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Quickshifters rule, Items that are a must on any new bike..heated grips, cruise control and after riding a new GS BMW and Aprilia Tuono a quickshifter.Just do it man..
I wouldn't even consider a QS on any bike as heavy and with as much engine and drive line mass as a 1400. I also wouldn't have one on any bike that didn't have a cassette gearbox. Splitting cases to replace gears with rounded off engagement dogs is no fun and can get quite expensive. I have zero experience with PC's and such but I can vouch first hand for the fantastic improvements you will achieve with one of Beetle's creations. After all ,the beauty of programmable FI is the ability to customize the fueling to your specific set up and be done with it. No extra widget to think about. I would also be afraid of the PC causing voltage anomalies in the RBW demand sensor circuits. You could be left crawling home in limp mode with the red triangle on the dash,, or worse. I wish you luck however with your endeavor, please keep us posted on your outcomes.
For upshifting there is absolutely no need for a quick shifter. Once you are out of first simply preload the lever and twitch the throttle. Going down there is simply too much mass in the driveline to safely and reliably be able to crash it through. Pete
so are you saying that because of the centrifugal force of the spinning clutch
Guess I need to get out of the woods more often. This post has me confused and proves I am out of touch when it comes to shifting. Maybe I've been doing it wrong with Guzzi for 200,000+ miles. Silly me, I've always just throttled up to the right RPM, rolled off the throttle at the same time pulling in the clutch, then shifted the gear, let out the clutch at the same time as rolling back on the throttle. All of this takes about .25 seconds, which I thought was pretty quick. I've never given it a moments thought. Shows you want I know What's all this pre-load nonsense anyways? Just ride your motorcycle.
Nail on the head about shiftless Huzo... Harry came down from the UK on his new to him BMW .We have know each other since school. Harry allways,has allways and will probebly allways do clutchless gear shifts on all his bikes and cars.When he got down here he was complaining that one of the gears was slipping out of gear.....same thing happened to his MT03 and lord knows how many other vehicles he has owned...He balked when I suggested that there could well be some correlation to be done there !! I never let Harry ride any of my bikes BTW
If a Guzzi flywheel is to heavy to be shifting sans clutch, I guess truckers best stop doing it.
Wrong.In a road ranger I routinely shift without the clutch..Like the one in here.>The current gear is disengaged and the RPM is raised or lowered 400 revs to match the engine output shaft with the gearbox output shaft.If you’re joking then I get it, but if not best you stop now or go for a drive in a 15 litre diesel with an 18 speed ‘box and tell me how many teeth (in the gearbox) that you lose.And by the way..It’s “too heavy...”not “to heavy...”
You can thank spel chek for the incorrect spelling.
And since you do it in the truck, it has to be okay on a Guzzi.
I think ya got it.
Quote from: Huzo on November 10, 2019, 03:28:03 PMWrong.In a road ranger I routinely shift without the clutch..Like the one in here.>The current gear is disengaged and the RPM is raised or lowered 400 revs to match the engine output shaft with the gearbox output shaft.If you’re joking then I get it, but if not best you stop now or go for a drive in a 15 litre diesel with an 18 speed ‘box and tell me how many teeth (in the gearbox) that you lose.And by the way..It’s “too heavy...”not “to heavy...”You can thank spel chek for the incorrect spelling.And since you do it in the truck, it has to be okay on a Guzzi.I think ya got it.
I had a quick shifter on my 2018 BMW R1200RT. I used it only for downshifts. I did not like it for upshifts; they were a bit jerky. For downshifts, though, it was amazing exiting off the freeway or coming into a slower-speed corner.However, I can downshift almost as smoothly the old way on my 2016 Norge, and I can upshift more smoothly than the BMW quick shifter did.(Another feature I never used on the RT: hill-hold; I always just used the rear brake pedal because starting from a stop with hill-hold engaged required much more throttle than normal, sometimes resulting in a stall when the light turned green.)
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What ever happened to the 'beating a dead horse' emo? Rather than the hammer fight scene?Many 'shifting problems' can be blamed on the manufacturer and sometimes abuse and/or lack of proper maintenance. Certainly MG's gear boxes, in my experience, always feel like pre-1940's design & manufacture. Certainly proper assy. could go a long way toward better shifting transmissions. Modern design & materials and less drive line weight will make a difference too.IOW: that howling crap box hung on my V7 III should be embarrassing every Guzzi engineer from day 1! I know; They're all like that. I've tried a bunch. But what does that tell you? R3~
I will soon be getting a PCV & autotuner for my Mgx-21 after my Agostini exhaust & high flow filter with open air box lid install.The PCV has an option for a quick shifter (installed on linkage) like I had on my Ducati, & I really enjoyed it. The question is has anyone here installed one on a Mgx-21 or the California 1400? If so, how did you like it? Thanks Alex
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