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Title: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on September 10, 2021, 05:15:32 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/cvyHPQv/241668139-10157824150937504-4917994784624803784-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6Zyx2FZ)

(https://i.ibb.co/S53QzLW/241650137-10157824151152504-4211283116952514361-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k5S3tdk)

(https://i.ibb.co/Bw01MyL/241344519-10157824151077504-6503224421288540862-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/V3fK4gV)

(https://scontent.ffco2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/241665636_10157824150967504_993019469515687868_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=MtSITvb4EHEAX80onbE&_nc_ht=scontent.ffco2-1.fna&oh=88499cdf5e9ba673c9e20e1f7914fe84&oe=61601128)

More pictures in red.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CTovvZaAFRV/
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on September 10, 2021, 05:34:25 AM
Now on the Moto Guzzi official site.

https://www.motoguzzi.com/it_IT/v100-mandello/?fbclid=IwAR2m5IxoTeutNoD788jK54J2c_DzRxz3pvWqitUh-H7ZcICF9kqvIXucCz4
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dimitri_Harkov on September 10, 2021, 05:41:41 AM
Still not my type of bike at all, but looks much better than I first feared from the 'spy pics'.

Cheers,
D.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Beowulf on September 10, 2021, 05:42:21 AM
I saw this and think itís pretty neat as well. The video is cracking me up but I think this going to be an amazing bike and a tremendous seller for Guzzi( at least I hope) thanks for posting the pictures.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 10, 2021, 05:43:00 AM
dang I thought I was going to be first lol!

oh well, still not sold on the syling, but nice to see this alternate colorway instead of the SLOW RED color  :whip2:

(https://i.imgur.com/G505R3l.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/UYvNQyA.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/jNp3PLd.jpg)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dimitri_Harkov on September 10, 2021, 05:44:36 AM
Official stuff: https://www.motoguzzi.com/it_IT/v100-mandello/

It certainly sounds Guzzi, that's for sure  :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: chuck peterson on September 10, 2021, 05:44:47 AM
Great video shot on the guzzi link of the Italian eagle landing on the hand of a seated rider ..

Where have I seen this motorcycle shape before?


(https://i.ibb.co/XJ88GKK/E942568-C-7-CE2-4-BB5-97-C0-91-D1-E14-EFD6-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XJ88GKK)



(https://i.ibb.co/QNBRRqp/F6428-E7-A-47-B6-410-B-812-B-7-A79182-F99-BB.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QNBRRqp)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 10, 2021, 05:52:24 AM
Have it washed and brought to my tent.
I just want one...
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 10, 2021, 05:53:30 AM
The video is cracking me up
Why...? :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 10, 2021, 05:55:19 AM
Great video shot on the guzzi link of the Italian eagle landing on the hand of a seated rider ..

Where have I seen this motorcycle shape before?


(https://i.ibb.co/XJ88GKK/E942568-C-7-CE2-4-BB5-97-C0-91-D1-E14-EFD6-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XJ88GKK)



(https://i.ibb.co/QNBRRqp/F6428-E7-A-47-B6-410-B-812-B-7-A79182-F99-BB.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QNBRRqp)

Jeez, youíre right.
They both have a wheel on each end, itís uncanny..
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: chuck peterson on September 10, 2021, 06:01:01 AM
LOL
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on September 10, 2021, 06:03:48 AM
Honestly, I think itís a pretty good looking bike. With a set of integrated bags, it looks like a winner to me.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bpreynolds2 on September 10, 2021, 06:04:36 AM
 :shocked:
Wtf.
Itís all subjective but thatís the ugliest, blandest thing Iíve seen come out of the Factory sinceÖwell honestly, I dunno.  Are they taking their cues from a 2005 FZ6?  Iím genuinely baffled.  Uh.  Hope it looks better in person?  :boozing: :undecided:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dimitri_Harkov on September 10, 2021, 06:09:08 AM
Well I'd say it's on par with some of their ugliest contraptions ;)

Anyway - the engine looks nice, and might fit into a new classic line well with some appropriate valve covers.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 10, 2021, 06:12:30 AM
   Hope it looks better in person?  :boozing: :undecided:
Funny mate.
Your comments suggest youíre adamant, but your emoji says youíre undecided..
Fair dinkum, some of you blokes would whinge if your arse was eating ice cream, itís very, very, nice.
BTW.
What do you ride and for someone whoís baffled, youíre making a lot of noise..
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 10, 2021, 06:12:52 AM
I do love that they retained fins on the jugs... couldnt see that before. Also liking the look of the 'new carc' now that I can see more detail. Cool wheels.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dirk_S on September 10, 2021, 06:17:54 AM
Iím trying not to be biased, but add this to one of the 10% of sport-style bikes that actually attract me. Simple, sleek lines, and something about that fairing is just jazz. Hereís hoping it passes the wind tunnel test :D
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on September 10, 2021, 06:19:49 AM
I do love that they retained fins on the jugs... couldnt see that before. Also liking the look of the 'new carc' now that I can see more detail. Cool wheels.

And I think they did a great job in minimizing the radiator, also looks like a shorter wheelbase. I bet itís fun to ride.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Beowulf on September 10, 2021, 06:21:45 AM
Why...? :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
. Mostly the idea this bike is taking flight like an Eagle I think is a neat concept. I do feel the video is over the top in a good way. Just when the bike takes off visually it looks like the rider is missing the turn. Maybe itís just me.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Amstaff on September 10, 2021, 06:34:58 AM
Thatís enough to get me thinking about a new bike purchase. Beautiful metallic red and styling. Not sure if the water cooling is a turnoff, and if the cylinders should look modern and smooth. The engine form conveys the heritage without the fins.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: elvisboy77 on September 10, 2021, 06:38:00 AM
https://youtu.be/9vgM1pjO0gQ
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on September 10, 2021, 06:42:07 AM
I'm excited about this.  It looks pretty sporty, but look at the height of the handlebars, they know their audience.  Nothing about price yet, but I imagine you will need at least $13,000 to $15,000 to park it in your garage, then come the bags and other accessories.  The BMW 1250RS is the closest looking beemer to it and they are more like $20,000.00. So, just as the V85 series is a relative bargain for what you get, I hope they keep this machine priced right too.  This machine may actually have a shot of some conquest sales if it gets the press reception that the v85tt got and of course, if they can deliver the bikes.  Always a question with MG.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 10, 2021, 06:46:25 AM
Itís an opinion, Huzo.  Deal with it.  :grin:
I thought I did.
If they were in the stores, Iíd have one tomorrow....(in red).
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bettythebear on September 10, 2021, 06:46:56 AM
I think the gold rims, and the subtle swoop of that swingarm look fantastic. In the video it also looks like it has active air intake panels of some sort. Pretty fancy.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dave Swanson on September 10, 2021, 07:13:25 AM
Wow!  That looks great!  I can see one in my garage already!!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 10, 2021, 07:18:56 AM
Wow!  That looks great!  I can see one in my garage already!!
Wannaí make some room ?...
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on September 10, 2021, 07:20:49 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/vQt2cLs/A70-C703-A-1-BF3-4-B6-A-9-E6-D-017-A88852734.jpg)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on September 10, 2021, 07:32:53 AM
I'm excited about this.  It looks pretty sporty, but look at the height of the handlebars, they know their audience.  Nothing about price yet, but I imagine you will need at least $13,000 to $15,000 to park it in your garage, then come the bags and other accessories.  The BMW 1250RS is the closest looking beemer to it and they are more like $20,000.00. So, just as the V85 series is a relative bargain for what you get, I hope they keep this machine priced right too.  This machine may actually have a shot of some conquest sales if it gets the press reception that the v85tt got and of course, if they can deliver the bikes.  Always a question with MG.

It will be closer to $20K than 13-15... Glad it's not a cruiser. Not exactly stunningly beautiful but I like it - I'll bet it has a nice personality. :grin: Certainly is modern and a good way to kick off the next 100 years.
Do we know displacement? I'll bet 1200-1400cc
And why is the driveshaft on the left?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 10, 2021, 07:39:35 AM

Do we know displacement? I'll bet 1200-1400cc
And why is the driveshaft on the left?
I thought it was a foregone conclusion that it was 1000 cc.....(hope it is).
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bettythebear on September 10, 2021, 07:45:40 AM
I thought it was a foregone conclusion that it was 1000 cc.....(hope it is).

Yeah, it should be 1000 so that in a couple years they'll come out with the "v100 1200" to go with the v7 850. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on September 10, 2021, 07:47:37 AM
Lovely!! Canít wait to see one and ride it!


(https://i.ibb.co/23FWrBx/55-B3-B61-B-0196-4-DCA-96-C4-77-C5-CE9-CA595.png) (https://ibb.co/23FWrBx)

(https://i.ibb.co/kKTSPBc/288-BAF65-964-F-4-C09-A7-C8-216-E9-FA50023.png) (https://ibb.co/kKTSPBc)

in flanders fields lyrics (https://poetandpoem.com/John-McCrae/In-Flanders-Field)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: hauto on September 10, 2021, 07:52:46 AM
I do like it ,but grown to like the black motor and drive line. I'm sure that they wanted the new motor to pop. It does have classic motorcycle lines. In the video you can see that the clutch is accessible from the rear of the motor. It is a good looking bike,but is sport touring bikes in demand these days? If they were Honda I would expect a new stelvio next year with this motor. Who knows,maybe a big surprise in November.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on September 10, 2021, 07:53:59 AM
I thought it was a foregone conclusion that it was 1000 cc.....(hope it is).

Ahh, yes. 1000cc should make well over 100 HP with water cooling. Happy to see they kept the fins!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: siabeid on September 10, 2021, 07:55:21 AM
I like it a lot. The green one will go nicely with my green v7 sport and green z900rs cafe. I wish that all of these manufacturers would put front fenders on that would protect the front of the engine. Especially ones with radiators.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on September 10, 2021, 07:59:22 AM
Yeah, it should be 1000 so that in a couple years they'll come out with the "v100 1200" to go with the v7 850.

 :laugh:  :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: krglorioso on September 10, 2021, 08:18:00 AM
I kinda, maybe, sorta, almost think I like it.    A "FendaExtenda" may be available to protect the radiator, etc, from road grime, stones, etc.  Still can't quite get comfortable with the pipes exiting the sides of the heads.  Overall, credit to Mandello for a very nice design and very updated features.  I doubt it will replace my Breva 750, but it certainly has my attention.
Ralph
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jrt on September 10, 2021, 08:24:16 AM
 :thumb: 
I like it.  Interesting that they took a page from BMW (maybe?) and redirected the intake/exhaust.  Maybe from Motus, I don't know...
But that final drive...it's on the WRONG SIDE.  How will we ever be able to make right handers now?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dave Swanson on September 10, 2021, 08:31:24 AM
Wannaí make some room ?...

I think it has come to that.  Got that dinghy ready?   :wink:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: vintage53 on September 10, 2021, 08:34:57 AM

Time to make room in my garage!   :bike-037:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on September 10, 2021, 08:38:20 AM
More pictures.

https://www.moto.it/news/nuova-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-le-foto-definitive.html
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: fotoguzzi on September 10, 2021, 08:52:45 AM
Yawn, looks like a Motus
(https://i.ibb.co/XbSsj2b/51510-F57-D63-E-4080-98-E1-7745672-A8193.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XbSsj2b)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: gsf12man on September 10, 2021, 08:55:48 AM
Like! :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LongRanger on September 10, 2021, 08:58:22 AM
I like it.

My first thought after noticing the diagonal slots beneath the seat was ď1982 Katana!Ē
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on September 10, 2021, 09:01:58 AM
Yawn, looks like a Motus
(https://i.ibb.co/XbSsj2b/51510-F57-D63-E-4080-98-E1-7745672-A8193.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XbSsj2b)


Is it going to cost as much? Not sure about the fake cooling fins the green and silver looks better than the red IMO, the red hides whats going on in the body work. Few Benelli TNT/Tre vibes, the proof will be in the riding and how the motor is tuned. Although pricing I assuming well over what the top of the range V85TT goes for, that's going to put it into some fairly stiff competition from some fairly capable machines.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: mojohand on September 10, 2021, 09:02:07 AM
I don't see the pictures with the bags...for, sure, as a sport tourer, it has bags, right? Right?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on September 10, 2021, 09:10:26 AM
Video of the Italian magazine Omnimoto.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97DsTk1lo5I&t=215s
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on September 10, 2021, 09:36:17 AM
I'll eat crow, not great but pretty good.  Looks a little like my Ducati. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: drawnverybadly on September 10, 2021, 09:39:09 AM
I've only known and became a fan of the brand thanks to discovering the V7 line and I've only known Moto Guzzi as the "beautiful retro styled" italian brand, and honestly the V100 looks gross.

To the older guzzistas that knew Guzzi when they made similarly styled bikes like the Breva and Lario, is the V100 less "shocking" because you guys knew Guzzi for plastiky bikes?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: JJ on September 10, 2021, 09:46:31 AM
Looks good from the photos!! :boozing: :cool: :bow: :thumb: 

Wonder what the MSRP will be?!? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :huh: :huh:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on September 10, 2021, 09:46:46 AM
(https://cdn.inmoto.it/images/2021/09/10/125857790-25ecce58-368d-46c1-a9f1-75156ed63eed.jpg)

https://www.inmoto.it/foto/news/2021/09/10-4674197/nuova_moto_guzzi_v100_foto/#1
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: AaronH on September 10, 2021, 09:54:12 AM
I really like the design, and am excited to see if I like riding it... and if I can afford it.  I love the two color options, but if I get one, it'll be red. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bettythebear on September 10, 2021, 09:55:39 AM
google translation from one of the italian articles:

The engine, completely new (as it is easy to guess from the rotated cylinders, to improve habitability and ergonomics, and obviously from the liquid cooling) should have a power between 110 and 120 horsepower. But it does not end there: the Mandello will also have several "firsts" - the quickshifter, which has never been seen before on a standard Moto Guzzi - and even active aerodynamics , an absolute novelty in the motorcycle scene. As the speed increases, the windshield rises automatically and, laterally, two flaps open to manage the flows that hit the rider.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bettythebear on September 10, 2021, 10:05:02 AM
Video of the Italian magazine Omnimoto.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97DsTk1lo5I&t=215s

If you click on the video settings you can have subtitles that auto translate to English. They're good enough to know exactly what the host is pointing out.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom H on September 10, 2021, 10:07:30 AM
I like it. The color on other bikes was blah. On this one it looks nice. I like the fins on the cylinders. Keeps the classic look.

I'm just a bit worried about the headers. I hope they come out with some really good engine guards.

Tom
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on September 10, 2021, 10:12:43 AM
google translation from one of the italian articles:

The engine, completely new (as it is easy to guess from the rotated cylinders, to improve habitability and ergonomics, and obviously from the liquid cooling) should have a power between 110 and 120 horsepower. But it does not end there: the Mandello will also have several "firsts" - the quickshifter, which has never been seen before on a standard Moto Guzzi - and even active aerodynamics , an absolute novelty in the motorcycle scene. As the speed increases, the windshield rises automatically and, laterally, two flaps open to manage the flows that hit the rider.

Cylinders look tall enough for a true OHC or is it a high cam?   :popcorn:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bill E. on September 10, 2021, 10:14:09 AM
  To me, if it had clip ons it's the new Le Mans everybody's been whining about for decades on end
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lazlokovacs on September 10, 2021, 10:15:34 AM
how much does it weigh????

could be absolutely perfect (I was just ranting to my friend the other day thet nobody makes sport tourers anymore)

but reserving judgement til I get the details
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on September 10, 2021, 10:16:06 AM
I personally think it is very good looking. Not some behemoth. I'll bet the green color scheme is a knockout up close and personal. Sadly, I've aged out, and have my "wind up" bike, or I'd be a player.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 10, 2021, 10:16:58 AM
  To me, if it had clip ons it's the new Le Mans everybody's been whining about for decades on end

Yep!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on September 10, 2021, 10:29:02 AM
Not 100% sold on the design BUT it is a 10000000000000000% better than some of the newer bikes that are pumping out on the market right now.

So far it is a + in my book.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dirk_S on September 10, 2021, 10:31:31 AM
I've only known and became a fan of the brand thanks to discovering the V7 line and I've only known Moto Guzzi as the "beautiful retro styled" italian brand, and honestly the V100 looks gross.

To the older guzzistas that knew Guzzi when they made similarly styled bikes like the Breva and Lario, is the V100 less "shocking" because you guys knew Guzzi for plastiky bikes?

This is precisely the problem that MG created upon themselvesóthey began to become stale, when they used to be innovative.
My heart always leans toward classics, but a moto company that used to be relevant as a modern bike builder that now only caters to vintage styling will bury its own grave (unless itís some East Asian brand stuck in the times but canít afford to become updated).

Vintage styling is a fad that comes and goes in strength. Cafes and scramblers see their days then hide back into their respective catalogs. This re-entry back into stylish modern performance is a great thing for the brand. It means continued relevance and refreshing appeal to the motorcycle buyers at large.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: JJ on September 10, 2021, 10:34:25 AM
I really like the design, and am excited to see if I like riding it... and if I can afford it.  I love the two color options, but if I get one, it'll be red.

I like them both, but if I bought one, it would definitely be "RED!"  :wink: :thumb:


(https://i.ibb.co/cXmRmWR/Screen-Shot-2021-09-10-at-8-32-27-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/cXmRmWR)

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(https://i.ibb.co/L6hpX2k/Screen-Shot-2021-09-10-at-8-31-55-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/L6hpX2k)


Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Canuck750 on September 10, 2021, 10:43:58 AM
It looks great to me, the first new GUZZI I would seriously consider owning. I wonder if I could order a bike and arrange to pick it up at the factory? BMW used to offer that service, and after the owner rode around Europe the factory sent it to North America.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bettythebear on September 10, 2021, 10:52:28 AM
Honestly, they'll have to price it around $15k to have a chance. If they don't, there's no reason to buy it over a Tracer 9 GT for the same price.

Tracer 9 GT:
-3cyl
-115hp
-semi active suspension, 6 axis IMU
-come with bags

The only thing it doesn't have is a shaft drive
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on September 10, 2021, 10:53:50 AM
I like them both, but if I bought one, it would definitely be "RED!"  :wink: :thumb:


(https://i.ibb.co/cXmRmWR/Screen-Shot-2021-09-10-at-8-32-27-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/cXmRmWR)

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(https://i.ibb.co/L6hpX2k/Screen-Shot-2021-09-10-at-8-31-55-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/L6hpX2k)


The red one is nice but if the green one has an Ohlins suspension, that would be the one I'd pick.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Motormike on September 10, 2021, 10:56:11 AM
Great video shot on the guzzi link of the Italian eagle landing on the hand of a seated rider ..

Where have I seen this motorcycle shape before?

I was thinking more Yamaha TDM:

(https://i.ibb.co/DtTpSg0/YAMAHA-TDM-850-5530-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DtTpSg0)


Having said that, I think the bike looks fine.  The more modern stying will hopefully bring some new riders into the Guzzi tent.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lazlokovacs on September 10, 2021, 10:59:28 AM
allright it's growing on me

in green especially

 :drool:

Really pleased to see guzzi getting it (seemingly) right after some very lean years!!!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Groover on September 10, 2021, 11:01:38 AM
Looks good to me!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: TalbotMatra on September 10, 2021, 11:09:28 AM
IĎm more or less on the Cruiser side of life, but the new V100 really looks good. This is a fine interpretation of the V2 motor concept linked with the aesthetics and functiom of a sportstourer.

Ciao
Lars
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lazlokovacs on September 10, 2021, 11:14:31 AM
I just did an overlay image comparison between the v100 and the griso (would post it, but I'm not great with uploading pictures on this site, anyone know a good free server?)

much shorter wheelbase, shorter reach to bars, slightly lower seat, 'looks' lighter too

110 horses in that configuration could be very enjoyably useable in the real world

-will the mapping be rubbish?
-will there be some dreadful mechanical failure that piaggio won't fix and affects only models of a certain vin number. maybe?
-will the paint peel off on the first wash?
-will you need a smartphone to ride it?
-will our cherished guzzi lump lose all it's character once water cooled?

Off to take some 'calmo calmo' pills now, someone wake me up when there's more info

forza guzzi!!!!!

 :thumb:

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: moto on September 10, 2021, 11:26:59 AM
Off-road mode showing on speedometer
Active suspension on high-end version
Automatic fairing panels/windscreen deployment at speed
Accessible clutch (mentioned before)
Excellent cylinder appearance from rider's seat
More legroom from relocated intakes
Ditto maybe allowing for a  shorter wheelbase
Silver engine with black exhaust deemphasizes exhaust
Chevron on valve covers suggests old exhaust position
Beautiful

Seems good to me.

Moto

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Shorty on September 10, 2021, 11:32:30 AM
It looks better than I imagined. :thumb: My old eyes are seeing an updated 1000 SP. I'd like to see this bike in an SP Ice Blue livery. They delivered it in time for the proposed Anniversary Rally. Too bad they had to cancel it. I can't wait for the Youtube videos of people putting one through it's paces in the mountains.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: vintage53 on September 10, 2021, 11:35:23 AM
Cycleworld just posted the following article:

www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-news/moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-new-model-and-engine-details/
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ScepticalScotty on September 10, 2021, 11:41:37 AM
Ok I'm totally into it, this is not the SuperBreva 850 I have been waiting for since about 2014, this is the MegaBreva sports tourer which will probably be out of my price range even for the standard model, but what the hell I love it. I'm going to have a test ride when the time comes, and compare it to a V7850 Stone - which is more my price bracket most likely. Until now the 2004 Breva will do.

Things I like;
Power  - at the moment I have 39rwhp so what's not to like.
Looks - I love the look of it, looks like its a dynamic corner carving ride that also can eat a few miles. Red for me.
Comfort factor looks similar to my Breva; all day riding. 
Its modern - love the classics but the company cant be stuck in the retro rut forever.

Dislike;
Likely too pricey for me
Seat height (maybe) - I'm 5 foot 3.
All those panniers will cost big but should be thrown in as part of the deal - Guzzi folk tour its in the blood.
Thats about it...........
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Guzzistaracing on September 10, 2021, 12:45:06 PM
I like it.

My first thought after noticing the diagonal slots beneath the seat was ď1982 Katana!Ē

My exact first thought also, I had a `85 katana! I like it and think it will go down well with the modern buyer.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on September 10, 2021, 12:51:01 PM
It's too large a jump for many to get by the Tracer's looks.  NOT to be that guy, but a bike has to appeal to the owner.  If stats are all that matter then the choice is already made for the buyer with that stat sheet.  I know guys with the Tracer, but, and it's ONLY me, but no thanks, even for free.  It looks hideous.  But as in many things in life, there is  HUGE SUBJECTIVE COMPONENT, and only the viewer can decide.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Guzzistaracing on September 10, 2021, 01:15:54 PM
Interesting to see that they have dumped the big flywheel and clutch. Now you have something modern, maybe even geared down to make shifts like a Jap. Clutch pack is located in what looks like a accessible place. Romours have it that it is a DOCH engine. The lower inertia of the clutch and the DOCH engine could make this a very nice package to make other models with. I like it. (Oh, I almost forgot the watercooling, my comment to this is: it is surely about time!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: larrys on September 10, 2021, 01:40:19 PM
New engine and drivetrain. About time...
Larry
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moto Vita on September 10, 2021, 01:44:09 PM
  To me, if it had clip ons it's the new Le Mans everybody's been whining about for decades on end

 I think the bars look too high and wide for the footpeg position, have to sit on one. Those bars may be the narrower bars I've been wanting for the V85 though.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 10, 2021, 01:45:52 PM
I can't wait to see it in person. This thing looks different from every angle...  Some good, some bad.

It's like the "two-faced girlfriend" from Seinfeld....  Surely it's gonna look better in person. The two-tone green might be the one for me! Although the first mod will have to be re-covering the saddle in brown leather like a Tenni GRiSO or the Tenni V11
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowings on September 10, 2021, 01:49:25 PM
I'm thrilled Moto Guzzi has now released two models in succession that aren't another pander to the highway-peg crowd. It appeared for a few years there Piaggio was content to let Aprilia carry the performance mantle and Guzzi would be the cruiser brand.

That would have been a real shame to let the racing heritage go for naught.

I like it very much!  :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moto Vita on September 10, 2021, 01:57:26 PM
 It looks awesome, I was prepared not to like it but it grabs me. It strikes me as a little Hondaesque, that's not a bad thing, the problem is that I can ride to about 15 Honda dealers in less time than it takes me to get to a Guzzi dealer, and it's not the greatest dealer either.
 I'm not sure how I feel about hanging the clutch off the side like that, out of the path of the engine and transmission shafts, I'd like to see a cutaway of the new powerplant.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: drawnverybadly on September 10, 2021, 02:20:43 PM
This is precisely the problem that MG created upon themselvesóthey began to become stale, when they used to be innovative.
My heart always leans toward classics, but a moto company that used to be relevant as a modern bike builder that now only caters to vintage styling will bury its own grave (unless itís some East Asian brand stuck in the times but canít afford to become updated).

Vintage styling is a fad that comes and goes in strength. Cafes and scramblers see their days then hide back into their respective catalogs. This re-entry back into stylish modern performance is a great thing for the brand. It means continued relevance and refreshing appeal to the motorcycle buyers at large.

Moto Guzzi hasn't innovated since they built a wind tunnel in 1950, maybe we can throw in their V8 in 1955 but in their 100 year history they've spent the majority of their existence being technologically stale and playing catch up in everything except design (IMO).
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Groover on September 10, 2021, 03:28:37 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/BP5R4zT/B013-BAF4-7-EE1-45-CE-A6-B7-E228-C6410-BA3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BP5R4zT)

(https://i.ibb.co/NmGXqJF/41-FBC33-D-A121-4603-B730-15-B3-CE16-C2-D4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NmGXqJF)

(https://i.ibb.co/KK8x59G/39235-DA8-5055-4-D7-F-B81-A-662-CACC4-E69-E.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KK8x59G)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: krglorioso on September 10, 2021, 03:39:37 PM
Okay.  I've had a few hours to mull over the new V-100.  With all due deference (not much--he's half my age, after all) to my dear friend of 12 years, BPReynolds, who has with age become somewhat of a curmudgeon, I think Guzzi's engineers and stylists have hit a "home run". 

