2024 V85 TT merged threadfest

[janguzzi]

A LOT of updates:
https://www.motoguzzi.com/en_EN/moto-guzzi-world/news-moto-guzzi/new-v85/

[twowheeladdict]

For those that wanted cast wheels, no more excuses! 

[Dave Swanson]

I just got back from throwing rocks at my 2022 after reading this.   

Some very nice updates!!  MG has been busy, and here I was thinking the V85TT was on their back burner-wrong.

[egschade]

Here's a write up from Motorcycle.com https://www.motorcycle.com/bikes/new-model-preview/2024-moto-guzzi-v85-range-first-look-44596351

From the article: "Moto Guzzi has updated its V85 adventure range, adopting variable valve timing, a six-axis IMU, and adding a new road-oriented V85 Strada variant joining the V85 TT and the luggage-equipped V85 TT Travel."

There are some pretty bold claims on torque and HP improvements "Moto Guzzi claims the engine provides a peak output of 61.2 lb-ft. at 5,100 rpm, with 90% of that peak available at 3,500 rpm. Peak power output also sees a boost, with Moto Guzzi claiming an increase to 80 hp at 7,750 rpm from the previous 76 hp at 7,500 rpm. "

[inditx]

I’m throwing the penalty flag! 
I definitely wanted cast wheels.
What’s the scoop on variable timing and does that change valve check adjustment intervals and/or the screw and lock type adjusters?
inditx

[jrt]

Variable timing has been a thing on cars (I believe) for quite a while.  I suspect they are talking about ignition timing, not valve-train timing.
Although...even my tacoma has variable valve timing.  I do not know the advantages/tradeoffs of variable valve timing.   I do have a BMW R1250RS with a shift cam, but that is a bit different.  The bimmer goes like stink, I can say that. 

[9fingers]

Variable valve timing allows and engine to have great torque at lower and mid RPMs and great horsepower at the top end. So they made the engine both cleaner AND more powerful, which is very awesome. Very nice to see them continuing to upgrade the V85 platform. I wonder if they will give the same variable valve timing to the V7? It is basically the same engine and though I think the V7 is plenty powerful already, more power is certainly OK as well.
Scott

[s1120]

I gotta say im a little scared about the roll out of variable valve timing. Yes it has been around for decades on other engines, but see how they did hydraulic lifters...  Also Im kinda wondering why the Strada doesn't have a lower front fender? You would think a road going focused V85 would at least have a lower under fender.

Other then that I like the changes, and it nice to see that they are still investing in the old air cooled platform.

[SLDMRossi]

https://www.rideapart.com/news/694988/2024-moto-guzzi-v85tt-range/

Steven Rossi

[steven c]

 I think the bigger TFT screen and normal switches are a big plus. It's nice they are evolving the TT not just adding bold new colors.

[mondtster]

It looks like there are some nice improvements this time, and I'd be curious to ride one to compare it to my 2020 MY V85. I might have to get a set of the cast wheels for mine eventually, once they are easy to find.

[Speedfrog]

Also Im kinda wondering why the Strada doesn't have a lower front fender? You would think a road going focused V85 would at least have a lower under fender.

It looks like it does . . . ok, it’s only a half fender but it’s there ==>
And I think those wheels look great!

[s1120]

It looks like it does . . . ok, it’s only a half fender but it’s there ==>
And I think those wheels look great!

Ahhh OK, these old eyes missed that. I also think the wheels are pretty cool.

[motogoro]

IMU?  Had to look it up after reading an ADV piece on the '24 V85.  I don't yet own a bike with ABS, doubtful I'll ever graduate beyond a bike with EFI.  LOL

[Kev m]

It is basically the same engine and though I think the V7 is plenty powerful already, more power is certainly OK as well.
Scott

Ehhhhhhhhh, but is it really?

I know it's popular to say that but they are as different as "the same engine" can be.

Different valve trains, different lubrication system, different EFI system.

Looking at EFI alone they are very different in terms of ECU and throttle body. And besides size and serviceability what's the biggest difference in those parts?!? COST.

So I'm just gonna go ahead and predict NO.

They are not going to add VVT to the V7 series (unless emissions forces them to, and I bet even that is unlikely).

Though I'll continue to shout to the stars how wonderful it would be for an actual Racer or Lemans model V7 made with the engine, USD forks, and triple discs brakes of a V85. At least then hopefully I could change it to a more standard riding position version and have both the performance and aesthetics. But I'm not holding my breath for that either.

