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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: LowRyter on September 08, 2017, 08:44:02 PM
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I just got an e-mail from Ducati. For all you speed freaks, the new Superbike Duc will be a V4 MotoGP derivation. Link provided.
http://desmosedicistradale.ducati.com/en_us/
so for all you guys that want get a $20k+ Duc sportbike, here it is.
Now, the not so good.
When the Guzzi foursome was traveling from the Springfield Mile, we were hanging with a Duc Mulitstrada rider. For you DYI guys, This is what he said:
This guy likes to change his own oil (who doesn't?). He said that the computer oil-mile counter will put the bike in "limp mode" (20 mph) unless a dealer resets the oil-mile counter. This guy lives 100 miles from nearest dealer (Tulsa to OKC) and the dealer hasn't touched his bike for less than $400. To make matters worse, he found out when he was riding to Alaska and luckily the bike went into limp mode when he was close to Salt Lake City. He had changed the oil himself but didn't have a way to reset the oil minder.
Anyway, food for thought.
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He must have been in limp mode when we dusted his ass south of Jefferson City :grin:
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Desmosedici Stradale
14:01 compression
Max power More than 210 Hp @ 13,000 rpm*
Max torque More than 120 Nm (88.51 lb-ft) from 8,750 to 12,250 rpm*
Firing order “Twin-Pulse” firing order with crankshaft-pins staggered by 70 degrees (Chuck or Kirby might explain this :shocked:)
Timing system Desmodromic timing system with chain and dual overhead camshafts, 4 valves per cylinder
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He must have been in limp mode when we dusted his ass south of Jefferson City :grin:
Yep, they left about 20 minutes before us. We caught them in about an hour when they were drafting an F150. I made command decision to blow by them on the Greenie.
I was afraid we might get in an accident if the Multistrada guy went into limp mode. :wink:
Yep, had to pass them for the interest of public safety. :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
We never saw them again. :whip2:
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What did you think of 125 from Sparta south?
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125 was a nice ride. Had a club samwich (good) at the truck stop on I44 and ice cream at the Peel Ferry. Nice curves and roller coaster.
Got to my cousin's in Harrison and took the long way home on cool late-start Tuesday. Jasper to 23 to 16 to Fayetteville. Then to Tahlequah and had chicken for lunch at Ft Gibson- Dusty didn't answer his phone for lunch. Got home about 5:30. No interstates nor turnpikes.
Changed out my brakes today. The right inside pad was misaligned and wearing on the edge. Cleaned and lubed calibers, new pads and brake fluid. I think they were original pads (41k miles).
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firing order with crankshaft-pins staggered by 70 degrees (Chuck or Kirby might explain this :shocked:)
If the Duck can do it, then Guzzi can bring back the bicilindri!
(http://thumb.ibb.co/m7vxYa/IMG_2782.jpg) (http://ibb.co/m7vxYa)
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Firing order �Twin-Pulse� firing order with crankshaft-pins staggered by 70 degrees (Chuck or Kirby might explain this :shocked:)
Or, being from Bologna, they might actually be staggered by 290 degrees! :evil:
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Not sure about the Fugli Strada, but with the earlier bikes you could reset the service light with Ducati Diag
Seen this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LdSBrPRtlU&pbjreload=10 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LdSBrPRtlU&pbjreload=10)
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Doesn't make a lot of sense that it would go into limp mode just because the "oil service" light comes on; that would present a safety problem.
My (former) 2014 Ducati Monster 1200 "oil service" light came on at the appointed time and could not be reset by me. (I read about some smartphone app that might do it, but it's not resettable the way it is on earlier Ducatis.) I do my own oil changes and hell will freeze over before I pay someone to reset a damn light. Got rid of the bike and won't have another.
But it did not go into limp mode.
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IIRC he said the light was on for a long time before it went into limp mode. And he has a 2014 Multi.
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Ducati
Nature's way of saying
You have too much money
Dusty
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Ducati must be following the Microsoft business model.
Make your product highly desirable, but make it unusable after a set number of years. :grin:
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Ducati must be following the Microsoft Apple business model.
Make your product highly desirable, but make it unusable after a set number of years. :grin:
Fixt
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IIRC he said the light was on for a long time before it went into limp mode. And he has a 2014 Multi.
I remember that he mentioned something about which model years were affected.