I recommend that Guzzisti now be divided into three categories:  Loop Frame "Red Suspender Gang"; "Round Headlamp Gang" and "Modernos".  I'm among the middle group, but I believe the new V-100 signals the advent of new ideas that will appeal to a broader, younger (and not so young) rider group. 

It is in the collective interest of we Guzzisti that Piaggio should do well and I think the new V-100 will ensure that happy outcome.

BTW, my birthday is 12/12 and I'm only 15 years junior to Moto Guzzi. I like the green and silver.  Just sayin'...

Ralph
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on September 10, 2021, 03:44:34 PM
Slightly larger images shared by Nick on our local forum. I'm like what MG has done and am really looking forward to a full review. Love my V85TT but wow - just wow!


(https://i.ibb.co/3kpkK2J/Screen-Shot-2021-09-10-at-2-23-20-PM.png) (https://ibb.co/3kpkK2J)

(https://i.ibb.co/0GrpN3d/Screen-Shot-2021-09-10-at-2-27-02-PM.png) (https://ibb.co/0GrpN3d)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: elrealistico on September 10, 2021, 03:45:10 PM
I think I see in the video on youtube, the clutch housing. Maybe a wet clutch?

I like it, will wait for the bugs to be worked out and see what other models come along with this motor. Lots of differences from the MG of the last 50-60 years or so, but change is inevitable!

Oh, and I am on TEAM RED for this one :)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on September 10, 2021, 04:23:18 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/vQt2cLs/A70-C703-A-1-BF3-4-B6-A-9-E6-D-017-A88852734.jpg)

I really like this bike!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ohiorider on September 10, 2021, 04:26:40 PM
When BMW upgraded their Camhead to the Waterhead in roughly 2012, the first thing I noticed was that the intakes were now on top the cylinder heads, and the exhausts were on the bottom of the cylinder heads.  Like the upcoming Guzzi engine.  I used PowerPoint at that time to illustrate the difference in cam function, since I couldn't find a graphic comparison of the two cam layouts.

Correct me if I'm wrong, please.

With the Camhead, I believe each camshaft contained one intake and one exhaust lobe.  With the Waterhead, I think each camshaft contained either two intake lobes or two exhaust lobes.  Easier, most likely, to control variable valve timing.  I believe BMW alters only the intake cam timing.


(https://i.ibb.co/dKKbFw0/Old-DOHC-vs-new-DOHC-BMW-Flat-Twin.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dKKbFw0)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on September 10, 2021, 04:36:35 PM
I do wonder how much heat the rider is going to feel.  Remember, the liquid cooling is so that the engine passes Euro Emissions,  All the heat emitted by the radiator and the pipes put the side like that. 

I will definitely check it out when it arrives at Sloans.   
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: not-fishing on September 10, 2021, 04:55:35 PM
I do wonder how much heat the rider is going to feel.  Remember, the liquid cooling is so that the engine passes Euro Emissions,  All the heat emitted by the radiator and the pipes put the side like that. 

I'm up for a heat-independent Guzzi because I've ridden mine enough times in 100+ heat where the Griso or V11 Lemans gets Very Cranky.

I'm thinking this is more along the lines of a Tuono/Griso and I do love my long wheel base bike for touring or long day trips.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: guzzisteve on September 10, 2021, 05:16:20 PM
Who's gonna be their 1st Guinea Pig, Do they have chips to make it work? No pics of it actually going down the road, none I seen.

Sorry it may be full of issue's that your warranty will fix, I'm glad not to work on it and go w/older more reliable.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: AJ Huff on September 10, 2021, 05:19:38 PM
Who's gonna be their 1st Guinea Pig, Do they have chips to make it work? No pics of it actually going down the road, none I seen.

Sorry it may be full of issue's that your warranty will fix, I'm glad not to work on it and go w/older more reliable.

Nobody here. It's going to cost more than $8500! 🤣😂

-AJ
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Milosh on September 10, 2021, 05:40:23 PM
I do like it. But I bought an air-cooled bike for a reason.

For evidence why, take a look of the LHS of a Ducati Monster 821. Also, rocks.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on September 10, 2021, 05:41:20 PM
Who's gonna be their 1st Guinea Pig, Do they have chips to make it work? No pics of it actually going down the road, none I seen.

Sorry it may be full of issue's that your warranty will fix, I'm glad not to work on it and go w/older more reliable.

People that own multiple bikes, and trade off bikes every season or two. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: JJ on September 10, 2021, 05:48:06 PM
QUOTE: Nobody here. It's going to cost more than $8500! 🤣😂 -AJ

Oh yes...much more than $8,500.... :rolleyes: :shocked: :huh: The MSRP will be more like $17,000+++
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 10, 2021, 05:53:41 PM
I put my deposit on the V85 before it was built.
Issue I have now though, is that I am getting too old to wear out a Norge, V85 and a V100 before I die.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Solorider73 on September 10, 2021, 06:08:54 PM
I like it.  I'm a fan of sport touring bikes, so with some bags it would fit the bill.  For some reason I think the green and silver looks better on this bike that the others.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on September 10, 2021, 06:10:08 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/BP5R4zT/B013-BAF4-7-EE1-45-CE-A6-B7-E228-C6410-BA3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BP5R4zT)

(https://i.ibb.co/NmGXqJF/41-FBC33-D-A121-4603-B730-15-B3-CE16-C2-D4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NmGXqJF)

(https://i.ibb.co/KK8x59G/39235-DA8-5055-4-D7-F-B81-A-662-CACC4-E69-E.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KK8x59G)

At least it's not as ugly as a Multistrada.  Not as pretty as my 939 Supersport.  If only this bike had come out 5 years earlier.  I still want to ride one.  I talked to my local dealer, he's not gotten any word about it but seems happy to learn about it after I mentioned it. 

Do we need active aerodynamics?  That flummoxed me.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on September 10, 2021, 06:24:30 PM
I personally think it is very good looking. Not some behemoth. I'll bet the green color scheme is a knockout up close and personal. Sadly, I've aged out, and have my "wind up" bike, or I'd be a player.

No worries Chuck. I'll let you ride mine :evil:
If this thing runs as good as it looks it will be spectacular. :boozing:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on September 10, 2021, 06:25:51 PM
QUOTE: Nobody here. It's going to cost more than $8500! 🤣😂 -AJ

Oh yes...much more than $8,500.... :rolleyes: :shocked: :huh: The MSRP will be more like $17,000+++

that will make the v85tt feel more affordable.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on September 10, 2021, 06:41:03 PM
I do wonder how much heat the rider is going to feel.  Remember, the liquid cooling is so that the engine passes Euro Emissions,  All the heat emitted by the radiator and the pipes put the side like that. 

I will definitely check it out when it arrives at Sloans.

Don't worry about the radiator, worry about the catalytic converter.  No picnic in traffic.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on September 10, 2021, 06:42:55 PM
QUOTE: Nobody here. It's going to cost more than $8500! 🤣😂 -AJ

Oh yes...much more than $8,500.... :rolleyes: :shocked: :huh: The MSRP will be more like $17,000+++  $13500.

 :popcorn:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: GeorgiaGuzzi on September 10, 2021, 06:55:52 PM
I think Iíve found the replacement for the Triumph Trophy! Definitely future #goals! I personally love the looks
of the bike. If I was another five years along Iíd put a deposit down ASAP. As it is Iíll have to wait a few years but I definitely want one.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: guzzisteve on September 10, 2021, 07:36:13 PM
Nobody here. It's going to cost more than $8500! 🤣😂

-AJ
Not when you can buy EV's for $3000.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: stubbie on September 10, 2021, 07:41:03 PM
I like it. With any luck the tank will be bigger than 15ltr and around 220kg's
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on September 10, 2021, 07:42:02 PM
Not when you can buy EV's for $3000.

Guess that must be a monetary representation of what they are actually worth to most people.

 :evil:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: PhilB on September 10, 2021, 07:48:28 PM
I'm excited.  The reason I'm here is that I'm looking to get a sport-tourer next, and a Norge was a contender.
If this (a) isn't too frightfully heavy, (b) can be had with hard bags, and (c) doesn't have any major design flaws, it will be a very strong possibility.
(And to those who likened it to the Motus -- I liked the Motus, and it was on my shortlist until the company failed.  I testrode one, and that was one hell of a bike.)

PhilB
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Wayne Orwig on September 10, 2021, 07:50:22 PM
One photo I saw, looked like the starter, and alternator, are just behind the block, on the right side. And to the rear of the transmission on that right side was a round housing that looked like a wet clutch. Interesting to see it up close.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ohiorider on September 10, 2021, 07:56:22 PM
I kind of like it.  However, being on fixed income, I'd be more inclined to pick up a nice, rollered, low mileage Griso 8vSE.  Plus, like Chuck, I believe I too am aged-out.

Bob
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on September 10, 2021, 08:21:10 PM
How GuzziSteve sounds to people under 70.

ďGet the hell off my yard. ď
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on September 10, 2021, 08:22:42 PM
This is the 'official' video from the MG website: https://youtu.be/9vgM1pjO0gQ (https://youtu.be/9vgM1pjO0gQ)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: cliffrod on September 10, 2021, 08:25:24 PM
I don't like this composition at all- poorly done, makes me think of the HD VRod headlight limp "penis" thing...  there's too much visual noise and lack of assertive detail that I don't like it. It looks better in red because many details are less obvious, but those details are still there.  I won't be buying one, so my opinion is just my opinion.  Give me one and I'll sell it immediately to buy a few older bikes.

The bigger issue to me (as an artist and as someone who is more interested in MG history than current market trends) is why this special anniversary release focuses upon the 1957 V8 motorcycles (zinc chromate green, argent & brown) than the 1969 Record bikes which were built by Lino Tonti to actually demonstrate what the new VTwin engine platform could do and then did become.  The V8 was a special bike.   But it died a quick death on the racetrack as a novelty & NEVER made it to production.

By comparison, the two 1969 Record bikes gave birth to every VTwin MG sport bike ever made. That is real creds and is why MG is still alive today.  Period.  From the museum-


(https://i.ibb.co/WFSrQg1/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WFSrQg1)

image uploader (https://imgbb.com/)


IMHO- This new V100 bike is a play on ignorant new buyers.  Give credit where credit is due.  Make a real affordable V8 MG street bike in these colors (imagine if Piaggio did a limited run of them as a marketing play- hot damn!) or do a VTwin that isn't a pander to the V8. I like Dave's V7 850 but how many times are they going to rehash the same idea in the same colors?  They should have quit while they were ahead.

People here complain about HD pandering retro stuff.  This is a big sellout imho, just like the first Loop that was a blatant ripoff of a HD ElectraGlide.   No surprise they're going to close down the original MG factory museum & open a new bling shop.  Bet they'll be selling every doodad imaginable, just like HD corporate forced legit old dillygaf dealerships to do back in the 90's....

Rant over
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on September 10, 2021, 08:29:26 PM

Do we need active aerodynamics?  That flummoxed me.

I think along with the adjustable screen it will be variable wind/weather protection.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Clancy on September 10, 2021, 08:57:47 PM
Have it washed and brought to my tent.

No worries mate, I've just got to take it out and make it dirty first  :evil:

Is it a GriSO? No.
Will it replace my GRiSO? No.
Would I like to have a ride on it? F#@% Yeah!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on September 10, 2021, 09:05:52 PM
This is a big sellout imho, just like the first Loop that was a blatant ripoff of a HD ElectraGlide.   

Huh?  :shocked: Very little resemblance between the two, far from a "ripoff".

(https://i.ibb.co/2MGyKYx/67-V700.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2MGyKYx)

(https://i.ibb.co/7RvjZ4q/67-Electra-Glide.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7RvjZ4q)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on September 10, 2021, 09:21:24 PM
Donít worry Clifford, no body is going to give you one.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: cliffrod on September 10, 2021, 09:33:05 PM
Huh?  :shocked: Very little resemblance between the two, far from a "ripoff".

(https://i.ibb.co/2MGyKYx/67-V700.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2MGyKYx)

(https://i.ibb.co/7RvjZ4q/67-Electra-Glide.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7RvjZ4q)


The V700 looks curiously more like an Electraglide than a Falcone, especially if you enlarge that square toolbox to better mimic the saddlebag of the HD.  Not saying it's good or bad, just that it is.  In 1966, MG was deep in receivership and needing to survive.  You do what works.  Look at those two pics as posted.  nearly all details are either enlarged or diminished in place- even the number of design elements.  The V700 were also marketing heavily into the USA market, which apparently had little interest in a Falcone. Not saying it's good or bad, just that it is.
 
Maybe it was just the same coincidental leap in technology that BMW did when moving from the /2 earls fork platform in 68-70 (the few telescopic front end /2 1969 bikes aside) by advancing the MG platform from the Falcone/scissor suspension to the modern shocks frame.  Still, they look a lot alike.  MG reportedly chose the lime gold green for the V7 Sport simply because of market survey research results.   It's not hard to think the put the same method to work to decide how to package to new V twin platform.

edit-
Donít worry Clifford, no body is going to give you one.  :rolleyes:

Whew- that's a load off... at least I'll be able to sleep tonight.  thanks, Chad!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on September 10, 2021, 09:34:34 PM
IMHO- This new V100 bike is a play on ignorant new buyers.

Unless I missed it (definitely possible) I fail to see where you supported this assertion.

Would you care to connect the dots for someone as dense as myself?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: cliffrod on September 10, 2021, 09:53:03 PM
Unless I missed it (definitely possible) I fail to see where you supported this assertion.

Would you care to connect the dots for someone as dense as myself?

V8 vs Vtwin.   A handful of special race bikes vs how many(?) vtwins production bikes based upon the Vtwin platform that saved MG based upon the new engine & then new frame by Lino Tonti that was a direct result of the MG receivership edict to their celebrity engineer to prove it.  He did.  We win.

Maybe it's just me.  But the V8 didn't save MG.  It was briefly relevant a decade prior but didn't save the company then and didn't come to the rescue to save the company from receivership between circa 1957 and 1966. The new V7 engine platform did, which is likely why everything under the MG moon in recent years has been branded as V7.   

It's the ultimate AMF metaphor.  I have no ill feeling because I like my AMF HD stuff as much as I like my post 1966 MG stuff. But it's convenient to pretend it didn't happen.  MG did what they had to and survived. Very cool.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on September 10, 2021, 10:00:53 PM
V8 vs Vtwin.   A handful of special race bikes vs how many(?) vtwins production bikes based upon the Vtwin platform that saved MG based upon the new engine & then new frame by Lino Tonti that was a direct result of the MG receivership edict to their celebrity engineer to prove it.  He did.  We win.

Maybe it's just me.  But the V8 didn't save MG.  It was briefly relevant a decade prior but didn't save the company then and didn't come to the rescue to save the company from receivership between circa 1957 and 1966. The new V7 engine platform did, which is likely why everything under the MG moon in recent years has been branded as V7.   

It's the ultimate AMF metaphor.  I have no ill feeling because I like my AMF HD stuff as much as I like my post 1966 MG stuff. But it's convenient to pretend it didn't happen.  MG did what they had to and survived. Very cool.


Ahhh is all of this based on the damn color scheme? Or some other tie to that model?

The model that no one who is not already DEEPLY steeped in Guzzi history would ever have a clue about?

Yes new buyers may be "ignorant" of it, but how can you possibly "play" to something that no one knows or gives a crap about?!?

As someone who has owned and cared about Guzzis for about two decades I didn't know, nor would I have connected or given a crap about it

I guess I'm saying it's ok to draw upon a distant or even vague connection to the past for inspiration without it needing to be so direct to be legitimate.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moto Vita on September 10, 2021, 10:03:04 PM
 I can see this is going to be a long and contentious thread. Any guesses how many pages before anybody sees a bike?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on September 10, 2021, 10:06:15 PM
The V700 looks curiously more like an Electraglide than a Falcone, especially if you enlarge that square toolbox to better mimic the saddlebag of the HD.  Not saying it's good or bad, just that it is.  In 1966, MG was deep in receivership and needing to survive.  You do what works.  Look at those two pics as posted.  nearly all details are either enlarged or diminished in place- even the number of design elements.  The V700 were also marketing heavily into the USA market, which apparently had little interest in a Falcone. Not saying it's good or bad, just that it is.

Still ain't seeing it. Gas tank totally different shape, front fender on the Guzzi far less valanced, bit of stretch to say that if the toolbox was enlarged it would look like the Harley saddlebag. Okay, Guzzi battery cover resembles the Harley battery box. Flat seat vs. buddy. Deeper, more prominent headlight bucket. V700 resembles an Electra Glide as much as Madonna (Chiccone) resembles the Madonna (and Child).

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on September 10, 2021, 11:07:38 PM
I can see this is going to be a long and contentious thread. Any guesses how many pages before anybody sees a bike?

Well there are pictures on page 1.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 10, 2021, 11:39:15 PM
Well if nothing else, itís a good little conversation starter.... :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
I must have watched that short promo a hundred times.
Donít be surprised if it pops up on Red Tube.... :drool:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 10, 2021, 11:54:28 PM

Ahhh is all of this based on the damn color scheme? Or some other tie to that model?

The model that no one who is not already DEEPLY steeped in Guzzi history would ever have a clue about?

Yes new buyers may be "ignorant" of it, but how can you possibly "play" to something that no one knows or gives a crap about?!?

As someone who has owned and cared about Guzzis for about two decades I didn't know, nor would I have connected or given a crap about it

I guess I'm saying it's ok to draw upon a distant or even vague connection to the past for inspiration without it needing to be so direct to be legitimate.
Toucheí Sir... :bow: :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Guzikid on September 11, 2021, 12:20:53 AM
  All I got to say is.....I LOVE IT !   And I want one !!!  I'm sure it will be next year before we can get our hands on it.  BTW, the "red" V100 flat turns me on !!!   :thumb:  The Kid
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: zedXmick on September 11, 2021, 12:52:25 AM
I love  it!! Iíd take the red!!itís absolutely beautiful in the video!! Well done Moto Guzzi!!! :bow: :cool:t :thumb: welcome to the next 100 years indeed!!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mr Revhead on September 11, 2021, 01:39:45 AM
Looks awesome to me!
It's not a loop or Tonti, but it can't be can jt? Not if we want Moto Guzzi to thrive and survive.
They have to attract new buyers.
It certainly looks a shit load better than almost everything else modern.
And don't forget,  it's just the first version of a new range. Something will come along with a Le Mans badge.
Now, can someone give me one please?  :drool:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jacksonracingcomau on September 11, 2021, 01:47:16 AM
My 2c
I see no tribute to v8 at all, nor anything pre mid 80ís
I do see the 1980ís in spades, think Lario, mk4 le mens, even T5 etc, or any oriental bike of time
Tupperware bikes we called them then
Guess retro had to move on from 70ís eventually, next gen of old codgers who that style appealed to will jump in.
Smart move, 70ís people go for V7 line, 80ís people this one

But the motor, if not properly modern in Ducati /Aprillia country , looks to be a new ball game, only thing it appears to have from Sig Carcanoís brilliant design of 65 is the engine configuration.
Peek inside will be interesting, valve train etc
Well done Guzzi, I hope it works
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on September 11, 2021, 02:07:48 AM
This is a big sellout imho, just like the first Loop that was a blatant ripoff of a HD ElectraGlide.
In 1966 In Italy it was barely known that Harley Davidson was a motorcycle brand and none knew what an "ElectraGlide" was. The target for the V7 was the market of the BMW R60/69.

(https://www.yesterdays.nl/site/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/BMW-1965-R69S-ft-20.jpg)

(https://www.autobelle.it/altre-immagini/immagini_annunci/25/255612/sorgente_255612.d1520894510.jpg)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on September 11, 2021, 04:35:11 AM

But the motor, if not properly modern in Ducati /Aprillia country , looks to be a new ball game, only thing it appears to have from Sig Carcanoís brilliant design of 65 is the engine configuration.
Peek inside will be interesting, valve train etc
Well done Guzzi, I hope it works

About sums it up for me Martin. :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jacksonracingcomau on September 11, 2021, 04:42:00 AM
In 1966 In Italy it was barely known that Harley Davidson was a motorcycle brand and none knew what an "ElectraGlide" was. The target for the V7 was the market of the BMW R60/69.

(https://www.yesterdays.nl/site/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/BMW-1965-R69S-ft-20.jpg)

(https://www.autobelle.it/altre-immagini/immagini_annunci/25/255612/sorgente_255612.d1520894510.jpg)
:thumb:
I was going to say that before, but the plot is thicker
Guzzi had to beat the jerries to the USA market
Not copy Hardly Ableto but steal from them, in bigger numbers than anyone before
And they did, , nearly all sales where Stateside, interesting  to know BMW sales figures v Guzzi in 67 and 68
My money is on the V700
Only Honda stopped the fun in 69 and 70, yanks are fickle
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on September 11, 2021, 04:42:38 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/7qVnYMJH/OQLI5243.jpg)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jacksonracingcomau on September 11, 2021, 04:51:19 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/7qVnYMJH/OQLI5243.jpg)
:thumb:
ABSOLUTELYFUKINBRIL LIANT
Sideways in the wind tunnel
Being on the (windward) PULL side of the prop adds to it

Those clever adaptive aerodynamic doo dads work sideways in cross winds
Overtaking trucks at speed in windyland will no longer bother us, wind from left or right
I might have to buy one
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: chuck peterson on September 11, 2021, 04:58:49 AM
Those headers look like they serve a second purpose of crash bars?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Sye on September 11, 2021, 05:33:46 AM
Well, I think it fits the bill rather nicely. Great style, great power and what looks like great ergonomics. I will certainly be taking a test ride on one when they become available.

Moto Guzzi have been making bikes for a long time and have relied on the faithful to buy their bikes. I see nothing wrong with them having more up to date offerings in their line up. I'm sure they will continue building classically styled bikes for the faithful and will attract current Ducati, Honda and BMW riders with their new offering. Fair play to them and well done for being dragged into the 21st century.

Huzo, I tried eating ice cream with my arse, it didn't go well  :grin:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 11, 2021, 05:59:45 AM
Those headers look like they serve a second purpose of crash bars?
They look a bit like covers over the actual pipe.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on September 11, 2021, 06:50:42 AM
I notice this morning that the more I see it, the more I like it.

Of course I thought my Breva was all kinds of ugly, at first.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on September 11, 2021, 07:23:41 AM
I kind of like it.  However, being on fixed income, I'd be more inclined to pick up a nice, rollered, low mileage Griso 8vSE.  Plus, like Chuck, I believe I too am aged-out.

Bob

What does it mean, "on a fixed income"?

I have been topped out at work for 10 years. Does that mean I'm on a fixed income? If you are retired that means you have the time to get a part time job to fund the new bike, while I don't.   Mmm.

And aren't there those on fixed incomes that bring in more than they spend on necessities?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 11, 2021, 07:25:01 AM
I notice this morning that the more I see it, the more I like it.

Of course I thought my Breva was all kinds of ugly, at first.

YES
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Ncdan on September 11, 2021, 07:30:41 AM
Iíll throw in on this one.
For those who like that style of motorcycle itís probably appealing, personally they all look so much the same I canít tell much different.
As far as the motor goes, I like the size and horse power speculation and the water cooled aspect is fine too.
Therefore Iíd like to see a cruiser/tourer added to the line, even though I probably wouldnít be able to own one due to the lack of dealership availability in my state.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bpreynolds2 on September 11, 2021, 07:51:21 AM
Since everyone here is clamoring to hear it  :wink: let me be more clear here than my initial ďwtfĒ comments earlier in the thread. 

I actually think the whole bike pops, it really does.  Except that front end which is to my eyes is so bad, it nearly ruins the whole of the bike for me.  Itís a styling choice that just seems utterly bizarre to me.  Unlike some comments here, the front end does not remotely say ďmodernĒ to me and, in fact, it says worse than ugly, it says generic.  Not a single one of you blokes can tell me my opinion is wrong any more than I can yours so Iím not criticizing your beloved take on the bike, Iím just saying for me itís a real disappointment.  Disappointing especially because itís a new, powerful and impressive looking engine and Guzzi chose to market it with that front end which, again, seems more boring than ugly even.  And this from a guy who thinks they nailed the V7ís lines, they nailed the V85ís lines, shoot I even think they nailed the Roamerís lines.  To me, if they were going to put a fairing on the bike I would rather it have been a single, round LED headlight in more similar manner to the Ducati Sport Classic series. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jrt on September 11, 2021, 08:13:38 AM
We've been seeing predictions of a water cooled Guzzi for over two decades now.  Remember this one?
Personally, I am happy to see the company moving in this direction.  But- that's my opinion.


(https://i.ibb.co/YctJksk/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YctJksk)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 11, 2021, 08:15:32 AM
Since everyone here is clamoring to hear it  :wink: let me be more clear here than my initial ďwtfĒ comments earlier in the thread. 

I actually think the whole bike pops, it really does.  Except that front end which is to my eyes is so bad, it nearly ruins the whole of the bike for me.  Itís a styling choice that just seems utterly bizarre to me.  Unlike some comments here, the front end does not remotely say ďmodernĒ to me and, in fact, it says worse than ugly, it says generic.  Not a single one of you blokes can tell me my opinion is wrong any more than I can yours so Iím not criticizing your beloved take on the bike, Iím just saying for me itís a real disappointment.  Disappointing especially because itís a new, powerful and impressive looking engine and Guzzi chose to market it with that front end which, again, seems more boring than ugly even.  And this from a guy who thinks they nailed the V7ís lines, they nailed the V85ís lines, shoot I even think they nailed the Roamerís lines.  To me, if they were going to put a fairing on the bike I would rather it have been a single, round LED headlight in more similar manner to the Ducati Sport Classic series.
What is it about twin discs mated to radial mounted Brembo calipers that suggests itís not modern ?
Iím not saying youíre wrong, because by definition an opinion can never be wrong, just some justification for your thoughts.
If you had the open book to style the front end, would you have chucked the Ohlins junk in the bin and put something else on ?
What would you have done differently ?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: elrealistico on September 11, 2021, 08:18:08 AM
So I wonder--how much road testing has been done so far?  Some posters had poo-pood the notion of a "new" guzzi based on the lack of spy sightings of actual road-going machines getting flogged by testers from the factory. Maybe this will start now and up to including the "official" intro at EICMA? Production would have to start soon, to make it to the 2022 northern hemisphere spring market. Not a lot of time to correct deficiencies in design or manufacturing that may come to light with actual heavy road use
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 11, 2021, 08:20:15 AM
So I wonder--how much road testing has been done so far? Not a lot of time to correct deficiencies in design or manufacturing that may come to light with actual heavy road use
Thatís our job... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on September 11, 2021, 08:35:09 AM
Thatís our job... :rolleyes:

Beta testing has shifted from the lab to 'early adopter' consumers. Just like most software...
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bpreynolds2 on September 11, 2021, 08:36:22 AM
What is it about twin discs mated to radial mounted Brembo calipers that suggests itís not modern ?
Iím not saying youíre wrong, because by definition an opinion can never be wrong, just some justification for your thoughts.
If you had the open book to style the front end, would you have chucked the Ohlins junk in the bin and put something else on ?
What would you have done differently ?

