Wildgoose Chase Moto Guzzi
General Category => Bike Builds, Rebuilds And Restorations Only => Topic started by: Turin on September 13, 2020, 03:20:47 PM
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Earlier the year I bought a Racebike Chassis and tank that was built by Andy Sidlow from the UK in the late '80's. It was raced for the '87 or '88 season before it was retired in favor of a spine frame. It was an impulse buy.
(https://i.ibb.co/QmZY6HC/raceco-10.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QmZY6HC)
I have a bunch of leftover parts from the LeMans SE racebike restoration/build and am going to use them up here.
The frame had been altered from the original build and I will be putting it back.
As purchased-
(https://i.ibb.co/Mc2FZGy/Raceco-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Mc2FZGy)
Rear frame deleted. will be doing a proper subframe
(https://i.ibb.co/H245SXh/20200606-162528-resized.jpg) (https://ibb.co/H245SXh)
Frame sandblasted, exposing old school bronze welds
(https://i.ibb.co/PD4ShZP/brazed-frame-4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PD4ShZP)
Will be installing a Lemans 1000 motor that already has a cam, but no heads. I have a bare set of big valve heads and am deciding where to send them. I'm not concerned with streetability, as I have other bikes that fit that bill.
other parts going in,
Tranny - Cal III
clutch - transkontinental
rear drive 7:33
forks - lemans 1000
carbs - lectron 40's
Wheels - 17"
brakes - got that covered too.
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Hi Turin,
Very cool project, will definitly follow along here. Do you know if the bike was succesful compared to the competition in the day?
It is an interesting way they have mounted the rear shock. Right on the middle of a piece of tube.
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I don't know if it was successful. probably not. They did switch to a spineframe the next year. It was designed with quick drivetrain swaps in mind.
upper shock mounting-
(https://i.ibb.co/xLRz99K/brazed-frame-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xLRz99K)
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Very cool. Thanks for the thread. I'll be watching.
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Very interesting frame, it will be a cool bike!
Looking forward to watching your progress, if it’s anything like your last GUZZI build it will be stunning.
Jim
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Watching this one too!
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some period bits -
lectron 40's
(https://i.ibb.co/pys4BCs/lectron-40-s-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pys4BCs)
Transkontinental clutch
(https://i.ibb.co/jvm13Zk/transk-clutch.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jvm13Zk)
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Mock up bodywork. It's starting to look like something.
(https://i.ibb.co/JmqpDZt/20201017-195410-resized.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JmqpDZt)
(https://i.ibb.co/1r27YYZ/20201017-195441-resized.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1r27YYZ)
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Wheels and brakes
(https://i.ibb.co/9Yp67g4/20201019-210718.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9Yp67g4)
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Very interesting and cool project!
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Dave,
tell me about the Eraldo-ised V11 sport!
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Dave,
tell me about the Eraldo-ised V11 sport!
Al, the fellow I bought the V11S from was the original owner. He purchased it as a new leftover 2004 the summer of 2009 from Rose Farm Classics and had it shipped to New Jersey. Al had known Eraldo Ferrraci for many years, since the Fast By Ferracci shop had opened not far from his house. Al promptly brought the bike to FBF and Eraldo performed a few of the usual modifications - the front crossover was eliminated, de-cat, slip ons and "race" ECU. I must say this is one strong V11S!!!
(https://i.postimg.cc/Kv5cHjBL/IMG-3381.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qzzdtkmM)
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Very nice. No Ferracci pistons ? I ask because I'm altering the lemans 1000 engine due to be put in this abomination.
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Very nice. No Ferracci pistons ? I ask because I'm altering the lemans 1000 engine due to be put in this abomination.
No internal modifications. Just the basics.
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Got my 92mm Ferracci (Wiesco) pistons and stainless "Super Flo" valves. Ferracci needs to Fire the guy who etches their pistons. Kibble white springs not pictured.
(https://i.ibb.co/X7NrrW7/ferraci-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/X7NrrW7)
(https://i.ibb.co/jkr9WTk/ferraci-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jkr9WTk)
(https://i.ibb.co/2sRL0Mk/ferraci-3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2sRL0Mk)
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Got my 92mm Ferracci (Wiesco) pistons and stainless "Super Flo" valves. Ferracci needs to Fire the guy who etches their pistons. Kibble white springs not pictured.