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I just got an e-mail from Ducati. For all you speed freaks, the new Superbike Duc will be a V4 MotoGP derivation. Link provided.
http://desmosedicistradale.ducati.com/en_us/
so for all you guys that want get a $20k+ Duc sportbike, here it is.
Now, the not so good.
When the Guzzi foursome was traveling from the Springfield Mile, we were hanging with a Duc Mulitstrada rider. For you DYI guys, This is what he said:
This guy likes to change his own oil (who doesn't?). He said that the computer oil-mile counter will put the bike in "limp mode" (20 mph) unless a dealer resets the oil-mile counter. This guy lives 100 miles from nearest dealer (Tulsa to OKC) and the dealer hasn't touched his bike for less than $400. To make matters worse, he found out when he was riding to Alaska and luckily the bike went into limp mode when he was close to Salt Lake City. He had changed the oil himself but didn't have a way to reset the oil minder.
Anyway, food for thought.
Sounds like one NHTSA safety case or Magnuson-Moss based class action lawsuit away from an official Ducati fix for owners to DIY the reset.
I mean it's a safety issue if it goes into limp home for no other reason.
And if they are essentially requiring you to use their service they are required to provide for free (at least under warranty).
Either way there will be a solution, give it time.
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yeah Kev. I think it's restraint of trade. This blocks independents as well as DYIs.
I am going ask my mechanic about it. He's a Duc specialist. I am still considering the new SS. If this is true, I'd never purchase one.
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I don't think this is accurate. My Ducati will pop the Oil Service warning at 9,000 miles, but it doesn't go into limp mode. You can't reset it yourself, which is definitely annoying. Dealer charged me half an hour ($55) to reset it. Nobody buys a Ducati for the low cost of ownership, though.
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Nobody buys a Ducati for the low cost of ownership, though
That's the primary reason I've never owned one. Along with the fact that I'm old, slow, and in the way.
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I don't think this is accurate. My Ducati will pop the Oil Service warning at 9,000 miles, but it doesn't go into limp mode. You can't reset it yourself, which is definitely annoying. Dealer charged me half an hour ($55) to reset it. Nobody buys a Ducati for the low cost of ownership, though.
I thought someone would know the answer regarding limp mode. That's why I posted it.
But what about the new V4? Sounds like a rocket.
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I thought someone would know the answer regarding limp mode. That's why I posted it.
But what about the new V4? Sounds like a rocket.
Yep , it will "rocket" right thru all of your money :shocked: My guess is they will sell enough to be legal for SBK , but the V4 will never become a huge seller . Back in 1994 Atlas had a 916 on the floor, and Ken was telling me all about wonderful it was . No doubt it was the most beautiful sportbike built, but when Ken told me how much a valve adjustment cost, it suddenly was not quite so sexy .
Dusty
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Ducati must be following the Microsoft business model.
Make your product highly desirable, but make it unusable after a set number of years. :grin:
I've got a Hewlett Packard printer that does that - except it's the print cartridges. I use re-filled cartridges and one failed too soon after being replaced. Took it back and found out that HP puts a date stamp in them that renders them un-useable after an un-resetable date. However, some enterprising individuals have discovered a work-around: reset the computer's calendar a year (or twenty) behind. LOL
Guess I won't be getting any new Ducatis any time soon.
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I've got a Hewlett Packard printer that does that - except it's the print cartridges. I use re-filled cartridges and one failed too soon after being replaced. Took it back and found out that HP puts a date stamp in them that renders them un-useable after an un-resetable date. However, some enterprising individuals have discovered a work-around: reset the computer's calendar a year (or twenty) behind. LOL
Guess I won't be getting any new Ducatis any time soon.
I won't be buying any HP printers any time soon.
Thankfully, my 14 year old HP Laserjet 1200 just keeps on going, and the toner cartridges don't have sort of programmed expiration date.
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I don't think this is accurate. My Ducati will pop the Oil Service warning at 9,000 miles, but it doesn't go into limp mode. You can't reset it yourself, which is definitely annoying. Dealer charged me half an hour ($55) to reset it. Nobody buys a Ducati for the low cost of ownership, though.
It'll be a cold day in Hell when I pay somebody $55 to turn off a light that I know for a fact took them less than a minute. (Guzzi content) :smiley:
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It'll be a cold day in Hell when I pay somebody $55 to turn off a light that I know for a fact took them less than a minute. (Guzzi content) :smiley:
I'm OK with it. Plus it's your only option if you don't want to see a warning every time you start the bike. If I paid them to do the oil change the light reset would be included. I figure they have a significant investment in tools and training for the techs so it's a reasonable fee.