Iím specifically speaking only of the fairing. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Jorg66 on September 11, 2021, 08:41:54 AM
I like it ! New Concept on more than one front. And of course there are complaints, this is not right and that is wrong,Lol.
The right move in my opinion to present a Sport Bike first ,anything after like Tourer ,Adventure will follow .
And don't forget ,for the longest time Moto Guzzi was a single Cylinder Bike ,had one of the last ,69'Falcone .
It was 'radical'for them when the V twin was brought to market.
This Bike/Concept hopefully attracts the 'Young[er] Generation.
Do i want one ,YES  because its so different !
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Sye on September 11, 2021, 08:55:15 AM
I wonder if they are magnesium covers or painted looky likely?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Groover on September 11, 2021, 09:04:32 AM
I fell asleep last night thinking about this bike like a little kid. Been debating the Ducati Multistrada as my main bike/weapon for a while, but just always seemed a little too aggressive and "too much". This v100 just seems easier to live with and really digging the styling. Definitely one I'd consider if I were to ever buy a newer bike from what I see. Moto Guzzi must think highly of this model as well to make it their 100th anniversary model, first water cooled (I think) and giving it the Guzzi's city name. Though... maybe it should have been an electric model  :whip2:


 :popcorn:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: hauto on September 11, 2021, 09:15:34 AM
Look at the video at the end,forget the eagle. To me that is when the whole package looks good. Step back 10/15 yards and it all fits. Up close I'll agree,just doesn't quite flow as nice as from a distance.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 11, 2021, 09:16:18 AM

And why is the driveshaft on the left?

people who *seem* to know what they are talking about say a wet clutch adds another gear into the mix which reverses the spin to the driveshaft, which means either move the drive to the opposite side or reverse the spin of the engine...

I dont know if that is true, but makes sense to me
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Charles in Lake Charles on September 11, 2021, 10:00:59 AM
Check https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-news/moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-new-model-and-engine-details/ (https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-news/moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-new-model-and-engine-details/) for more information .
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: 80CX100 on September 11, 2021, 10:28:16 AM
What would you have done differently ?

     Added a bit of roundness, and some smoother flowing lines to the overall design like MV Agusta attempted recently with one of their retro models.

     So far I've seen photo comparisons with 5-6 other brands that are all very similar in overall design, ie Ducati, Bmw, Honda, Suzuki, the Kawi comparison especially, was very close; they all have a bit of that angry insect, angular, pouncing predator look.

     I'd like to think that mg could deviate from the crowd and rise above it with a much more appealing, flowing Italian design, that's always been their forte.

     I don't think we've seen the best yet, mg has been holding their cards close, I think there's still a few aces to be played.

     I'm not in the market, and although I've always been partial to the faster red color, :laugh: that green bike really pops, with the Ohlins it would be a no brainer  :thumb: :evil:

     I hope they sell a ton of them.

     fwiw 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kirkemon on September 11, 2021, 05:21:30 PM
Have there been any specs posted for the V100 Mandello ?
Sorry if I have missed them.

https://jalopnik.com/moto-guzzi-is-celebrating-100-years-with-an-incredible-1847655574
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dirk_S on September 11, 2021, 05:44:42 PM
Geez. I only just now noticed the headers out the side.

Also, whereas many a sport bike look like a bug,
And lots of ADV bikes look like a bird,
This one reminds me of an old Ray Harryhausen movie:


(https://i.ibb.co/dWYRcB3/0-CB68094-93-A1-4100-86-FB-3-C1-E22663770.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dWYRcB3)

(https://i.ibb.co/T08NJ8d/E8-D4-DB77-0-E20-4-FE0-9-CAA-28243-EB7-DF89.webp) (https://ibb.co/T08NJ8d)


Youíre welcome.

(Still like it)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Turin on September 11, 2021, 06:23:56 PM
I'm surprisingly pleased . It's pretty, and has some unique features / gimmicks.

This bodes well in general considering this is the first bike out of the gate with the new drivetrain. Exciting stuff!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Beowulf on September 11, 2021, 06:27:52 PM
The more I look at this bike I like it. Itís beautiful and Iím willing to bet it handles beautifully. I hope it has a dry clutch ( anyone know for sure?) not a deal breaker but I could see myself buying one in a couple of years. Iím reminded of this.

https://raresportbikesforsale.com/racer-never-2004-moto-guzzi-mgs-01/
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rschrum on September 11, 2021, 07:25:59 PM
First thing I would do is ceramic coat the exhaust silver. It would blend in with the engine. Can't wait for the V110. That would be the the Tuono v4 1100 turned sideways.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Socalrob on September 11, 2021, 09:20:26 PM
I'm excited about this.  It looks pretty sporty, but look at the height of the handlebars, they know their audience.  Nothing about price yet, but I imagine you will need at least $13,000 to $15,000 to park it in your garage, then come the bags and other accessories.  The BMW 1250RS is the closest looking beemer to it and they are more like $20,000.00. So, just as the V85 series is a relative bargain for what you get, I hope they keep this machine priced right too.  This machine may actually have a shot of some conquest sales if it gets the press reception that the v85tt got and of course, if they can deliver the bikes.  Always a question with MG.

I have been moderately bike shopping lately, with the BMW R1250RS as a heavy contender.  Itís not cheap.  One of my complaints is at 136hp it seems a bit much.  This new Guzzi could be perfect.  Would like to see some luggage.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 11, 2021, 09:50:22 PM
Really really good youtube video from the press event with tons of closeup detail of the ride by wire, cruise, ohlins, wet clutch, etc etc etc

dang. looks better and better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od8nYRyN11s&t=107s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od8nYRyN11s&t=107s)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 11, 2021, 09:57:49 PM
this one is in italian, but shows a closeup of the illuminated dash.. including a 10k redline on the tach  :bike-037:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97DsTk1lo5I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97DsTk1lo5I)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: moto on September 11, 2021, 10:23:48 PM
Those headers look like they serve a second purpose of crash bars?

Agreed. A lot cheaper to replace than heads. And they're not even chromed, further reducing the cost.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 11, 2021, 10:29:41 PM
Agreed. A lot cheaper to replace than heads. And they're not even chromed, further reducing the cost.
Those black covers over the pipes would need chroming.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Smithy on September 11, 2021, 10:46:07 PM
If they do a gloss black like the 1400s with the subtle metallic finish and keep the gold rims I will get one. Set of bags...perfect.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Peter from Sch'dy on September 11, 2021, 11:59:34 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/7qVnYMJH/OQLI5243.jpg)
What is that in the test section? Looks Norgeish. Bagger for sure. Curious.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: gentlemanjim on September 12, 2021, 02:00:42 AM
This bike makes me proud I am a Guzzi fan.  You naysayers is why the marque has been stagnant for so long.  Holding on to traditions and style that please you and hold back the opportunity for growth and recognition of the brand.  The new V7, V85 and now the V100 bring Guzzi into the 21st century and can stand toe to toe with the likes of BMW and Ducati and others.  If you are proud of owning a Moto Guzzi whatever style embrace this one as Paiggio could have dumped the brand long ago.  And who'd you be blaming and crying about then?  I remember I heard here a MG rep talking to a group of MG traditionalist the red suspenders type complaining about product development and saying to them "You are the problem"  Always stuck in my mind.  If we are the problem then we need to support the solution.  Go buy a new Goose whatever style you like.  Nothing like sales to motivate a manufacturer to spend on product development.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on September 12, 2021, 02:42:50 AM
What is that in the test section? Looks Norgeish. Bagger for sure. Curious.

(https://www.cavallivapore.it/wp-content/gallery/moto-guzzi-open-house-visita/moto-guzzi-open-house-galleria-del-vento_4.jpg)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on September 12, 2021, 03:36:33 AM
New engine started.

https://youtu.be/XLPwbhIySOY

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on September 12, 2021, 05:56:51 AM
sounds like a guzzi. one advantage of water cooling, at least in the past is that it tends to mask other engine sounds.  in doing this, some makers have been able to dial in a little additional exhaust note and still pass the aggregate noise test that governmental entities mandate. here's hoping.  i hope that with double overhead cams, this bike does not have the fighter jet whine from the valvetrain that so many modern bikes have. a friend used to have a triumph triple, tiger i think and coming at you, it sounded like a jet was approaching for all of the cam noise it made.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on September 12, 2021, 06:50:16 AM
The engine rocks when you twist the throttle! YEA!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: elrealistico on September 12, 2021, 07:48:39 AM
Welp, now there's a candidate for me for about 2-3 years for now. Perhaps some current Norge owners would upgrade and pass it down when no longer able to ride, or better yet gift their progeny (or progeny's progeny) with such a machine to do a tour ride with pop-pop or meemaw, as the case may be


(https://www.cavallivapore.it/wp-content/gallery/moto-guzzi-open-house-visita/moto-guzzi-open-house-galleria-del-vento_4.jpg)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 12, 2021, 08:06:41 AM
The engine rocks when you twist the throttle! YEA!
And in the same direction.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on September 12, 2021, 12:26:46 PM
Man oh man...why must they tempt me with a modern Norge competitor??  Ah...decisions decisions!

More room needed in the garage! :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dirk_S on September 12, 2021, 01:04:17 PM
Here are a couple quick and crude mock-ups to consider:

Now that the engine is back to being a centerpiece, color treatments will not only stand out on their own, highlighting the curves and angles of the body, but that motor will once again really pop. Cheers to that:


(https://i.ibb.co/h110kjB/3-DA01026-8-A0-B-4362-A257-13-ECF0-D8-B5-D7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/h110kjB)

(https://i.ibb.co/8g1zC4w/C10-C61-D0-D3-FB-4680-996-D-EA542-EF6272-E.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8g1zC4w)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: guzzisteve on September 12, 2021, 01:40:06 PM
New engine started.

https://youtu.be/XLPwbhIySOY


Thanks, at least it runs for a minute. I am cautious on believing it's a real working motorcycle.

Bike in window is a 2V Norge bodywork.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Guzzitenn on September 12, 2021, 02:06:45 PM
 I really think Moto Guzzi has done a smart job in product development lately. The new 850 V7, the V85tt, and now this V100. If had had the money Iíd have all three, and now this V100 news has me waiting instead of buying a V7 850. I have a new plan , by a V85tt 2020 then trade it in for the new V100 , unless I love it too much. But man Iíd go into debt for this one. Congrats MG you are getting serious attention from the motorcycle world. Read the comments on YouTube.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Turin on September 12, 2021, 04:10:06 PM
I'm hoping they eventually introduce a LeMans Variant.

(https://i.ibb.co/8K1STfq/Moto-Guzzi-850-Le-Mans.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8K1STfq)


(https://i.ibb.co/g3DbkgQ/moto-guzzi-announces-new-factory-museum-and-v100-mandello-54.jpg) (https://ibb.co/g3DbkgQ)

I appreciate some of the styling making a nod to the past without being retro.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on September 12, 2021, 05:41:12 PM
Thanks, at least it runs for a minute. I am caucus on believing it's a real working motorcycle.

Bike in window is a 2V Norge bodywork.

We know it's not a wooden mock up motor a la Indian at one point in its complicated past.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: willowstreetguzziguy on September 12, 2021, 05:46:58 PM
I'm hoping they eventually introduce a LeMans Variant.

(https://i.ibb.co/8K1STfq/Moto-Guzzi-850-Le-Mans.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8K1STfq)


(https://i.ibb.co/g3DbkgQ/moto-guzzi-announces-new-factory-museum-and-v100-mandello-54.jpg) (https://ibb.co/g3DbkgQ)

I appreciate some of the styling making a nod to the past without being retro.
When you look at the two bikes, is the large open space above the rear wheel on newer bikes a necessary thing or a styling thing? And is the lack of a front fender cause for concern with road debris flying up against the radiator and engine?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Seventy One on September 12, 2021, 05:51:42 PM
sounds like a guzzi. one advantage of water cooling, at least in the past is that it tends to mask other engine sounds.  in doing this, some makers have been able to dial in a little additional exhaust note and still pass the aggregate noise test that governmental entities mandate. here's hoping.  i hope that with double overhead cams, this bike does not have the fighter jet whine from the valvetrain that so many modern bikes have. a friend used to have a triumph triple, tiger i think and coming at you, it sounded like a jet was approaching for all of the cam noise it made.

My friends nicknamed my 800XC the "dust buster". I believe the noise came from the crank gear that transferred power to the transmission.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on September 12, 2021, 07:46:21 PM
When you look at the two bikes, is the large open space above the rear wheel on newer bikes a necessary thing or a styling thing? And is the lack of a front fender cause for concern with road debris flying up against the radiator and engine?

To a degree, there is a styling element, but...

Modern sporting bikes have a lot more suspension travel than vintage bikes.

4.5 to 6 inches travel on modern bikes vs 3 to 4 inches on vintage bikes.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on September 12, 2021, 08:31:58 PM
When you look at the two bikes, is the large open space above the rear wheel on newer bikes a necessary thing or a styling thing? And is the lack of a front fender cause for concern with road debris flying up against the radiator and engine?

No bike in recent memory had more - or uglier - rear tire gap than the Ducati GT1000...

(https://i.ibb.co/smvbrG8/Ducati-GT1000-06-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/smvbrG8)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on September 12, 2021, 09:04:53 PM
For some of those who think the double overhead cams and side exit exhaust ports are a new development, here is some reading.  From 20 years ago...

(https://www.fuoritraiettoria.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/va10-3-e1519997301365.jpg)

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2001/december/guzzi-enters-new-world/?fbclid=IwAR3VJDhR9BPwELsjeSlDHoXzcBf0S2RKKkE3YJleWg_E8O5MiLqmJrfFxUE


https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fuoritraiettoria.com%2F2-ruote%2Fmoto-guzzi-va10-dm10-superbike-potenza-storia-caratteristiche%2F&prev=search&pto=aue&fbclid=IwAR09JIEiHNwfUoRbaQ5o9qnHtG1XostHJssqbkIgWlCN4jyGoWJO7cjQedk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on September 12, 2021, 09:08:38 PM
in regard to the rear clearance, also 17 inch wheels with much lower aspect ratios as compared to 18 or 19 inch wheels of the past.  I was at a vintage show today and saw a fine example of the Ducati sportclassic 1000.  That gap is really hard to digest for me.  Hopefully it sacks down when you are on it and doesn't look so severe.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: willowstreetguzziguy on September 12, 2021, 10:37:42 PM
in regard to the rear clearance, also 17 inch wheels with much lower aspect ratios as compared to 18 or 19 inch wheels of the past.  I was at a vintage show today and saw a fine example of the Ducati sportclassic 1000.  That gap is really hard to digest for me.  Hopefully it sacks down when you are on it and doesn't look so severe.

YES, Canít help but notice that ugly gap! Probably worst of all time on an otherwise classic bike.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kremmen on September 12, 2021, 10:40:17 PM
This bike makes me proud I am a Guzzi fan.  You naysayers is why the marque has been stagnant for so long.

Oh come on. The marque has been stagnant for so long because Piaggioís corporate vision for it is lacking and they opted to shelve the Martini motor in 2014 instead of facing the reality of tightening Euro standards. They could have had a bike much like this to market in 2015. They could have had the Terblanche bikes to market in what, 2012 or so. For that matter, nothing forced them to cancel everything that was under development during Apriliaís ownership.

They have dusted off this project because Euro 6 plus the embarrassment of facing the 100th anniversary without a new model. One last blast of v-twin fun before everything goes electric, Iím not complaining. (Wonít complain about electric either, the things will be rockets.) 

Quote
If we are the problem then we need to support the solution.  Go buy a new Goose whatever style you like.

Thatís the problem though. What if theyíre not making a style or even a size you like? This blame-the-consumer stuff is all the rage in media, I donít want to see it take off in bike manufacturing too. Britain tried that in the 1960s. Look how that worked out. ("Harrumph! These poor foreign copies will never take off. People only want British motorcycles!" - same mentality.)

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Nothing like sales to motivate a manufacturer to spend on product development.

Amen to that, yeah. I will be holding off for a while for the expected 1200 or 1300 sports or sports/tourer but if it never happens, Iíll have one of these.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: guzzisteve on September 12, 2021, 11:27:45 PM
For some of those who think the double overhead cams and side exit exhaust ports are a new development, here is some reading.  From 20 years ago...

(https://www.fuoritraiettoria.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/va10-3-e1519997301365.jpg)

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2001/december/guzzi-enters-new-world/?fbclid=IwAR3VJDhR9BPwELsjeSlDHoXzcBf0S2RKKkE3YJleWg_E8O5MiLqmJrfFxUE


https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fuoritraiettoria.com%2F2-ruote%2Fmoto-guzzi-va10-dm10-superbike-potenza-storia-caratteristiche%2F&prev=search&pto=aue&fbclid=IwAR09JIEiHNwfUoRbaQ5o9qnHtG1XostHJssqbkIgWlCN4jyGoWJO7cjQedk
The 'Pig' motor. Too bad they were broke at the time and sold to Aprilia. Things that could have been.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kremmen on September 12, 2021, 11:29:52 PM
Moto Guzzi must think highly of this model as well to make it their 100th anniversary model

Itís the 100th anniversary model because itís being launched for the 100th anniversary - there isnít exactly a backup option, haha. I hope they do have good reasons to think highly of it.

Added a bit of roundness, and some smoother flowing lines to the overall design like MV Agusta attempted recently with one of their retro models.

I came so close to giving up and just buying a Superveloce, they are gorgeous. If it wasnít for the insane high revs thereíd be one in my shed now. I canít recall what kind of torque it makes but my muscle memory is calibrated for buckets of it, haha.

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So far I've seen photo comparisons with 5-6 other brands that are all very similar in overall design, ie Ducati, Bmw, Honda, Suzuki, the Kawi comparison especially, was very close; they all have a bit of that angry insect, angular, pouncing predator look.

Lots of people noting a bit of ADV in there too. I donít love the wide front.

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I don't think we've seen the best yet, mg has been holding their cards close, I think there's still a few aces to be played.

Yes.

I hope it has a dry clutch ( anyone know for sure?)

Wet multiplate counter-rotating.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on September 12, 2021, 11:40:49 PM
Funny, I compare the styling of my 2003 red 750 Breva and the new V100.
Very similar styling, probably why I like it. :thumb:

For those that say " it looks like.......", which one of those ............. have the motor configuration that the Guzzi has?  A major point of difference.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on September 13, 2021, 05:19:19 AM
in regard to the rear clearance, also 17 inch wheels with much lower aspect ratios as compared to 18 or 19 inch wheels of the past.  I was at a vintage show today and saw a fine example of the Ducati sportclassic 1000.  That gap is really hard to digest for me.  Hopefully it sacks down when you are on it and doesn't look so severe.

The gap pictured is the result of a fairly crude photoshop, I do not understand people's obsession with this or why a bike with its arse dragging on the ground is desirable from an aesthetics or engineering point of view.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on September 13, 2021, 05:43:22 AM
how much does it weigh????

I'm going to guess 520#, or about the same as the R1200RS which it is obviously targeted against.s
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on September 13, 2021, 09:07:43 AM
Apologies if someone else brought this up but there appears to be no CARC-like floating final drive. Or am I missing something (again)?  :grin:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on September 13, 2021, 09:40:13 AM
Apologies if someone else brought this up but there appears be no CARC-like floating final drive. Or am I missing something (again)?  :grin:

With Guzzi engine/gearbox packages getting shorter, Piaggio has apparently figured out that a long swing arm works well enough.  The same is true for the V85TT and riding mine I detect no Ďjackingí like youíd feel on an older Guzzi or BMW.  Other shaft driven bikes like inline four cylinder Hondas (700 Nighthawk being one example) have taken the same approach.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on September 13, 2021, 09:51:58 AM
With Guzzi engine/gearbox packages getting shorter, Piaggio has apparently figured out that a long swing arm works well enough.  The same is true for the V85TT and riding mine I detect no Ďjackingí like youíd feel on an older Guzzi or BMW.  Other shaft driven bikes like inline four cylinder Hondas (700 Nighthawk being one example) have taken the same approach.

Something about 70hp vs 120hp People have suggested its internal, massive fail if they've decided to skip it IMO.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: NorthfieldV11Sport on September 13, 2021, 10:46:41 AM
This is almost exactly the bike that I was hoping MG would develop.  My V11 Sport's ergonomics are a little too extreme in my old age and it pretty much rules out any serious touring.  This looks like a perfect solution and I will definitely be in the queue to lay down the cash for this spectaular motorcycle.  It makes me proud that I have remained loyal to Moto Guzzi for 44 years... 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antiquar on September 13, 2021, 11:10:57 AM
I'd prefer a model with less plastic but this might be the first new bike I will buy since 2013.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: guzzisteve on September 13, 2021, 11:14:07 AM
This also means all Tech's have to go to class usually in CA at warranty headquarters costing dealers who want to stay currant and receive the new model. No class no new models is how it works.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on September 13, 2021, 11:27:03 AM
The gap pictured is the result of a fairly crude photoshop, I do not understand people's obsession with this or why a bike with its arse dragging on the ground is desirable from an aesthetics or engineering point of view.

Even laden, the GT1000's rear fender gap was on the extreme side, thanks to designer Pierre Terblanche.

(https://1wheeldriveblog.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/ducati_2007_gt1000_1.jpg?w=2000&h=)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on September 13, 2021, 11:53:16 AM
The Paul Smart version looks better with the high pipes. The stock version hides more of that gap but the left side is completely open.

(https://iconicmotorbikeauctions.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Ducati-Paul-Smart-Right-Side-X3.jpg)

(https://images2.bonhams.com/image?src=Images/live/2017-12/19/24705722-3-21.jpg&width=640&height=480&autosizefit=1)

Sorry I never bought one when they were new.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ScepticalScotty on September 13, 2021, 12:07:36 PM
That's actually 2 bikes I consider as serious Breva750 replacements for me; the V7 850 with hard luggage, and the V100 with hard luggage (HB by preference). It took from 2004 when I bought my first B750 until the 850s came out for me to think a fair dinkum worthwhile upgrade had been produced. Now there's an upgrade x 10, but I wonder if my short legs will handle it, or my bank balance (lets be honest - loan repayments) can stand it.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rusty rotor on September 13, 2021, 12:53:56 PM
Do they come with a tool kit?

Do they come with replacement valve trains?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on September 13, 2021, 01:22:42 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/7qVnYMJH/OQLI5243.jpg)

Wind tunnel testing to see how it handles strong cross winds?    :grin:

Seriously, though, I really like what I'm seeing in this new platform, and exciting to see the whole range when it eventually comes out.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on September 13, 2021, 03:31:45 PM
Even laden, the GT1000's rear fender gap was on the extreme side, thanks to designer Pierre Terblanche.

(https://1wheeldriveblog.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/ducati_2007_gt1000_1.jpg?w=2000&h=)

As this matters because? I like suspension travel and lower unsprung weights.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: spmoto on September 13, 2021, 04:50:57 PM
Well halleluiah!! I've been patiently waiting for this for a LONG time. I find it to be the natural evolution from:

This:


(https://i.ibb.co/DVLhXR6/100-2629.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DVLhXR6)

dice multiplayer (https://freeonlinedice.com/)
 

To this:


(https://i.ibb.co/gFdJGSW/125857790-25ecce58-368d-46c1-a9f1-75156ed63eed.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gFdJGSW)


Over the years I've tried the various California variants (owned two) and the adventurers and ultimately the don't work for me, neither aesthetically nor ergonomically. My SP still, with a few modifications, works better for me than any Guzzi to date. I just can't be comfortable in the upright seating position of a cruiser or adv. bike but I can go for hours with a slight forward lean, and some weight on my hands and shoulders, and my feet under my  hips. This distributes across my butt and upper thighs and eliminates the compression on my spine.

I'm really excited about this new bike and will be calling my "local" dealer tomorrow to talk about putting down a deposit! I've got double hip replacements coming up early in 2022 so I'm hoping one will be waiting for me when I'm ready to ride again. Maybe wishful thinking but I've waited this long, I can wait a little longer. at least I'll have something to help occupy recovery time.

Steve M
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: flower_king001 on September 13, 2021, 07:02:49 PM
center stand?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on September 13, 2021, 08:05:54 PM
As this matters because? I like suspension travel and lower unsprung weights.

We both know Terblanche screwed the pooch with the rear styling on the bike.  You could remove the springs from the shocks, bottom them out, and still run a herd of cats through the gap between the fender and tire.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on September 13, 2021, 08:10:11 PM
We both know Terblanche screwed the pooch with the rear styling on the bike.  You could remove the springs from the shocks, bottom them out, and still run a herd of cats through the gap between the fender and tire.

You're jones'n for it.  Admit it.    :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: guzziboy66 on September 13, 2021, 08:25:51 PM
I notice this morning that the more I see it, the more I like it.

Of course I thought my Breva was all kinds of ugly, at first.

And I thought the GRiSO was ugly when I first saw it...  Eventually I came to my senses!

