New competitor for the V7

[Travlr]

http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Motorcycles/street-rod.html

[rocker59]

Something tells me there will be little to no cross-shopping between Guzzi V7s and that new Harley.

[tris]

I guess that there's a "Bobber" and "Scrambler" in the pipeline just to make sure HD can swim in the same pond as everyone else

[JProdun]

I don't know why I'd even look at this...


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[Muzz]

Is it my imagination or are the cylinders staggered in that motor?

Harleys have them one directly behind the other.

[Madtownguzzi]

Another link http://rideapart.com/articles/harley-davidson-introduces-new-model-cruiser

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[malik]

Well, with mid set pegs & clearance, & a steeper front end, they seem to be getting the right idea. Still heavy though, and the tank is small - only 300k theoretical range.

[Socalrob]

Wet weight 516 and 3.5 gallon tank.  They claim 54mpg, but my Ducati Hupermotard got 28mpg with a 3.3 gallon tank.

One of the most appealing aspects of the V7 bikes is the big tank for a smaller bike.

Otherwise, looks like HD may have a popular bike here.

[Socalrob]

Is it my imagination or are the cylinders staggered in that motor?

Harleys have them one directly behind the other.

I know BMW staggers theirs.  Don't all twins?  Doesn't MG?

[drw916]

Never thought I'd say it, but I like it.  It actually looks like a standard type bike.

[pete roper]

I know BMW staggers theirs.  Don't all twins?  Doesn't MG?

Unless they've changed in the last twenty years which I doubt Harley still use 'Knife and Fork' connecting rods so no offset.

The spec sheet says nothing about the engine. Is it a new design? If so is it stil OHV or have they gone to OHC?

[lti_57]

Of course no Harley would be complete with out some sort of Screaming eagle. What ever
All yours for  $ 150 murican

[rocker59]

This is the liquid-cooled 750cc engine originally developed for the India market.

It's a "world platform" for entry level riders.  For USA consumption, they're built in Kansas City.

It's a modern engine with side-by-side con rods.

Only the older HD engine families use the Fork and Blade style con rods.

[Daniel Kalal]

This is the liquid-cooled 750cc engine...

The H-D website only lists torque @ 4000 rpm (which converts to 36 hp at the same rpm).  But, this engine is the basis for H-D's new XG750R flat track bike (now managed by Vance and Hines) and if they don't make 100 hp they won't stand a chance.  So, perhaps there will be aftermarket performance kits sold by Vance and Hines within the next year.

[oldbike54]

The H-D website only lists torque @ 4000 rpm (which converts to 36 hp at the same rpm).  But, this engine is the basis for H-D's new XG750R flat track bike (now managed by Vance and Hines) and if they don't make 100 hp they won't stand a chance.  So, perhaps there will be aftermarket performance kits sold by Vance and Hines within the next year.

 Except hasn't the MoCo developed a race only motor .

 Dusty

[Huzo]

Is it my imagination or are the cylinders staggered in that motor?

Harleys have them one directly behind the other.

How do the big ends manage to occupy the same place on the crank pin if they're not staggered, I thought they were? Does the "knife and fork" arrangement mean only one cylinder is directly connected to the crank pin and the other one pivots on the adjacent 'rod, and if that were the case, would that not give a different dimension to the stroke , or is the axis of both rods pointing directly toward the centre of the crank pin as you would imagine, thereby ensuring both strokes are identical. My mind has an image of the master rod arrangement akin to a radial. Can someone educate me here ?

[oldbike54]

How do the big ends manage to occupy the same place on the crank pin if they're not staggered, I thought they were?

 One connecting rod big end is split forming a fork , those two halves sit on each side of the other connecting rod big end .

 Dusty

[Daniel Kalal]

How...

[Huzo]

Wow Guys, thanks for that. Really interesting, I had no idea !

[Huzo]

Hmmm...  I don't know why, but it doesn't look like a total bucket of pus. Quite surprising ! I can sorta see why you might go for one.

[rocker59]

For those of you not familiar with Harley's (now years old) Street line, here's a review from three years ago:
http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/06/13/harley-davidson-street-750-riding-impression-review-photos-specifications

Obligatory Wiki link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harley-Davidson_Street

[NC Steve]

The H-D website only lists torque @ 4000 rpm (which converts to 36 hp at the same rpm).  But, this engine is the basis for H-D's new XG750R flat track bike (now managed by Vance and Hines) and if they don't make 100 hp they won't stand a chance.  So, perhaps there will be aftermarket performance kits sold by Vance and Hines within the next year.

From Madtownguzzi's 2nd link, above, the author writes "...the Street Rod reportedly offers 8-10 percent more torque (depending on market) through the mid-range than on the Street 750, and 18-20 percent more horsepower. No official figures have been offered, but based on Street 750 dyno figures and our own fuzzy math, that suggests the Street Rod will deliver roughly 68 hp at peak (8750 rpm) and 47 lb-ft of torque at 4000 rpm. "

If that turns out to be true, those are some pretty impressive numbers...

[rocker59]

If that turns out to be true, those are some pretty impressive numbers...

Compared to what?  Not other liquid-cooled overhead-cam 750cc V-twins.

Those are about the same numbers as a 1990s vintage Ducati M750 Monster.  And the Monsters are over 100 lbs lighter...

[NC Steve]

True, the weight is what's a big drawback to this model

[Perazzimx14]

Neat... Harley made their version of the Buell Cyclone.

Yet another offering to turn up my nose at.

[cloudbase]

How do the big ends manage to occupy the same place on the crank pin if they're not staggered, I thought they were? Does the "knife and fork" arrangement mean only one cylinder is directly connected to the crank pin and the other one pivots on the adjacent 'rod, and if that were the case, would that not give a different dimension to the stroke , or is the axis of both rods pointing directly toward the centre of the crank pin as you would imagine, thereby ensuring both strokes are identical. My mind has an image of the master rod arrangement akin to a radial. Can someone educate me here ?

What you're describing is an articulated connecting rod.

[mjptexas]

Something tells me there will be little to no cross-shopping between Guzzi V7s and that new Harley.

I suspect you are correct.  However, the shear number of HD stores means it could get a lot more exposure.  I say 'could' because based on my experience, most HD sales people don't have a clue as to how to sell to someone who is not a traditional Harley customer.

[mjptexas]

From Madtownguzzi's 2nd link, above, the author writes "...the Street Rod reportedly offers 8-10 percent more torque (depending on market) through the mid-range than on the Street 750, and 18-20 percent more horsepower. No official figures have been offered, but based on Street 750 dyno figures and our own fuzzy math, that suggests the Street Rod will deliver roughly 68 hp at peak (8750 rpm) and 47 lb-ft of torque at 4000 rpm. "

If that turns out to be true, those are some pretty impressive numbers...

There's a Street 750 running around in Austin that's been turbo charged.  I've talked with the owner.  Says he makes 100 hp at the rear wheel on the dyno.

[swooshdave]

I think that design has been around for 100+ years.

[Devildog]

It looks like a bit of a hipster bike. Is HD is trying to attract a new market? My opinion: it won't be attractive to older traditional buyers, well off younger buyers will still have BMW and Ducati at the top of their shortlist, and the less affluent will opt for Japanese bikes. It's going to be a tough sell.