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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #300 on: September 29, 2021, 09:58:41 PM »
Excellent, someone to finish off the R&D and sort out all the early engineering and production issues for me while I wait patiently for a few years till they're sorted. I really appreciate all the work of the early adopters.

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #301 on: September 30, 2021, 01:12:19 AM »
at that price it would have to have the full monty active ohlins setup front and rear.. plus a full set of nice factory luggage and a centerstand or some heated grips or something!  I would probably bite on that, I know that full ohlins suite bumps the price of the Aprillias and Ducatis that have it by $3.5-4000!  I deff dont want to pay that much, I am hoping it's more like $14-15k- which I am assuming is more of the range. I dont actually care about the computer-controlled suspension, but I will take it if it's the only configuration offered.  The deposit isnt non-refundable or anything and although I indicated a green one, I'm sure they will apply it to whatever v100 they can get.  I dislike the looks of the red one enough that I would probably get it painted if I was forced to settle on that one over the cost of the Ohlins kit.

They have not shown any bags for it yet, and it looks like nowhere to attach a centerstand-- with that hollow rear axle I am betting the will assume ppl use a pit stand or whatever.
Looks like the cruise will be standard based off the switchgear, so luggage, center stand, and maybe heated grips are about the only accessories I could possibly need or want. I dont much go for low seats, engine guards, or aux lights... cant think of anything else they might offer to sweeten the deal at a $18k price point!

So I guess the short answer is no I wouldnt be happy with $17,999 as pictured...  If it had fully active ohlins array, bags and a centerstand and cruise and heated grips I would probably do it, but I wouldnt be thrilled about it.

I may be cross shopping this bike with a BMW R1250RS.   As I would configure that bike itís around $22k with luggage, with active suspension.  I am looking for a used 2020 bike with 5-10k miles, looks like they run around $17k.  Iím hoping the Guzzi comes in at $19k with bags and active Ohlins.  Of course it better have heated grips.


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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #302 on: September 30, 2021, 01:51:03 AM »
Well Phil.
If it wasnít for those guys, thereíd be nothing to wait for.
 If itís true and you really appreciate their efforts, thereíll doubtless be some tangible evidence of it when you get yours.

I'm quite serious, the early adopters are the sacrificial lambs, they just don't realise it so I appreciate their sacrifice. I have a "rule", never buy the first of any clean sheet model, car or bike. The minimum wait time is 2 years. After 40 years of watching various manufacturers engines evolve in fine detail it's served me well. Along with 2 relatives with long term careers in automotive R&D and testing for GM the chances of me buying a clean sheet model are zero. You can't unlearn some of the things I've seen.
Then you've got the dealership mechanics for which the early adopters bikes as their learning tool. I don't trust dealership mechanics with legacy designs let alone a brand new one. Want to be the first one to get his shim and bucket valve adjustment done on the new model? Doesn't affect me personally as My bikes never see the dealer again after taking delivery but for others that use dealerships for their maintenance, well.   

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« Reply #303 on: September 30, 2021, 05:47:59 PM »
I'm quite serious, the early adopters are the sacrificial lambs, they just don't realise it so I appreciate their sacrifice. I have a "rule", never buy the first of any clean sheet model, car or bike. The minimum wait time is 2 years. After 40 years of watching various manufacturers engines evolve in fine detail it's served me well. Along with 2 relatives with long term careers in automotive R&D and testing for GM the chances of me buying a clean sheet model are zero. You can't unlearn some of the things I've seen.
Then you've got the dealership mechanics for which the early adopters bikes as their learning tool. I don't trust dealership mechanics with legacy designs let alone a brand new one. Want to be the first one to get his shim and bucket valve adjustment done on the new model? Doesn't affect me personally as My bikes never see the dealer again after taking delivery but for others that use dealerships for their maintenance, well.   

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That's a fairly common "rule", and I hear a lots of people advise it.  OTOH, the times I've broken it have turned out just fine.  It's not that none of us "realize it"; it's that some of us, for some machines, see the risk, and take it consciously.