Eric
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowings on September 13, 2021, 08:37:20 PM
Back in the early '90's ('93 IIRC), Dodge redesigned their light truck line. I read the early reviews and previews and it was an almost 50/50 "love it!/hate it!" ratio from the public and the automotive press.
Someone interviewed one of the company's designers/engineers and asked what Dodge was going to do about the naysayers. The reply was "Nothing! We are very happy with the strong reaction.  The worst thing that could happen would be indifference!"
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on September 13, 2021, 08:39:44 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/cwb0RPL/1967-d100-jpg.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cwb0RPL)


Dodge
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Ncdan on September 13, 2021, 09:19:07 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/cwb0RPL/1967-d100-jpg.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cwb0RPL)


Dodge
Wow now you have my attention LR, Iím a dodge boy from back to the 60s! Thatís one beautiful pickup, IMHO👍
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on September 13, 2021, 09:34:35 PM
Dan, you're a smart man.    :police:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on September 13, 2021, 10:52:02 PM
That looks like a'71. Other than Mopars I love Studebakers. Always go with the unusual underdogs, guess that is why I am here. However Mopars have gotten quite good and are everywhere now. I live in a small town and new Challengers pop up all the time.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on September 14, 2021, 12:06:18 AM
That looks like a'71. Other than Mopars I love Studebakers. Always go with the unusual underdogs, guess that is why I am here. However Mopars have gotten quite good and are everywhere now. I live in a small town and new Challengers pop up all the time.
kk

1967


OTOH


(https://i.ibb.co/N9sDYSQ/IMG-4138-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/N9sDYSQ)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kremmen on September 14, 2021, 02:54:07 AM
You're jones'n for it.  Admit it.    :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

I've had one since 2013. Red Sport 1000 monoposto. Itís a joy to ride when its working but it mostly isnít, haha. Grey import from Japan which had some issues. Iíve probably had it on the road about a third of the time Iíve owned it. Hopefully mine isn't representative but if it is...don't jones for one, hahaha
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: s1120 on September 14, 2021, 04:24:03 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/cwb0RPL/1967-d100-jpg.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cwb0RPL)


Dodge

Nice one!!  Im in the process of rebuilding a 74 powerwagon that has been in the family since 76. 20K miles, but been sitting since 89.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on September 14, 2021, 07:07:11 AM
I guess the conversations surrounding the new V100 have gotten stale and now have migrated to ugly truck posts.   :boozing:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: chuck peterson on September 14, 2021, 07:14:29 AM
Without


(https://i.ibb.co/KbWRY1N/7-BD6603-E-90-C3-4-FCD-A518-EF9-B4-BA44-AAD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KbWRY1N)

(https://i.ibb.co/v3Dxkz7/851-D39-F8-08-FE-4632-B65-B-FC6713-B7-B05-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/v3Dxkz7)


With bags


(https://i.ibb.co/0yyTpB0/07-D61-F73-FA05-4-F7-A-AEBF-D18-BBF186398.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0yyTpB0)


😳
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Ncdan on September 14, 2021, 08:22:23 AM
I guess the conversations surrounding the new V100 have gotten stale and now have migrated to ugly truck posts.   :boozing:
TWA, if you have some newly or more recent discovery of information involving  the new V100 feel free to redirect the threads conversation. 👍

Dan
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on September 14, 2021, 08:35:52 AM
Back in the early '90's ('93 IIRC), Dodge redesigned their light truck line. I read the early reviews and previews and it was an almost 50/50 "love it!/hate it!" ratio from the public and the automotive press.
Someone interviewed one of the company's designers/engineers and asked what Dodge was going to do about the naysayers. The reply was "Nothing! We are very happy with the strong reaction.  The worst thing that could happen would be indifference!"

Model Year 1994.  Most inspired truck design in decades!  Dodge had been barely hanging in with a 20 year old truck design kept relevant with the Cummins diesel option.  Then, they introduced the 1994 line of Ram Trucks and in short order were making significant inroads into the Ford and GM customer base.

https://www.drivingline.com/articles/the-1994-dodge-ram-revolution-changed-pickup-trucks-forever/


(https://i.ibb.co/nP2myd9/dodge-ram-1994-pictures-4-1280x960.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nP2myd9)

how to download images off instagram (https://500pxdownload.com/)


Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: willowstreetguzziguy on September 14, 2021, 08:49:19 AM
Model Year 1994.  Most inspired truck design in decades!  Dodge had been barely hanging in with a 20 year old truck design kept relevant with the Cummins diesel option.  Then, they introduced the 1994 line of Ram Trucks and in short order were making significant inroads into the Ford and GM customer base.

https://www.drivingline.com/articles/the-1994-dodge-ram-revolution-changed-pickup-trucks-forever/


(https://i.ibb.co/nP2myd9/dodge-ram-1994-pictures-4-1280x960.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nP2myd9)

how to download images off instagram (https://500pxdownload.com/)


SoÖ Are we thinking that the new V100 is like the 1994 Ram truck??? A breakthrough design? I thought it looked more like an Italian supermodel!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on September 14, 2021, 08:55:52 AM
SoÖ Are we thinking that the new V100 is like the 1994 Ram truck??? A breakthrough design? I thought it looked more like an Italian supermodel!

Well, the execution is good.  Now, about the follow through! 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on September 14, 2021, 10:21:29 AM

and then Hinkley revealed this:


(https://i.ibb.co/vVJDxyP/241806423-4816455671712691-3384824610257643667-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vVJDxyP)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on September 14, 2021, 10:35:03 AM
1967


OTOH


(https://i.ibb.co/N9sDYSQ/IMG-4138-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/N9sDYSQ)

Not intentionally trying to keep the hijack going but I don't know what I was thinking definitely not a '71. An employee had a '71. Anyway I hope this new Mandello is like the '94 Dodge a whole new direction for MG. I have wished for a lower road going version of the V85. New hope, a comfortable version of this new bike. My old body can't do cafť style or adventure bikes anymore.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 14, 2021, 10:37:02 AM
and then Hinkley revealed this:


(https://i.ibb.co/vVJDxyP/241806423-4816455671712691-3384824610257643667-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vVJDxyP)


Specs on this thing are crazy, and they finally fixed the speed triple's biggest downfall-- ugly bug styling! I love the round headlight, kinda reminds me of that MV Agusta
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dimitri_Harkov on September 14, 2021, 11:32:39 AM
Yes indeed!
Gorgeous bike, that Triumph.

But I remain hopeful that the new V100's engine will be mated to a beautiful (to me) exterior in the near future.

Cheers,
D.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on September 14, 2021, 11:36:16 AM
and then Hinkley revealed this:


(https://i.ibb.co/vVJDxyP/241806423-4816455671712691-3384824610257643667-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vVJDxyP)


That Speed Triple is very cool.  It looks like a committed riding position. 

Strange, the most upright ST has the least wind protection.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 14, 2021, 12:04:34 PM
Higher res pics, click to enlarge


(https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/Gx908/s1/2022-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello---side-left-green.jpg)


(https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/jbX71/s1/2022-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello---front-right-green.jpg)


(https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/RGmyw/s1/2022-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello---side-right.jpg)


(https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/VP3L7/s1/2022-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello---front-left.jpg)


(https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/4yjv1/s1/2022-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello---front-right.jpg)





I am buying a green one for sure
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on September 14, 2021, 12:27:28 PM
Higher res pics, click to enlarge


(https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/Gx908/s1/2022-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello---side-left-green.jpg)

I am buying a green one for sure

No Guzzi in years has motivated me like this V100.  I'm really anxious to see it at EICMA and watch the ride reports that will be popping up on YouTube after the EICMA show in November!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ScepticalScotty on September 14, 2021, 12:47:19 PM
Same with me Rocker. The 750s were nice, and the 850s even better, but no bike has really made me want to sell my Breva 750, not REALLY...until this one came along. Might be too tall for me - oh well.

I think the styling is pretty much perfect. But of course that subjective. I think the Standard Libelle is the most beautiful aircraft ever made, and the finest ever looking car? Dick Johnsons XE Falcon at Bathurst. Or maybe an Alfa 1750......
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 14, 2021, 01:39:50 PM
No Guzzi in years has motivated me like this V100.  I'm really anxious to see it at EICMA and watch the ride reports that will be popping up on YouTube after the EICMA show in November!

I'm sold...  They added a dealer under 2hrs from me, if it is a flop I will lemon law it...  But I'm placing a deposit Nov 24th and I'm buying a green one as soon as I can get my hands on it.  I think we are going to see the first real fruits of aprillia's ownership with this one.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dirk_S on September 14, 2021, 01:44:31 PM
I'm sold...  They added a dealer under 2hrs from me, if it is a flop I will lemon law it...  But I'm placing a deposit Nov 24th and I'm buying a green one as soon as I can get my hands on it.  I think we are going to see the first real fruits of aprillia's ownership with this one.

And here I thought you were more of classic looks type... or is this classic-looking enough for ya?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Guzzistaracing on September 14, 2021, 01:53:31 PM
In all the posts about the new V100 I am missing the technical discussions. With the new wet multi plate clutch will it be a more rev willing engine? What about the exceedingly(Looks like it to me) long swing arm? Will it give the bike quick handling and at the same time the stability Guzzi is famed for? What about the lack of a torque arm on the swing arm? Have they solved the problem without any? What will the new interesting engine splitting mean for overhaul? Easier or harder? Now I sit back and get at beer! :boozing: :popcorn:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on September 14, 2021, 02:04:10 PM
In all the posts about the new V100 I am missing the technical discussions. With the new wet multi plate clutch will it be a more rev willing engine? What about the exceedingly(Looks like it to me) long swing arm? Will it give the bike quick handling and at the same time the stability Guzzi is famed for? What about the lack of a torque arm on the swing arm? Have they solved the problem without any? What will the new interesting engine splitting mean for overhaul? Easier or harder? Now I sit back and get at beer! :boozing: :popcorn:

See Post Reply# 195 by Tusayan.

Yes, swingarm looks long but in the official promo video where the eagle lands on the rider's hand the bike appears to have a short wheelbase.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dirk_S on September 14, 2021, 02:08:14 PM
Many here have probably observed quicker than I how the intake port location on the heads allow the cylinder heads to really hug the trellis frame, whereas previous iterations are forced to leave space for the intake manifold to branch out from the airbox.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 14, 2021, 02:41:48 PM
Same with me Rocker. The 750s were nice, and the 850s even better, but no bike has really made me want to sell my Breva 750, not REALLY...until this one came along. Might be too tall for me - oh well.

I think the styling is pretty much perfect. But of course that subjective. I think the Standard Libelle is the most beautiful aircraft ever made, and the finest ever looking car? Dick Johnsons XE Falcon at Bathurst. Or maybe an Alfa 1750......
Have you flown a Libelle ?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 14, 2021, 03:26:42 PM
In all the posts about the new V100 I am missing the technical discussions. With the new wet multi plate clutch will it be a more rev willing engine?

in the youtube video above, you can see the dash displays a 10k redline. taking that huge flywheel off the crankshaft has got to help! More importantly looks like easy access bye bye frame crabbing. Also to your other point, taking the clutch out of line with the engine has to help tighten up that wheelbase.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on September 14, 2021, 04:15:50 PM
Hey, where's Oberdan Bezzi's mashup of MGS01 bodywork with the new 4 cam motor?  :rolleyes: :popcorn:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on September 14, 2021, 04:40:07 PM
Iím  a bit drunk on t excitement too.
Iím not a fan of liquid cooled motorcycles, but this, well I might get comfortable with it!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: 5154guzzi on September 14, 2021, 05:15:33 PM
1939....



(https://i.ibb.co/YjwHGH3/Guzzi-1939.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YjwHGH3)

upload pictures to facebook (https://imgbb.com/)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on September 14, 2021, 05:45:48 PM
1939....



(https://i.ibb.co/YjwHGH3/Guzzi-1939.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YjwHGH3)

upload pictures to facebook (https://imgbb.com/)


 :grin: Right. I mentioned it on another forum. Designed in '34..
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lazlokovacs on September 14, 2021, 06:38:07 PM
See Post Reply# 195 by Tusayan.

Yes, swingarm looks long but in the official promo video where the eagle lands on the rider's hand the bike appears to have a short wheelbase.

it is substantially shorter than the griso for example

I lined up the images to check!!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on September 14, 2021, 10:24:28 PM
It seems that many here have already analysed all available media, carefully scrutinising every single hypothetical, speculative and even imagined nuance, literally pixel by pixel.  The verdict is?  Fairly evenly split it seems.
Personally I like it.  A bold new/retro direction from Piaggio that seems likely to propel the Marque into another century of manufacture.
You can't please all the people all the time.....
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kremmen on September 14, 2021, 10:53:26 PM
and then Hinkley revealed this:


(https://i.ibb.co/vVJDxyP/241806423-4816455671712691-3384824610257643667-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vVJDxyP)


Wow. Triumph throwing down the gauntlet there!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kremmen on September 14, 2021, 11:13:38 PM
Hey, where's Oberdan Bezzi's mashup of MGS01 bodywork with the new 4 cam motor?  :rolleyes: :popcorn:

Yes please. :tongue: I've seen pics of a Moto Morini wearing MGS-01 bodywork. And it looks great! So if that can work...
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kremmen on September 14, 2021, 11:35:54 PM
What about the lack of a torque arm on the swing arm? Have they solved the problem without any?

There's been quite a bit of talk about that. There's no answers yet, just fans hoping that the length of the arm reduces the problem. Same for the cantilever shock.

Quote
What will the new interesting engine splitting mean for overhaul? Easier or harder? Now I sit back and get at beer! :boozing: :popcorn:

I haven't seen anyone bring this up; I am wondering too! Also the tilt. It's a really compact engine but they have stuck with the forward tilt from the Martini days, for legroom as then I guess.

Is the tilt still 8 degrees as on the Martini project? Martini wanted more, and it looks now like maybe they did get more in the end?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: AH Fan on September 14, 2021, 11:44:57 PM
Wow. Triumph throwing down the gauntlet there!

now everyone's at it.    :grin:

Ciao
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Turin on September 15, 2021, 12:08:02 AM
The Triumph Speed Triple RR is not a Guzzi competitor, They've been teasing that thing for months. 1200cc 177HP Bonkers Rocket. Triumph hasn't had a big bore sportbike since 2006.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kremmen on September 15, 2021, 01:41:09 AM
Sure. I didn't mean they threw it at Guzzi, haha. At those numbers it's not even a Superveloce competitor. Bonkers is the word!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on September 15, 2021, 04:52:58 AM
There's been quite a bit of talk about that. There's no answers yet, just fans hoping that the length of the arm reduces the problem. Same for the cantilever shock.

I haven't seen anyone bring this up; I am wondering too! Also the tilt. It's a really compact engine but they have stuck with the forward tilt from the Martini days, for legroom as then I guess.

Is the tilt still 8 degrees as on the Martini project? Martini wanted more, and it looks now like maybe they did get more in the end?

Most modern motorcycle motors with maintenance and a timing chain or two will easily exceed 100 000miles.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dirk_S on September 15, 2021, 06:23:21 AM
It seems that many here have already analysed all available media, carefully scrutinising every single hypothetical, speculative and even imagined nuance, literally pixel by pixel.  The verdict is?  Fairly evenly split it seems.
Personally I like it.  A bold new/retro direction from Piaggio that seems likely to propel the Marque into another century of manufacture.
You can't please all the people all the time.....

I didnít count the yeas vs nays, but it seems to me more like it than not, even if itís not quite their riding style. Regardless, youíre rightónot everyone can be pleased, especially curmudgeons  stuck in the past :D
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Peter from Sch'dy on September 15, 2021, 08:07:40 AM
Don't know if this has been mentioned but looks to me that the cylinders are part of the upper crankcase. Perhaps to stiffen the engine unit as a load bearing lump.
Best,
Peter
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: moto on September 15, 2021, 10:16:54 AM
it is substantially shorter than the griso for example

I lined up the images to check!!

How did you establish a common scale to do this? Wheels? Tires?...
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on September 15, 2021, 10:33:23 AM
and then Hinkley revealed this:


(https://i.ibb.co/vVJDxyP/241806423-4816455671712691-3384824610257643667-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vVJDxyP)


OMG, that is beautiful!
I definitely don't need 180 HP on the street (or even on the track for that matter).    I'll stick with my Thruxton R.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: NorthfieldV11Sport on September 15, 2021, 10:39:10 AM
A motorcycle with 3 cylinders is simply WRONG!!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on September 15, 2021, 10:47:33 AM
Sure. I didn't mean they threw it at Guzzi, haha. At those numbers it's not even a Superveloce competitor. Bonkers is the word!

HP and torque aren't far off a Hyabusa, but, it weighs about 100# less!
Bonkers indeed!

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on September 15, 2021, 11:41:13 AM
it is substantially shorter than the griso for example

I lined up the images to check!!

Keep in mind the Griso's wheelbase was rather rangy for a sporty standard:  Griso wheelbase = 61.0 inches (1471 mm)

To compare:

California EV wheelbase = 61.4 inches  (1560 mm)
V11 LeMans wheelbase = 58.70 inches  (1,490 mm)
Sport 1100 wheelbase =  58.07 inches (1475 mm)
V11 Sport wheelbase = 57.9 inches (1471 mm)
V7 Classic wheelbase = 57.0 inches   (1449 mm)
MGS-01 wheelbase = 56.2 inches   (1428 mm)

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on September 15, 2021, 11:52:42 AM
and then Hinkley revealed this:


(https://i.ibb.co/vVJDxyP/241806423-4816455671712691-3384824610257643667-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vVJDxyP)


I would love if they can make this style of fairing on the new Trident or even the lower CC street triple...oh I am a sucker for bullet one-eye monster fairing...
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on September 15, 2021, 12:25:53 PM
Keep in mind the Griso's wheelbase was rather rangy for a sporty standard:  Griso wheelbase = 61.0 inches (1471 mm)

To compare:

California EV wheelbase = 61.4 inches  (1560 mm)
V11 LeMans wheelbase = 58.70 inches  (1,490 mm)
Sport 1100 wheelbase =  58.07 inches (1475 mm)
V11 Sport wheelbase = 57.9 inches (1471 mm)
V7 Classic wheelbase = 57.0 inches   (1449 mm)
MGS-01 wheelbase = 56.2 inches   (1428 mm)

My WAG puts the V100 Mandello's wheelbase between 56 and 57 inches.  :popcorn:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowings on September 15, 2021, 03:06:31 PM
A motorcycle with 3 cylinders is simply WRONG!!

Not when you hear the Moto2 pack go by you at full song...IMHO they sound MUCH better than the MotoGP bikes!

And certainly not when you throw a leg over a street Triumph Triple and crack the throttle. It's a fantastic machine, for sure.  :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dimitri_Harkov on September 15, 2021, 03:31:29 PM
I could totally imagine Guzzi doing a V3 'their way'.

... lying flat, for example - Zylinders pocking out to sides and front ;)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lazlokovacs on September 15, 2021, 04:06:53 PM
yeah, 56 -57 inches

I compare it to the griso because a- I've got one and b- excluding the MGS-01, it's the fastest guzzi to date so I guess it's gonna be the V100s nearest competitor...

shorter wheelbase, lighter and more power, that sounds good to me!!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dean Rose on September 15, 2021, 05:24:15 PM
Another Centauro

Dean
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: davevv on September 15, 2021, 05:39:30 PM
I like it a lot in either color.  A Motus was the only bike I ever ordered before it was officially released.  This may be the second, and probably in red.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on September 15, 2021, 09:39:13 PM
I like triples, although I've never owned one.  The seem combine the best of both 2 & 4 cyl bikes (for torque, power, revving, sound) and are extremely smooth.

I'd consider one of those if the clip-ons were a little higher.  If I sit on one and find it's more comfy, then I might have an interest.  I'm a little like Goldilocks, not too cruiser-ish, not too racer-ish. 

I don't need a 160HP   :evil:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bottler on September 15, 2021, 09:47:02 PM
Not when you hear the Moto2 pack go by you at full song...IMHO they sound MUCH better than the MotoGP bikes!

And certainly not when you throw a leg over a street Triumph Triple and crack the throttle. It's a fantastic machine, for sure.  :thumb:

And most definitely not when I take my Laverda Jota out for a run.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on September 16, 2021, 07:54:39 AM
I am very interested, I would like a bike lighter than my Audace but more "substantial " than my V7lll. I've been hoping for a lower street going version of the V85 but the V100 set up right would fit the bill I believe. Also I would not be afraid to order an unseen bike, I did that when the R75/5 was announced. It had a couple of problems, nothing too major, carbs and stator which were fixed promptly. I am really looking forward to this new bike and believe it's the correct way for MG to go. Don't need to be too radical and tromp on Aprilia's turf nor get stuck in a rut. The V85 was a good move to get out of that rut and MG needs to stay on that path, IMO.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on September 16, 2021, 07:56:06 AM
I will wait and reserve final judgement until I see the bike in person and see all the specs and what it will cost with aerodynamic hard bags. 

I would love to have a Tracer 700 equipped with the suspension, and electronics that come on the Tracer 900, but that will never happen, which means this new V100 would be a direct competitor to the Tracer 900.

It would have to be very competitive in price and specs to win me over.  The shaft drive giving it the edge.

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 16, 2021, 09:19:38 AM
I like triples, although I've never owned one.  The seem combine the best of both 2 & 4 cyl bikes (for torque, power, revving, sound) and are extremely smooth.

I'd consider one of those if the clip-ons were a little higher.  If I sit on one and find it's more comfy, then I might have an interest.  I'm a little like Goldilocks, not too cruiser-ish, not too racer-ish. 

I don't need a 160HP   :evil:

unless you are dying for a triple, sounds like the Speed Twin would scratch your itch.. 1200cc & most likely faster than a thruxton (at least the 2020-2021)... but the size of a V7 and with classic looks.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on September 16, 2021, 10:01:26 AM
I like triples, although I've never owned one.  The seem combine the best of both 2 & 4 cyl bikes (for torque, power, revving, sound) and are extremely smooth.

I'd consider one of those if the clip-ons were a little higher.  If I sit on one and find it's more comfy, then I might have an interest.  I'm a little like Goldilocks, not too cruiser-ish, not too racer-ish. 

I don't need a 160HP   :evil:

My first bike was a Yamaha XS750 triple with shaft drive.  Reminiscing on that bike is what led me to purchase the 2010 V7 Cafe Classic because it was 750cc and shaft drive. 

My next triple was the 2014 Triumph Trophy SE.

I've owned 3 I-4 bikes, but not really a fan.  Thumpers, Twins of various configurations are my favorites.  The triples are a good compromise.   
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on September 16, 2021, 11:31:13 AM
i thought the Trophy SE was one of the very best motorcycles I've ever ridden.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on September 16, 2021, 12:06:15 PM
unless you are dying for a triple, sounds like the Speed Twin would scratch your itch.. 1200cc & most likely faster than a thruxton (at least the 2020-2021)... but the size of a V7 and with classic looks.

I'll keep my Ducati, thanks.   Speed Triple with a fairing might be a good one if it had less aggressive ergos and a bag option.   But I'm not interested in any another Triumph to replace my Duc.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on September 16, 2021, 12:12:11 PM
My first bike was a Yamaha XS750 triple with shaft drive.  Reminiscing on that bike is what led me to purchase the 2010 V7 Cafe Classic because it was 750cc and shaft drive. 

My next triple was the 2014 Triumph Trophy SE.

I've owned 3 I-4 bikes, but not really a fan.  Thumpers, Twins of various configurations are my favorites.  The triples are a good compromise.

I thought that Yamaha was one of the smoothest bikes I've ever ridden. 

I'm also very interested in a touring bike, I've ridden the Trophy, it has lots going on.  Unfortunately I rode one with lowered seat and was concerned about cramped legroom.  Too bad they're not in production although I only purchase used anymore.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on September 16, 2021, 01:21:06 PM
i thought the Trophy SE was one of the very best motorcycles I've ever ridden.

I regret parting with it the way I did.  The only negative about the motorcycle was the weather protection.  Might as well have been in a car with no air conditioning with the windows rolled up in July.  LOL!

At the time I had two bikes that had way too much weather protection, and my dealer lost triumph and any ability to do warranty work or diagnostics so I was on my own.

I should have traded my Road Glide Ultra for a Road Glide Special, or a Road King, but instead I traded the Trophy SE for a Road King because that dealer made me an offer I couldn't refuse. 

Definitely the most agile sport touring bike I have ever owned and could eat up the miles.  I toured 18 states and the Canadian side of the Great Lakes on that bike.  The electronic suspension settings ruined me for almost every bike to follow ended up requiring suspension upgrades.  Once you have experienced great suspension and adjustability everything else is a compromise.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: spmoto on September 16, 2021, 06:44:47 PM
Hey John (LowRyter),

What Ducati do you own that has you so satisfied, ST by any chance?

SM
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on September 16, 2021, 09:05:21 PM
Hey John (LowRyter),

What Ducati do you own that has you so satisfied, ST by any chance?

SM

(https://g3.img-dpreview.com/70F3A0724B7A4AD08C5FF66D9DFC7573.jpg)

SS  939
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: stubbie on September 16, 2021, 09:31:12 PM
Have never ridden a Speed Triple but there seems to be a lot for sale in this part of the world. Every bike shop seems to have a least 1, many have 2 that are usually no more than 4 years old. Not sure if that's a good indicator of what they are like.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on September 16, 2021, 09:58:58 PM
Have never ridden a Speed Triple but there seems to be a lot for sale in this part of the world. Every bike shop seems to have a least 1, many have 2 that are usually no more than 4 years old. Not sure if that's a good indicator of what they are like.

As I've said, they have a strange riding position.  The older ones have good power, the newer ones have more power.   Little air protection.  Originally, wild styling and now... OK. 

Nice bikes, never turned my crank- until I saw this new one.  I think it rocks but then an even more aggressive riding position.    :embarrassed:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Matteo on September 17, 2021, 01:06:04 PM
I thought it was a foregone conclusion that it was 1000 cc.....(hope it is).

No tellin with this bunch, after all they did name an 850 V7.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 17, 2021, 01:47:32 PM
No tellin with this bunch, after all they did name an 850 V7.
I reckon I saw in one of the release that itís 1000 cc.
(https://i.ibb.co/gMPyTkP/20-E85217-9-EA9-4-C60-A359-660383-BDBCDA.png) (https://ibb.co/gMPyTkP)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: SIR REAL ED on September 18, 2021, 05:00:42 PM
glad they didn't call it the ManJello.....or the Mandible.....

https://www.ktmforums.com/threads/new-2022-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello.137909/

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kremmen on September 19, 2021, 11:43:36 PM
glad they didn't call it the ManJello.....or the Mandible.....

https://www.ktmforums.com/threads/new-2022-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello.137909/

You have to have a membership; I have enough of those to last a lifetime.  :laugh: Just another discussion thread or is there any unique info?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: SIR REAL ED on September 20, 2021, 05:55:14 AM
You have to have a membership; I have enough of those to last a lifetime.  :laugh: Just another discussion thread or is there any unique info?

Oooops, didn't notice that!

