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New Ducati- good & not so
« on: September 08, 2017, 08:44:02 PM »
I just got an e-mail from Ducati.  For all you speed freaks, the new Superbike Duc will be a V4 MotoGP derivation.  Link provided.

http://desmosedicistradale.ducati.com/en_us/

so for all you guys that want get a $20k+ Duc sportbike, here it is.





Now, the not so good. 

When the Guzzi foursome was traveling from the Springfield Mile, we were hanging with a Duc Mulitstrada rider.  For you DYI guys, This is what he said:

This guy likes to change his own oil (who doesn't?).  He said that the computer oil-mile counter will put the bike in "limp mode" (20 mph) unless a dealer resets the oil-mile counter.  This guy lives 100 miles from nearest dealer (Tulsa to OKC) and the dealer hasn't touched his bike for less than $400.  To make matters worse, he found out when he was riding to Alaska and luckily the bike went into limp mode when he was close to Salt Lake City.  He had changed the oil himself but didn't have a way to reset the oil minder.

Anyway, food for thought.
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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2017, 08:47:26 PM »
He must have been in limp mode when we dusted his ass south of Jefferson City  :grin:
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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2017, 08:57:10 PM »

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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2017, 09:01:39 PM »
He must have been in limp mode when we dusted his ass south of Jefferson City  :grin:

Yep, they left about 20 minutes before us.  We caught them in about an hour when they were drafting an F150.  I made command decision to blow by them on the Greenie.

I was afraid we might get in an accident if the Multistrada guy went into limp mode.   :wink:

Yep, had to pass them for the interest of public safety.   :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

We never saw them again.   :whip2:

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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2017, 09:09:23 PM »
What did you think of 125 from Sparta south?
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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2017, 09:30:53 PM »
125 was a nice ride.  Had a club samwich (good) at the truck stop on I44 and ice cream at the Peel Ferry.  Nice curves and roller coaster.   

Got to my cousin's in Harrison and took the long way home on cool late-start Tuesday.  Jasper to 23 to 16 to Fayetteville.  Then to Tahlequah and had chicken for lunch at Ft Gibson- Dusty didn't answer his phone for lunch.  Got home about 5:30.  No interstates nor turnpikes.

Changed out my brakes today.  The right inside pad was misaligned and wearing on the edge.  Cleaned and lubed calibers, new pads and brake fluid.  I think they were original pads (41k miles).

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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2017, 11:53:44 PM »
firing order with crankshaft-pins staggered by 70 degrees (Chuck or Kirby might explain this  :shocked:)

If the Duck can do it, then Guzzi can bring back the bicilindri! 


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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2017, 12:22:48 AM »

Firing order  �Twin-Pulse� firing order with crankshaft-pins staggered by 70 degrees (Chuck or Kirby might explain this  :shocked:)


Or, being from Bologna, they might actually be staggered by 290 degrees!  :evil:
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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2017, 03:17:18 AM »
Not sure about the Fugli Strada, but with the earlier bikes you could reset the service light with Ducati Diag

Seen this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LdSBrPRtlU&pbjreload=10

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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2017, 04:35:32 AM »
Doesn't make a lot of sense that it would go into limp mode just because the "oil service" light comes on; that would present a safety problem.

My (former) 2014 Ducati Monster 1200 "oil service" light came on at the appointed time and could not be reset by me. (I read about some smartphone app that might do it, but it's not resettable the way it is on earlier Ducatis.) I do my own oil changes and hell will freeze over before I pay someone to reset a damn light. Got rid of the bike and won't have another.

But it did not go into limp mode.

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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2017, 08:46:56 AM »
IIRC he said the light was on for a long time before it went into limp mode. And he has a 2014 Multi.
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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2017, 10:56:05 AM »
Ducati must be following the Microsoft business model.



Make your product highly desirable, but make it unusable after a set number of years.   :grin:
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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2017, 11:06:45 AM »
Ducati must be following the Microsoft  Apple business model.



Make your product highly desirable, but make it unusable after a set number of years.   :grin:
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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2017, 05:31:53 PM »
IIRC he said the light was on for a long time before it went into limp mode. And he has a 2014 Multi.

I remember that he mentioned something about which model years were affected.
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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2017, 06:28:52 PM »
I just got an e-mail from Ducati.  For all you speed freaks, the new Superbike Duc will be a V4 MotoGP derivation.  Link provided.

http://desmosedicistradale.ducati.com/en_us/

so for all you guys that want get a $20k+ Duc sportbike, here it is.





Now, the not so good. 

When the Guzzi foursome was traveling from the Springfield Mile, we were hanging with a Duc Mulitstrada rider.  For you DYI guys, This is what he said:

This guy likes to change his own oil (who doesn't?).  He said that the computer oil-mile counter will put the bike in "limp mode" (20 mph) unless a dealer resets the oil-mile counter.  This guy lives 100 miles from nearest dealer (Tulsa to OKC) and the dealer hasn't touched his bike for less than $400.  To make matters worse, he found out when he was riding to Alaska and luckily the bike went into limp mode when he was close to Salt Lake City.  He had changed the oil himself but didn't have a way to reset the oil minder.

Anyway, food for thought.
Sounds like one NHTSA safety case or Magnuson-Moss based class action lawsuit away from an official Ducati fix for owners to DIY the reset.

I mean it's a safety issue if it goes into limp home for no other reason.

And if they are essentially requiring you to use their service they are required to provide for free (at least under warranty).

Either way there will be a solution, give it time.
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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2017, 08:00:16 PM »
yeah Kev.  I think it's restraint of trade.  This blocks independents as well as DYIs.