In 1993, I wanted a new bike, and what I wanted was an unfaired sporty twin, which there were none of on the market.  Then Ducati premiered their M900 Monster, which was exactly what I had in mind.  Although it was a new model, it was mostly made from existing parts, so I felt the risk was not too high.  They also were unsure how well it would sell, so they were only committing to make it that year, and then see what happened.  I ordered one sight unseen (since they hadn't been brought into the country yet), and waited.  That bike was the best thing I have ever bought; I rode it daily for 24 years and put 265K miles on it.

In 2002, BMW introduced their new Mini Cooper.  It was a clean sheet design, so there was risk there.  But BMW was determined to make a good impression with it with good customer service and support.  My 2002 Mini Cooper S now has 228K miles on it, and it's been a delightful little car.  Not cheap to run -- if it needs something, you're paying BMW prices for it, even though the car is supposed to be cheaper.  But I don't regret it a bit, and expect to keep it until it dies.

This new Moto Guzzi is the first model of a brand new engine design, so I will readily admit to some trepidation, and that it would definitely be a bit of a gamble to jump into.  OTOH, I'm 58, making good money, and don't have infinite riding years left.  So I'm considering it.

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #304 on: September 30, 2021, 05:52:07 PM »
Among the many things we do not know about the V100 is how it sounds. That sound will probably haunt my dreams until I buy one.  :copcar:
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« Reply #305 on: September 30, 2021, 05:59:47 PM »
Among the many things we do not know about the V100 is how it sounds. That sound will probably haunt my dreams until I buy one.  :copcar:

Thereís a YouTube video somewhere in this thread of the bike starting and running.

Found itÖ

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« Reply #306 on: October 01, 2021, 05:59:52 AM »
Thereís a YouTube video somewhere in this thread of the bike starting and running.

Found itÖ

https://youtu.be/XLPwbhIySOY

OK, I remember seeing that but what I meant was how it sounds on the road going through the gears from 4K to redline with aftermarket exhaust. If it sounds anything like my SV650 with M4 headers and 'muffler' it will be glorious... And for anyone who has never ridden a modern V twin, the speed with which the V100 gets to redline will be a revelation in itself.  :shocked:
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #307 on: October 01, 2021, 06:29:21 AM »
there will be the same ratio of early adopters to "waiters" as there always are. it's human nature. personally, i think that is very healthy for the marketplace.
MG seems to have responded better to issues in recent years.  I know there were a few members with catastrophic problems on some 1400s that did not go as well as hoped, but speaking as a former 1400 owner, imo that was never going to be a mainstream bike.  however, the then new V85 is good evidence of a more considered response by the company.  Early on, there were two very minor recalls. I can't remember what they were and mine was not affected, but MG put a blanket one year extension on the warranty of all bikes.  After 18,000 miles, they are going to make my first warranty repair into the extension year. one of the small heat shields vibrated off of the exhaust and they are covering it under warranty.
personally, the V85 is probably my last touring bike until i downsize, but i believe i would buy a V100 when they hit as i did the v85 if in the market for that type of bike.
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #308 on: October 01, 2021, 10:49:07 AM »
I've never bought a brand-new/clean-sheet model of anything, and only bought one brand new vehicle before in my life! But I figure if you want to support the brand, someone has to take the bait. Might as well be me.
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« Reply #309 on: October 01, 2021, 11:15:08 AM »
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« Reply #310 on: October 01, 2021, 01:28:49 PM »
I have bought a couple of first model year vehicles. The first was an R75/5. I first saw it announced in Cycle magazine. I put a deposit on one the next day. I got the first one in Denver, it was a good bike. I had a couple of issues, the CV carbs didn't work right. BMW replaced them right away and infact since I was putting a lot of mileage in a short amount of time they were actually as kind of a beta tester keeping an eye on my bike. The stator went bad at some point, the only problems I had.

My other is a 2013 Heavy Duty Ram, first year with major frame and some other changes. I've only had a couple of recall issues, supposed improper welding on a drag link support bracket, they were hand welded but mine was fine. The DEF system need an upgrade which was done. The tie rod link clamp may not be tightened properly, no issue there either. Overall the truck has been excellent with not a single issue affecting me. I think some manufacturers are going overboard on recalls due to some of the litigation that has plagued some manufaturers in recent years. I am not afraid of first year products and now that I think about it somemore while typing this, I had one of the first Chrysler Sebring convertibles. Not one issue with it.
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #311 on: October 02, 2021, 05:07:21 PM »
I'm happy for those who have plunked $$ down for one of the new Mandello's.  I also have a hankering for one of the new 850's, and am hoping that they come out with a Carbon Bright model.