No useful information, just a nice picture I had not seen before, but PJPRO1 already posted it at the start of page 2 of this thread.

they also could have called it the Manicotti!  Which my Italian relatives insist on pronouncing as Man-i-gott!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kremmen on September 20, 2021, 09:50:28 AM
Haha! Thanks.

I'll hold off for a sportier v120 or v130 for now. But if that ends up not happening, a Mandello will be part of my stable for sure. I like the name a lot - I think they nailed it with that!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: moto on September 20, 2021, 01:16:17 PM
Don't forget, it's:

"man-dale-lo," not "man-dell-o"!

All self-respecting Guzzisti who say "goot-sie" will henceforth be required to pronounce the new bike's name come un italiano.

You've been warned. :evil:

Moto

P.S. Though I meant the above in fun, I remember a conversation with two card-carrying Ph.D. academics from upper class families in Milano in which I kept trying to tell them about a town they had never heard of called "Man-dell'-o dell laur'-ee-oh" on Lake Como. Though I used the preferred American procedure for making myself understood to foreigners by repeating the same syllables ever more slowly and with increasing volume, I had no luck. Now I wonder if it was my pronunciation, since Mandello is less than 50 miles from Milan.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 26, 2021, 10:03:59 AM
ok boys, money where your mouth is time.....  I just placed a deposit on a new 2022 V100 Mandello Centenario edition to put me first in line with the NC dealer (Team Charlotte)

Hoping to have the first one off the boat, or damn near it.

Any guesses when I will take delivery?  I say by end of May 2022, I have nothing to base that off of!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lazlokovacs on September 26, 2021, 10:55:37 AM
good drills!

I'm gonna wait for some specs at least!!!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on September 26, 2021, 12:31:29 PM
ok boys, money where your mouth is time.....  I just placed a deposit on a new 2022 V100 Mandello Centenario edition to put me first in line with the NC dealer (Team Charlotte)


Did they have the MSRP info, yet? 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: spmoto on September 26, 2021, 01:38:41 PM
I tried to put down a deposit at my nearest dealer, Seacoast sport cycle in NH but they wouldn't take one yet since they had no pricing nor delivery info yet. I'm on a list for a call when they have more.
Steve M
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 27, 2021, 04:56:39 AM
Did they have the MSRP info, yet?

It cant be more than a couple grand over the cost of a v85...  I dont really care, you gotta pay to play, right?  Big question is if the Centenario green one really wears that fully active Ohlins, 'plain' Ohlins, or some other sort of upgraded suspenders on release
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 27, 2021, 05:03:59 AM
I tried to put down a deposit at my nearest dealer, Seacoast sport cycle in NH but they wouldn't take one yet since they had no pricing nor delivery info yet. I'm on a list for a call when they have more.
Steve M

Thats what the first two dealers I called told me. Team Charlotte is my closest dealer, but I called them third based on a minor fumble they made with me a while back.. Nothing egregious. If I need warranty support, I would probably take it to them, so might as well buy the bike there.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on September 27, 2021, 08:09:17 AM
It cant be more than a couple grand over the cost of a v85...  I dont really care, you gotta pay to play, right?  Big question is if the Centenario green one really wears that fully active Ohlins, 'plain' Ohlins, or some other sort of upgraded suspenders on release

Would $17990 put you off the Centenario?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on September 27, 2021, 08:33:01 AM
Would $17990 put you off the Centenario?

basic bike for $12k

top level bike for $14.5

bag/touring package + $1400


Just my guess.  We're two grand apart.

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 27, 2021, 09:16:55 AM
Would $17990 put you off the Centenario?

at that price it would have to have the full monty active ohlins setup front and rear.. plus a full set of nice factory luggage and a centerstand or some heated grips or something!  I would probably bite on that, I know that full ohlins suite bumps the price of the Aprillias and Ducatis that have it by $3.5-4000!  I deff dont want to pay that much, I am hoping it's more like $14-15k- which I am assuming is more of the range. I dont actually care about the computer-controlled suspension, but I will take it if it's the only configuration offered.  The deposit isnt non-refundable or anything and although I indicated a green one, I'm sure they will apply it to whatever v100 they can get.  I dislike the looks of the red one enough that I would probably get it painted if I was forced to settle on that one over the cost of the Ohlins kit.

They have not shown any bags for it yet, and it looks like nowhere to attach a centerstand-- with that hollow rear axle I am betting the will assume ppl use a pit stand or whatever.
Looks like the cruise will be standard based off the switchgear, so luggage, center stand, and maybe heated grips are about the only accessories I could possibly need or want. I dont much go for low seats, engine guards, or aux lights... cant think of anything else they might offer to sweeten the deal at a $18k price point!

So I guess the short answer is no I wouldnt be happy with $17,999 as pictured...  If it had fully active ohlins array, bags and a centerstand and cruise and heated grips I would probably do it, but I wouldnt be thrilled about it.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: PhilB on September 27, 2021, 09:57:57 PM
Would $17990 put you off the Centenario?
If it's a top machine, not at all.  After all I was seriously considering a Motus for almost twice that much.  And the best description of the Motus I ever saw was that it most resembled an "angry Moto Guzzi".

So if they manage to put this thing out there without there being any significant design flaws, I don't see me worrying about the price until we're talking well over $20K.  My main other contender is the Ducati 950SS, and by the time you get the "S" model, and add the luggage and so one, you've looking at over $17K for that.  The other one I want to test is the Kawasaki H2 SX SE, and I think those are over $20K.  The KTM 1290GT is an outside contender, and those are about $20K as well.  So I think I'm going to be spending about that much regardless.

PhilB
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on September 29, 2021, 07:33:32 PM
My first bike was a Yamaha XS750 triple with shaft drive.  Reminiscing on that bike is what led me to purchase the 2010 V7 Cafe Classic because it was 750cc and shaft drive. 

My next triple was the 2014 Triumph Trophy SE.

I've owned 3 I-4 bikes, but not really a fan.  Thumpers, Twins of various configurations are my favorites.  The triples are a good compromise.

I think we've discussed this, but I still have my 1978 750 Triple. Fun bike. Safely tucked away with my 1970 XS1100 till I retire.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucky phil on September 29, 2021, 08:29:20 PM
ok boys, money where your mouth is time.....  I just placed a deposit on a new 2022 V100 Mandello Centenario edition to put me first in line with the NC dealer (Team Charlotte)

Hoping to have the first one off the boat, or damn near it.

Any guesses when I will take delivery?  I say by end of May 2022, I have nothing to base that off of!
Excellent, someone to finish off the R&D and sort out all the early engineering and production issues for me while I wait patiently for a few years till they're sorted. I really appreciate all the work of the early adopters.

Ciao
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 29, 2021, 09:58:41 PM
Excellent, someone to finish off the R&D and sort out all the early engineering and production issues for me while I wait patiently for a few years till they're sorted. I really appreciate all the work of the early adopters.

Ciao
Well Phil.
If it wasnít for those guys, thereíd be nothing to wait for.
 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Socalrob on September 30, 2021, 01:12:19 AM
at that price it would have to have the full monty active ohlins setup front and rear.. plus a full set of nice factory luggage and a centerstand or some heated grips or something!  I would probably bite on that, I know that full ohlins suite bumps the price of the Aprillias and Ducatis that have it by $3.5-4000!  I deff dont want to pay that much, I am hoping it's more like $14-15k- which I am assuming is more of the range. I dont actually care about the computer-controlled suspension, but I will take it if it's the only configuration offered.  The deposit isnt non-refundable or anything and although I indicated a green one, I'm sure they will apply it to whatever v100 they can get.  I dislike the looks of the red one enough that I would probably get it painted if I was forced to settle on that one over the cost of the Ohlins kit.

They have not shown any bags for it yet, and it looks like nowhere to attach a centerstand-- with that hollow rear axle I am betting the will assume ppl use a pit stand or whatever.
Looks like the cruise will be standard based off the switchgear, so luggage, center stand, and maybe heated grips are about the only accessories I could possibly need or want. I dont much go for low seats, engine guards, or aux lights... cant think of anything else they might offer to sweeten the deal at a $18k price point!

So I guess the short answer is no I wouldnt be happy with $17,999 as pictured...  If it had fully active ohlins array, bags and a centerstand and cruise and heated grips I would probably do it, but I wouldnt be thrilled about it.

I may be cross shopping this bike with a BMW R1250RS.   As I would configure that bike itís around $22k with luggage, with active suspension.  I am looking for a used 2020 bike with 5-10k miles, looks like they run around $17k.  Iím hoping the Guzzi comes in at $19k with bags and active Ohlins.  Of course it better have heated grips.

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucky phil on September 30, 2021, 01:51:03 AM
Well Phil.
If it wasnít for those guys, thereíd be nothing to wait for.
 If itís true and you really appreciate their efforts, thereíll doubtless be some tangible evidence of it when you get yours.

I'm quite serious, the early adopters are the sacrificial lambs, they just don't realise it so I appreciate their sacrifice. I have a "rule", never buy the first of any clean sheet model, car or bike. The minimum wait time is 2 years. After 40 years of watching various manufacturers engines evolve in fine detail it's served me well. Along with 2 relatives with long term careers in automotive R&D and testing for GM the chances of me buying a clean sheet model are zero. You can't unlearn some of the things I've seen.
Then you've got the dealership mechanics for which the early adopters bikes as their learning tool. I don't trust dealership mechanics with legacy designs let alone a brand new one. Want to be the first one to get his shim and bucket valve adjustment done on the new model? Doesn't affect me personally as My bikes never see the dealer again after taking delivery but for others that use dealerships for their maintenance, well.   

Ciao
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: PhilB on September 30, 2021, 05:47:59 PM
I'm quite serious, the early adopters are the sacrificial lambs, they just don't realise it so I appreciate their sacrifice. I have a "rule", never buy the first of any clean sheet model, car or bike. The minimum wait time is 2 years. After 40 years of watching various manufacturers engines evolve in fine detail it's served me well. Along with 2 relatives with long term careers in automotive R&D and testing for GM the chances of me buying a clean sheet model are zero. You can't unlearn some of the things I've seen.
Then you've got the dealership mechanics for which the early adopters bikes as their learning tool. I don't trust dealership mechanics with legacy designs let alone a brand new one. Want to be the first one to get his shim and bucket valve adjustment done on the new model? Doesn't affect me personally as My bikes never see the dealer again after taking delivery but for others that use dealerships for their maintenance, well.   

Ciao
That's a fairly common "rule", and I hear a lots of people advise it.  OTOH, the times I've broken it have turned out just fine.  It's not that none of us "realize it"; it's that some of us, for some machines, see the risk, and take it consciously.

In 1993, I wanted a new bike, and what I wanted was an unfaired sporty twin, which there were none of on the market.  Then Ducati premiered their M900 Monster, which was exactly what I had in mind.  Although it was a new model, it was mostly made from existing parts, so I felt the risk was not too high.  They also were unsure how well it would sell, so they were only committing to make it that year, and then see what happened.  I ordered one sight unseen (since they hadn't been brought into the country yet), and waited.  That bike was the best thing I have ever bought; I rode it daily for 24 years and put 265K miles on it.

In 2002, BMW introduced their new Mini Cooper.  It was a clean sheet design, so there was risk there.  But BMW was determined to make a good impression with it with good customer service and support.  My 2002 Mini Cooper S now has 228K miles on it, and it's been a delightful little car.  Not cheap to run -- if it needs something, you're paying BMW prices for it, even though the car is supposed to be cheaper.  But I don't regret it a bit, and expect to keep it until it dies.

This new Moto Guzzi is the first model of a brand new engine design, so I will readily admit to some trepidation, and that it would definitely be a bit of a gamble to jump into.  OTOH, I'm 58, making good money, and don't have infinite riding years left.  So I'm considering it.

PhilB
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on September 30, 2021, 05:52:07 PM
Among the many things we do not know about the V100 is how it sounds. That sound will probably haunt my dreams until I buy one.  :copcar:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on September 30, 2021, 05:59:47 PM
Among the many things we do not know about the V100 is how it sounds. That sound will probably haunt my dreams until I buy one.  :copcar:

Thereís a YouTube video somewhere in this thread of the bike starting and running.

Found itÖ

https://youtu.be/XLPwbhIySOY
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on October 01, 2021, 05:59:52 AM
Thereís a YouTube video somewhere in this thread of the bike starting and running.

Found itÖ

https://youtu.be/XLPwbhIySOY

OK, I remember seeing that but what I meant was how it sounds on the road going through the gears from 4K to redline with aftermarket exhaust. If it sounds anything like my SV650 with M4 headers and 'muffler' it will be glorious... And for anyone who has never ridden a modern V twin, the speed with which the V100 gets to redline will be a revelation in itself.  :shocked:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on October 01, 2021, 06:29:21 AM
there will be the same ratio of early adopters to "waiters" as there always are. it's human nature. personally, i think that is very healthy for the marketplace.
MG seems to have responded better to issues in recent years.  I know there were a few members with catastrophic problems on some 1400s that did not go as well as hoped, but speaking as a former 1400 owner, imo that was never going to be a mainstream bike.  however, the then new V85 is good evidence of a more considered response by the company.  Early on, there were two very minor recalls. I can't remember what they were and mine was not affected, but MG put a blanket one year extension on the warranty of all bikes.  After 18,000 miles, they are going to make my first warranty repair into the extension year. one of the small heat shields vibrated off of the exhaust and they are covering it under warranty.
personally, the V85 is probably my last touring bike until i downsize, but i believe i would buy a V100 when they hit as i did the v85 if in the market for that type of bike.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on October 01, 2021, 10:49:07 AM
I've never bought a brand-new/clean-sheet model of anything, and only bought one brand new vehicle before in my life! But I figure if you want to support the brand, someone has to take the bait. Might as well be me.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on October 01, 2021, 11:15:08 AM
Some lead, most follow.  Takes courage. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on October 01, 2021, 01:28:49 PM
I have bought a couple of first model year vehicles. The first was an R75/5. I first saw it announced in Cycle magazine. I put a deposit on one the next day. I got the first one in Denver, it was a good bike. I had a couple of issues, the CV carbs didn't work right. BMW replaced them right away and infact since I was putting a lot of mileage in a short amount of time they were actually as kind of a beta tester keeping an eye on my bike. The stator went bad at some point, the only problems I had.

My other is a 2013 Heavy Duty Ram, first year with major frame and some other changes. I've only had a couple of recall issues, supposed improper welding on a drag link support bracket, they were hand welded but mine was fine. The DEF system need an upgrade which was done. The tie rod link clamp may not be tightened properly, no issue there either. Overall the truck has been excellent with not a single issue affecting me. I think some manufacturers are going overboard on recalls due to some of the litigation that has plagued some manufaturers in recent years. I am not afraid of first year products and now that I think about it somemore while typing this, I had one of the first Chrysler Sebring convertibles. Not one issue with it.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on October 02, 2021, 05:07:21 PM
I'm happy for those who have plunked $$ down for one of the new Mandello's.  I also have a hankering for one of the new 850's, and am hoping that they come out with a Carbon Bright model.

I'm looking forward to seeing them in dealers though, and a full on Norge style replacement would be a game changer for me, especially if the ergo's were right.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on October 03, 2021, 07:48:21 AM
i was at cadre last week and was told that they have several deposits already. it was the same when the v85tt came out.  this is great momentum for our little brand.  what a change from 20 years ago.  even the last of the norge, stelvio, v9, 1400 and even some of the v7 series have recently been available as left overs at least one model year old. much more profitable for piaggio to sell them without having to offer incentives and for dealers not to have to floorplan them. i'm stoked as this demand may encourage piaggio to bring on the variants sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bmp72 on October 04, 2021, 04:28:15 AM
Wonder if I would fit on it (6ft4) ?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on October 04, 2021, 10:30:58 AM
i was at cadre last week and was told that they have several deposits already. it was the same when the v85tt came out.  this is great momentum for our little brand.  what a change from 20 years ago. 

Twenty years ago Guzzi was selling the V11 Sport (which sold pretty well) and all the California related cruiser variants (which in combination sold pretty well).  Thirty years ago wasnít so good.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on October 04, 2021, 10:50:20 AM
No, they really didnít sell particularly well.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bulwnkl on October 07, 2021, 07:14:11 PM
I bought a first-year Mazda. It was brilliant! Also bought a first-year Honda NC700X (s/n: 57). Itís also been a rock-solid machine. A first year Chevy (ages ago) was worse than a money pit.

I think this new bike looks pretty good. Iím looking for a 100% 2-up tourer now (can a 1400 Cali or Eldo do that well?), so not for me, but Iím glad theyíre making the changeover to meet new emissions regs.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on October 08, 2021, 06:49:28 AM
Tus:  What I meant to say and must not have said it very well was 20 years ago(ish), there were left overs aplenty and what does pretty well mean, a few hundred of each model? I drove 400 miles with a friend in 2004 to pick up a left over 2001 Stone.  Do you remember a time when such a large number of deposits were taken on bikes (including the V85, now on the V100) before they arrived?  I can't, but maybe that is just senility creeping in.
Ciao
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on October 08, 2021, 08:31:27 AM
Do you remember a time when such a large number of deposits were taken on bikes (including the V85, now on the V100) before they arrived?  I can't, but maybe that is just senility creeping in.
Ciao

I was on the phone with Team Charlotte Moto yesterday discussing my deposit as a matter of fact. I put mine in 9/25, they told me I'm first on the list, and that 3 other folks had put down a deposit for one since I placed my order!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on October 08, 2021, 08:34:07 AM
I was on the phone with Team Charlotte Moto yesterday discussing my deposit as a matter of fact. I put mine in 9/25, they told me I'm first on the list, and that 3 other folks had put down a deposit for one since I placed my order!

Which version did you order?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on October 08, 2021, 08:54:31 AM
Which version did you order?

They have me down for the green one.  It remains to be seen if it really come spec'd with the active ohlins setup and how that affects cost...  I really want the Centanario color scheme, but not sure I can stomach a $3-4k premium for the computerized suspension. That seems to be the markup on similarly equipped Ducati & Aprillia bikes... 

In a perfect world I would choose Green with standard suspension... but if that one only comes with ohlins, then I will have a decision to make.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on October 08, 2021, 12:54:00 PM
They have me down for the green one.  It remains to be seen if it really come spec'd with the active ohlins setup and how that affects cost...  I really want the Centanario color scheme, but not sure I can stomach a $3-4k premium for the computerized suspension. That seems to be the markup on similarly equipped Ducati & Aprillia bikes... 

In a perfect world I would choose Green with standard suspension... but if that one only comes with ohlins, then I will have a decision to make.

Having owned and ridden a few Ohlins-equipped bikes over the years (Guzzis and Ducatis), the premium will be worth it!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on October 08, 2021, 01:11:13 PM
Having owned and ridden a few Ohlins-equipped bikes over the years (Guzzis and Ducatis), the premium will be worth it!

Oh no doubt! but the computer-assisted active suspension? Might be overkill...  But I'm getting the bike either way, maybe I will be singing its praises in a few months?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucky phil on October 09, 2021, 02:38:51 AM
Having owned and ridden a few Ohlins-equipped bikes over the years (Guzzis and Ducatis), the premium will be worth it!

Well, hmm. I've been riding Ohlins equipped bike for 35 years and while the OEM stuff is decent it's nothing to rave about. There's a lot of oem Ohlins hype around that's for sure. My first Ohlins equipped bike used the exact same forks as they used on the 500 GP bikes at the time then they went to their "production" suspension for the manufacturers. I ditched the std " production" Ohlins on my 1198S and replaced them with the "road and track" versions FGRT803 and TTX shock, proper Ohlins suspension and far superior. Depends on the premium you need to pay really. Ducati people often buy the base model and then upgrade the suspension to the " serious Ohlins" as the overall cost is cheaper and you get the superior quality suspension.

Ciao
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: krglorioso on October 09, 2021, 11:40:43 PM
That's a fairly common "rule", and I hear a lots of people advise it.  OTOH, the times I've broken it have turned out just fine.  It's not that none of us "realize it"; it's that some of us, for some machines, see the risk, and take it consciously.

In 1993, I wanted a new bike, and what I wanted was an unfaired sporty twin, which there were none of on the market.  Then Ducati premiered their M900 Monster, which was exactly what I had in mind.  Although it was a new model, it was mostly made from existing parts, so I felt the risk was not too high.  They also were unsure how well it would sell, so they were only committing to make it that year, and then see what happened.  I ordered one sight unseen (since they hadn't been brought into the country yet), and waited.  That bike was the best thing I have ever bought; I rode it daily for 24 years and put 265K miles on it.

In 2002, BMW introduced their new Mini Cooper.  It was a clean sheet design, so there was risk there.  But BMW was determined to make a good impression with it with good customer service and support.  My 2002 Mini Cooper S now has 228K miles on it, and it's been a delightful little car.  Not cheap to run -- if it needs something, you're paying BMW prices for it, even though the car is supposed to be cheaper.  But I don't regret it a bit, and expect to keep it until it dies.

This new Moto Guzzi is the first model of a brand new engine design, so I will readily admit to some trepidation, and that it would definitely be a bit of a gamble to jump into.  OTOH, I'm 58, making good money, and don't have infinite riding years left.  So I'm considering it.

PhilB

Phil:  26 years ago, I said, "I'm 58.  Don't have that many years of riding left".  I rode just over 300 miles last week.  I don't know how many years of riding I have left!!

Ralph
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on October 11, 2021, 10:33:26 AM
Phil:  26 years ago, I said, "I'm 58.  Don't have that many years of riding left".  I rode just over 300 miles last week.  I don't know how many years of riding I have left!!

Ralph

Funny you say that. At 50, I thought I was winding down and tiring of riding. I was on an FJR at the time, and bored. I discovered Guzzi, and converted by a 4V Griso, which re-ignited my love of riding. 58 now, and there is no looking back, and I say with all respect that all you old guys inspire me with hope that I will be able to keep at it for at least another 20 years, and excited at the prospect of 20 years of post retirement 2 wheeled bliss..... Yes, I want to be like Bill Hagan  :bow: :evil:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ScepticalScotty on October 11, 2021, 11:23:25 AM
That's interesting what you say Bulldog. Maybe for another post, but I find that the fire in me to ride has waxed and waned, but never gone out since I hit road in 1995 (I was previously an off road trial dude and general kid riding around in the bush in the 80s....). If I find I'm a bit down on riding, I try and plan for a trip to somewhere not local - Wales usually does the trick for a long weekend, Scotland for a week, and Europe if I have more time and money. I always come back filled with the joys of riding...
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on November 23, 2021, 05:50:49 AM
..... excited at the prospect of 20 years of post retirement 2 wheeled bliss..... Yes, I want to be like Bill Hagan  :bow: :evil:

Me too, me too!

I'm 53.   My current plan is to retire at 59 1/2, by then the house is paid for, our daughter will hopefully be done with college, and I can start collecting my 401k w/o penalty.   The wildcard, is, of course, how much will health insurance cost.  I'm hoping to fill that gap by stuffing as much into my 401k Roth as I can so my taxable income in the gap years until I qualify for medicare can be minimal.

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: vintage53 on November 23, 2021, 05:55:43 AM
 
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News should be coming out from Milan today!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: skippy on November 23, 2021, 07:05:58 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/KqtDhVc/MG51699472861-d932c9e9c5-b.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KqtDhVc)


News should be coming out from Milan today!

 :popcorn:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on November 23, 2021, 07:13:11 AM
WOW, just WOWÖ
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on November 23, 2021, 07:26:45 AM
I think these are just load-in days? Doesnt ECIMA officially start 11/25?

Motorcycle.com is saying the claimed HP is 115
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on November 23, 2021, 07:37:59 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FE4XJKxXMAAgmwb?format=jpg&name=medium)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FE4Xa5HXMAUFiV4?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: vintage53 on November 23, 2021, 07:40:59 AM
I think today starts for Local Press.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on November 23, 2021, 07:45:06 AM
I think these are just load-in days? Doesnt ECIMA officially start 11/25?

Motorcycle.com is saying the claimed HP is 115

Pfft... Only 115 HP?  :evil: :laugh:  Still haven't seen the price though. :popcorn:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on November 23, 2021, 07:48:08 AM
I dont think my 2v 1100 Breva has 80, so this will be a nice upgrade. I'll take 115, esp if it weighs 30-60lb less than the big B
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on November 23, 2021, 07:49:38 AM
It is annoying that neither bike on display is showing with factory luggage or a centerstand tho  :undecided:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on November 23, 2021, 07:55:10 AM
When these were first previewed I was immediately drawn to the Tenni green Centanario but the more I look the more I'm beginning to prefer the red. Perhaps it's the mono-color but it just looks smoother/cleaner.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: SLDMRossi on November 23, 2021, 08:06:02 AM
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Moto Guzzi V100 Mandello, a First Step Toward 2121
ď100Ē as in the history written during its first century, one of passion, skill, innovation, and success, both sporting and commercial. ď100Ē as in the second century that has just begun. ď100Ē to indicate, as is Moto Guzzi tradition, the displacement of the very modern new engine, the basis for a family of new generation motorcycles that will come to light in the future.

Moto Guzzi V100 Mandello will mark the start of a brand-new chapter in the Moto Guzzi story. A bike that refuses to conform or fit into just one category, it will combine dynamic flair with the travel vocation that lives in the soul of every Moto Guzzi. A never-before-seen Moto Guzzi, one characterized by cutting-edge technology, as the brand paves the way towards the future with innovative technical solutions and aerodynamics.

V100 Mandello will also present an innovative design which, as with all Moto Guzzis, focuses on showcasing the unique and inimitable v-twin engine. Lines that are far from nostalgic and that offer a modern take on the very cornerstones of Moto Guzzi style. This is clear to see in the shapes of the tank, which appear to be molded directly to the muscular engine heads, in the under-seat side panels, the slots of which are a clear reference to the legendary 1976 Le Mans, and in the top fairing, a tribute to the 1981 Le Mans 850 III. A 21st century bike, in its style and technology, that embodies the character and authenticity typical of all Moto Guzzis.

Moto Guzzi V100 Mandello will represent a turning point in the brand's history, the project introducing some very important technological innovations. It will be the very first motorcycle to offer adaptive aerodynamics, and the first Moto Guzzi to be equipped with advanced electronic solutions such as the six-axis inertial platform, cornering ABS, semi-active suspension, and the quick shifter, to cite just a few of the most important features.