Technoresearch had been working on a code reader and reset tool, but that never seemed to work out. Ducatidiag worked for the older Ducs, but I don't think it works with modern electronics.
Again, Ducati=$$$, but worth it to some.
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I'm OK with it. Plus it's your only option if you don't want to see a warning every time you start the bike. If I paid them to do the oil change the light reset would be included. I figure they have a significant investment in tools and training for the techs so it's a reasonable fee.
Technoresearch had been working on a code reader and reset tool, but that never seemed to work out. Ducatidiag worked for the older Ducs, but I don't think it works with modern electronics.
Again, Ducati=$$$, but worth it to some.
Then you are a salesman's dream. Congratulations. :wink: You are at the wrong MC website. Any chance your ride a newer BMW or Harley too?
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Then you are a salesman's dream. Congratulations. :wink: You are at the wrong MC website. Any chance your ride a newer BMW or Harley too?
Really Wayne , man expresses an opinion and we are gonna shun him ?
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Really Wayne , man expresses an opinion and we are gonna shun him ?
There are a few exceptions in my 34 years of owning/riding Moto Guzzis of owners I've met from all over the USA that if it wasn't for the thriftiness of riding this brand they would be riding a different brand, including me. Not that this brand is the only brand I ride. But I sure don't ride any brand that is costly to maintain! :azn: I don't find newer Ducatis fitting my bill.
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There are a few exceptions in my 34 years of owning/riding Moto Guzzis of owners I've met from all over the USA that if it wasn't for the thriftiness of riding this brand they would be riding a different brand, including me. Not that this brand is the only brand I ride. But I sure don't ride any brand that is costly to maintain! :azn: I don't find newer Ducatis fitting my bill.
Fine , but others think differently .
Dusty
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Fine , but others think differently .
Dusty
So what are you saying, Dusty, that you don't mind if most Guzzi riders end up with personalities like Ducati & Harley riders? Different brand MCs attract people with different personalities. That's why MCs don't all look/aren't the same. Different strokes for different folks.
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So what are you saying, Dusty, that you don't mind if most Guzzi riders end up with personalities like Ducati & Harley riders? Different brand MCs attract people with different personalities. That's why MCs don't all look/aren't the same. Different strokes for different folks.
What I'm saying is that you don't get to decide who is welcome here .
Dusty
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I'm OK with it. Plus it's your only option if you don't want to see a warning every time you start the bike. If I paid them to do the oil change the light reset would be included. I figure they have a significant investment in tools and training for the techs so it's a reasonable fee.
Technoresearch had been working on a code reader and reset tool, but that never seemed to work out. Ducatidiag worked for the older Ducs, but I don't think it works with modern electronics.
Again, Ducati=$$$, but worth it to some.
I thought there was an aftermarket solution by now. Maybe it's combined with a timing tool from Rexxer.
Unfortunately DucatiDiag (like GuzziDiag which I believe works on the same models) is designed for Weber-Marelli EFI systems and Ducati switched to Siemens sometime around 2008-10 or so.
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Thumbs up to Dusty! Not picking on you Wayne, but Dusty is spot on on this.
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Seimens! You just put me off Ducati for life.
Sent from my shoe phone!
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Seimens! You just put me off Ducati for life.
I think I've noted it here before but Jenn's Ducati has run flawlessly without the slightest hint of a fueling problem since we bought it new in 2011. I'm just saying.
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No one is talking about the new Superbike V4 with offset crank and stuff I don't understand.
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No one is talking about the new Superbike V4 with offset crank and stuff I don't understand.
Too many cylinders :rolleyes:
Dusty
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Too many cylinders :rolleyes:
Dusty
That's in your opinion, Dusty, which you are welcome to have. :tongue:
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That's in your opinion, Dusty, which you are welcome to have. :tongue:
Yep , notice I didn't say we should shun John for asking the question .
Dusty
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That's in your opinion, Dusty, which you are welcome to have. :tongue:
"Dusty opinion and welcome to have"? ahhh, I am not so sure.
Someone save us. :rolleyes:
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"Dusty opinion and welcome to have"? ahhh, I am not so sure.
Someone save us. :rolleyes:
Two words , counter steering .
Dusty
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Two words , counter steering .
Dusty
Counter steering? No such thing :laugh: 34 years? How many years parked?