I am going ask my mechanic about it.  He's a Duc specialist.  I am still considering the new SS.  If this is true, I'd never purchase one.
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« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2017, 09:23:28 PM »
I don't think this is accurate. My Ducati will pop the Oil Service warning at 9,000 miles, but it doesn't go into limp mode. You can't reset it yourself, which is definitely annoying. Dealer charged me half an hour ($55) to reset it. Nobody buys a Ducati for the low cost of ownership, though.

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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2017, 10:15:28 PM »
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Nobody buys a Ducati for the low cost of ownership, though

That's the primary reason I've never owned one. Along with the fact that I'm old, slow, and in the way.
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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2017, 10:22:51 PM »
I don't think this is accurate. My Ducati will pop the Oil Service warning at 9,000 miles, but it doesn't go into limp mode. You can't reset it yourself, which is definitely annoying. Dealer charged me half an hour ($55) to reset it. Nobody buys a Ducati for the low cost of ownership, though.

I thought someone would know the answer regarding limp mode.  That's why I posted it. 

But what about the new V4?  Sounds like a rocket. 
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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2017, 11:04:53 PM »
I thought someone would know the answer regarding limp mode.  That's why I posted it. 

But what about the new V4?  Sounds like a rocket.

 Yep , it will "rocket" right thru all of your money  :shocked: My guess is they will sell enough to be legal for SBK , but the V4 will never become a huge seller . Back in 1994 Atlas had a 916 on the floor, and Ken was telling me all about wonderful it was . No doubt it was the most beautiful sportbike built, but when Ken told me how much a valve adjustment cost, it suddenly was not quite so sexy .

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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2017, 12:00:52 AM »
Ducati must be following the Microsoft business model.

Make your product highly desirable, but make it unusable after a set number of years.   :grin:

I've got a Hewlett Packard printer that does that - except it's the print cartridges. I use re-filled cartridges and one failed too soon after being replaced. Took it back and found out that HP puts a date stamp in them that renders them un-useable after an un-resetable date. However, some enterprising individuals have discovered a work-around: reset the computer's calendar a year (or twenty) behind. LOL

Guess I won't be getting any new Ducatis any time soon.

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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2017, 11:07:26 AM »
I've got a Hewlett Packard printer that does that - except it's the print cartridges. I use re-filled cartridges and one failed too soon after being replaced. Took it back and found out that HP puts a date stamp in them that renders them un-useable after an un-resetable date. However, some enterprising individuals have discovered a work-around: reset the computer's calendar a year (or twenty) behind. LOL

Guess I won't be getting any new Ducatis any time soon.

I won't be buying any HP printers any time soon.

Thankfully, my 14 year old HP Laserjet 1200 just keeps on going, and the toner cartridges don't have sort of programmed expiration date.

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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2017, 06:47:25 PM »
I don't think this is accurate. My Ducati will pop the Oil Service warning at 9,000 miles, but it doesn't go into limp mode. You can't reset it yourself, which is definitely annoying. Dealer charged me half an hour ($55) to reset it. Nobody buys a Ducati for the low cost of ownership, though.

It'll be a cold day in Hell when I pay somebody $55 to turn off a light that I know for a fact took them less than a minute. (Guzzi content)  :smiley:
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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #24 on: September 11, 2017, 09:45:13 PM »
It'll be a cold day in Hell when I pay somebody $55 to turn off a light that I know for a fact took them less than a minute. (Guzzi content)  :smiley:
I'm OK with it. Plus it's your only option if you don't want to see a warning every time you start the bike. If I paid them to do the oil change the light reset would be included. I figure they have a significant investment in tools and training for the techs so it's a reasonable fee.

Technoresearch had been working on a code reader and reset tool, but that never seemed to work out. Ducatidiag worked for the older Ducs, but I don't think it works with modern electronics.

Again, Ducati=$$$, but worth it to some.

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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2017, 10:53:57 PM »
I'm OK with it. Plus it's your only option if you don't want to see a warning every time you start the bike. If I paid them to do the oil change the light reset would be included. I figure they have a significant investment in tools and training for the techs so it's a reasonable fee.

Technoresearch had been working on a code reader and reset tool, but that never seemed to work out. Ducatidiag worked for the older Ducs, but I don't think it works with modern electronics.

Again, Ducati=$$$, but worth it to some.



Then you are a salesman's dream.  Congratulations.  :wink:  You are at the wrong MC website.  Any chance your ride a newer BMW or Harley too?
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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
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Then you are a salesman's dream.  Congratulations.  :wink:  You are at the wrong MC website.  Any chance your ride a newer BMW or Harley too?

 Really Wayne , man expresses an opinion and we are gonna shun him ?

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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #27 on: September 12, 2017, 12:37:53 AM »
Really Wayne , man expresses an opinion and we are gonna shun him ?



There are a few exceptions in my 34 years of owning/riding Moto Guzzis of owners I've met from all over the USA that if it wasn't for the thriftiness of riding this brand they would be riding a different brand, including me.  Not that this brand is the only brand I ride.  But I sure don't ride any brand that is costly to maintain!  :azn:   I don't find newer Ducatis fitting my bill.
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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
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There are a few exceptions in my 34 years of owning/riding Moto Guzzis of owners I've met from all over the USA that if it wasn't for the thriftiness of riding this brand they would be riding a different brand, including me.  Not that this brand is the only brand I ride.  But I sure don't ride any brand that is costly to maintain!  :azn:   I don't find newer Ducatis fitting my bill.

 Fine , but others think differently .

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« Reply #29 on: September 12, 2017, 01:11:19 AM »
Fine , but others think differently .

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So what are you saying, Dusty, that you  don't mind if most Guzzi riders end up with personalities like Ducati & Harley riders?  Different brand MCs attract people with different personalities.  That's why MCs don't all look/aren't the same.  Different strokes for different folks.

 

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