And it will be the first Moto Guzzi to be powered by the new ďcompact blockĒ engine, with its sophisticated technical characteristics. Tradition is respected with the 90į transverse V architecture of the twin, which guarantees that unique torque delivery and inimitable Moto Guzzi sound, but the project is in fact all new.

An innovative design has allowed for the development of an extremely compact and lightweight engine, which is 103 mm shorter than the V85 TT small block. The new twin stands out from all the engines recently built in Mandello del Lario for its cylinder heads, which are rotated by 90į, a decision that increases on-board comfort and rationalizes the positioning of components in the intake and electronic injection systems.

Its actual displacement equates to 1042cc, while timing involves a double overhead camshaft with finger followers and four valves per cylinder, which are chain driven. It also flaunts a wet sump lubrication system, a liquid cooling system, and a hydraulically controlled wet clutch.
Performance is second to none, with power more than 115 HP and torque of more than 105 Nm, with 90% already available at 3500 rpm and the limiter set at 9500 rpm. Data that effectively showcases the character and power of the new engine, gutsy and with real drive already at low speeds, and able to offer a riding experience worthy of the Moto Guzzi name.

The shaft drive employs a long aluminum single-sided swingarm, now positioned on the left. The drive shaft exit position, much lower with respect to previous Moto Guzzi engines, does away with any suspension reaction owing to the transfer of torque, with no need for linkage on the swingarm. This makes for a smooth ride during both acceleration and release, like that offered by a chain drive, but with the typical advantages of the shaft, so less maintenance and greater cleanliness.

The sports character of V100 Mandello does not just have to do with the performance of the new engine, but also the qualities of a compact and manageable chassis, which offers excitement through the turns and fast sections but also real stability over more long-range trips, with that inimitable front wheel feeling, synonymous with fun and riding pleasure. This is also thanks to the steel tube frame with 1486 mm wheelbase, fruit of a first-rate Moto Guzzi construction culture and ideal for showcasing the bike's agility.

Its touring attitude is boosted thanks to the significant comfort that the generous saddle and active, relaxed riding position afford. The adoption of a single variable-section aluminum handlebar is in line with the philosophy of the model, perfect for ensuring control during sports riding while also offering a higher and more relaxed riding position when touring. Two-person travel is at the base of the project, the passenger able to count on a significant, well-padded portion of saddle and practical grab handles, with a posture that ensures a relaxing trip. The comprehensive, dedicated accessories catalogue also includes a set of bike cases, which do not require any additional supports for assembly and contain both the side bulk and weight of the bike. Moto Guzzi technology also contributes to increasing both comfort and air protection, with the world-first adoption of an adaptive aerodynamic system that automatically adjusts the position of deflectors on the sides of the 17.5-liter tank depending on the speed and selected Riding Mode. The fully raised aerodynamic appendages reduce air pressure on the rider by 22%, which brings V100 Mandello close to the level of air protection afforded by more voluminous and less sporty tourers, thanks also to the protection provided by the top fairing, the height of which can be electronically adjusted.

This system contributes to what is a first-rate electronics package, comprising the Ride by Wire electronic accelerator for precise performance and consumption control, the advanced Marelli 11MP ECU, the six-axis inertial platform for effective management of the electronic controls, cruise control, and Cornering ABS to ensure active safety when braking through the turns.

Four Riding Modes are available, namely Travel, Sport, Rain and Road. Each of these manages three different engine mappings, four levels of traction control, three levels of engine brake and (in the version that introduces them as standard) also calibration of the ÷hlins Smart EC 2.0 semi-active suspension, which can adapt automatically, minute by minute, to suit the type of riding and the road conditions, for the best possible bike behavior in any situation.

As ever, Moto Guzzi technology does not only aim to ensure a safe and exciting ride, but also facilitate life on-board. The rider need only select the Riding Mode that best suits their riding requirements to benefit from the best automatic adjustment of the electronic parameters, which can also be personalized so that every rider can find their preferred settings. Also included as standard is the 5" color TFT instrumentation, full LED lighting with DRL and the ďbending lightsĒ system with a pair of additional lights that illuminate the entire corner, increasing visibility when leaning.

V100 Mandello is available in two versions, which differ in terms of their trim. The more comprehensive version includes ÷hlins semi-active suspension as standard, but also the quick shift, heated hand grips, and the Moto Guzzi MIA multimedia platform that allows a smartphone to be connected to the instrumentation via Bluetooth to extend its functions. Moto Guzzi MIA includes both the infotainment system for management of the voice assistant, phone calls and music via the intuitive handlebar controls, and the GPS function, which allows the rider to view directions directly on the instrument panel once a destination is set on the smartphone.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: pebra on November 23, 2021, 08:38:11 AM
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An innovative design has allowed for the development of an extremely compact and lightweight engine, which is 103 mm shorter than the V85 TT small block. The new twin stands out from all the engines recently built in Mandello del Lario for its cylinder heads, which are rotated by 90į, a decision that increases on-board comfort and rationalizes the positioning of components in the intake and electronic injection systems.

Its actual displacement equates to 1042cc, while timing involves a double overhead camshaft with finger followers and four valves per cylinder, which are chain driven. It also flaunts a wet sump lubrication system, a liquid cooling system, and a hydraulically controlled wet clutch.

Performance is second to none, with power more than 115 HP and torque of more than 105 Nm, with 90% already available at 3500 rpm and the limiter set at 9500 rpm. Data that effectively showcases the character and power of the new engine, gutsy and with real drive already at low speeds, and able to offer a riding experience worthy of the Moto Guzzi name.


Sounds very promising!

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 23, 2021, 08:48:28 AM
Wow! :afro:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: spmoto on November 23, 2021, 09:06:24 AM
Second that, WOW!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Fredrik on November 23, 2021, 09:22:39 AM
IMHO cant i see what is so special with the V100 except the liquid cooling. The design reminds of a Honda CBF500, i acually did expect more from Guzzi. But again imho.  :afro:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 23, 2021, 09:24:47 AM
Did you actually read the whole press release?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on November 23, 2021, 09:34:19 AM
Cycle World:

https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-news/2022-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-first-look/?fbclid=IwAR1-AJPKZ0ZpZhJRg1gVW1ZH8My3kR9VL3T4bi-xdB6_DwrenrgzTRX-jkc
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on November 23, 2021, 09:40:22 AM
It is annoying that neither bike on display is showing with factory luggage or a centerstand tho  :undecided:

 Looking at this Cycle World photo, seems like it will be difficult to mount a center stand.

https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-news/2022-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-first-look/?fbclid=IwAR1-AJPKZ0ZpZhJRg1gVW1ZH8My3kR9VL3T4bi-xdB6_DwrenrgzTRX-jkc
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: AJ Huff on November 23, 2021, 09:43:09 AM
I find it ugly, not my taste in bike. But very excited to see this jump in technology and what may come out next.


(https://i.ibb.co/0FQPZVZ/YB5-XWCCSVRDIPB5-VIOFNAKWASQ.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0FQPZVZ)


-AJ
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on November 23, 2021, 09:51:19 AM
Yep, between the cat box and lack of lower rails, I dont think it's going to be an option.  I'll finally have to break down and get a rear wheel stand.  I know it's dumb but thats a bummer to me, I always want a center stand... esp if you are loading and unloading bags, etc.  I just think aesthetically, every bike looks better on a center stand than a side stand.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on November 23, 2021, 09:53:48 AM
One of very few "new" motorcycles that hit the button for me.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on November 23, 2021, 10:01:47 AM
"I just think aesthetically, every bike looks better on a center stand than a side stand."

Yes, I agree. Looks like the Cat would have to be removed to install a center stand.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Craig in Alabama on November 23, 2021, 10:10:54 AM
I love it!
I got a 2021 Yamaha Tracer 9 GT a couple months ago and the V100 Mandello has all the tech that the Yamaha has. Plus shaft drive and it's a Guzzi! I would buy one of these.
For anyone who hasn't tried one, quickshifters are really fun. I hope luggage is available.

Cheers!
Craig
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on November 23, 2021, 10:13:10 AM
(https://www.cycleworld.com/resizer/Onl7SxtVZguzJYI1rBwsJSCiiOE=/1440x0/smart/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/octane/7CRF4WYSSBFKBCD4EGMM7YEJY4.jpg)

I think it's a nice looking bike, yes a bit on the conservative side but it's a good start and a great platform for a real modern LeMans. Of course with more HP.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on November 23, 2021, 10:15:11 AM
A minor hijack here.  For EICMA Moto Guzzi developed a special version of the V85 for the Cuirassiers of Italyís Presidential Honor Guard, which presents quite elegantly in black graphics with white accents:


(https://advrider.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/2022-MOTO-GUZZI-V85-TT-GUARDIA-D-ONORE-3-scaled.jpg)

My bad, I saw this was posted earlier. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Fredrik on November 23, 2021, 10:22:53 AM
Did you actually read the whole press release?

Of course, still havent found what is ĒspecialĒ.  :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: motogoro on November 23, 2021, 10:32:43 AM
(https://www.cycleworld.com/resizer/Onl7SxtVZguzJYI1rBwsJSCiiOE=/1440x0/smart/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/octane/7CRF4WYSSBFKBCD4EGMM7YEJY4.jpg)

I think it's a nice looking bike, yes a bit on the conservative side but it's a good start and a great platform for a real modern LeMans. Of course with more HP.

Ooh!  Shiny! New!  It's very pretty! 
I second Blackcat's comment. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: SLDMRossi on November 23, 2021, 10:36:28 AM
See my other "V85 TT ... EIMCA" thread and please post black-white V85 image there. I can never seem to get photo's to post.

Thanks,

SR
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on November 23, 2021, 10:37:46 AM
Of course, still havent found what is ĒspecialĒ.  :lipsrsealed:

What could they do to make it 'special'?  All new engine, liquid cooled, downdraft induction and 4-valve heads.. the most powerful Guzzi in history. Shorter, lighter block & trans, shorter wheelbase. Wet clutch eliminates bellhousing and heavy flywheel, 10k redline. Cutting edge electronics, ride by wire with 12 various ride modes, factory cruise & heated grips, adjustable windscreen and aerodynamic foils, LED lighting and LCD display. All new swing arm with no reaction arm and beautiful forged wheels...

Sounds like you just dont like how it looks? Cause it has dozens of features no Guzzi ever has had and it's a complete new design outside of anything they have ever done.  What in your mind would make it more 'special'?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Fredrik on November 23, 2021, 10:41:42 AM
What could they do to make it 'special'?  All new engine, liquid cooled, downdraft induction and 4-valve heads.. the most powerful Guzzi in history. Shorter, lighter block & trans, shorter wheelbase. Wet clutch eliminates bellhousing and heavy flywheel, 10k redline. Cutting edge electronics, ride by wire with 12 various ride modes, factory cruise & heated grips, adjustable windscreen and aerodynamic foils, LED lighting and LCD display. All new swing arm with no reaction arm and beautiful forged wheels...

Sounds like you just dont like how it looks? Cause it has dozens of features no Guzzi ever has had and it's a complete new design outside of anything they have ever done.  What in your mind would make it more 'special'?

Yes, it is mostly the looks. Agree the tech is new to Guzzi.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 23, 2021, 11:17:40 AM
new v100 video, lots of sound
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDQ8Kpbqdvs
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 23, 2021, 11:27:04 AM
I dont think my 2v 1100 Breva has 80, so this will be a nice upgrade. I'll take 115, esp if it weighs 30-60lb less than the big B

Not so fast buster, if your breva is like all the rest to come out of Mandelo, it is said to make 86hp!   But point taken, 30 more ponies and better be less weight, sounds Great!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on November 23, 2021, 11:34:15 AM
And then there is this: "The engineís overall length is 4 inches less than Guzziís ďsmall blockĒ V85."
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: sdcr on November 23, 2021, 11:35:45 AM
Iím just glad they didnít paint it some shade of flat grey.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on November 23, 2021, 11:41:15 AM
new v100 video, lots of sound
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDQ8Kpbqdvs

Funny video with the airplane but it's cool to see the bike being ridden.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on November 23, 2021, 11:50:38 AM
Funny video with the airplane but it's cool to see the bike being ridden.

I am guessing they are paying respect to the Guzzi Homage as the eagle of Guzzi came from the Italian air force as one of the founder of the Guzzi was a pilot.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rustygman on November 23, 2021, 11:52:00 AM
That looks and sounds fantastic and what a spec. Sadly way out of my price range but I hope Guzzi do well with this bike.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 23, 2021, 11:55:57 AM
This ones got much more real world sound.   Posted by Stevex on another thread, but I thought it belongs here too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDQ8Kpbqdvs
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on November 23, 2021, 11:57:27 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/NVJ5zQt/image.png) (https://ibb.co/NVJ5zQt)


Yup it is a wet clutch!

I am REALLY curious on how the new clutch system works.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: pebra on November 23, 2021, 12:41:28 PM
We haven't seen weight figures yet????

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: janguzzi on November 23, 2021, 12:59:08 PM
Moto Guzzi V100 Mandello | Technologically Advanced and one-of-a-kind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDQ8Kpbqdvs
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Johncolleary on November 23, 2021, 01:11:44 PM
I like it.  Hope they make a stelvio version.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on November 23, 2021, 01:19:59 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/NVJ5zQt/image.png) (https://ibb.co/NVJ5zQt)


Yup it is a wet clutch!

I am REALLY curious on how the new clutch system works.

wet sump engine and a wet clutch... I still dont think they share lube tho.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on November 23, 2021, 01:28:35 PM
wet sump engine and a wet clutch... I still dont think they share lube tho.

That's Italian for hydraulically actuated clutch - no cable. My guess is they DO share the same lube.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Iron Cross Junction on November 23, 2021, 01:29:32 PM
We haven't seen weight figures yet????

Waiting for those, too.

Bill
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dirk_S on November 23, 2021, 01:48:37 PM
The swap of drive from right to left should help those rear tire changes sans-center stand.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on November 23, 2021, 01:54:38 PM
The swap of drive from right to left should help those rear tire changes sans-center stand.

?!?  :huh:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dirk_S on November 23, 2021, 02:04:58 PM
?!?  :huh:

The bike lies toward the left when propped by its kickstand. This makes installing a rear wheel a bit aggravating on the bikes where the drive is on the right, because the wheel easily wants to slide right off the splines (thanks for nothing, gravity). Even when a bike is on its center stand the wheel can still tend to dangle off. But with the splines on the left side now, the wheel should be able to rest on the splines when you're trying to get all the spacers aligned for the axle to pop through.

...or am I the only one that found that process to be bear?

Shoot... I am, aren't I.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on November 23, 2021, 02:19:25 PM
The bike lies toward the left when propped by its kickstand. This makes installing a rear wheel a bit aggravating on the bikes where the drive is on the right, because the wheel easily wants to slide right off the splines (thanks for nothing, gravity). Even when a bike is on its center stand the wheel can still tend to dangle off. But with the splines on the left side now, the wheel should be able to rest on the splines when you're trying to get all the spacers aligned for the axle to pop through.

...or am I the only one that found that process to be bear?

Shoot... I am, aren't I.

I can't say I've ever bothered trying to remove/install a wheel on a bike that wasn't:

* On a Centerstand
* On a lift/jack

I can't think of a single time I tried in on a sidestand?!?!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dirk_S on November 23, 2021, 02:44:32 PM
I can't say I've ever bothered trying to remove/install a wheel on a bike that wasn't:

* On a Centerstand
* On a lift/jack

I can't think of a single time I tried in on a sidestand?!?!

Youíd have to use a jack of some sort to prop the rear right side up while doing it. Itís a popular topic for the off-road and ADV crowd who wish to avoid added weight of a center stand. Some make their own, others skip on creativity and go for a product like the Snap Jack:

 https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/tirox-snapjack-v2?gclid=CjwKCAiAv_KMBhAzEiwAs-rX1E0ZUOQRnIwh2QvoD8lMSJivnC-eeHztReZCeXG0D9vloDmI45bGVxoCoUIQAvD_BwE&sku_id=1788167 (https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/tirox-snapjack-v2?gclid=CjwKCAiAv_KMBhAzEiwAs-rX1E0ZUOQRnIwh2QvoD8lMSJivnC-eeHztReZCeXG0D9vloDmI45bGVxoCoUIQAvD_BwE&sku_id=1788167)

I modified a piece of aluminum crutch similar to this fellaís version:


(https://i.ibb.co/GcRNvf0/8-ED2-C384-4228-40-EB-A3-B3-0-EA2457-BED13.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GcRNvf0)

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Öand have used it for general propping of the rear, but realized too late that it would cause me a ruptured artery from stress if I tried to change a tire with this over a center stand due to the drive splines being on the right side (elevated side).
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on November 23, 2021, 03:09:55 PM
Youíd have to use a jack of some sort to prop the rear right side up while doing it. Itís a popular topic for the off-road and ADV crowd who wish to avoid added weight of a center stand. Some make their own, others skip on creativity and go for a product like the Snap Jack:
>SNIP<

Have used a SnapJack on more than one occasion but not to remove a rear wheel. Works well and would be stable enough for wheel removal if placed correctly.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on November 23, 2021, 03:54:14 PM


(https://scontent.ffco2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/241665636_10157824150967504_993019469515687868_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=MtSITvb4EHEAX80onbE&_nc_ht=scontent.ffco2-1.fna&oh=88499cdf5e9ba673c9e20e1f7914fe84&oe=61601128)

 

Dogwalker,

What's the latest from the streets of Mandello ??
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on November 23, 2021, 04:00:31 PM
at that price it would have to have the full monty active ohlins setup front and rear.. plus a full set of nice factory luggage and a centerstand or some heated grips or something!  I would probably bite on that, I know that full ohlins suite bumps the price of the Aprillias and Ducatis that have it by $3.5-4000!  I deff dont want to pay that much, I am hoping it's more like $14-15k- which I am assuming is more of the range. I dont actually care about the computer-controlled suspension, but I will take it if it's the only configuration offered.  The deposit isnt non-refundable or anything and although I indicated a green one, I'm sure they will apply it to whatever v100 they can get.  I dislike the looks of the red one enough that I would probably get it painted if I was forced to settle on that one over the cost of the Ohlins kit.

They have not shown any bags for it yet, and it looks like nowhere to attach a centerstand-- with that hollow rear axle I am betting the will assume ppl use a pit stand or whatever.
Looks like the cruise will be standard based off the switchgear, so luggage, center stand, and maybe heated grips are about the only accessories I could possibly need or want. I dont much go for low seats, engine guards, or aux lights... cant think of anything else they might offer to sweeten the deal at a $18k price point!

So I guess the short answer is no I wouldnt be happy with $17,999 as pictured...  If it had fully active ohlins array, bags and a centerstand and cruise and heated grips I would probably do it, but I wouldnt be thrilled about it.

I saw a comment of 15,500 Euro, so we may be looking at my previously guessed price, here in The USA.

I'll bet the Ohlins-equipped bike starts at $17,990 USD.

Anxious to see more from the show.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on November 23, 2021, 04:18:23 PM
I'd guess the base model will come in under $12k. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: mojohand on November 23, 2021, 04:36:47 PM
I didn't buy the KTM Grand Duke GT because it didn't have the ability to mount a center stand.

I cannot fathom a sport-touring bike without a center stand. Seems small to some, but it's a deal-killer for me. Too many times having to fix a flat on the side of the road = a need for a center stand.

YMMV.

Really. Really. Sad.  :sad:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on November 23, 2021, 04:38:16 PM
I sincerly hope I have to eat these words, but, there is no way an E5 bike sounds that good stock.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 23, 2021, 04:51:16 PM
Just asking, as to date in my 38 years of street riding I have never had a tire issue.   If you're running tubeless, you can generally fix it on the bike, no wheel removal needed, unless bigger issues.   If that all makes sense, then as nice as a center stand is, why would it be a deal breaker?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on November 23, 2021, 05:48:46 PM
Perhaps a center stand will be an aftermarket option...one hopes.  Either that, or one will have to buy another chock.  I wonder if my V11 rear wheel stand would work on the new V100...
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Rebochi on November 23, 2021, 05:49:27 PM
wet sump engine and a wet clutch... I still dont think they share lube tho.

  The engine oil is shared with the Transmission. The Mandello uses the same clutch/ engine/gearbox layout as a Honda CX 500/650 or a BMW 1200LC.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucky phil on November 23, 2021, 06:21:18 PM
Just asking, as to date in my 38 years of street riding I have never had a tire issue.   If you're running tubeless, you can generally fix it on the bike, no wheel removal needed, unless bigger issues.   If that all makes sense, then as nice as a center stand is, why would it be a deal breaker?

Same here. A centre stand is a nice to have thing and one of my bikes has one but it's a mile away from a deal breaker for me esp as you point out with modern day tubeless tyres. Back in the 50/60's it was highly desirable even a necessity as is demonstrated by triumphs etc having a front wheel stand as well. You'd be lucky indeed to ride 5 thousand KLMs back then without a puncture which meant wheel off and tyre irons out. maybe the hint is in the category the new bike fits......Spotrs Tourer not Tourer  

Ciao
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lazlokovacs on November 23, 2021, 07:12:01 PM
centre stand schmenter stand

whats the deal with the long swingarm but no reactive rod?

If there are 115 bhp getting anywhere near the rear wheel there's gonna be some torque reaction for sure

am I missing something?

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: paul in rochester on November 23, 2021, 07:50:35 PM
The green/silver scheme made me think of a Benelli.

Not a bad thing, mind you.


Paul
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: OldMojo on November 23, 2021, 07:52:51 PM
  The engine oil is shared with the Transmission. The Mandello uses the same clutch/ engine/gearbox layout as a Honda CX 500/650 or a BMW 1200LC.

I suppose that's the end of using regular auto oil  :sad:

Let the oil threads begin anew!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on November 23, 2021, 08:10:21 PM
Maybe the center stand crisis can be put on HOLD until we have all the info?  Perhaps?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on November 23, 2021, 10:15:33 PM


whats the deal with the long swingarm but no reactive rod?

If there are 115 bhp getting anywhere near the rear wheel there's gonna be some torque reaction for sure

am I missing something?

You're missing geometry.

It is said that a reaction system is not needed due to pivot points and swinger angles

Does seem a little odd, but we'll see...
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kildareman on November 24, 2021, 03:35:43 AM
I sincerly hope I have to eat these words, but, there is no way an E5 bike sounds that good stock.

The v7 850 sounds pretty good out the box, although the silencers look weren't to my taste. Thank God for Mistrals. See no reason why the v100 won't/doesn't sound good. Certainly the exhaust looks gorgeous and shows off the rear end really well.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: aklawok on November 24, 2021, 04:27:33 AM
 with the cylinder heads turned 90deg. I speculate a single injection unit mebe with 2 injectors or not? possible ram air type air induction as well, big tech improvement! my guess as to claimed HP was spot on @115.
this is definitely a 120-130HP. class  motor detuned for the green police, plenty of meat on the bone will be left for the real tuners!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on November 24, 2021, 05:18:43 AM
The look is really growing on me, and compared to the other insectoid offerings across the spectrum, even BMW, this is looking great.  Not a big fan of green and grey, but it would be cool to have the 100 year anniversary colors. The "Flourish and embellishments' in the Italian to English translations crack me up.

Unless it floors me when I see it in person, a Mandello V100 won't find it's way into my garage, even with full luggage. A Norge replacement in red with full fairings? That's different. I love my 1200 Sport. Well, Bobs (Ohio Rider) 1200 Sport  :grin: and only miss the full fairing of the Norge. I cant see moving on from it for another 1/2 to mid fairing ST rides. A Full Faring bike with integrated luggage would be hard to resist.

"Special" is a subjective term. Without a doubt this is a major step forward in securing Guzzi's future, and IMO the V100 is one of the better if not best looking mid-fairing STs bikes out there. I'm glad it is conservative and classic (cause you know conservative and classy go together) in styling.  The riding position looks OK, maybe a little tight, but hard to guess by pictures.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on November 24, 2021, 06:03:13 AM
I sincerly hope I have to eat these words, but, there is no way an E5 bike sounds that good stock.

In recent years H-D was able to increase the sound level from the exhaust because they made the motor so quiet... :popcorn:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on November 24, 2021, 06:23:36 AM
jwin:  i was going to point that out as well.  i like the new styling.  i too have seen enough insectoid (great word) bikes to last the rest of my life.  $20,000 bikes are in my past now, but if I was still in that market, this presses the right buttons for me except for the tech (don't laugh).  If they made one that was just the plain bike with a good, manually adjustable, but not electronically adjustable suspension, simple ABS and of course, cruise control just like the trim level of the v85tt adventure and brought it in at an attractive price, maybe.  just distill down the goodness without the gingerbread (and weight).  of course, any version must have bags either standard or available and i am positive it will have matching luggage in any guise.   
no matter what happens it is great to see the company accept the water cooling challenge and moving into the future.  say what you want about piaggio, you can't deny that proper funding is what is allowing MG to look at the next hundred years.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on November 24, 2021, 06:28:47 AM
I'm really exited to see one of these in the flesh, I think the hp and torque specs are spot on .  I have been thinking about a single bike that could replace both the griso and tuono and this looks like it could be it. Hopefully we get the ohlins spec version here in the states.  Could live without the power shied and gimmicky  aero wings . For me its all about ergos and how it puts down  power. Any guesses on pricing?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackbuell on November 24, 2021, 06:36:14 AM
If it is lighter than my Norge and has a seat height not too tall for an old short guy, I might consider trading in the Norge and my BMW F bike for one with full luggage. Anxious for Enzo at Cadre to get a demo version.

Jon
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on November 24, 2021, 07:13:10 AM
ďMoto Guzzi says that he drive shaft exit position is much lower with respect to previous Moto Guzzi engines, and thus does away with any suspension movement from the transfer of torque, and thus needs no swingarm linkage.

The Italians say that this makes for a smooth ride during both acceleration and deceleration, on par to what one would find on a chain drive, but with the typical advantages of a shaft drive.ď
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on November 24, 2021, 09:09:50 AM
I agree this is one of the best looking bikes I have seen in years. I also am sick and tired of the insectoids. Just a couple of weeks ago I downsized from my Audace. It was getting too heavy and awkward for me. I wanted a mid-sized classically styled bike. It also needed to have a big enough engine for comfortable higher speed touring. I was able to find only one bike that met my desires and it was still short in some areas. I got a Triumph  T120, but no driveshaft and the tank is kind of small but it get pretty good mileage. There is no such thing as the perfect bike, but we all know that. I really like the Mandello and I hope it helps pave the way to glorious future for MG.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Joliet Jim on November 24, 2021, 09:35:07 AM
i love it
If I were younger and had the cash I would buy one

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on November 24, 2021, 09:52:07 AM
I sincerly hope I have to eat these words, but, there is no way an E5 bike sounds that good stock.

