V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest

[Vagrant]

You guys are comparing a grape to an apple!
It's a 1000cc Guzzi and was never meant to compete with a 1250cc BMW. Hopefully they never will try as I sure as hell don't want all that usless, expensive BS the Germans add on to inflate their prices.
None of those over priced Guzzi's listed above ever sold at the ridiculous retail prices they first came out at. At best I bet they averaged selling at 30% off sticker 3-5 years after sitting on a dealer's floor.

[bad Chad]

Yes, and no Vagrant.  Many folks who wanted their bike on their own time, paid MSRP or close to it.  I enjoy getting a killer deal, like most folks, but I'm not always willing to wait 3 years!  The day is coming for us all, when there won't be a next year, but I don't want to make you cry, so I'll move on.   

It's a lot of fun to be the first in your area with a paticualr new bike, if you haven't had the experience, try it!   And often to be among the first, you have to pay a little for it, so what, it's worth it, if you feel it's so!

[weevee]

It's a 1000cc Guzzi and was never meant to compete with a 1250cc BMW.

It will have to if they want it to sell to non Guzzisti.  What else is it meant to compete with?  Anyone wanting a twin-cylinder, shaft-drive, traditional-type (..ie. non 'adventure') sports-tourer will be looking at both, surely.   

[kingoffleece]

Well, maybe.  Look at the success of the V85.  Lower specs that a lot of the competition but very good sales for a Guzzi.

[lucky phil]

It will have to if they want it to sell to non Guzzisti.  What else is it meant to compete with?  Anyone wanting a twin-cylinder, shaft-drive, traditional-type (..ie. non 'adventure') sports-tourer will be looking at both, surely.   

Totally disagree here. A Guzzi is 90% a niche brand somewhat like a Ducati. Bikes at this end of the market are primarily an emotional buy and bought by older more affluent riders that aren't going to be focused on the HP and Torque figures as long as it's perceived to have an adequate amount.
Young guys/gals riding the latest hypersports bike are going to be pouring over the spec sheet at engine performance numbers but not in this category. More likely to be concerned about dealer availability, reliability, etc but at the end of the day all things being relatively in the same ball park, style and the affinity with the brand and it's country of origin will make the choice depending on the particular riders perceptions. In other words emotion will be the decider one way or another.
Take it from the guy that said the Ducati Monster would never sell when it was released, LOL.

Ciao     

[normzone]

When I opened this thread for the first time just now, beneath the fourth sentence ...

COMPACT, SPORTY, AND DYNAMIC, IT RIDES LIKE A ROADSTER, BUT WITH THE COMFORT AND TRAVEL VOCATION TYPICAL OF THE BEST TOURERS

... appeared the ad and image for that yellow 2021 Volkswagen van.

I spent a while trying to decide who was pranking whom before I realized I was looking at an inserted ad.

[Bulldog9]

I find my will crumbling....... Those 'aero wings' look interesting and if as effective as Guzzi claims would negate my wanting a Norge type fairing.  Now just waiting to see what the integrated luggage will look like.

To justify and afford, I am going to put my Griso, Stornello and 1200 Sport on Riders Share. A couple guys I know in the DC area do this and had a good experience. This in my warped thinking will help keep SWMBO happy (well happier) ;-)  This would put me at 8 total bikes....... I really don't want to give one up, and what I have serves all my needs other than a 'new' low mileage bike with all the safety features.  If I did this, I would take all the touring accessories off the 1200 Sport as it is my LD bike.

[Vagrant]

Chad, I had the first or second V85 and V7III in the area. Yep, paid full boat and then some.
The V85 has been sitting behind the dealers for the last three months with a piece of plastic over the hole that should have a cylinder on it. NO Parts! No idea when and neither the dealer or I think the parts ordered will fix the existing problem.
No, I won't elaborate at this time. I'm hopping Piaggio steps up and helps me out. Having a new bike you can't ride sucks.

[blackcat]

None of those over priced Guzzi's listed above ever sold at the ridiculous retail prices they first came out at. At best I bet they averaged selling at 30% off sticker 3-5 years after sitting on a dealer's floor.