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Two words , counter steering .
Dusty
I'll might crashhhhh !
Keep your opinions to yourself.
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I'll might crashhhhh !
Keep your opinions to yourself.
No .
Dusty
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well then, see how that counter steering works our for ya. :azn:
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No one is talking about the new Superbike V4 with offset crank and stuff I don't understand.
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-t-PmEHO5Qes/WbX8A7v4DPI/AAAAAAACjFc/MYzIuC1G1joslwhZA_Bax4Z6DU6J-iudgCLcBGAs/s1600/FB_IMG_1504257846694.jpg)
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Now, the not so good.
He said that the computer oil-mile counter will put the bike in "limp mode" (20 mph) unless a dealer resets the oil-mile counter.
This is not true on any Multistrada or Diavel I am aware of, sorry.
I have a Diavel and performed the desmo service myself (includes valve check, belts, plugs, oil, etc) at 15k miles. It took a few thousand miles after the service for me to get the light reset at the dealer. The reset cost me ~$45. The bike never goes into any limp mode. Non-DVT engine.
A friend has a Multi. He never resets the service light and only does the work himself. Never goes into limp mode. Non-DVT engine.
Forum searches show that it is most likely a throttle position sensor or the box connected to the twist grip might be faulty and this sometimes goes away.
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This is not true on any Multistrada or Diavel I am aware of, sorry.
I have a Diavel and performed the desmo service myself (includes valve check, belts, plugs, oil, etc) at 15k miles. It took a few thousand miles after the service for me to get the light reset at the dealer. The reset cost me ~$45. The bike never goes into any limp mode. Non-DVT engine.
A friend has a Multi. He never resets the service light and only does the work himself. Never goes into limp mode. Non-DVT engine.
Forum searches show that it is most likely a throttle position sensor or the box connected to the twist grip might be faulty and this sometimes goes away.
next time we see the guy, we'll tell him it never happened.
I'll add that the discussion indicated that Duc had inserted the limp mode restriction on recent model year (not sure which).
I might share my discussions with the local Duc store regarding my inquiries regarding the new SS. I specifically asked them about first service. The service manager would not give me a cost. The first "service" is an oil change and inspection of previous set up and assembly tasks. Instead, he just said 2-3 hrs + materials. I guessed "that should be about $240?" He said "that sounds about right." I really wanted to do the oil change myself since I was planning a trip but he didn't give me a warm fuzzy about voiding the warranty. Anyway, back to the limp mode rider, he said that the same dealer has never touched his bike for less than $400. I don't feel they were straight with me.
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This thread is giving me good reason to keep my antique Cali III and Royal Enfield forever. Both are like the last bikes sold in the USA with points ignition! Both very easy bikes to service.
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....He said that the computer oil-mile counter will put the bike in "limp mode" (20 mph) unless a dealer resets the oil-mile counter....
Hmm....
My 2016 Monster went into 'limp mode' because of a throttle sensor problem. As I recollect limp mode is RPM restricted, not MPH restricted. It would not run over 4,000 rpm, which meant top speed on a level road was about 55 mph. Not an optimal situation, but better than 20 mph.
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Mike, you might just run the ol' Monster over the oil minder limit and see. :grin:
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They've also used Mitsubishi ECU's and more recently Bosch on their bikes that have the new lean-angle modulated ABS. The Mitsu ECU's were used as recently as model yr 2014 on the variants of the 1198 testastretta 11 degree engine, and tuners have been able to get into them for a while but the Bosch ECU's are still, AFAIK, not been cracked yet.
Neither my 2013 (mitsu ecu) nor my 2016 (bosch ecu) Multistrada 1200 went limp mode upon the service due light illuminating...
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Vibe I get from Ducati these days is that if price is an issue, please look elsewhere. They aren't looking for you as a customer.
No new Ducs in my near future!
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Nic, that's the vibe I get from my local dealer.
I am upfront and say that I am not a retail buyer and then I asked the service manager the cost of the initial service (and get the runaround). They don't really wanna talk to me anymore.
And then I check Cycle Trader and see that every Duc dealer in the country has a new SS with Ohlin's package (very few basic bikes out there but a glut of loaded ones).
Time is on my side since we're moving into the fall. And time might have saved me since I won't buy a bike that goes into "limp mode" because I want to change my own oil.