I think you're wrong about that.  At least my Duc (euro 4/5) sounds great.  Duc does use a back pressure valve.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on November 24, 2021, 09:55:03 AM
with the cylinder heads turned 90deg. I speculate a single injection unit mebe with 2 injectors or not? possible ram air type air induction as well, big tech improvement! my guess as to claimed HP was spot on @115.
this is definitely a 120-130HP. class  motor detuned for the green police, plenty of meat on the bone will be left for the real tuners!

I think the engine was tuned to run in 115HP/9k rpm range considering Guzzi riders.  More power = peakier motor, not exactly in the Guzzi market.

Like they say, absolute power is one thing, power band is everything. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Fredrik on November 24, 2021, 10:21:37 AM
In recent years H-D was able to increase the sound level from the exhaust because they made the motor so quiet... :popcorn:

I doubt in EU, the bikes sounds like electrical bikes these days here.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on November 24, 2021, 11:01:08 AM
Any guesses on pricing?

I'm guessing $18,995 for the high end model with the electronic suspension, and all the other features, and $15,995 for the base model.

I'd be happy if I can get the base model with the cruise control and quick shifter, then add manually adjustable ÷hlins sprung to my specs.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on November 24, 2021, 11:51:54 AM
I suppose that's the end of using regular auto oil  :sad:

Let the oil threads begin anew!

Normal synthetic motor oils have been used in common-case engines for years.

Guzzis have been spec'd for normal synthetic motor oils for years.

There will be no change.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: 2dogs on November 24, 2021, 12:09:14 PM
Just going from the BMW wasserboxers (wet clutch) I think it will require some thing along the spec of JASO MA-2.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: grebmrof on November 24, 2021, 02:08:09 PM
Sorry if this has already been posted:

https://www.motorcycledaily.com/2021/11/moto-guzzi-presents-v100-mandello-production-model-with-specifications/
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on November 24, 2021, 02:42:00 PM
Sorry if this has already been posted:

https://www.motorcycledaily.com/2021/11/moto-guzzi-presents-v100-mandello-production-model-with-specifications/

17.5L / 4.6gal fuel tank is a bit of a disappointment.  Would have loved to see 5.5gal to 6.5gal.

115bhp / 105nm is better than I expected!  With 90% of torque from 3500rpm-onward, this thing will be a joy to ride!

"Compact Block".  I move that hense forth we Guzzisti refer to it as the "C-block".

Still curious about weight and seat height.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ridingron on November 24, 2021, 02:58:30 PM
Quote

I suppose that's the end of using regular auto oil  :sad:

Let the oil threads begin anew!   

I've used 10 W 40 and 20 W 50 oil in my wet clutch Honda for years without a problem. Look for the absence of the "energy conserving" phrase on the container. I don't know what the service ratings are.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Alfetta on November 24, 2021, 03:29:52 PM
centre stand schmenter stand

whats the deal with the long swingarm but no reactive rod?

If there are 115 bhp getting anywhere near the rear wheel there's gonna be some torque reaction for sure

am I missing something?

well looking at the girth of the swingarm, i would guess that there is room inside for a reaction rod, prop shaft and a small lunch pail.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on November 24, 2021, 04:53:13 PM
17.5L / 4.6gal fuel tank is a bit of a disappointment.  Would have loved to see 5.5gal to 6.5gal.

Agreed.  My V7 has  5.1 gallons of usable fuel.  I'd want at least that much in the V100.
That said the R1200RS, its mostly likely competitor has an 18L tank.

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 24, 2021, 05:20:26 PM
I understand your wishes, but they are just such.  The V100 is not a focused touring bike, it's a do it all roadster.   Thus 4.6g is right were it needs to be, should be good for 150 miles plus, if you need more than that, take the needed actions.   MG says more bikes to come from this motor, I would be stunned if they didn't produce a touring bike based on it soon.do
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: aklawok on November 25, 2021, 12:10:21 AM
I think the engine was tuned to run in 115HP/9k rpm range considering Guzzi riders.  More power = peakier motor, not exactly in the Guzzi market.

Like they say, absolute power is one thing, power band is everything.

think I read in  story that it makes 80% or so peak HP @3500rpm? go back and read again...some such claim in there...no rice burner there!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: weevee on November 25, 2021, 04:27:09 AM
Like they say, absolute power is one thing, power band is everything.

Yes, but BMW's R1250RS makes more torque from just above idle (3,000rpm) than the Guzzi does at maximum (..this rising to 143 Nm / 105 lb-ft  @ 6,250rpm).  Absolute power is higher too: 136hp @ only 7,750rpm.  Unless it's substantially lighter the Guzzi is likely to trail the BMW in the inevitable comparison tests, and because these bikes are pitched at the very same customers, any 'newbies' to the marque could be hard won.

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: grebmrof on November 25, 2021, 05:47:08 AM
17.5L / 4.6gal fuel tank is a bit of a disappointment.  Would have loved to see 5.5gal to 6.5gal.

Perhaps the mpg will provide the range that in the past one got from a larger tank...we'll see what some of the reports tell us down the line.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on November 25, 2021, 06:20:48 AM
Yes, but BMW's R1250RS makes more torque from just above idle (3,000rpm) than the Guzzi does at maximum (..this rising to 143 Nm / 105 lb-ft  @ 6,250rpm).  Absolute power is higher too: 136hp @ only 7,750rpm.  Unless it's substantially lighter the Guzzi is likely to trail the BMW in the inevitable comparison tests, and because these bikes are pitched at the very same customers, any 'newbies' to the marque could be hard won.

It will also come down to riding impressions and appearance. Some may buy a bike based on the fact sheet but a more powerful engine doesn't always carry the day in a comparison. I find the R1250RS unattractive with too much of an insectoid look. The proof will be in the riding - it WILL be an interesting head to head test.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on November 25, 2021, 06:34:15 AM
I agree that the RS would be its natural competitor, but do first time or even 2nd time buyers even buy bikes in this price range and with the mission of these bikes?  I don't really see it as an issue.  Keep in mind that the BMW has 25% more engine capacity so it should at least be torquier.  If the 2 bikes were side by side, I think the Guzzi will look smaller and sleeker even if it is not necessarily lighter in weight.  The BMW RS boxer series has never sold in high volume (I have had 2, so I can comment) mostly in my opinion because of the way that they price it.  It has traditionally come without bags and by the time you add them, you are nearly to the price of an RT which most Americans perceive as the better bike (bigger is better).  I have had an RT as well and at least at that time, the RS was 60 lbs lighter and you could definitely feel the difference, but at the price of less wind protection.  Can't wait to see those comparisons begin, hurry up Guzzi.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dirk_S on November 25, 2021, 06:34:23 AM
It will also come down to riding impressions and appearance. Some may buy a bike based on the fact sheet but a more powerful engine doesn't always carry the day in a comparison. I find the R1250RS unattractive with too much of an insectoid look. The proof will be in the riding - it WILL be an interesting head to head test.

And itís sure to be cheaper than the Beemer. Guzzi has never been about being more powerful or faster (on the streets, at least).
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on November 25, 2021, 06:35:26 AM
At 50 mpg, that is over 200 miles.  Let's hope its a sipper.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: weevee on November 25, 2021, 07:01:30 AM
The proof will be in the riding - it WILL be an interesting head to head test.

For sure.  I've never owned a BMW in my life, but I will be in the market for a sports-tourer in March 2022 so have been doing my research.  I like the look of the Guzzi (..and I've leaned more towards Italian machines than any others in the past), but looks alone won't sway me one way or another.  So far as I can tell, BMW has all the bases covered on this one.  Every question asked of the new Guzzi (..by myself and a few others on here) is already answered by the R1250RS.  It has massive low-and-mid-range torque / shaft-drive / a centre-stand / a quick-shifter / full luggage availability / it will average around 200mls on an 18L tank (source: R1250RS forum) ~ it complies with Euro 5 emissions etc. etc.)  It even sounds half-decent!  https://youtu.be/ejLLlshzr0U?t=2

A lower price on the Guzzi wouldn't sway me if it falls short of its competitors - so yes, a lot would hinge on a test ride.       
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bpreynolds2 on November 25, 2021, 08:11:16 AM
I understand your wishes, but they are just such.  The V100 is not a focused touring bike, it's a do it all roadster.   Thus 4.6g is right were it needs to be, should be good for 150 miles plus, if you need more than that, take the needed actions.   MG says more bikes to come from this motor, I would be stunned if they didn't produce a touring bike based on it soon.do

Yup. Shoot, I get near 180 miles per tank on my 4.9 gallon KTM and it is a rip snorting machine.  All the newer MGs seem to get good mpg and they all are Euro compliant.  I very greatly suspect youíll be able to mostly get near 180-200 before bone dry.  If you need more range than this, buy a tourer  :thumb: :grin:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on November 25, 2021, 08:14:33 AM
GŻzzi has never been about the spec sheet, it's the experience and character. Took me 50 years to discover it.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on November 25, 2021, 08:20:57 AM
The specs don't mean much.  It's a heavy lift to find a motorcycle without enough real world power-especially north of 100bhp.
I'd be SHOCKED if any Guzzi ever competes on the spec sheet power wise-but that ain't everything.  Heck, look at the success of the new V85.

In the end the only thing that really matters for a good long them relationship is how the bike feels and preforms for the owner.  CONSTANTLY on motorcycle forums the power crap is discussed as a be all, end all.  But I'm 100% confident that when most of us ride with other brands of bikes we all arrive at about the same time.  Yes, the fast guys take off-multi brands ridden.  And when you meet up with them (us) you'll find we all enjoyed the trip.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kildareman on November 25, 2021, 08:24:21 AM
The specs don't mean much.  It's a heavy lift to find a motorcycle without enough real world power-especially north of 100bhp.
I'd be SHOCKED if any Guzzi ever competes on the spec sheet power wise-but that ain't everything.  Heck, look at the success of the new V85.

In the end the only thing that really matters for a good long them relationship is how the bike feels and preforms for the owner.  CONSTANTLY on motorcycle forums the power crap is discussed as a be all, end all.  But I'm 100% confident that when most of us ride with other brands of bikes we all arrive at about the same time.  Yes, the fast guys take off-multi brands ridden.  And when you meet up with them (us) you'll find we all enjoyed the trip.

+1.
I'm having more fun riding my V7 850 than I pretty much ever did with my Tiger 800
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: spmoto on November 25, 2021, 08:30:17 AM
Where's the pot holes, frost heaves and crack sealer snot in that video? Sure wasn't filmed in Maine!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on November 25, 2021, 08:33:38 AM
GŻzzi has never been about the spec sheet, it's the experience and character. Took me 50 years to discover it.

It's ok brother, you're not slow, you're just special...  :boozing:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on November 25, 2021, 09:07:44 AM
When I was researching the new Bonnevilles I was really concerned with the 3.8 gallon tank on the T120. But with the mileage I seem to be getting, not enough mileage yet to know for sure, not going to be a problem. And this is a 1200 cc engine but I can't ride as far between stops as I used to. The only stretch I would be concerned about is Tonopah to Ely, 160+ miles. I just would keep it below 80.  :thumb:  Hopefully the Mandello will be thrifty with fuel. My Audace would get an average of 40mpg and it didn't have the biggest tank either, 4.7 which I couldn't quite understand.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: willowstreetguzziguy on November 25, 2021, 10:03:36 AM
I stopped by Westchester Moto Plex in West Chester Pennsylvania yesterday. They sell Moto Guzzi, Aprilia, and Vespa. They have a huge selection of all three brands on the floor.

When I asked him about the new V 100 Mondello, he said that it wonít be arriving until November 2022.

Here are a few pictures of the Moto Guzzi floor display.
(https://i.ibb.co/crYBmrw/D132-E41-D-09-CF-4703-89-AB-727-DBE78-EA9-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/crYBmrw)

(https://i.ibb.co/2hMWGLn/9-DE9-E3-F4-FC99-495-F-9-B1-B-618-B07-FF7-EB4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2hMWGLn)

(https://i.ibb.co/9qgS20M/CD0-E6-B3-B-DE83-45-D5-B30-A-5-DBF989572-A2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9qgS20M)

(https://i.ibb.co/f10NNVx/D4-C36580-C2-E5-45-B7-B065-46-A97-B5-ECFA3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/f10NNVx)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jrt on November 25, 2021, 10:44:04 AM
These pictures showed up on Reddit- 
https://imgur.com/a/vQULg34
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: nwguy on November 25, 2021, 02:59:18 PM
A friend sent me this link showing the v100 with good close ups:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp2SrnljMtA

I originally really liked the looks of the v100, but after seeing close ups I don't like the giant radiator, and the red bike has ugly heat shields on the headers. The active airflow thingies seem frail and like something that's not work after a few years. Maybe I'll just paint my Norge green.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: grebmrof on November 25, 2021, 03:14:29 PM
Geez, those are beautiful bikes.  The motor is a very small lump, the turn signals are tiny, the details really look nice.  Not sure about those aerodynamic wings off of the tank & fairing.  Those bikes are eye candy.  It will be interesting to see them and read about them.  Works of art to my eyes!  Wonder what other versions will be brought out with that engine and drive train?  How many years ago were we speculating on a water cooled Guzzi engine?  Guess maybe the Euro emissions may have finally pushed them to it. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: cappisj1 on November 25, 2021, 04:01:08 PM
Never bought a brand new motorcycle and only one brand new car in my 50 years. I want a green one, take my money! 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucky phil on November 25, 2021, 04:32:15 PM
All this discussion about Horsepower and Torque and spec sheet comparisons. I currently own the following bikes, a Ducati 1198S many performance mods and almost 200RWHP, a Suzuki GSXR1000 set up for the track around 175RWHP, a Ducati 1000ss DS maybe 80HP My V11 Daytona engined bike maybe 85 HP and my Royal Enfield 650 with 50HP.

My RE 650 is a perfect example of the silliness we've all become accustomed to with regards to engine performance on a road bike. If I went on a rational fast ride with anyone here would I get left behind with my 50 Horsepower bike?, nope. Would I be using the engine harder? Yep, but so what. We've all become accustomed to riding bikes with about 3 times the power we can actually rationally use or even have the ability to use. So riding around using 1/4 throttle ALL the time, that's the reality for 99% of people riding a high performance bike on modern roads. So all the spec sheet engine performance comparisons seem pretty pointless once the engine is making more than 100 HP.  When you step back and ride something with a lot less power you begin to realise just how much you really actually use and need. Do I want manufacturers to limit power? nope, but it's nice to ride something with less power and "reset" the engine performance reality.

So the new Guzzi makes FAR more power and torque than 99.9% of road riders can ever use. Hell, from my track experience it makes more power and torque than 95% of road riders can use on a race track.

Ciao
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on November 25, 2021, 10:12:40 PM
All this discussion about Horsepower and Torque and spec sheet comparisons. I currently own the following bikes, a Ducati 1198S many performance mods and almost 200RWHP, a Suzuki GSXR1000 set up for the track around 175RWHP, a Ducati 1000ss DS maybe 80HP My V11 Daytona engined bike maybe 85 HP and my Royal Enfield 650 with 50HP.

My RE 650 is a perfect example of the silliness we've all become accustomed to with regards to engine performance on a road bike. If I went on a rational fast ride with anyone here would I get left behind with my 50 Horsepower bike?, nope. Would I be using the engine harder? Yep, but so what. We've all become accustomed to riding bikes with about 3 times the power we can actually rationally use or even have the ability to use. So riding around using 1/4 throttle ALL the time, that's the reality for 99% of people riding a high performance bike on modern roads. So all the spec sheet engine performance comparisons seem pretty pointless once the engine is making more than 100 HP.  When you step back and ride something with a lot less power you begin to realise just how much you really actually use and need. Do I want manufacturers to limit power? nope, but it's nice to ride something with less power and "reset" the engine performance reality.

So the new Guzzi makes FAR more power and torque than 99.9% of road riders can ever use. Hell, from my track experience it makes more power and torque than 95% of road riders can use on a race track.

Ciao

I'm completely satisfied with the 44hp of my Stornello.... Untill I ride the GRiSO or 1200 Sport.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 26, 2021, 03:29:17 AM
centre stand schmenter stand

whats the deal with the long swingarm but no reactive rod?

If there are 115 bhp getting anywhere near the rear wheel there's gonna be some torque reaction for sure

am I missing something?
Yep, you are.
The longer the lever arm, the less is the force vector for a given torque.
If you are providing 100 Nm over a 0.5 metre lever, you are applying 200 Newtons, or about 20 kg.
To apply the same torque over 1.0 metre lever, you only need to apply 100 Newtons or 10 kg...(not surprisingly).

So a longer swingarm experiences less ďjackingĒ than a shorter one at the pivot point.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 26, 2021, 03:34:41 AM
I just did 18,000 km on a 12 Hp bike and had a blast..
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: pebra on November 26, 2021, 04:24:36 AM
Lucky Phil, you're a sane person.

A spot-on comment, thanks.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: weevee on November 26, 2021, 04:30:39 AM
Some here are missing the point re. the spec. sheet..

This bike isn't aimed primarily at dyed-in-the-wool Guzzisti.  It's an attempt by the factory to woo new blood and to sell to customers who'd ordinarily look elsewhere.  You and I may appreciate character and machines with just sufficient power ~ but you can bet your life mainstream reviewers will look to the spec-sheet and (..as always) compare apples to apples with their own particular bias.             
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Luap McKeever on November 26, 2021, 05:42:21 AM
There's a lot I like about this bike. A lot.

But like others have eluded, I don't like that torque number either. 115HP/74 ft-lb? 90% achieved at 3500RPM with red line of 9500RPM?....That's not good at all in my book. Sounds like a high revving metric that goes nowhere. I would have rather had it the other way around. Or maybe instead of bragging on 4" shorter cylinders than a V85, go ahead and add that 4" back and try and get more equal numbers. 115/115 would be amazing. Here in these hills, torque is best to keep from constantly shifting. That might be why they put the quick shifter on it. The electronic wings are cool, but that's it really. Another gizmo to break and I doubt they offer any real benefit. I'd have rather had the extra gas storage they took from to add those silly wings on the tank. Would love a taller screen and quick detach touring bags option. I I see no mention of hydraulic valves, but I assume they did that. Adjusting valves is so 1980's...time to move on. Of course this is all just speculation on my part and pure opinion, sight unseen and unridden. But, I do for sure like it. It's absolutely beautiful and some of the best styling I've seen from Guzzi in a while. "New and bold" comes to mind. I hope they sell millions of them and have to open more dealerships :evil:.

Hoping to demo one someday at a dealer far, far, far away...
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 26, 2021, 05:57:31 AM
Wasnít the statement that the V100 was 4Ē shorter (front to back), not top to bottom ?
I may have mis interpreted the comment.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Luap McKeever on November 26, 2021, 06:06:09 AM
Wasnít the statement that the V100 was 4Ē shorter (front to back), not top to bottom ?
I may have mis interpreted the comment.

I don't recall seeing the "front to back" measurement. Shorter means height to me, not length. Maybe I got it wrong too.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on November 26, 2021, 06:34:46 AM
There's a lot I like about this bike. A lot.

But like others have eluded, I don't like that torque number either. 115HP/74 ft-lb? 90% achieved at 3500RPM with red line of 9500RPM?....That's not good at all in my book. Sounds like a high revving metric that goes nowhere. I would have rather had it the other way around. Or maybe instead of bragging on 4" shorter cylinders than a V85, go ahead and add that 4" back and try and get more equal numbers. 115/115 would be amazing. Here in these hills, torque is best to keep from constantly shifting. That might be why they put the quick shifter on it. The electronic wings are cool, but that's it really. Another gizmo to break and I doubt they offer any real benefit. I'd have rather had the extra gas storage they took from to add those silly wings on the tank. Would love a taller screen and quick detach touring bags option. I I see no mention of hydraulic valves, but I assume they did that. Adjusting valves is so 1980's...time to move on. Of course this is all just speculation on my part and pure opinion, sight unseen and unridden. But, I do for sure like it. It's absolutely beautiful and some of the best styling I've seen from Guzzi in a while. "New and bold" comes to mind. I hope they sell millions of them and have to open more dealerships :evil:.

Hoping to demo one someday at a dealer far, far, far away...

Everyone else seems to be reading it as a shorter length. I don't know why anyone would give cylinder height as a spec reference. But looking at photos with a rider on it no way that's what they meant.

As for power I partially share your fear. I mean personally I thought even the V85 moved the power to the rev range more than I personally like (though I assume it appeals to many).

But looking again 115/74 with 90% of that available by 3500 rpm should say one won't have to ride it in the upper half of the rpm range all the time.

Not to mention that 74 ft lbs is more than any of the 2V big blocks ever made (and almost as much as the 8V made) and they all made peak torque around 6000 rpm. I'm going to optimistically guess this won't be any more high strung than an 8V and might even be less so with all that power by 3500 rpm.

Lastly they already announced accessory quick detach bags that don't require separate mounts.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bpreynolds2 on November 26, 2021, 06:56:33 AM
I still think the front end is ugly.  But.  I have taken to the rest of the bike quite a bit and in person Iíll likely appreciate it more.  More controversial by far than the V100ís appearance, I too thought the white Roamer I used to own was crap in pics then in person I kind of fell in love.  Even to this day I still think itís one of the nicest looking Geese among all the ones Iíve owned, surpassed only by the 1400 Eldo and the Grisos.  I hope Guzzi sells a bunch of these. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ToddK on November 26, 2021, 08:10:31 AM
I haven't had the chance to get through this entire thread yet. Do we know anything about pricing in the US yet? If not, any educated guesses available, home-schooled or otherwise?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on November 26, 2021, 08:19:57 AM
I haven't had the chance to get through this entire thread yet. Do we know anything about pricing in the US yet? If not, any educated guesses available, home-schooled or otherwise?

People are guessing $14-15,999 for the base bike (red pictured) and $17-18,999 for the deluxe model with ohlins, quick shifter, and upgraded electronics suite. The Aprilia and Ducati bikes with the semi-active ohlins setup cost about $3k more than the lower-tier bikes.  I am hoping $13,999 on the base, and $16,999 on the delux but thats just wishful thinking. 

They also have not announced the weight or seat height.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on November 26, 2021, 08:28:24 AM
Getting rid of the big dry clutch and bell housing is mostly where the 4" went. That and new design technology.
That's basicly 60 foot pounds at 3500 and figuring loss at the rear wheel that's still about 100HP & 51 FP that's great if the bike is close to as  light as the V85 was.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on November 26, 2021, 08:33:13 AM
Yes, it's 4" (103mm) shorter overall length than a v85. SHorter length not shorter height.

I'm actually surprised it's not more, considering losing the bell housing/flywheel/inline clutch.

My 2v/1100 breva only has claimed torque of 64 or 60 depending on where you look... and I hope the mandello will be about 30 lighter... so I dont see the issue with 77lb torque
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on November 26, 2021, 08:39:35 AM
You guys have to quit guesssing about the prices! They priced the V85 very well but if they get that high on a V1000 it will sell like turds on a hot day.
The Yamaha Tracer 9GT is $149999. They usually have parts and they have a real dealer network and it's a proven product. It might be the best comparisome to the V000 there is.

https://youtu.be/OadAsF5NB6Q
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Sye on November 26, 2021, 08:43:03 AM
A couple of sites are reporting a seat height of 800mm (31.5 in) which may or may not be accurate.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: guzziboy66 on November 26, 2021, 08:58:35 AM
https://youtu.be/Y00X5f3PtVU (https://youtu.be/Y00X5f3PtVU)

I like the black painted pipes of the pre-production ones in the videos.
The wheels are beautiful.  The aftermarket is likely to offer wheels for it.
The rear disc brake seems unusally large to me.
The rear brake resevoir is accessible - Thank you MG.
The video linked above insicates an accessory caalog and, if I heard correctly, mentions luggage.

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on November 26, 2021, 01:41:01 PM
I don't recall seeing the "front to back" measurement. Shorter means height to me, not length. Maybe I got it wrong too.

As I understand it, the engine/transmission assembly is 4-inches shorter in length than than the V85 small block.

That has allowed a longer swingarm, plus the new transmission has a lower output shaft, allowing a lower swingarm pivot point, doing away with the need for a floating bevel box.


Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ToddK on November 26, 2021, 02:59:25 PM
Thanks gang!

That green looks pretty durn sweet. 💚
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 26, 2021, 03:15:50 PM
What do the winglets actually do ?
Seems a bit lame to me. I do know one thing for sure, a facelift thread on a V100 would not run nine pages... :popcorn:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucky phil on November 26, 2021, 03:47:15 PM
You guys have to quit guesssing about the prices! They priced the V85 very well but if they get that high on a V1000 it will sell like turds on a hot day.
The Yamaha Tracer 9GT is $149999. They usually have parts and they have a real dealer network and it's a proven product. It might be the best comparisome to the V000 there is.

https://youtu.be/OadAsF5NB6Q

Wow, one hundred and forty nine thousand nine hundred and ninety nine dollars. That is an expensive Yamaha.

Ciao
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucky phil on November 26, 2021, 03:51:17 PM
Wasnít the statement that the V100 was 4Ē shorter (front to back), not top to bottom ?
I may have mis interpreted the comment.

I read it as shorter front to back which makes sense if you move the gearbox to below the crank centreline as opposed to behind the flywheel.

Ciao
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Griso8V on November 26, 2021, 04:52:26 PM
I really like the looks of the bike and I am glad that it does not look like an insect...
I am looking forward to checking it out "in person", but it looks very appealing to me from the pictures.   
My prediction cost wise will be between $18K to $20K.  Reality, welcome to the real world...
Tony C
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 26, 2021, 05:11:50 PM
Wow, one hundred and forty nine thousand nine hundred and ninety nine dollars. That is an expensive Yamaha.