(https://i.ibb.co/X7NrrW7/ferraci-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/X7NrrW7)
(https://i.ibb.co/jkr9WTk/ferraci-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jkr9WTk)
(https://i.ibb.co/2sRL0Mk/ferraci-3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2sRL0Mk)
Gear Head Porn!! :bow:
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drivetrain mock up.
(https://i.ibb.co/bzK87dY/125420922-2721735301476041-2206147959738562362-o.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bzK87dY)
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Al, the fellow I bought the V11S from was the original owner. He purchased it as a new leftover 2004 the summer of 2009 from Rose Farm Classics and had it shipped to New Jersey. Al had known Eraldo Ferrraci for many years, since the Fast By Ferracci shop had opened not far from his house. Al promptly brought the bike to FBF and Eraldo performed a few of the usual modifications - the front crossover was eliminated, de-cat, slip ons and "race" ECU. I must say this is one strong V11S!!!
(https://i.postimg.cc/Kv5cHjBL/IMG-3381.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qzzdtkmM)
THAT...!
Is the nicest bike I’ve ever seen, better than anything I have ever owned. I reckon I’m gunna’ get one... :clock:
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Also Turin.
This will be a great thread to follow. It might silence a few detractors of the Griso/Stelvio engined MGS01 concept.
Yours will be similar style of project.. :popcorn: x 100.. :bow: :thumb:
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Mock up looking good. Is that the original SE main block? Looks hardly used.
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That is the original SE Block. I bought a set of bare big valve heads years ago. Heads will be reworked. According to Lance Baker, that engine has a cam he got from John Wittner, so I'd guess it's a Norris RR3. Should go pretty good.
Huzo, I disagree. Your project is a much more Herculean effort. ( I'm looking forward to seeing it) We all know what an MGS-01 is so there will be expectations right or wrong.
I have free reign to do whatever i want. I could paint this thing pink with purple bathtub flowers and install a banana seat and ape hangers and there would be no nits to pick.
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Huzo, I disagree. Your project is a much more Herculean effort. ( I'm looking forward to seeing it) We all know what an MGS-01 is so there will be expectations right or wrong.
My MGS/Griso fantasy is just that...A fantasy, because to procure an engineless MGS is out of the question to the great unwashed like me, so back to you..
I’ll be watching every step of your project, it will answer a few questions and silence a few critics..Bravo....!
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THAT...!
Is the nicest bike I’ve ever seen, better than anything I have ever owned. I reckon I’m gunna’ get one... :clock:
That is one helluva compliment! It is a beauty! Thanks Huzo
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Got my 92mm Ferracci (Wiesco) pistons and stainless "Super Flo" valves. Ferracci needs to Fire the guy who etches their pistons. Kibble white springs not pictured.
(https://i.ibb.co/X7NrrW7/ferraci-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/X7NrrW7)
(https://i.ibb.co/jkr9WTk/ferraci-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jkr9WTk)
(https://i.ibb.co/2sRL0Mk/ferraci-3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2sRL0Mk)
Beautiful! And quite a bit of self promotion for a part that seldom sees daylight! :cheesy:
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Very cool. It's looking good, Turin.
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My MGS/Griso fantasy is just that...A fantasy, because to procure an engineless MGS is out of the question to the great unwashed like me, so back to you..
I’ll be watching every step of your project, it will answer a few questions and silence a few critics..Bravo....!
https://www.guareschimoto.it/gc-corse-kit-varano/ (https://www.guareschimoto.it/gc-corse-kit-varano/)
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https://www.guareschimoto.it/gc-corse-kit-varano/ (https://www.guareschimoto.it/gc-corse-kit-varano/)
Very cool!!
(https://i.postimg.cc/bJxXFXz2/IMG-20180605-144730-resized-20180605-101808810.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sQg0vNGV)
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Nothing wrong with that gem. I'd have one in a heartbeat.
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Wheels and brakes
(https://i.ibb.co/9Yp67g4/20201019-210718.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9Yp67g4)
What wheels and brake rotors are those?
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Nothing wrong with that gem. I'd have one in a heartbeat.
See..?