True, I ended up with a brand new 03 Rosso Corsa for $10K from a now gone dealer in Kansas City which I bought sight unseen and shipped to NYC for $400 bucks.  And the only reason I bought it was because I couldn’t get an MGS/01.

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

Chad, I had the first or second V85 and V7III in the area. Yep, paid full boat and then some.
The V85 has been sitting behind the dealers for the last three months with a piece of plastic over the hole that should have a cylinder on it. NO Parts! No idea when and neither the dealer or I think the parts ordered will fix the existing problem.
No, I won't elaborate at this time. I'm hopping Piaggio steps up and helps me out. Having a new bike you can't ride sucks.

I know this has been quite a saga for you... have you looked into your state's lemon law?

[Vagrant]

I was told it didn't apply to bikes but, I'm not sure I believe that. I need to see if I can find out.
I finally got to talk to a Piaggio rep today and he is reviewing it. Fingers crossed.

[Kev m]

I was told it didn't apply to bikes but, I'm not sure I believe that. I need to see if I can find out.
I finally got to talk to a Piaggio rep today and he is reviewing it. Fingers crossed.

Did you buy it in Georgia? If so, sorry, no.

https://consumer.georgia.gov/resolve-your-dispute/georgia-lemon-law

The Lemon Law does not cover all types of vehicles – Motorcycles, mopeds, all-terrain vehicles, boats, trucks with a gross vehicle weight rating of more than 12,000 pounds, and vehicles that are not self-propelled (e.g., trailers, campers) are not covered by the Lemon Law.

[Vagrant]

I just got off my asss and looked that up also.
BUT! I actually bought it in North Carolina but registered it in Ga. So, maybe, this might apply.

NC DOJ
Protecting Consumers
Automobiles
Lemon Law
Lemon Law
The North Carolina Lemon Law, also known as the New Motor Vehicles Warranties Act (N.C.G.S. 20-351), applies to new passenger cars, pick-up trucks, motorcycles and most vans bought in North Carolina. It requires manufacturers to repair defects that affect the use, value, or safety of a new motor vehicle within the first 24 months or 24,000 miles (whichever comes first).

[Kev m]

I just got off my asss and looked that up also.
BUT! I actually bought it in North Carolina but registered it in Ga. So, maybe, this might apply.

NC DOJ
Protecting Consumers
Automobiles
Lemon Law
Lemon Law
The North Carolina Lemon Law, also known as the New Motor Vehicles Warranties Act (N.C.G.S. 20-351), applies to new passenger cars, pick-up trucks, motorcycles and most vans bought in North Carolina. It requires manufacturers to repair defects that affect the use, value, or safety of a new motor vehicle within the first 24 months or 24,000 miles (whichever comes first).

Good luck!   

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

Yeah I believe it's any vehicle sold/purchased in NC, not confined to NC residents...  Where did you buy it? Team Charlotte?

[henwilv]

As I understand it, the engine/transmission assembly is 4-inches shorter in length than than the V85 small block.

That has allowed a longer swingarm, plus the new transmission has a lower output shaft, allowing a lower swingarm pivot point, doing away with the need for a floating bevel box.

My T3 doesn't have a floating bevel box either and it feels just fine 

[Frenchfrog]

Your T 3 makes 50 horses on a good day !
It's great to see they seem to have found a way around floating the bevel but I really wonder how it will compare to the CARC in that respect.My gut feeling is that they have gone for simplicity and cheapness on this .If my gut is true, then it's a crying shame as the carc is bullet proof.

[twowheeladdict]

I sure hope it is priced above what I am willing to pay.  The more videos I watch the more it is growing on me.  It will have a lot of competition based on all the bikes out there with similar ergonomics. 

I look at value when I am shopping for a bike.  Like, why would I buy a Triumph Tiger 900 GT over a Yamaha Tracer 9. 

What made me choose the V7III over the competition was that it was the only bike with a shaft drive and the least plastic parts. 

