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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #180 on: September 12, 2021, 05:51:42 PM »
sounds like a guzzi. one advantage of water cooling, at least in the past is that it tends to mask other engine sounds.  in doing this, some makers have been able to dial in a little additional exhaust note and still pass the aggregate noise test that governmental entities mandate. here's hoping.  i hope that with double overhead cams, this bike does not have the fighter jet whine from the valvetrain that so many modern bikes have. a friend used to have a triumph triple, tiger i think and coming at you, it sounded like a jet was approaching for all of the cam noise it made.

My friends nicknamed my 800XC the "dust buster". I believe the noise came from the crank gear that transferred power to the transmission.

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #181 on: September 12, 2021, 07:46:21 PM »
When you look at the two bikes, is the large open space above the rear wheel on newer bikes a necessary thing or a styling thing? And is the lack of a front fender cause for concern with road debris flying up against the radiator and engine?

To a degree, there is a styling element, but...

Modern sporting bikes have a lot more suspension travel than vintage bikes.

4.5 to 6 inches travel on modern bikes vs 3 to 4 inches on vintage bikes.
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #182 on: September 12, 2021, 08:31:58 PM »
When you look at the two bikes, is the large open space above the rear wheel on newer bikes a necessary thing or a styling thing? And is the lack of a front fender cause for concern with road debris flying up against the radiator and engine?

No bike in recent memory had more - or uglier - rear tire gap than the Ducati GT1000...


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« Last Edit: September 12, 2021, 09:09:04 PM by rocker59 »
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #183 on: September 12, 2021, 09:04:53 PM »

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #184 on: September 12, 2021, 09:08:38 PM »
in regard to the rear clearance, also 17 inch wheels with much lower aspect ratios as compared to 18 or 19 inch wheels of the past.  I was at a vintage show today and saw a fine example of the Ducati sportclassic 1000.  That gap is really hard to digest for me.  Hopefully it sacks down when you are on it and doesn't look so severe.
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #185 on: September 12, 2021, 10:37:42 PM »
in regard to the rear clearance, also 17 inch wheels with much lower aspect ratios as compared to 18 or 19 inch wheels of the past.  I was at a vintage show today and saw a fine example of the Ducati sportclassic 1000.  That gap is really hard to digest for me.  Hopefully it sacks down when you are on it and doesn't look so severe.

YES, Can’t help but notice that ugly gap! Probably worst of all time on an otherwise classic bike.
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #186 on: September 12, 2021, 10:40:17 PM »
This bike makes me proud I am a Guzzi fan.  You naysayers is why the marque has been stagnant for so long.

Oh come on. The marque has been stagnant for so long because Piaggio’s corporate vision for it is lacking and they opted to shelve the Martini motor in 2014 instead of facing the reality of tightening Euro standards. They could have had a bike much like this to market in 2015. They could have had the Terblanche bikes to market in what, 2012 or so. For that matter, nothing forced them to cancel everything that was under development during Aprilia’s ownership.

They have dusted off this project because Euro 6 plus the embarrassment of facing the 100th anniversary without a new model. One last blast of v-twin fun before everything goes electric, I’m not complaining. (Won’t complain about electric either, the things will be rockets.) 

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Nothing like sales to motivate a manufacturer to spend on product development.

Amen to that, yeah. I will be holding off for a while for the expected 1200 or 1300 sports or sports/tourer but if it never happens, I’ll have one of these.
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #188 on: September 12, 2021, 11:29:52 PM »
Moto Guzzi must think highly of this model as well to make it their 100th anniversary model

It’s the 100th anniversary model because it’s being launched for the 100th anniversary - there isn’t exactly a backup option, haha. I hope they do have good reasons to think highly of it.

Added a bit of roundness, and some smoother flowing lines to the overall design like MV Agusta attempted recently with one of their retro models.

I came so close to giving up and just buying a Superveloce, they are gorgeous. If it wasn’t for the insane high revs there’d be one in my shed now. I can’t recall what kind of torque it makes but my muscle memory is calibrated for buckets of it, haha.

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So far I've seen photo comparisons with 5-6 other brands that are all very similar in overall design, ie Ducati, Bmw, Honda, Suzuki, the Kawi comparison especially, was very close; they all have a bit of that angry insect, angular, pouncing predator look.

Lots of people noting a bit of ADV in there too. I don’t love the wide front.

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #189 on: September 12, 2021, 11:40:49 PM »
Funny, I compare the styling of my 2003 red 750 Breva and the new V100.
Very similar styling, probably why I like it. :thumb:

For those that say " it looks like.......", which one of those ............. have the motor configuration that the Guzzi has?  A major point of difference.
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #190 on: September 13, 2021, 05:19:19 AM »
in regard to the rear clearance, also 17 inch wheels with much lower aspect ratios as compared to 18 or 19 inch wheels of the past.  I was at a vintage show today and saw a fine example of the Ducati sportclassic 1000.  That gap is really hard to digest for me.  Hopefully it sacks down when you are on it and doesn't look so severe.

The gap pictured is the result of a fairly crude photoshop, I do not understand people's obsession with this or why a bike with its arse dragging on the ground is desirable from an aesthetics or engineering point of view.

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #191 on: September 13, 2021, 05:43:22 AM »
how much does it weigh????