Ciao
Hell yeah..
25% of an M1
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on November 26, 2021, 06:22:19 PM
What do the winglets actually do ?
Seems a bit lame to me. I do know one thing for sure, a facelift thread on a V100 would not run nine pages... :popcorn:

Guzzi claims a 22% reduction of wind to the rider and I believe they are triggered by a set speed.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowings on November 26, 2021, 06:42:56 PM
I believe the idea for the winglets is to avoid having to bolt a barn-door size windscreen to an otherwise gorgeous bike (IMHBDHO) by having the winglets divert airflow around the rider at speed?

I could be wrong, my  :thewife: is certain it happens all the time.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucky phil on November 26, 2021, 06:51:39 PM
I believe the idea for the winglets is to avoid having to bolt a barn-door size windscreen to an otherwise gorgeous bike (IMHBDHO) by having the winglets divert airflow around the rider at speed?

I could be wrong, my  :thewife: is certain it happens all the time.

I've seen these before when I worked on McDonald Douglas A4G Skyhawks. Deployed from the aft fuselage sides, worked off a switch on the thrust lever but they were called "speed brakes" LOL.

Ciao
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowings on November 26, 2021, 07:01:42 PM
As I stated in my post, this observation was rooted In My Brain Dead Hippie Opinon: YMMV
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LongRanger on November 27, 2021, 12:27:15 PM
Very much looking forward to seeing this bike. I swore off MGís years ago due to local dealership incompetence and lack of support, but if I can manage to fit on this one (6í6Ē, 36Ē inseam), itíll likely end up in my garage. Beautiful bike.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on November 27, 2021, 01:53:18 PM
Nice video from MotoBob.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9t7Z0VVCt8
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on November 27, 2021, 06:59:18 PM
LoneRanger,
At your size I'd suspect you need to mod almost any motorcycle you own.  Is that correct?  Your miles outside of the standard most OEM's use.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on November 27, 2021, 08:30:25 PM
As I understand it, the engine/transmission assembly is 4-inches shorter in length than than the V85 small block.

That has allowed a longer swingarm, plus the new transmission has a lower output shaft, allowing a lower swingarm pivot point, doing away with the need for a floating bevel box.

That's how I am reading it. Looking forward to seeing one in the 'flesh'
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LongRanger on November 28, 2021, 12:21:13 AM
It depends on the bike. My RT with lowered foot pegs fits like a glove, but other bikes that Iíd enjoy owning, like a V7 850, are simply too cramped. And my days of enjoying sport-bike ergos are behind me.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on November 28, 2021, 11:57:04 AM
It depends on the bike. My RT with lowered foot pegs fits like a glove, but other bikes that Iíd enjoy owning, like a V7 850, are simply too cramped. And my days of enjoying sport-bike ergos are behind me.

I found my V7 III cramped until I put longer shocks and stiffer fork springs in. That improved things considerably but the V85TT is even better. The higher seat height means I need to horse mount it (use the footpeg) because of my back to get my leg over but that's a minor inconvenience.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ScepticalScotty on November 29, 2021, 02:17:51 AM
If it was all about spec sheets x cost we'd all be riding around on 4 cylinder Japanese 1000s..... There's a significant proportion of the world wide motorcycle riding population that doesn't give a hoot about the numbers. Look at the sales of Royal Enfield 650s....here in the UK (a very mature and affluent market) they are either the second most, or number one bike over 500cc sold. And the number one is the GS1250 - which itself is not a spec sheet leader by any means.

Maybe the US market is different, but the love of outright power and speed passed a few years ago here, same in mainland Europe.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on November 29, 2021, 08:51:53 AM
Yes, but BMW's R1250RS makes more torque from just above idle (3,000rpm) than the Guzzi does at maximum (..this rising to 143 Nm / 105 lb-ft  @ 6,250rpm).  Absolute power is higher too: 136hp @ only 7,750rpm.  Unless it's substantially lighter the Guzzi is likely to trail the BMW in the inevitable comparison tests, and because these bikes are pitched at the very same customers, any 'newbies' to the marque could be hard won.

Riding the 1200RS, they do get it.  They approach sportbike power.  But it's also 200cc bigger.  That can give more useable power with little sacrifice other than perhaps lost agility due  to additional weight, stiffness and wider tires to contain the torque.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on November 29, 2021, 09:09:54 AM
I really like the looks of the bike and I am glad that it does not look like an insect...
I am looking forward to checking it out "in person", but it looks very appealing to me from the pictures.   
My prediction cost wise will be between $18K to $20K.  Reality, welcome to the real world...
Tony C

Yup, the higher-spec Ohlins-suspended version will have an MSRP of at least $19,995.00. Several years ago the MGX21's MSRP was very close to that number and it was not a clean sheet design ($$$).
Hoping that the standard version is a bit less but MG has never been the cheapest - compared to the competition.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on November 29, 2021, 09:32:46 AM
No way in hell it will be $20k+
They wont sell 3 at that price....  I have a deposit down on one already, but that will quickly be withdrawn and turned into a new Speed Twin if the V100 costs that much.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 29, 2021, 09:40:52 AM
A similarly equipped 1250rs is starts north of $22,000, I donít see Guzzi going there.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Nick on November 29, 2021, 12:52:08 PM
15 years ago the MSRP for the Norge was $15K. Yep, 20K for the "premium" V100 could be a possibility  :bike-037:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 29, 2021, 01:17:47 PM
It's possible, but I don't think Guzzi  has the cachet right now to ask that kind of money, and they know it.  Guzzi is not BMW, even if they make a bike that turns out to be better than anything in it field, they still will be somewhat ham strung by their perceived short comings.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: vintage53 on November 29, 2021, 03:21:12 PM
Just to add to Nick's comment,

I believe a 2003 V11 Lemans Rosso Corsa with the Ohlin's' had a MSRP of $ 13,900 +   

??? we shall see. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: sidecarnutz on November 29, 2021, 03:33:01 PM
A minor hijack here.  For EICMA Moto Guzzi developed a special version of the V85 for the Cuirassiers of Italyís Presidential Honor Guard, which presents quite elegantly in black graphics with white accents:


(https://advrider.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/2022-MOTO-GUZZI-V85-TT-GUARDIA-D-ONORE-3-scaled.jpg)

My bad, I saw this was posted earlier.

What happened to its B&W "skunk" seat? ;-) This could be the next California!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Luap McKeever on November 29, 2021, 03:43:21 PM
$13,000 in 2003 would be roughly $19,000 today according to my math with compounded and current inflation rates.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on November 29, 2021, 03:51:25 PM
$13,000 in 2003 would be roughly $19,000 today according to my math with compounded and current inflation rates.

Hmm... :popcorn:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucky phil on November 29, 2021, 03:56:10 PM
$13,000 in 2003 would be roughly $19,000 today according to my math with compounded and current inflation rates.

Minus income tax on interest earned on savings included?

Ciao
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on November 29, 2021, 04:10:30 PM
You guys are comparing a grape to an apple!
It's a 1000cc Guzzi and was never meant to compete with a 1250cc BMW. Hopefully they never will try as I sure as hell don't want all that usless, expensive BS the Germans add on to inflate their prices.
None of those over priced Guzzi's listed above ever sold at the ridiculous retail prices they first came out at. At best I bet they averaged selling at 30% off sticker 3-5 years after sitting on a dealer's floor.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 29, 2021, 04:23:48 PM
Yes, and no Vagrant.  Many folks who wanted their bike on their own time, paid MSRP or close to it.  I enjoy getting a killer deal, like most folks, but I'm not always willing to wait 3 years!  The day is coming for us all, when there won't be a next year, but I don't want to make you cry, so I'll move on.   

It's a lot of fun to be the first in your area with a paticualr new bike, if you haven't had the experience, try it!   And often to be among the first, you have to pay a little for it, so what, it's worth it, if you feel it's so!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: weevee on November 29, 2021, 04:34:18 PM
It's a 1000cc Guzzi and was never meant to compete with a 1250cc BMW.

It will have to if they want it to sell to non Guzzisti.  What else is it meant to compete with?  Anyone wanting a twin-cylinder, shaft-drive, traditional-type (..ie. non 'adventure') sports-tourer will be looking at both, surely.   
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on November 29, 2021, 04:48:05 PM
Well, maybe.  Look at the success of the V85.  Lower specs that a lot of the competition but very good sales for a Guzzi.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucky phil on November 29, 2021, 04:56:13 PM
It will have to if they want it to sell to non Guzzisti.  What else is it meant to compete with?  Anyone wanting a twin-cylinder, shaft-drive, traditional-type (..ie. non 'adventure') sports-tourer will be looking at both, surely.   

Totally disagree here. A Guzzi is 90% a niche brand somewhat like a Ducati. Bikes at this end of the market are primarily an emotional buy and bought by older more affluent riders that aren't going to be focused on the HP and Torque figures as long as it's perceived to have an adequate amount.
Young guys/gals riding the latest hypersports bike are going to be pouring over the spec sheet at engine performance numbers but not in this category. More likely to be concerned about dealer availability, reliability, etc but at the end of the day all things being relatively in the same ball park, style and the affinity with the brand and it's country of origin will make the choice depending on the particular riders perceptions. In other words emotion will be the decider one way or another.
Take it from the guy that said the Ducati Monster would never sell when it was released, LOL.

Ciao     
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: normzone on November 29, 2021, 05:03:26 PM
When I opened this thread for the first time just now, beneath the fourth sentence ...

COMPACT, SPORTY, AND DYNAMIC, IT RIDES LIKE A ROADSTER, BUT WITH THE COMFORT AND TRAVEL VOCATION TYPICAL OF THE BEST TOURERS

... appeared the ad and image for that yellow 2021 Volkswagen van.

I spent a while trying to decide who was pranking whom before I realized I was looking at an inserted ad.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on November 29, 2021, 06:22:40 PM
I find my will crumbling....... Those 'aero wings' look interesting and if as effective as Guzzi claims would negate my wanting a Norge type fairing.  Now just waiting to see what the integrated luggage will look like.

To justify and afford, I am going to put my Griso, Stornello and 1200 Sport on Riders Share. A couple guys I know in the DC area do this and had a good experience. This in my warped thinking will help keep SWMBO happy (well happier) ;-)  This would put me at 8 total bikes....... I really don't want to give one up, and what I have serves all my needs other than a 'new' low mileage bike with all the safety features.  If I did this, I would take all the touring accessories off the 1200 Sport as it is my LD bike.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on November 30, 2021, 08:10:11 AM
Chad, I had the first or second V85 and V7III in the area. Yep, paid full boat and then some.
The V85 has been sitting behind the dealers for the last three months with a piece of plastic over the hole that should have a cylinder on it. NO Parts! No idea when and neither the dealer or I think the parts ordered will fix the existing problem.
No, I won't elaborate at this time. I'm hopping Piaggio steps up and helps me out. Having a new bike you can't ride sucks.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on November 30, 2021, 09:25:46 AM
None of those over priced Guzzi's listed above ever sold at the ridiculous retail prices they first came out at. At best I bet they averaged selling at 30% off sticker 3-5 years after sitting on a dealer's floor.

True, I ended up with a brand new 03 Rosso Corsa for $10K from a now gone dealer in Kansas City which I bought sight unseen and shipped to NYC for $400 bucks.  And the only reason I bought it was because I couldnít get an MGS/01.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on November 30, 2021, 09:26:59 AM
Chad, I had the first or second V85 and V7III in the area. Yep, paid full boat and then some.
The V85 has been sitting behind the dealers for the last three months with a piece of plastic over the hole that should have a cylinder on it. NO Parts! No idea when and neither the dealer or I think the parts ordered will fix the existing problem.
No, I won't elaborate at this time. I'm hopping Piaggio steps up and helps me out. Having a new bike you can't ride sucks.

I know this has been quite a saga for you... have you looked into your state's lemon law?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on November 30, 2021, 11:18:40 AM
I was told it didn't apply to bikes but, I'm not sure I believe that. I need to see if I can find out.
I finally got to talk to a Piaggio rep today and he is reviewing it. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on November 30, 2021, 11:27:02 AM
I was told it didn't apply to bikes but, I'm not sure I believe that. I need to see if I can find out.
I finally got to talk to a Piaggio rep today and he is reviewing it. Fingers crossed.

Did you buy it in Georgia? If so, sorry, no.

https://consumer.georgia.gov/resolve-your-dispute/georgia-lemon-law

Quote
The Lemon Law does not cover all types of vehicles Ė Motorcycles, mopeds, all-terrain vehicles, boats, trucks with a gross vehicle weight rating of more than 12,000 pounds, and vehicles that are not self-propelled (e.g., trailers, campers) are not covered by the Lemon Law.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on November 30, 2021, 11:30:45 AM
I just got off my asss and looked that up also.
BUT! I actually bought it in North Carolina but registered it in Ga. So, maybe, this might apply.

NC DOJ
Protecting Consumers
Automobiles
Lemon Law
Lemon Law
The North Carolina Lemon Law, also known as the New Motor Vehicles Warranties Act (N.C.G.S. 20-351), applies to new passenger cars, pick-up trucks, motorcycles and most vans bought in North Carolina. It requires manufacturers to repair defects that affect the use, value, or safety of a new motor vehicle within the first 24 months or 24,000 miles (whichever comes first).
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on November 30, 2021, 11:52:45 AM
I just got off my asss and looked that up also.
BUT! I actually bought it in North Carolina but registered it in Ga. So, maybe, this might apply.

NC DOJ
Protecting Consumers
Automobiles
Lemon Law
Lemon Law
The North Carolina Lemon Law, also known as the New Motor Vehicles Warranties Act (N.C.G.S. 20-351), applies to new passenger cars, pick-up trucks, motorcycles and most vans bought in North Carolina. It requires manufacturers to repair defects that affect the use, value, or safety of a new motor vehicle within the first 24 months or 24,000 miles (whichever comes first).

Good luck!    :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on November 30, 2021, 12:12:37 PM
Yeah I believe it's any vehicle sold/purchased in NC, not confined to NC residents...  Where did you buy it? Team Charlotte?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: henwilv on November 30, 2021, 03:04:02 PM
As I understand it, the engine/transmission assembly is 4-inches shorter in length than than the V85 small block.

That has allowed a longer swingarm, plus the new transmission has a lower output shaft, allowing a lower swingarm pivot point, doing away with the need for a floating bevel box.

My T3 doesn't have a floating bevel box either and it feels just fine  :angel:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Frenchfrog on November 30, 2021, 03:14:14 PM
Your T 3 makes 50 horses on a good day !
It's great to see they seem to have found a way around floating the bevel but I really wonder how it will compare to the CARC in that respect.My gut feeling is that they have gone for simplicity and cheapness on this .If my gut is true, then it's a crying shame as the carc is bullet proof.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on November 30, 2021, 04:31:30 PM
I sure hope it is priced above what I am willing to pay.  The more videos I watch the more it is growing on me.  It will have a lot of competition based on all the bikes out there with similar ergonomics. 

I look at value when I am shopping for a bike.  Like, why would I buy a Triumph Tiger 900 GT over a Yamaha Tracer 9. 

What made me choose the V7III over the competition was that it was the only bike with a shaft drive and the least plastic parts. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on November 30, 2021, 04:57:26 PM
Mayor, yes. Tee there gave me a good price on the bike and a hell of a trade price on my Versys. Of course he had been stuffed to the gills by the Guzzi salesman and it was the start of - at the time.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on November 30, 2021, 05:36:29 PM
I remember seeing Luap's bike in the shop for months.........  Perhaps the last guy in the world I'd do that to if I were them. 

And the owner of the service shop would inquire about long term parts orders one day and then get called by someone else there who would ask why the bike wasn't finished. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on November 30, 2021, 06:09:08 PM
Chad, I had the first or second V85 and V7III in the area. Yep, paid full boat and then some.
The V85 has been sitting behind the dealers for the last three months with a piece of plastic over the hole that should have a cylinder on it. NO Parts! No idea when and neither the dealer or I think the parts ordered will fix the existing problem.
No, I won't elaborate at this time. I'm hopping Piaggio steps up and helps me out. Having a new bike you can't ride sucks.

Which is why there are certain bikes / brands that I wouldn't own if I could only have one bike, and why I am trying really hard not to put two Moto Guzzis in my garage.  It has become clear to me that many people put up with known issues with many brands because of emotional attachment.  Not me.  Leave a sour taste in my mouth and I am gone. 

I hope you get your issues resolved to your satisfaction. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on November 30, 2021, 06:19:05 PM
There's a lot I like about this bike. A lot.

But like others have eluded, I don't like that torque number either. 115HP/74 ft-lb? 90% achieved at 3500RPM with red line of 9500RPM?....That's not good at all in my book. Sounds like a high revving metric that goes nowhere. I would have rather had it the other way around. Or maybe instead of bragging on 4" shorter cylinders than a V85, go ahead and add that 4" back and try and get more equal numbers. 115/115 would be amazing.

115 ft-lb would require more like 1500cc than 1000cc.   That is 700# heavy cruiser territory.
This is a sporting Guzzi.   I think that the numbers are spot-on for 1000cc, and would be very happy with this bike.  I do have to admit, if they wanted to go head-to-head with the R1250RS, then should've made it  1200-1250cc.   That said, even though I have a R1200RS, which makes 125hp / 84 ft*lb, I will still consider this as a replacement for it.    I'll have to test ride to know for sure.

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on November 30, 2021, 09:42:35 PM
115 pounds-feet will eat up a tire at a fairly quick rate.
Also, I know owners of every brand under the sun.  believe it or not the only one (brand) that has not suffered a stranded ride is the 650 Royal Enfield, and that's too small a time sample.

My Rocket III dyno'd at 148 pounds-feet at the rear wheel.  Destroyed a 240 rear every 3K.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on December 01, 2021, 12:43:36 PM

I've merged the V100 EICMA thread into the V100 Mandello threadfest.

We can keep the V100 chat contained here until they start hitting the streets next year.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on December 01, 2021, 12:47:38 PM
I can see Rocker riding that new bike.   :bike-037:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on December 01, 2021, 12:51:01 PM
I can see Rocker riding that new bike.   :bike-037:

 :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on December 01, 2021, 01:17:29 PM
I've merged the V100 EICMA thread into the V100 Mandello threadfest.

We can keep the V100 chat contained here until they start hitting the streets next year.

Good idea! But who won Bad Chad's HP and Torque contest?  :popcorn:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: tazio on December 01, 2021, 04:25:34 PM
I can see Rocker riding that new bike.   :bike-037:
I can see Rocker experiencing one of these...
(https://i.ibb.co/XCmKd3G/20210820-103508.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XCmKd3G)

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on December 01, 2021, 04:32:00 PM
Taz, Darren's looks just like that one, from bikini fairing to the tailpack.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on December 01, 2021, 06:37:18 PM
Chad, I had the first or second V85 and V7III in the area. Yep, paid full boat and then some.
The V85 has been sitting behind the dealers for the last three months with a piece of plastic over the hole that should have a cylinder on it. NO Parts! No idea when and neither the dealer or I think the parts ordered will fix the existing problem.
No, I won't elaborate at this time. I'm hopping Piaggio steps up and helps me out. Having a new bike you can't ride sucks.

What did I miss?  I remember you talking about a stumble some point back, but not that you had a failure. What happened? Dropped valve? Burned Valve Seat?  That stinks, I know you were piling the miles on.

Overall though I think the V85 has been a stellar launch and mostly problem free other than the rear hub seal. Here's hoping the V100 is similar and not like the hydro or early 8V or other fiasco's
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucky phil on December 01, 2021, 10:29:27 PM
What did I miss?  I remember you talking about a stumble some point back, but not that you had a failure. What happened? Dropped valve? Burned Valve Seat?  That stinks, I know you were piling the miles on.

Overall though I think the V85 has been a stellar launch and mostly problem free other than the rear hub seal. Here's hoping the V100 is similar and not like the hydro or early 8V or other fiasco's

And the gearbox oil incorrectly filled causing failures and the stumbling issue in this thread rectified by an updated part and the leaking hub seal. Don't know about most people but that's a bit short of a stellar record for mine. I'm a hard marker I admit. Then there's the stuff that's captured before delivery and addressed on the PD that the owner never sees. 

Ciao
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on December 02, 2021, 06:44:47 AM
Good idea! But who won Bad Chad's HP and Torque contest?  :popcorn:

Several people correctly guessed 115hp, IDK if anyone guessed 115hp/77fp
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on December 02, 2021, 08:12:26 AM
I'm slowly putting together a "final" between those that guessed right on the money.    I should have it together soon.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on December 02, 2021, 08:49:37 AM
maybe guess the claimed weight is a good tiebreaker, Chad?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on December 02, 2021, 09:22:58 AM
BD, I've been quiet about it as I am in contact with Guzzi to get it resolved. Short version, the stumbling got way worse and it was unsafe to ride. Wayne said it was demon possed!
I'll respond when it's fixed.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on December 02, 2021, 10:53:31 AM
I wonder if you will be able to mount running lights to the exhaust covers, or if engine guards will hide the exhaust a little bike.  I'm sure I will get used to them, but they are the only item that stands out as odd to me.

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: M0T0Geezer on December 02, 2021, 11:50:15 AM
Well, hello again.  I've been gone for awhile.  Sold my '07 Norge and now riding a '14 CTX700 DCT. Long story.

An email from Guzzi about the New V100 Mandello has revived my faltering pulse.

What a revolutionary new motor! 115 hp from 1 liter with the exhaust coming out the "bottom" of the cylinders instead of the front.  Looks wrong but I could get used to it.

Lets hope they get the plumbing, cams, followers, rear end, and electrical gremlins from prior new issues all sorted before they allow actual sales.

My favorite bike of all time was my 2004 Guzzi Breva - 750cc of trouble-free for 50,000 miles.  :thumb:

My 2007 Norge was magnificent, but plagued with rear end and electrical gremlins.    :angry:

Be well, ride safe my friends.

'Geezer    https://www.dansher.com/mywheels.htm (https://www.dansher.com/mywheels.htm)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on December 02, 2021, 09:26:15 PM
I wonder if you will be able to mount running lights to the exhaust covers, or if engine guards will hide the exhaust a little bike.  I'm sure I will get used to them, but they are the only item that stands out as odd to me.

I'd go with fork mounted running lights.  I can't imagine the shields are stout enough to handle the lights with no vibration.  Then, there is the heat...
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on December 03, 2021, 07:04:45 AM
And the gearbox oil incorrectly filled causing failures and the stumbling issue in this thread rectified by an updated part and the leaking hub seal. Don't know about most people but that's a bit short of a stellar record for mine. I'm a hard marker I admit. Then there's the stuff that's captured before delivery and addressed on the PD that the owner never sees. 

Ciao

Meh, subjective....... For a brand new model, these are all minor. Pretty good for Moto Guzzi.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucky phil on December 03, 2021, 02:40:15 PM
Meh, subjective....... For a brand new model, these are all minor. Pretty good for Moto Guzzi.

All minor until it's yours that's having the issues and repeated returns to the dealer for warranty work. Generally a different perspective then.

Ciao
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: henwilv on December 03, 2021, 02:46:38 PM
Jeez, youíre right.
They both have a wheel on each end, itís uncanny..

Well said!!!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Canuck750 on December 03, 2021, 10:35:58 PM
I had a good chat this week with the owner of the local Guzzi dealer (Aprilia, Vespa, Yamaha, Suzuki as well), he is really pumped about the new V100, importer has told him to expect delivery this spring, perhaps as early as May, price not yet confirmed. He has promised me a demo ride as soon as the V100 hits the floor. The owner is a real Italian bike fan and we have been kicking around me trading him one or two of my vintage bikes for a  new Guzzi when the right model shows up for my tastes / needs, I think the V100 may be just what ticks all the boxes.

He is equally excited about the new Aprilia Toureg dual purpose bike, its going to retail about $1000 over the Yamaha Tenere 700 but the Aprilia has a lot more to offer with  more hp and torque, lower weight, more tech etc... sounds like it could be a rwal winner as well.

I was impressed to hear that for 2021 the dealership has sold more V85 TT's than anything Yamaha or Suzuki has to offer that comes close to the style and spec, that's real good news for Guzzi around these parts.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: janguzzi on December 04, 2021, 02:05:11 AM
Pete aka "Street" from the Griso Ghetto Forum created this nice image ... ;-)

(https://i.servimg.com/u/f48/18/85/41/54/griso_18.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/18854154/1712)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on December 04, 2021, 09:18:20 AM
I really, really like that.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on December 04, 2021, 09:41:25 AM
Nice ,but not sure the tank would fit with all the intake stuff going on between the vee on that new motor
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: smdl on December 05, 2021, 09:50:24 AM
Nice ,but not sure the tank would fit with all the intake stuff going on between the vee on that new motor

That's okay -- they could just reduce the Griso's fuel capacity somewhat.  Oh, wait a minute...  :grin:

Cheers,
Shaun
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: coast range rider on December 05, 2021, 10:42:50 AM
I really, really like that.
kk
Relax, it's just a picture.
But it would be really, really nice to see that new drivetrain in a Stelvio.  :wink:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on December 08, 2021, 01:13:41 PM
https://www.motociclismo.it/novita-moto-guzzi-2022-79841 (https://www.motociclismo.it/novita-moto-guzzi-2022-79841)

Motociclismo reporting OCTOBER 2022 release and a 11,600 Euro sale price
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on December 08, 2021, 01:16:54 PM
If so, that should mean a sub $11,000 starting point for USA.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dirk_S on December 08, 2021, 01:18:49 PM
If so, that should mean a sub $11,000 starting point for USA.

How do you figure, Chad? The Euro has been slightly more than the US Dollar for some time now, no?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on December 08, 2021, 02:08:09 PM
How do you figure, Chad? The Euro has been slightly more than the US Dollar for some time now, no?

not a straight currency conversion...  I think the euro price has to include taxes and fees etc... Maybe even VAT 17%(?)

for instance US MSRP on a '21 V7 Stone is $8990 but the Euro MSRP is 9090 euros.

I just hope it comes sooner than october, damn!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on December 08, 2021, 03:47:25 PM
I said $12k for the base model. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rtbickel on December 08, 2021, 04:07:23 PM
Pete aka "Street" from the Griso Ghetto Forum created this nice image ... ;-)

(https://i.servimg.com/u/f48/18/85/41/54/griso_18.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/18854154/1712)

Now if they will do a California model with floorboards and a windshield that works I think that I would be interested.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on December 08, 2021, 04:10:32 PM
I've already carved out space for one in the garage when it becomes available...hoping to see someone carry it soon...sort of doubtful it will be anyone in Houston, most likely AF1 in Austin.  Can't wait to ride one!