[Vagrant]

Mayor, yes. Tee there gave me a good price on the bike and a hell of a trade price on my Versys. Of course he had been stuffed to the gills by the Guzzi salesman and it was the start of - at the time.

[LowRyter]

I remember seeing Luap's bike in the shop for months.........  Perhaps the last guy in the world I'd do that to if I were them. 

And the owner of the service shop would inquire about long term parts orders one day and then get called by someone else there who would ask why the bike wasn't finished. 

[twowheeladdict]

Chad, I had the first or second V85 and V7III in the area. Yep, paid full boat and then some.
The V85 has been sitting behind the dealers for the last three months with a piece of plastic over the hole that should have a cylinder on it. NO Parts! No idea when and neither the dealer or I think the parts ordered will fix the existing problem.
No, I won't elaborate at this time. I'm hopping Piaggio steps up and helps me out. Having a new bike you can't ride sucks.

Which is why there are certain bikes / brands that I wouldn't own if I could only have one bike, and why I am trying really hard not to put two Moto Guzzis in my garage.  It has become clear to me that many people put up with known issues with many brands because of emotional attachment.  Not me.  Leave a sour taste in my mouth and I am gone. 

I hope you get your issues resolved to your satisfaction. 

[jas67]

There's a lot I like about this bike. A lot.

But like others have eluded, I don't like that torque number either. 115HP/74 ft-lb? 90% achieved at 3500RPM with red line of 9500RPM?....That's not good at all in my book. Sounds like a high revving metric that goes nowhere. I would have rather had it the other way around. Or maybe instead of bragging on 4" shorter cylinders than a V85, go ahead and add that 4" back and try and get more equal numbers. 115/115 would be amazing.

115 ft-lb would require more like 1500cc than 1000cc.   That is 700# heavy cruiser territory.
This is a sporting Guzzi.   I think that the numbers are spot-on for 1000cc, and would be very happy with this bike.  I do have to admit, if they wanted to go head-to-head with the R1250RS, then should've made it  1200-1250cc.   That said, even though I have a R1200RS, which makes 125hp / 84 ft*lb, I will still consider this as a replacement for it.    I'll have to test ride to know for sure.

[kingoffleece]

115 pounds-feet will eat up a tire at a fairly quick rate.
Also, I know owners of every brand under the sun.  believe it or not the only one (brand) that has not suffered a stranded ride is the 650 Royal Enfield, and that's too small a time sample.

My Rocket III dyno'd at 148 pounds-feet at the rear wheel.  Destroyed a 240 rear every 3K.

[rocker59]

I've merged the V100 EICMA thread into the V100 Mandello threadfest.

We can keep the V100 chat contained here until they start hitting the streets next year.

[LowRyter]

I can see Rocker riding that new bike.   

[rocker59]

I can see Rocker riding that new bike.   

 

[jwinwi]

I've merged the V100 EICMA thread into the V100 Mandello threadfest.

We can keep the V100 chat contained here until they start hitting the streets next year.

Good idea! But who won Bad Chad's HP and Torque contest? 

[tazio]

I can see Rocker riding that new bike.   

I can see Rocker experiencing one of these...

[LowRyter]

Taz, Darren's looks just like that one, from bikini fairing to the tailpack.

[Bulldog9]

Chad, I had the first or second V85 and V7III in the area. Yep, paid full boat and then some.
The V85 has been sitting behind the dealers for the last three months with a piece of plastic over the hole that should have a cylinder on it. NO Parts! No idea when and neither the dealer or I think the parts ordered will fix the existing problem.
No, I won't elaborate at this time. I'm hopping Piaggio steps up and helps me out. Having a new bike you can't ride sucks.

What did I miss?  I remember you talking about a stumble some point back, but not that you had a failure. What happened? Dropped valve? Burned Valve Seat?  That stinks, I know you were piling the miles on.

Overall though I think the V85 has been a stellar launch and mostly problem free other than the rear hub seal. Here's hoping the V100 is similar and not like the hydro or early 8V or other fiasco's