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I got Ducati fever back when they made those sweet white framed 900SS (http://databikes.com/imgs/a/d/s/z/o/ducati__900_super_sport__ss_with_white_frame_and_wheels_1991_2_lgw.jpg)
:drool: But, I saved myself a lot of grief. I bought a maintenance manual, thumbed through it, and said, "NOPE!" I love to look at them and hear them run. That will be enough. :wink:
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Not for nothing, but as a third or fourth bike you get to enjoy a Ducati with nothing more than annual oil changes and a belt/shim service every say 5 or more years.
No one said you had to put 10-20k miles per year on it.
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Nic, that's the vibe I get from my local dealer.
I am upfront and say that I am not a retail buyer and then I asked the service manager the cost of the initial service (and get the runaround). They don't really wanna talk to me anymore.
And then I check Cycle Trader and see that every Duc dealer in the country has a new SS with Ohlin's package (very few basic bikes out there but a glut of loaded ones).
Time is on my side since we're moving into the fall. And time might have saved me since I won't buy a bike that goes into "limp mode" because I want to change my own oil.
If you can forego the Ohlins you'll save $1800 or so. And if you buy before Sept 30 they have a deal where you get free saddle bags with the base model. That's about a $1500 option. Unless you want white, then you have to get the S model.
You'll have a hard time finding much of a deal on a SS. They are selling really well. My dealer says he has already pre sold their initial allocation of 2018s.
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If you can forego the Ohlins you'll save $1800 or so. And if you buy before Sept 30 they have a deal where you get free saddle bags with the base model. That's about a $1500 option. Unless you want white, then you have to get the S model.
You'll have a hard time finding much of a deal on a SS. They are selling really well. My dealer says he has already pre sold their initial allocation of 2018s.
I haven't heard about the free bags but that would be the deal I would want. But, I am not so sure about what you say. If you check online there is a glut of S models and very few base models. And if they are selling well, why are there so many available? And so few base models?
My local shop sold the initial SS deliveries but have had two S models on the floor for a couple of months. Despite this, I wrote about my experience that they weren't willing to deal or even price out the first service. Dealer also said that they expect to get a base model soon. If they threw in the bags, that might be the deal I would be interested, even though it is a month too late.
But if the service deal is true about the oil minder, I won't even consider one.
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I haven't heard about the free bags but that would be the deal I would want. But, I am not so sure about what you say. If you check online there is a glut of S models and very few base models. And if they are selling well, why are there so many available? And so few base models?
My local shop sold the initial SS deliveries but have had two S models on the floor for a couple of months. Despite this, I wrote about my experience that they weren't willing to deal or even price out the first service. Dealer also said that they expect to get a base model soon. If they threw in the bags, that might be the deal I would be interested, even though it is a month too late.
But if the service deal is true about the oil minder, I won't even consider one.
They're out there, but deals are hard to come by. I want a white SS as well, but since I refuse to pay full retail I guess I'll have to wait until the initial rush wears off.
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I lusted a little at a white SS in Indy when I went down to buy fork seals and outrageously priced fork oil for the Mighty Scura. Decided that while I'd look good on it.. I wouldn't look all *that* good. :smiley:
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They're out there, but deals are hard to come by. I want a white SS as well, but since I refuse to pay full retail I guess I'll have to wait until the initial rush wears off.
There's a bunch of them out there. I am not sure why it's hard to get a deal.
I wanted (as in past tense, see below) a red one.
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Not for nothing, but as a third or fourth bike you get to enjoy a Ducati with nothing more than annual oil changes and a belt/shim service every say 5 or more years.
No one said you had to put 10-20k miles per year on it.
Uh , it still costs the same per mile . Kinda like all of those HD types that bragged about resale , W/O ever factoring in how much interest they were paying on an overpriced motorbike VS a $9,000.00 Honda .
Dusty
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I yacked with my local mechanic, the Duc specialist that tore my greenie into a million parts.
He made a call and confirmed what you guys have been saying. The oil minder won't cause the bike to go into limp mode but as said elsewhere here, the electronics are glitchy enough to cause grief on its own. So I guess on occasion the bike will go into limp mode and then you have to get it rebooted at the dealer.
And no, you can't turn off the maintenance reminders on your own. My mechanic has the computer to do that, so that would be a plus, rather than go into a dealer.
All in all, right now, I am not sure it's for me. Full retail, maintenance questions, and weasel words when I ask the dealer questions have turned me off.