I'm going to guess 520#, or about the same as the R1200RS which it is obviously targeted against.s
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #192 on: September 13, 2021, 09:07:43 AM »
Apologies if someone else brought this up but there appears to be no CARC-like floating final drive. Or am I missing something (again)?  :grin:
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #193 on: September 13, 2021, 09:40:13 AM »
Apologies if someone else brought this up but there appears be no CARC-like floating final drive. Or am I missing something (again)?  :grin:

With Guzzi engine/gearbox packages getting shorter, Piaggio has apparently figured out that a long swing arm works well enough.  The same is true for the V85TT and riding mine I detect no ‘jacking’ like you’d feel on an older Guzzi or BMW.  Other shaft driven bikes like inline four cylinder Hondas (700 Nighthawk being one example) have taken the same approach.

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #194 on: September 13, 2021, 09:51:58 AM »
With Guzzi engine/gearbox packages getting shorter, Piaggio has apparently figured out that a long swing arm works well enough.  The same is true for the V85TT and riding mine I detect no ‘jacking’ like you’d feel on an older Guzzi or BMW.  Other shaft driven bikes like inline four cylinder Hondas (700 Nighthawk being one example) have taken the same approach.

Something about 70hp vs 120hp People have suggested its internal, massive fail if they've decided to skip it IMO.

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #195 on: September 13, 2021, 10:46:41 AM »
This is almost exactly the bike that I was hoping MG would develop.  My V11 Sport's ergonomics are a little too extreme in my old age and it pretty much rules out any serious touring.  This looks like a perfect solution and I will definitely be in the queue to lay down the cash for this spectaular motorcycle.  It makes me proud that I have remained loyal to Moto Guzzi for 44 years... 

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #196 on: September 13, 2021, 11:10:57 AM »
I'd prefer a model with less plastic but this might be the first new bike I will buy since 2013.

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #197 on: September 13, 2021, 11:14:07 AM »
This also means all Tech's have to go to class usually in CA at warranty headquarters costing dealers who want to stay currant and receive the new model. No class no new models is how it works.
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #198 on: September 13, 2021, 11:27:03 AM »
The gap pictured is the result of a fairly crude photoshop, I do not understand people's obsession with this or why a bike with its arse dragging on the ground is desirable from an aesthetics or engineering point of view.

Even laden, the GT1000's rear fender gap was on the extreme side, thanks to designer Pierre Terblanche.

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #199 on: September 13, 2021, 11:53:16 AM »
The Paul Smart version looks better with the high pipes. The stock version hides more of that gap but the left side is completely open.





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« Reply #200 on: September 13, 2021, 12:07:36 PM »
That's actually 2 bikes I consider as serious Breva750 replacements for me; the V7 850 with hard luggage, and the V100 with hard luggage (HB by preference). It took from 2004 when I bought my first B750 until the 850s came out for me to think a fair dinkum worthwhile upgrade had been produced. Now there's an upgrade x 10, but I wonder if my short legs will handle it, or my bank balance (lets be honest - loan repayments) can stand it.
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #201 on: September 13, 2021, 12:53:56 PM »
Do they come with a tool kit?

Do they come with replacement valve trains?

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #202 on: September 13, 2021, 01:22:42 PM »


Wind tunnel testing to see how it handles strong cross winds?    :grin:

Seriously, though, I really like what I'm seeing in this new platform, and exciting to see the whole range when it eventually comes out.
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #203 on: September 13, 2021, 03:31:45 PM »
Even laden, the GT1000's rear fender gap was on the extreme side, thanks to designer Pierre Terblanche.



As this matters because? I like suspension travel and lower unsprung weights.

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #204 on: September 13, 2021, 04:50:57 PM »
Well halleluiah!! I've been patiently waiting for this for a LONG time. I find it to be the natural evolution from:

This:




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To this:





Over the years I've tried the various California variants (owned two) and the adventurers and ultimately the don't work for me, neither aesthetically nor ergonomically. My SP still, with a few modifications, works better for me than any Guzzi to date. I just can't be comfortable in the upright seating position of a cruiser or adv. bike but I can go for hours with a slight forward lean, and some weight on my hands and shoulders, and my feet under my  hips. This distributes across my butt and upper thighs and eliminates the compression on my spine.

I'm really excited about this new bike and will be calling my "local" dealer tomorrow to talk about putting down a deposit! I've got double hip replacements coming up early in 2022 so I'm hoping one will be waiting for me when I'm ready to ride again. Maybe wishful thinking but I've waited this long, I can wait a little longer. at least I'll have something to help occupy recovery time.

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #205 on: September 13, 2021, 07:02:49 PM »
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #206 on: September 13, 2021, 08:05:54 PM »
As this matters because? I like suspension travel and lower unsprung weights.

We both know Terblanche screwed the pooch with the rear styling on the bike.  You could remove the springs from the shocks, bottom them out, and still run a herd of cats through the gap between the fender and tire.
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #207 on: September 13, 2021, 08:10:11 PM »
We both know Terblanche screwed the pooch with the rear styling on the bike.  You could remove the springs from the shocks, bottom them out, and still run a herd of cats through the gap between the fender and tire.

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #208 on: September 13, 2021, 08:25:51 PM »
I notice this morning that the more I see it, the more I like it.

Of course I thought my Breva was all kinds of ugly, at first.

And I thought the GRiSO was ugly when I first saw it...  Eventually I came to my senses!

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #209 on: September 13, 2021, 08:37:20 PM »
Back in the early '90's ('93 IIRC), Dodge redesigned their light truck line. I read the early reviews and previews and it was an almost 50/50 "love it!/hate it!" ratio from the public and the automotive press.
Someone interviewed one of the company's designers/engineers and asked what Dodge was going to do about the naysayers. The reply was "Nothing! We are very happy with the strong reaction.  The worst thing that could happen would be indifference!"
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