New Ducati- good & not so

[oldbike54]

So what are you saying, Dusty, that you  don't mind if most Guzzi riders end up with personalities like Ducati & Harley riders?  Different brand MCs attract people with different personalities.  That's why MCs don't all look/aren't the same.  Different strokes for different folks.

 What I'm saying is that you don't get to decide who is welcome here .

 Dusty

[Kev m]

I'm OK with it. Plus it's your only option if you don't want to see a warning every time you start the bike. If I paid them to do the oil change the light reset would be included. I figure they have a significant investment in tools and training for the techs so it's a reasonable fee.

Technoresearch had been working on a code reader and reset tool, but that never seemed to work out. Ducatidiag worked for the older Ducs, but I don't think it works with modern electronics.

Again, Ducati=$$$, but worth it to some.

I thought there was an aftermarket solution by now. Maybe it's combined with a timing tool from Rexxer.

Unfortunately DucatiDiag (like GuzziDiag which I believe works on the same models) is designed for Weber-Marelli EFI systems and Ducati switched to Siemens sometime around 2008-10 or so.

[bad Chad]

Thumbs up to Dusty!  Not picking on you Wayne, but Dusty is spot on on this.

[Kiwi_Roy]

Seimens! You just put me off Ducati for life.


Sent from my shoe phone!

[Kev m]

Seimens! You just put me off Ducati for life.

I think I've noted it here before but Jenn's Ducati has run flawlessly without the slightest hint of a fueling problem since we bought it new in 2011. I'm just saying.

[LowRyter]

No one is talking about the new Superbike V4 with offset crank and stuff I don't understand.

[oldbike54]

No one is talking about the new Superbike V4 with offset crank and stuff I don't understand.

 Too many cylinders 

 Dusty

[Arizona Wayne]

Too many cylinders 

 Dusty

That's in your opinion, Dusty, which you are welcome to have. 

[oldbike54]

That's in your opinion, Dusty, which you are welcome to have. 

 Yep , notice I didn't say we should shun John for asking the question .

 Dusty

[LowRyter]

That's in your opinion, Dusty, which you are welcome to have. 

"Dusty opinion and welcome to have"?  ahhh, I am not so sure.

Someone save us.   

[oldbike54]

"Dusty opinion and welcome to have"?  ahhh, I am not so sure.

Someone save us.   

 Two words , counter steering .

 Dusty

[Guzzistajohn]

Two words , counter steering .

 Dusty

Counter steering? No such thing 34 years? How many years parked?

[LowRyter]

Two words , counter steering .

 Dusty

I'll might crashhhhh !

Keep your opinions to yourself.

[oldbike54]

I'll might crashhhhh !

Keep your opinions to yourself.

 No .

 Dusty

[LowRyter]

well then, see how that counter steering works our for ya.   

[Chuck in Indiana]

No one is talking about the new Superbike V4 with offset crank and stuff I don't understand.

[kirb]

Now, the not so good. 
He said that the computer oil-mile counter will put the bike in "limp mode" (20 mph) unless a dealer resets the oil-mile counter. 

This is not true on any Multistrada or Diavel I am aware of, sorry.

I have a Diavel and performed the desmo service myself (includes valve check, belts, plugs, oil, etc) at 15k miles. It took a few thousand miles after the service for me to get the light reset at the dealer. The reset cost me ~$45. The bike never goes into any limp mode. Non-DVT engine.

A friend has a Multi. He never resets the service light and only does the work himself. Never goes into limp mode. Non-DVT engine.

Forum searches show that it is most likely a throttle position sensor or the box connected to the twist grip might be faulty and this sometimes goes away.

[LowRyter]

This is not true on any Multistrada or Diavel I am aware of, sorry.

I have a Diavel and performed the desmo service myself (includes valve check, belts, plugs, oil, etc) at 15k miles. It took a few thousand miles after the service for me to get the light reset at the dealer. The reset cost me ~$45. The bike never goes into any limp mode. Non-DVT engine.

A friend has a Multi. He never resets the service light and only does the work himself. Never goes into limp mode. Non-DVT engine.

Forum searches show that it is most likely a throttle position sensor or the box connected to the twist grip might be faulty and this sometimes goes away.

next time we see the guy, we'll tell him it never happened. 


I'll add that the discussion indicated that Duc had inserted the limp mode restriction on recent model year (not sure which). 

I might share my discussions with the local Duc store regarding my inquiries regarding the new SS.  I specifically asked them about first service.  The service manager would not give me a cost.  The first "service" is an oil change and inspection of previous set up and assembly tasks.  Instead, he just said 2-3 hrs + materials.  I guessed "that should be about $240?"  He said "that sounds about right."  I really wanted to do the oil change myself since I was planning a trip but he didn't give me a warm fuzzy about voiding the warranty.  Anyway, back to the limp mode rider, he said that the same dealer has never touched his bike for less than $400.  I don't feel they were straight with me.