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I will go limp to be safe...says no man EVER...*guy joke, sorry ladies*...
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Uh , it still costs the same per mile . Kinda like all of those HD types that bragged about resale , W/O ever factoring in how much interest they were paying on an overpriced motorbike VS a $9,000.00 Honda .
Dusty
Who is paying interest?
Ah who cares.
Seriously cost/mile?
Who the F cares.
How about smile/mile?
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Not for nothing, but as a third or fourth bike you get to enjoy a Ducati with nothing more than annual oil changes and a belt/shim service every say 5 or more years.
No one said you had to put 10-20k miles per year on it.
Exactly.
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I haven't heard about the free bags but that would be the deal I would want. But, I am not so sure about what you say. If you check online there is a glut of S models and very few base models. And if they are selling well, why are there so many available? And so few base models?
My local shop sold the initial SS deliveries but have had two S models on the floor for a couple of months. Despite this, I wrote about my experience that they weren't willing to deal or even price out the first service. Dealer also said that they expect to get a base model soon. If they threw in the bags, that might be the deal I would be interested, even though it is a month too late.
But if the service deal is true about the oil minder, I won't even consider one.
John, the Ohlins is worth the price at new purchase, and will make the bike more saleable when you tire of the $1000 dealer visits.
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^^^^ Yep.
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Not for nothing, but as a third or fourth bike you get to enjoy a Ducati with nothing more than annual oil changes and a belt/shim service every say 5 or more years.
No one said you had to put 10-20k miles per year on it.
Exactly why I wouldn't buy a brand new Ducati. Every time I have looked on Craigslist,etc. at Ducati's, there seem to be plenty of low mileage bikes in mostly pristine shape at significantly low prices.
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Exactly why I wouldn't buy a brand new Ducati. Every time I have looked on Craigslist,etc. at Ducati's, there seem to be plenty of low mileage bikes in mostly pristine shape at significantly low prices.
Though I totally get that, in the big picture those few dollars mean little to me, while not having to possibly deal with someone else's abuse or wear is priceless.
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So ya buy insurance , and a tag every year , for a motorbike that only gets ridden a couple of thousand miles a year , or less . Hmm , that sounds familiar ...
Dusty
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Though I totally get that, in the big picture those few dollars mean little to me, while not having to possibly deal with someone else's abuse or wear is priceless.
(https://images.craigslist.org/00D0D_jjkPwTF3wGR_600x450.jpg)
2007 Ducati 1098S Tricolore with 915 miles. Near perfect condition, as consistent with mileage.
https://okaloosa.craigslist.org/mcy/d/2007-ducati-superbike-1098s/6281092070.html
$5,500 bucks.
For that kind of money, I'd take a gamble.
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I have a black S, the tricolore is just as S in fancy paint.
They are superb machines and these things can really go, corner and stop, great day out bike, I wouldn't want to tour on one, but it has been done many times by others
I have had mine since new no problems at all although my mileage is low, around 6k miles
Original rear spring is rock hard may need another spring, if you are light
Seat and mirrors are useless, get DP mirrors or the like and either the Superpole (if you are tall) or the DP (if you are small) seat.
Reg/Recs usually go south but can be fixed with a Shindengen MOSFET (I'm still on original)
Early radiator sprung leaks up near one of the top mounts, these can be fixed with Chinese cheapies from Bay of Fleas or rad repair shops, for very little cash.........lots of guys have went down both routes with no reported problems (I'm still on original)
Usual problems with Ethylene swelling of some tanks but as far as I'm aware it's not that common and there are solutions (POR??) to stop it
Gearboxes can be fragile BUT nearly every reported case of gearbox issues, AFAIK, relate to riders fitting quickshifters, don't fit one and they are fine
VERY occasional bikes of that vintage have spun their mains.............. .you do not want to go there
All that sounds bad but these are the more common issues, my bike has had none of them
The Tricolore is a limited model and looks terrific.
I don't think it's going to be that long before 10/1198 prices will bottom out.
IMHO that's a Big Time Bargain
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Nice to know about those bikes. The Tri-Color is really quite stunning IMO and for everything you mention only the main bearing is of concern and that is the gamble.
