V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest

[Antietam Classic Cycle]

The V700 looks curiously more like an Electraglide than a Falcone, especially if you enlarge that square toolbox to better mimic the saddlebag of the HD.  Not saying it's good or bad, just that it is.  In 1966, MG was deep in receivership and needing to survive.  You do what works.  Look at those two pics as posted.  nearly all details are either enlarged or diminished in place- even the number of design elements.  The V700 were also marketing heavily into the USA market, which apparently had little interest in a Falcone. Not saying it's good or bad, just that it is.

Still ain't seeing it. Gas tank totally different shape, front fender on the Guzzi far less valanced, bit of stretch to say that if the toolbox was enlarged it would look like the Harley saddlebag. Okay, Guzzi battery cover resembles the Harley battery box. Flat seat vs. buddy. Deeper, more prominent headlight bucket. V700 resembles an Electra Glide as much as Madonna (Chiccone) resembles the Madonna (and Child).

[Murray]

I can see this is going to be a long and contentious thread. Any guesses how many pages before anybody sees a bike?

Well there are pictures on page 1.

[Huzo]

Well if nothing else, it’s a good little conversation starter....
I must have watched that short promo a hundred times.
Don’t be surprised if it pops up on Red Tube....

[Huzo]

Ahhh is all of this based on the damn color scheme? Or some other tie to that model?

The model that no one who is not already DEEPLY steeped in Guzzi history would ever have a clue about?

Yes new buyers may be "ignorant" of it, but how can you possibly "play" to something that no one knows or gives a crap about?!?

As someone who has owned and cared about Guzzis for about two decades I didn't know, nor would I have connected or given a crap about it

I guess I'm saying it's ok to draw upon a distant or even vague connection to the past for inspiration without it needing to be so direct to be legitimate.

Touche’ Sir...

[Guzikid]

  All I got to say is.....I LOVE IT !   And I want one !!!  I'm sure it will be next year before we can get our hands on it.  BTW, the "red" V100 flat turns me on !!!     The Kid

[zedXmick]

I love  it!! I’d take the red!!it’s absolutely beautiful in the video!! Well done Moto Guzzi!!! :cool:t welcome to the next 100 years indeed!!

[Mr Revhead]

Looks awesome to me!
It's not a loop or Tonti, but it can't be can jt? Not if we want Moto Guzzi to thrive and survive.
They have to attract new buyers.
It certainly looks a shit load better than almost everything else modern.
And don't forget,  it's just the first version of a new range. Something will come along with a Le Mans badge.
Now, can someone give me one please? 

[jacksonracingcomau]

My 2c
I see no tribute to v8 at all, nor anything pre mid 80’s
I do see the 1980’s in spades, think Lario, mk4 le mens, even T5 etc, or any oriental bike of time
Tupperware bikes we called them then
Guess retro had to move on from 70’s eventually, next gen of old codgers who that style appealed to will jump in.
Smart move, 70’s people go for V7 line, 80’s people this one

But the motor, if not properly modern in Ducati /Aprillia country , looks to be a new ball game, only thing it appears to have from Sig Carcano’s brilliant design of 65 is the engine configuration.
Peek inside will be interesting, valve train etc
Well done Guzzi, I hope it works

[Dogwalker]

This is a big sellout imho, just like the first Loop that was a blatant ripoff of a HD ElectraGlide.

In 1966 In Italy it was barely known that Harley Davidson was a motorcycle brand and none knew what an "ElectraGlide" was. The target for the V7 was the market of the BMW R60/69.

[Muzz]

But the motor, if not properly modern in Ducati /Aprillia country , looks to be a new ball game, only thing it appears to have from Sig Carcano’s brilliant design of 65 is the engine configuration.
Peek inside will be interesting, valve train etc
Well done Guzzi, I hope it works

About sums it up for me Martin.

[jacksonracingcomau]

In 1966 In Italy it was barely known that Harley Davidson was a motorcycle brand and none knew what an "ElectraGlide" was. The target for the V7 was the market of the BMW R60/69.

I was going to say that before, but the plot is thicker
Guzzi had to beat the jerries to the USA market
Not copy Hardly Ableto but steal from them, in bigger numbers than anyone before
And they did, , nearly all sales where Stateside, interesting  to know BMW sales figures v Guzzi in 67 and 68
My money is on the V700
Only Honda stopped the fun in 69 and 70, yanks are fickle

[Dogwalker]

[jacksonracingcomau]

ABSOLUTELYFUKINBRIL LIANT
Sideways in the wind tunnel
Being on the (windward) PULL side of the prop adds to it

Those clever adaptive aerodynamic doo dads work sideways in cross winds
Overtaking trucks at speed in windyland will no longer bother us, wind from left or right
I might have to buy one

[chuck peterson]

Those headers look like they serve a second purpose of crash bars?

[Sye]

Well, I think it fits the bill rather nicely. Great style, great power and what looks like great ergonomics. I will certainly be taking a test ride on one when they become available.

Moto Guzzi have been making bikes for a long time and have relied on the faithful to buy their bikes. I see nothing wrong with them having more up to date offerings in their line up. I'm sure they will continue building classically styled bikes for the faithful and will attract current Ducati, Honda and BMW riders with their new offering. Fair play to them and well done for being dragged into the 21st century.

Huzo, I tried eating ice cream with my arse, it didn't go well 

[Huzo]

Those headers look like they serve a second purpose of crash bars?

They look a bit like covers over the actual pipe.

[Kev m]

I notice this morning that the more I see it, the more I like it.

Of course I thought my Breva was all kinds of ugly, at first.

