disclosures, and attempts to photograph or video this appears to have been jammed.

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https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18375952

https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4142232&page=1

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« Reply #89 on: July 03, 2021, 10:04:32 AM »
 Reading the report in Pop Mechs is interesting , and points to some reality . The few actual pictures show a dot of light , nothing more . Yet people's imaginations turn it into detailed descriptions of a flying object . Two neighbors from years ago described a sighting over the Piney Woods in a rural part of East Texas . One guy gave a detailed account of a vehicle in the sky , the other stated simply "oh nonsense , we say a small light in the sky" .
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