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Blackcat
I wouldn't sweat it too much unless you were thinking of thrashing the living daylights out it & IMHO you could only do that at a track and if you have big ones :wink:
Ducati did a redesign on later bikes but I've only heard about 2 or 3, typical forum stuff, people only post the bad
It's not like flat tappets on the CARC 4v Guzzis
Mine has been great and although the looks are not really to my taste, when aboard they have a huge grin factor
John
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Blackcat
I wouldn't sweat it too much unless you were thinking of thrashing the living daylights out it & IMHO you could only do that at a track and if you have big ones :wink:
Nope, don't do that sort of riding anymore. I hardly ride the Daytona in that way, but that has more to do with non-replaceble parts.
If this was a little closer to my house I'd go and take a look just out of curiosity. I've never owned a Ducati, though I have ridden a few Monsters over the years and despite all of the maintenance issues, I'd love to have one someday.
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I wish the new Yamaha FJ-09 was styled like the SS. But I haven't ridden one of them either.
Not sure why there aren't more moderate weight, powerful, balanced sport tourers available.
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So ya buy insurance , and a tag every year , for a motorbike that only gets ridden a couple of thousand miles a year , or less . Hmm , that sounds familiar ...
Dusty
That's about $165/year for our Duc.
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(https://images.craigslist.org/00D0D_jjkPwTF3wGR_600x450.jpg)
2007 Ducati 1098S Tricolore with 915 miles. Near perfect condition, as consistent with mileage.
https://okaloosa.craigslist.org/mcy/d/2007-ducati-superbike-1098s/6281092070.html
$5,500 bucks.
For that kind of money, I'd take a gamble.
It would have to really be near perfect for me to consider it. The money just isn't THAT important.
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It would have to really be near perfect for me to consider it. The money just isn't THAT important.
I'm sure that there are significant changes from that bike to a 1299 Panigale S or whatever is the latest model,BUT a new Panigale is anywhere from $20 to $25K plus tax.
Will I really notice that much of a difference in performance compared to the deficit of $20,000 dollars plus or minus in my bank account? I'm thinking there will be more of a drag on my bank account compared to the speed and handling differences of these two bikes, but that is just a guess. Especially when I will put about 5,000 miles a year or less on this type of bike.
I'm not against buying new stuff, but nowadays unless evidence of mishandling from the previous owner, I'm inclined to put my faith in some modern manufactured machines, be they bikes or cars. Maybe that is naive on my part but when I only have $5K invested, the pain of bad design,etc. is less painful.
And if Guzzi came out with a modern sport bike, that might change my opinion about buying another new bike, but the chances of that happening is like monkey's flying.
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The Panigale is whole different kettle of fish
More power but less low down grunt and a whole more stash of electronics to control all that power that you'd probably kill yourself without. The Panigale though does away with the belt madness and having to get them renewed every 2 years so I believe it's cheaper to service.
I frequent the Ducati UK forum a lot and although the R is a significantly different bike, on there the 1098R is regarded more or less as the pinnacle of the mark & very much sought after.
This is probably one of the last bikes without any aids and although I'm lukewarm about the looks compared to say the 916 to 998 series IMHO it's a lot nicer than the 999 or the Panty Girdle
I wouldn't swap my 1098 for a Tricolore, but that's just because of all the bits on it and I know the history............ ...but at that price with that mileage an S let alone a Tricolore is a great deal and the Tricolore's are going to be more sought after than any old middle of the road S
I'm 100% in agreement with everything you've said Blackcat
Mine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqQcXuAWAqs&pbjreload=10 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqQcXuAWAqs&pbjreload=10)
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I'd probably never need/want something more than a base Monster or Scrambler anyway... That's a whole different price bracket.
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The Panigale is whole different kettle of fish
More power but less low down grunt and a whole more stash of electronics to control all that power that you'd probably kill yourself without. The Panigale though does away with the belt madness and having to get them renewed every 2 years so I believe it's cheaper to service.
I frequent the Ducati UK forum a lot and although the R is a significantly different bike, on there the 1098R is regarded more or less as the pinnacle of the mark & very much sought after.
This is probably one of the last bikes without any aids and although I'm lukewarm about the looks compared to say the 916 to 998 series IMHO it's a lot nicer than the 999 or the Panty Girdle
I wouldn't swap my 1098 for a Tricolore, but that's just because of all the bits on it and I know the history............ ...but at that price with that mileage an S let alone a Tricolore is a great deal and the Tricolore's are going to be more sought after than any old middle of the road S
I'm 100% in agreement with everything you've said Blackcat
Mine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqQcXuAWAqs&pbjreload=10 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqQcXuAWAqs&pbjreload=10)
Good to know....now I wish that I never spotted than ad and I'm trying to not email the guy.