[bigbikerrick]

Hi folks, a friend forwarded this  short article on ADV rider, telling me that Moto guzzi is finally coming out of the "stone age" .....Im not sure if the meant the "California Stone" or something else!
 
I must admitt, I miss the rear trellis frame on the older model. I think that made the bike look cool, and seems useful.
anyway, here is the article. enjoy.
https://www.advrider.com/moto-guzzi-v85-range-gets-variable-valve-timing-advanced-electronics/.

Rick.

[Dirk_S]

I’m curious as well about the VVT. Harley included VVT on their CVO motor, but that’s liquid-cooled. Is this V85 setup oil pressure-actuated? And does it still allow for easy clearance adjustments? My ignorant pea brain assumes so, as the cam should be in its proper place at stop, and you can’t really adjust valve clearance for the higher setting if it ain’t moving. But, now you also have more sliding parts. Again, pretty ignorant…but curious to learn more.

[rocker59]

I've merged three threads, so far, on the new for 2024 V85.

Please use this thread for news and info on the updated/upgraded V85 line, 2024-up.

[rocker59]

  I was thinking the V85TT was on their back burner-wrong.

Me, too.  Not sure there is much functional difference in a V85TT and a V100 Stelvio, but I guess Guzzi believes there is room for both.  Sort of like all the sizes of CUV/SUV autos out there in the world, these days.

[PeteS]

The spoke wheel models appear to have the spokes attach to outside of the rim. I don’t see any mention of them being tubeless though. The Stelvio impresses with 115 HP but weight would rule that one out for me. V85 is looking better and better.

Pete

[rocker59]

  I do not know the advantages/tradeoffs of variable valve timing.     

Engines have different needs throughout the rev range.  VVT allows the engine to adjust to those varying needs.

The tradeoff is more stuff to break or wear out.

[rocker59]

The spoke wheel models appear to have the spokes attach to outside of the rim. I don’t see any mention of them being tubeless though. The Stelvio impresses with 115 HP but weight would rule that one out for me. V85 is looking better and better.

Pete

Wheels are Tubeless.

V85 has a larger fuel tank, which matters for those who ride in The West.

[PeteS]

Engines have different needs throughout the rev range.  VVT allows the engine to adjust to those varying needs.

The tradeoff is more stuff to break or wear out.

Hondas and Toyotas among others have been using VVT for years. My 2003 Camry has 207,000 miles with zero issues.

Pete

[rocker59]

Hondas and Toyotas among others have been using VVT for years. My 2003 Camry has 207,000 miles with zero issues.

Pete

Cars have also had hydraulic lifters since 1955.  We saw the unfortunate issues at Aprilia/Guzzi 20-years ago with the PI Californias.  Luckily, Piaggio is in command and I have more confidence they'll get it right.  Still, it's more moving parts, so more chance of something coming up.

[zedXmick]

Love the updates to this 85!! This is on my list of 5 bikes for next year! 

[Bulldog9]

I’m throwing the penalty flag! 
I definitely wanted cast wheels.
What’s the scoop on variable timing and does that change valve check adjustment intervals and/or the screw and lock type adjusters?
inditx

VVT generally changes the timing of the Camshaft, just guessing, but I would be looking there and surprised if this effected the top end of the motor (meaning rockers and adjusters) but who knows these days.

VERY glad to hear they are keeping this platform going, now let's see a non ADV approach! Dump the Dual Headlights and front/rear Trellis frame components, streamline the body work, This should be the basis for the Racer or Corsa, let the V7 keep the vintage cruiser.

[Huzo]

VERY glad to hear they are keeping this platform going, now let's see a non ADV approach! Dump the Dual Headlights and front/rear Trellis frame components, streamline the body work, This should be the basis for the Racer or Corsa, let the V7 keep the vintage cruiser.

Well well well…..
When I suggested this EXACT thing back when the small V7, V9 hit the streets, I proposed an 850 street based variant using that engine, with the same design brief of the 80’s Le Mans’.
My suggestion was that it could sit between the V7 and the V9 and as a tip of the hat to yesteryear, be dubbed the V8.

I was and possibly still will be roundly criticised, which I dine out on hungrily, but I’d be keen to see if your proposal gets up.
Maybe it will.
Back then most of the luminaries were scared of Pete Roper  and Beetle…

[Clifton]

So here it is February, has anyone seen a 2024 V85TT yet? Or have an ETA?

[kingoffleece]

I waited until tubeless spoke wheels were standard.  The improvements are nice but my 03 is fine as is.

[Huzo]

I waited until tubeless spoke wheels were standard.  The improvements are nice but my 03 is fine as is.

’23…?