[twowheeladdict]

I kind of like it.  However, being on fixed income, I'd be more inclined to pick up a nice, rollered, low mileage Griso 8vSE.  Plus, like Chuck, I believe I too am aged-out.

Bob

What does it mean, "on a fixed income"?

I have been topped out at work for 10 years. Does that mean I'm on a fixed income? If you are retired that means you have the time to get a part time job to fund the new bike, while I don't.   Mmm.

And aren't there those on fixed incomes that bring in more than they spend on necessities?

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

I notice this morning that the more I see it, the more I like it.

Of course I thought my Breva was all kinds of ugly, at first.

YES

[Ncdan]

I’ll throw in on this one.
For those who like that style of motorcycle it’s probably appealing, personally they all look so much the same I can’t tell much different.
As far as the motor goes, I like the size and horse power speculation and the water cooled aspect is fine too.
Therefore I’d like to see a cruiser/tourer added to the line, even though I probably wouldn’t be able to own one due to the lack of dealership availability in my state.

[Bpreynolds2]

Since everyone here is clamoring to hear it  let me be more clear here than my initial “wtf” comments earlier in the thread. 

I actually think the whole bike pops, it really does.  Except that front end which is to my eyes is so bad, it nearly ruins the whole of the bike for me.  It’s a styling choice that just seems utterly bizarre to me.  Unlike some comments here, the front end does not remotely say “modern” to me and, in fact, it says worse than ugly, it says generic.  Not a single one of you blokes can tell me my opinion is wrong any more than I can yours so I’m not criticizing your beloved take on the bike, I’m just saying for me it’s a real disappointment.  Disappointing especially because it’s a new, powerful and impressive looking engine and Guzzi chose to market it with that front end which, again, seems more boring than ugly even.  And this from a guy who thinks they nailed the V7’s lines, they nailed the V85’s lines, shoot I even think they nailed the Roamer’s lines.  To me, if they were going to put a fairing on the bike I would rather it have been a single, round LED headlight in more similar manner to the Ducati Sport Classic series. 

[jrt]

We've been seeing predictions of a water cooled Guzzi for over two decades now.  Remember this one?
Personally, I am happy to see the company moving in this direction.  But- that's my opinion.

[Huzo]

Since everyone here is clamoring to hear it  let me be more clear here than my initial “wtf” comments earlier in the thread. 

I actually think the whole bike pops, it really does.  Except that front end which is to my eyes is so bad, it nearly ruins the whole of the bike for me.  It’s a styling choice that just seems utterly bizarre to me.  Unlike some comments here, the front end does not remotely say “modern” to me and, in fact, it says worse than ugly, it says generic.  Not a single one of you blokes can tell me my opinion is wrong any more than I can yours so I’m not criticizing your beloved take on the bike, I’m just saying for me it’s a real disappointment.  Disappointing especially because it’s a new, powerful and impressive looking engine and Guzzi chose to market it with that front end which, again, seems more boring than ugly even.  And this from a guy who thinks they nailed the V7’s lines, they nailed the V85’s lines, shoot I even think they nailed the Roamer’s lines.  To me, if they were going to put a fairing on the bike I would rather it have been a single, round LED headlight in more similar manner to the Ducati Sport Classic series.

What is it about twin discs mated to radial mounted Brembo calipers that suggests it’s not modern ?
I’m not saying you’re wrong, because by definition an opinion can never be wrong, just some justification for your thoughts.
If you had the open book to style the front end, would you have chucked the Ohlins junk in the bin and put something else on ?
What would you have done differently ?

[elrealistico]

So I wonder--how much road testing has been done so far?  Some posters had poo-pood the notion of a "new" guzzi based on the lack of spy sightings of actual road-going machines getting flogged by testers from the factory. Maybe this will start now and up to including the "official" intro at EICMA? Production would have to start soon, to make it to the 2022 northern hemisphere spring market. Not a lot of time to correct deficiencies in design or manufacturing that may come to light with actual heavy road use

[Huzo]

So I wonder--how much road testing has been done so far? Not a lot of time to correct deficiencies in design or manufacturing that may come to light with actual heavy road use

That’s our job...

[egschade]

That’s our job...

Beta testing has shifted from the lab to 'early adopter' consumers. Just like most software...

[Bpreynolds2]

What is it about twin discs mated to radial mounted Brembo calipers that suggests it’s not modern ?
I’m not saying you’re wrong, because by definition an opinion can never be wrong, just some justification for your thoughts.
If you had the open book to style the front end, would you have chucked the Ohlins junk in the bin and put something else on ?
What would you have done differently ?

I’m specifically speaking only of the fairing. 

[Jorg66]

I like it ! New Concept on more than one front. And of course there are complaints, this is not right and that is wrong,Lol.
The right move in my opinion to present a Sport Bike first ,anything after like Tourer ,Adventure will follow .
And don't forget ,for the longest time Moto Guzzi was a single Cylinder Bike ,had one of the last ,69'Falcone .
It was 'radical'for them when the V twin was brought to market.
This Bike/Concept hopefully attracts the 'Young[er] Generation.
Do i want one ,YES  because its so different !

[Sye]

I wonder if they are magnesium covers or painted looky likely?

[Groover]

I fell asleep last night thinking about this bike like a little kid. Been debating the Ducati Multistrada as my main bike/weapon for a while, but just always seemed a little too aggressive and "too much". This v100 just seems easier to live with and really digging the styling. Definitely one I'd consider if I were to ever buy a newer bike from what I see. Moto Guzzi must think highly of this model as well to make it their 100th anniversary model, first water cooled (I think) and giving it the Guzzi's city name. Though... maybe it should have been an electric model