[sidecarnutz]

This  thread is giving me good reason to keep my antique Cali III and Royal Enfield forever. Both are like the last bikes sold in the USA with points ignition! Both very easy bikes to service.

[mjptexas]

....He said that the computer oil-mile counter will put the bike in "limp mode" (20 mph) unless a dealer resets the oil-mile counter....

Hmm....
My 2016 Monster went into 'limp mode'  because of a throttle sensor problem.  As I recollect limp mode is RPM restricted, not MPH restricted.  It would not run over 4,000 rpm, which meant top speed on a level road was about 55 mph.  Not an optimal situation, but better than 20 mph.

[LowRyter]

Mike,  you might just run the ol' Monster over the oil minder limit and see.   

[Bonaventure]

They've also used Mitsubishi ECU's and more recently Bosch on their bikes that have the new lean-angle modulated ABS.  The Mitsu ECU's were used as recently as model yr 2014 on the variants of the 1198 testastretta 11 degree engine, and tuners have been able to get into them for a while but the Bosch ECU's are still, AFAIK, not been cracked yet. 

Neither my 2013 (mitsu ecu) nor my 2016 (bosch ecu) Multistrada 1200 went limp mode upon the service due light illuminating...

[Nic in Western NYS]

Vibe I get from Ducati these days is that if price is an issue, please look elsewhere.  They aren't looking for you as a customer.
No new Ducs in my near future!

[LowRyter]

Nic,  that's the vibe I get from my local dealer. 

I am upfront and say that I am not a retail buyer and then I asked the service manager the cost of the initial service (and get the runaround).  They don't really wanna talk to me anymore. 

And then I check Cycle Trader and see that every Duc dealer in the country has a new SS with Ohlin's package (very few basic bikes out there but a glut of loaded ones). 

Time is on my side since we're moving into the fall.  And time might have saved me since I won't buy a bike that goes into "limp mode" because I want to change my own oil. 

[Shorty]

I got Ducati fever back when they made those sweet white framed 900SS   

   But, I saved myself a lot of grief. I bought a maintenance manual, thumbed through it, and said, "NOPE!"  I love to look at them and hear them run. That will be enough. 

[Kev m]

Not for nothing, but as a third or fourth bike you get to enjoy a Ducati with nothing more than annual oil changes and a belt/shim service every say 5 or more years.

No one said you had to put 10-20k miles per year on it.

[rss29]

Nic,  that's the vibe I get from my local dealer. 

I am upfront and say that I am not a retail buyer and then I asked the service manager the cost of the initial service (and get the runaround).  They don't really wanna talk to me anymore. 

And then I check Cycle Trader and see that every Duc dealer in the country has a new SS with Ohlin's package (very few basic bikes out there but a glut of loaded ones). 

Time is on my side since we're moving into the fall.  And time might have saved me since I won't buy a bike that goes into "limp mode" because I want to change my own oil.

If you can forego the Ohlins you'll save $1800 or so. And if you buy before Sept 30 they have a deal where you get free saddle bags with the base model. That's about a $1500 option. Unless you want white, then you have to get the S model.

You'll have a hard time finding much of a deal on a SS. They are selling really well. My dealer says he has already pre sold their initial allocation of 2018s.

[LowRyter]

If you can forego the Ohlins you'll save $1800 or so. And if you buy before Sept 30 they have a deal where you get free saddle bags with the base model. That's about a $1500 option. Unless you want white, then you have to get the S model.

You'll have a hard time finding much of a deal on a SS. They are selling really well. My dealer says he has already pre sold their initial allocation of 2018s.

I haven't heard about the free bags but that would be the deal I would want.  But, I am not so sure about what you say.   If you check online there is a glut of S models and very few base models.  And if they are selling well, why are there so many available?  And so few base models?

My local shop sold the initial SS deliveries but have had two S models on the floor for a couple of months. Despite this, I wrote about my experience that they weren't willing to deal or even price out the first service.  Dealer also said that they expect to get a base model soon.  If they threw in the bags, that might be the deal I would be interested, even though it is a month too late. 

But if the service deal is true about the oil minder, I won't even consider one.

[rss29]

I haven't heard about the free bags but that would be the deal I would want.  But, I am not so sure about what you say.   If you check online there is a glut of S models and very few base models.  And if they are selling well, why are there so many available?  And so few base models?

My local shop sold the initial SS deliveries but have had two S models on the floor for a couple of months. Despite this, I wrote about my experience that they weren't willing to deal or even price out the first service.  Dealer also said that they expect to get a base model soon.  If they threw in the bags, that might be the deal I would be interested, even though it is a month too late. 

But if the service deal is true about the oil minder, I won't even consider one.

They're out there, but deals are hard to come by. I want a white SS as well, but since I refuse to pay full retail I guess I'll have to wait until the initial rush wears off.

[Chuck in Indiana]

I lusted a little at a white SS in Indy when I went down to buy fork seals and outrageously priced fork oil for the Mighty Scura. Decided that while I'd look good on it.. I wouldn't look all *that* good.