Nice looking bike and of course it sounds great!
Yeah, the Tri-Color might be a bit much as I've never seen one in person, but I could get to like it....
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Good to know....now I wish that I never spotted than ad and I'm trying to not email the guy.
Nice looking bike and of course it sounds great!
Yeah, the Tri-Color might be a bit much as I've never seen one in person, but I could get to like it....
I'd be on that like a duck on a june bug if I was remotely in the market..
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Good to know....now I wish that I never spotted than ad and I'm trying to not email the guy.
Nice looking bike and of course it sounds great!
Yeah, the Tri-Color might be a bit much as I've never seen one in person, but I could get to like it....
:evil: Do it ! :evil: :clock: Do you want to hear yourself say 'I wish I'd got that Ducati while I could still have enjoyed it ...'
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The ad says it's been posted for 22 days, but I sent him an email.
No response.
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Desmosedici Stradale
14:01 compression
Max power More than 210 Hp @ 13,000 rpm*
Max torque More than 120 Nm (88.51 lb-ft) from 8,750 to 12,250 rpm*
Firing order �Twin-Pulse� firing order with crankshaft-pins staggered by 70 degrees (Chuck or Kirby might explain this :shocked:)
Timing system Desmodromic timing system with chain and dual overhead camshafts, 4 valves per cylinder
So regarding the firing order, does this mean that the V angle is 90 degrees but the two crank pins are set at 70 degrees apart, meaning each of the two crankpins are 270/450 but they are phased 70 degree apart?
Or does it mean that the V angle in 70 degrees?
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(https://images.craigslist.org/00D0D_jjkPwTF3wGR_600x450.jpg)
2007 Ducati 1098S Tricolore with 915 miles. Near perfect condition, as consistent with mileage.
https://okaloosa.craigslist.org/mcy/d/2007-ducati-superbike-1098s/6281092070.html
$5,500 bucks.
For that kind of money, I'd take a gamble.
So Sorry Kiddo's... Scam Deluxe, Just like this onehttps://stgeorge.craigslist.org/mcy/d/1997-ducati-supersport-900ss/6284695860.html (https://stgeorge.craigslist.org/mcy/d/1997-ducati-supersport-900ss/6284695860.html). There on about 18 different CL.
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(https://images.craigslist.org/00D0D_jjkPwTF3wGR_600x450.jpg)
2007 Ducati 1098S Tricolore with 915 miles. Near perfect condition, as consistent with mileage.
https://okaloosa.craigslist.org/mcy/d/2007-ducati-superbike-1098s/6281092070.html
$5,500 bucks.
For that kind of money, I'd take a gamble.
So Sorry Kids..... total scam just like this
(http://thumb.ibb.co/ivBupQ/00000_bz_Crdo5z_Hoj_600x450.jpg) (http://ibb.co/ivBupQ)
upload my photo on internet (http://imgbb.com/)
They're on about 18 different CL . Gotta watch out when the prices are less than half the going rate :evil:
Paul B :boozing:
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Thank God, I was worried about having to buy that bike.
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Thank God, I was worried about having to buy that bike.
https://youtu.be/Lrqn5RRbTvg
Bonus for anyone that can ID all three actors.
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Shemp and Captain America.
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMDI1MDM5Y2UtM2M4Ny00OGE4LTk5MmUtZTlmZTRjOGFjMjZmXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTE2NzA0Ng@@._V1_.jpg)
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Shemp and Captain America.
I believe the guy in the hat at the very end is Walter Brennan. So Shemp, Walter, and Fields.
Not sure of the guy sitting next to Fields. Capt America? (Dick Purcell)
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Wow, Walter Brennen. I would have never guessed that was him.
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The ad says it's been posted for 22 days, but I sent him an email.
No response.
The price seems too low, probably a scam trying to collect emails and or phone #'s.
There is a tricoloure 848 for sale on the local CL for about $7k, which is more reasonable. The 1098 should fetch more.
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Ok I have a 2001 Dark 750 and a 2008 Hyper 1100. Both have about 40,000 miles. Maintenance is a PITA, every 7,500 miles. Found that the valves pretty much stay in spec to 14,000. I do everything myself and pay duc tech on side. But it is $300-400 just for valve adjustment. Main reason I bought Guzzi's. But when I want to tear it up the song of the" sauage creature "comes from the Ducs.
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