I'm looking forward to seeing them in dealers though, and a full on Norge style replacement would be a game changer for me, especially if the ergo's were right.
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« Reply #312 on: October 03, 2021, 07:48:21 AM »
i was at cadre last week and was told that they have several deposits already. it was the same when the v85tt came out.  this is great momentum for our little brand.  what a change from 20 years ago.  even the last of the norge, stelvio, v9, 1400 and even some of the v7 series have recently been available as left overs at least one model year old. much more profitable for piaggio to sell them without having to offer incentives and for dealers not to have to floorplan them. i'm stoked as this demand may encourage piaggio to bring on the variants sooner rather than later.
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« Reply #313 on: October 04, 2021, 04:28:15 AM »
Wonder if I would fit on it (6ft4) ?

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« Reply #314 on: October 04, 2021, 10:30:58 AM »
i was at cadre last week and was told that they have several deposits already. it was the same when the v85tt came out.  this is great momentum for our little brand.  what a change from 20 years ago. 

Twenty years ago Guzzi was selling the V11 Sport (which sold pretty well) and all the California related cruiser variants (which in combination sold pretty well).  Thirty years ago wasnít so good.

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« Reply #315 on: October 04, 2021, 10:50:20 AM »
No, they really didnít sell particularly well.
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« Reply #316 on: October 07, 2021, 07:14:11 PM »
I bought a first-year Mazda. It was brilliant! Also bought a first-year Honda NC700X (s/n: 57). Itís also been a rock-solid machine. A first year Chevy (ages ago) was worse than a money pit.

I think this new bike looks pretty good. Iím looking for a 100% 2-up tourer now (can a 1400 Cali or Eldo do that well?), so not for me, but Iím glad theyíre making the changeover to meet new emissions regs.

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #317 on: October 08, 2021, 06:49:28 AM »
Tus:  What I meant to say and must not have said it very well was 20 years ago(ish), there were left overs aplenty and what does pretty well mean, a few hundred of each model? I drove 400 miles with a friend in 2004 to pick up a left over 2001 Stone.  Do you remember a time when such a large number of deposits were taken on bikes (including the V85, now on the V100) before they arrived?  I can't, but maybe that is just senility creeping in.
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #318 on: October 08, 2021, 08:31:27 AM »
Do you remember a time when such a large number of deposits were taken on bikes (including the V85, now on the V100) before they arrived?  I can't, but maybe that is just senility creeping in.
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I was on the phone with Team Charlotte Moto yesterday discussing my deposit as a matter of fact. I put mine in 9/25, they told me I'm first on the list, and that 3 other folks had put down a deposit for one since I placed my order!
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #319 on: October 08, 2021, 08:34:07 AM »
I was on the phone with Team Charlotte Moto yesterday discussing my deposit as a matter of fact. I put mine in 9/25, they told me I'm first on the list, and that 3 other folks had put down a deposit for one since I placed my order!

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« Reply #320 on: October 08, 2021, 08:54:31 AM »
Which version did you order?

They have me down for the green one.  It remains to be seen if it really come spec'd with the active ohlins setup and how that affects cost...  I really want the Centanario color scheme, but not sure I can stomach a $3-4k premium for the computerized suspension. That seems to be the markup on similarly equipped Ducati & Aprillia bikes... 

In a perfect world I would choose Green with standard suspension... but if that one only comes with ohlins, then I will have a decision to make.
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #321 on: October 08, 2021, 12:54:00 PM »
They have me down for the green one.  It remains to be seen if it really come spec'd with the active ohlins setup and how that affects cost...  I really want the Centanario color scheme, but not sure I can stomach a $3-4k premium for the computerized suspension. That seems to be the markup on similarly equipped Ducati & Aprillia bikes... 