This is what I’ve been blabbing on about for years. Why would you not ?
It will not matter if a Desmosedici is faster..
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I'm with you bud. Who can ride a desmosedici to it's full potential on the street? I'm also not a fan of electronic controls... it's cheating.
Brakes - ISR. Wheels - Adattarlo. :grin:
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It’s just so raw and visceral.
A Desmosedici is like Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson soaked in perfume.
The GRISO/MGS is like Mike Tyson soaked in sweat.
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Earlier the year I bought a Racebike Chassis and tank that was built by Andy Sidlow from the UK in the late '80's. It was raced for the '87 or '88 season before it was retired in favor of a spine frame. It was an impulse buy.
Fascinating. What provenance do you have to positively track it back to Sidlow? The brazing certainly looks like his trademark work, but the stuff around the swing arm pivot is not brazed. I see you have a different swing arm to that in the first pic which shows a floating FD.
Regardless, it is an interesting frame and I will follow with interest, good work so far.
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Provenance came from the fellow I bought it from, and Confirmed by pictures and Amedeo from raceco. From what I gather, it was a raced for a season and was a testbed. It was abandoned when the spineframe became available. It was twitchy and the second owner performed the rear swing arm was change. Some or the rear work will be revised. This is not some world championship winning racer. I had a Lemans 1000 motor with a hot cam in it, a tranny, forks and wheels. This frame became available and it was really different.
(https://i.ibb.co/vBPLLb1/91365382-10163473697910145-6993159471828566016-o.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vBPLLb1)
(https://i.ibb.co/2s6gSgF/raceco-10.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2s6gSgF)
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Provenance came from the fellow I bought it from, and Confirmed by pictures and Amedeo from raceco. From what I gather, it was a raced for a season and was a testbed. It was abandoned when the spineframe became available. It was twitchy and the second owner performed the rear swing arm was change. Some or the rear work will be revised. This is not some world championship winning racer. I had a Lemans 1000 motor with a hot cam in it, a tranny, forks and wheels. This frame became available and it was really different.
I'm not disputing it for a moment, in fact I think its a cool project & I would like to follow it. I met Andy when he passed through NZ a few years ago, he stood in my workshop and gave me great advice regarding mt replica Egli Vincent frame. By all accounts, he made more than a few, & I have seen one which arrived here about that time. We were surrounded by Guzzis in my shop but I dont recall Andy mentioning that he had ever had involvement with a Guzzi frame for anyone, but then we were engrossed in Egli talk at the time. :laugh:
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I didn't take it that way at all. I had no clue who he was until after I bought it. As far as I'm concerned, it is a weird one off race bike frame campaigned by Raceco UK. for a short time. I still don't know much about him, there is not a lot of info about him on the net. I'd love his E-mail to send him a picture when it's done. You wouldn't happen to have that, would you? :grin:
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Maybe he can be located through this Facebook page?
https://www.facebook.com/raceco.uk/?__tn__=-UC (https://www.facebook.com/raceco.uk/?__tn__=-UC)*F
I really know nothing at all about him other than what I'm learning from this thread, but I would like to know where those cool Astralite wheels went and if I can have them :azn:
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I've already contacted Amedeo. Andy Sidlow is the mystery person.
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I've already contacted Amedeo. Andy Sidlow is the mystery person.
Yes, he is very elusive. It took a considerable amount of time & effort to track him down 7 or 8 years ago. Then he passed through NZ and returned to the UK and disappeared again. I havent heard of him since. He chooses to live in the shadows.
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Contacted Mr. Sidlow. It is one of his early frames :grin:
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Contacted Mr. Sidlow. It is one of his early frames :grin:
:thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
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Very cool.
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At a point in the bikes history, the frame was modified poorly. The Original frame was made from thin wall T45 steel tubing. All the recent stuff is being cut away and tossed. Everything will be put back as originally intended with Chrome moly 4130 tubing. My Buddy Tom Hull is on the job!
(https://i.ibb.co/pR6DfgP/thumbnail-20201226-153355.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pR6DfgP)
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(https://i.ibb.co/x59KWff/133863009-3679557368776504-4914757302641815991-o.jpg) (https://ibb.co/x59KWff)
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Wow that’s a major commitment!