In a perfect world I would choose Green with standard suspension... but if that one only comes with ohlins, then I will have a decision to make.

Having owned and ridden a few Ohlins-equipped bikes over the years (Guzzis and Ducatis), the premium will be worth it!
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #322 on: October 08, 2021, 01:11:13 PM »
Having owned and ridden a few Ohlins-equipped bikes over the years (Guzzis and Ducatis), the premium will be worth it!

Oh no doubt! but the computer-assisted active suspension? Might be overkill...  But I'm getting the bike either way, maybe I will be singing its praises in a few months?
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« Reply #323 on: October 09, 2021, 02:38:51 AM »
Having owned and ridden a few Ohlins-equipped bikes over the years (Guzzis and Ducatis), the premium will be worth it!

Well, hmm. I've been riding Ohlins equipped bike for 35 years and while the OEM stuff is decent it's nothing to rave about. There's a lot of oem Ohlins hype around that's for sure. My first Ohlins equipped bike used the exact same forks as they used on the 500 GP bikes at the time then they went to their "production" suspension for the manufacturers. I ditched the std " production" Ohlins on my 1198S and replaced them with the "road and track" versions FGRT803 and TTX shock, proper Ohlins suspension and far superior. Depends on the premium you need to pay really. Ducati people often buy the base model and then upgrade the suspension to the " serious Ohlins" as the overall cost is cheaper and you get the superior quality suspension.

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« Reply #324 on: October 09, 2021, 11:40:43 PM »
That's a fairly common "rule", and I hear a lots of people advise it.  OTOH, the times I've broken it have turned out just fine.  It's not that none of us "realize it"; it's that some of us, for some machines, see the risk, and take it consciously.

In 1993, I wanted a new bike, and what I wanted was an unfaired sporty twin, which there were none of on the market.  Then Ducati premiered their M900 Monster, which was exactly what I had in mind.  Although it was a new model, it was mostly made from existing parts, so I felt the risk was not too high.  They also were unsure how well it would sell, so they were only committing to make it that year, and then see what happened.  I ordered one sight unseen (since they hadn't been brought into the country yet), and waited.  That bike was the best thing I have ever bought; I rode it daily for 24 years and put 265K miles on it.

In 2002, BMW introduced their new Mini Cooper.  It was a clean sheet design, so there was risk there.  But BMW was determined to make a good impression with it with good customer service and support.  My 2002 Mini Cooper S now has 228K miles on it, and it's been a delightful little car.  Not cheap to run -- if it needs something, you're paying BMW prices for it, even though the car is supposed to be cheaper.  But I don't regret it a bit, and expect to keep it until it dies.

This new Moto Guzzi is the first model of a brand new engine design, so I will readily admit to some trepidation, and that it would definitely be a bit of a gamble to jump into.  OTOH, I'm 58, making good money, and don't have infinite riding years left.  So I'm considering it.

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« Reply #325 on: October 11, 2021, 10:33:26 AM »
Phil:  26 years ago, I said, "I'm 58.  Don't have that many years of riding left".  I rode just over 300 miles last week.  I don't know how many years of riding I have left!!

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« Reply #326 on: October 11, 2021, 11:23:25 AM »
That's interesting what you say Bulldog. Maybe for another post, but I find that the fire in me to ride has waxed and waned, but never gone out since I hit road in 1995 (I was previously an off road trial dude and general kid riding around in the bush in the 80s....). If I find I'm a bit down on riding, I try and plan for a trip to somewhere not local - Wales usually does the trick for a long weekend, Scotland for a week, and Europe if I have more time and money. I always come back filled with the joys of riding...
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« Reply #327 on: November 23, 2021, 05:50:49 AM »
..... excited at the prospect of 20 years of post retirement 2 wheeled bliss..... Yes, I want to be like Bill Hagan  :bow: :evil:

Me too, me too!

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Offline skippy

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #329 on: November 23, 2021, 07:05:58 AM »




News should be coming out from Milan today!

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Harper's Moto Guzzi. Where we still answer the phone, use the highest quality parts, and also do Transmission, rear drive, and carb rebuilds fast. Call us at 816.697.3411 and get your problems resolved.
http://www.harpermoto.com
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