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I'm lucky. My buddy Tom Hull ( local euro bike fixer ) really likes fabricating and the creative process. He saw the two distinct types of welding and said that shit has to go before I had a chance to open my pie hole. I'm more of the vision / parts accumulator. My last project and a lot of these parts came from his Dad who was THE guzzi dealer here in phoenix up until about '97 .
Triple clamps with short head stem.
(https://i.ibb.co/w05YH2Y/short-head-triple-trees.jpg) (https://ibb.co/w05YH2Y)
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Got some 1" T45 Round tubing an frame rebuild has started.
(https://i.ibb.co/FbXxcdt/3-25-2021-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FbXxcdt)
(https://i.ibb.co/1qbPwvv/3-25-2021-4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1qbPwvv)
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Great to see progress. Even better to have someone available that can help do it properly. Thanks for posting.
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I like the work on the triples, As you may recall, I've had my eyes on those for a while now, so I like to keep track of them - I want them now even more than before :-)
Which fork/fork tubes do you plan on using? Are there ones like the LM1000, but shorter?
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Stock lemans 1000 front end.
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Good to see progress. I was informed recently that T45 tube is European mm sizes, have you procured 25mm? (or was I given duff gen?) It will be great to see it repaired with the same material that Mr Sidlow used to build it.
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the tubing came in 25.4 mm / 1 inch.
Here's the latest mock up to see where thing are going to sit.
(https://i.ibb.co/6twLKkc/wheels-4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6twLKkc)
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Very cool.
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:thumb:
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the tubing came in 25.4 mm / 1 inch.
Here's the latest mock up to see where thing are going to sit.
(https://i.ibb.co/6twLKkc/wheels-4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6twLKkc)
Isn't it going to be uncomfortable with the battery where it is? :wink:
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So, assuming the battery won't go there, where will it go? Is there enough room in the seat hump for it?
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under the seat hump is one possibility, and building a box for the electronics under the tank is another. I'm leaning towards the seat. That's where it originally lived.
(https://i.ibb.co/Bq7dGpY/raceco-10.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Bq7dGpY)
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VERY unique and interesting project. Love the history behind it! Good on you for preserving/restoring it. :thumb:
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Not much to report. Cylinder heads are going on a flow bench and getting the works.
here is my new fork brace.
(https://i.ibb.co/phb7fDk/thumbnail-brace-5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/phb7fDk)
(https://i.ibb.co/7K3btnC/thumbnail-brace-9.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7K3btnC)
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Glad to hear & see anything you've got to post, man. You're way ahead of me....
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Fork plate looks great, who makes those? 180mm fork spacing, right?
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Custom made by a local machinist. He's the guy who made the triple clams, fork brace and lightened flywheel for the daves cycle racebike that became my LeMans SE special.
(https://i.ibb.co/WcG6B8S/fork-brace-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WcG6B8S)
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Progress is slow. Did get the heads ported and flowed.
(https://i.ibb.co/QpjXVyc/heads-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QpjXVyc)
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No matter- progress IS progress. Very cool. Thanks for the pics.
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(https://i.ibb.co/7j5jZ5p/heads-4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7j5jZ5p)
(https://i.ibb.co/D5BLg82/heads-6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/D5BLg82)
(https://i.ibb.co/cvynCZR/heads-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cvynCZR)
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Exhaust mock up. 1.75" Stainless tube with equal length headers.
(https://i.ibb.co/b7j5HWD/exhaust3-4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/b7j5HWD)
(https://i.ibb.co/zGLJDLY/exhaust-2-3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zGLJDLY)
(https://i.ibb.co/Bj3h4wM/exhaust-2-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Bj3h4wM)
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That makes the exhaust plans for my Corsa Record look like a walk in the park... Very cool.
Gotta ask about potential exhaust heat vs fuel/gas tank issues. Will there be any heat shield, baffle, exhaust wrap, ?
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Not an issue. The gas tank is miles away. There is not much choice if I want equal length head pipes. The frame wants what it wants. My buddy Tom Hull loves making exhaust systems.
(https://i.ibb.co/wRxFKMC/exhaust-3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wRxFKMC)
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That’s a helluva friend! Looking great!
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Nice job, very Turbo :bow: