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Title: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Adk.IBO on January 04, 2011, 09:46:23 PM
Ok, now that I almost own a Norge, what is the correct pronunciation???
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: kitze2 on January 04, 2011, 09:47:54 PM
I say Norj.

Surely there is a Norwegian on this forum.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Adk.IBO on January 04, 2011, 10:06:25 PM
Correct is more important than my 2 choices. I'll gladly stand corrected- c'mon now, don't hold back......


My daughter's boyfriend's father is from Italy and I haven't heard back yet....
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: kitze2 on January 04, 2011, 10:31:02 PM
I say Norj.

Surely there is a Norwegian on this forum.
Forgot to put this after the 2nd sentence.   ;)
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: StelvioGT on January 04, 2011, 10:39:59 PM
Nor - pause - Ja
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: David Lee on January 04, 2011, 10:41:32 PM
Ok, now that I almost own a Norge, what is the correct pronunciation???

I'd feel better if I could ask 10 Italians how they pronounce, "Norway".
When I bought my Norge 3 1/2 years ago, NOR'-gay seemed to be the accepted form.
Since then I've gotton the impression that most think that's a bit precious.
Here in Texas we have a long tradition of mixing up German and Spanish with "we'll say it any damn way we want".

I have a 2007 "Norj", a silvery one.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: ken farr on January 04, 2011, 11:22:41 PM
jest like the fridge.

kjf
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Testarossa on January 05, 2011, 12:15:47 AM
A Norwegian would say Nordguh, the d almost silent to make an almost-but-not-quite rolled r. Try saying Norrguh while touching the tip of the tongue to the upper palate.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Tom on January 05, 2011, 02:21:08 AM
Parla Italiano?  "Norgay".  Italiano moto.  Vaffanculo "Norj"!!  
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: pebra on January 05, 2011, 02:26:27 AM
Nor - pause - Ja

Most definitely not!
(might sound as if a Swede pronounced it  ~; )
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: pebra on January 05, 2011, 02:29:27 AM
A Norwegian would say Nordguh, the d almost silent to make an almost-but-not-quite rolled r. Try saying Norrguh while touching the tip of the tongue to the upper palate.

Close! No "d" in there.
Nor-geh might be it. Some roll on the "r".

There was a thread on this when the model was introduced ....
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Crusty on January 05, 2011, 04:31:58 AM
Just call it a Kelvinator, and nobody will question the pronunciation. ;)
Mine is a Norj.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Carlo DeSantis on January 05, 2011, 05:16:32 AM
If you want the correct Italian pronunciation, it is norjay.

Carlo
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Carl Allison on January 05, 2011, 06:36:25 AM
When I first glanced at the thread title, I thought it was about face cream.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: toddhaven on January 05, 2011, 06:46:11 AM
In Texas, Jorge rides a Nor-hay.

Call it anything you want, except late for dinner.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Rusty goose on January 05, 2011, 07:28:00 AM
Norgie...   I mean I've I've heard it is a lot fun to ride??????
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: radan2 on January 05, 2011, 08:27:06 AM
Nor - pause - Ja

Most definitely not!
(might sound as if a Swede pronounced it  ~; )


The horror!  The horror!  :o
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Lannis on January 05, 2011, 09:12:15 AM
Ok, now that I almost own a Norge, what is the correct pronunciation???

Well, we know how the Swedes would pronounce it and how the Italians would pronounce it and how the Norwegians would pronounce it.

Most of the people I talk to on a daily basis being American, it makes more sense to me to pronounce it like an American would pronounce it rather than trying to sound like someone from Scandinavia or Italy, which I'm not, so I say "Norj".

How would someone speaking Mandarin pronounce it?   There's more of them than anyone in the world, seems like THAT would be the way to go .. ?   :D

Lannis
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: cruzziguzzi on January 05, 2011, 10:16:39 AM
I say Norge the way that I would say forge as in hammer forged barrel. But then I don't own one so I haven't really paid the freight for an opinion of any substance.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Pfaff! on January 05, 2011, 10:42:48 AM
I'd suggest you guys to pronounce it "Norway", as you usually do for the country. The Norwegians themselves cannot agree on how to pronounce or even spell the name, so how would you know?  ;-T

Ohh, btw, most Swedes won't even take the name of his mouth.  :P
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Tom on January 05, 2011, 01:20:51 PM
Ok, now that I almost own a Norge, what is the correct pronunciation???

Well, we know how the Swedes would pronounce it and how the Italians would pronounce it and how the Norwegians would pronounce it.

Most of the people I talk to on a daily basis being American, it makes more sense to me to pronounce it like an American would pronounce it rather than trying to sound like someone from Scandinavia or Italy, which I'm not, so I say "Norj".

How would someone speaking Mandarin pronounce it?   There's more of them than anyone in the world, seems like THAT would be the way to go .. ?   :D

Lannis

Y'ep..... but if I bought a Chiang-Jiang I'd pronounce it properly too.  Since we're talking about an Italian bike made by Moto Guzzi.  I'll pronounce it the way they would.  You of course can say whatever you want.  Your dime.  :P  Call it a Honda if you want.  ;D
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: pebra on January 05, 2011, 01:46:27 PM

The Norwegians themselves cannot agree on how to pronounce or even spell the name, so how would you know?  ;-T


Ouch! Stabbed in the back by a neighbour!
No wonder my great grandfather left Sweden for the friendlier atmosphere (plus girls and jobs) on this side of the border!  :D
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: jdgretz on January 05, 2011, 02:12:38 PM
A Norwegian would say Nordguh, the d almost silent to make an almost-but-not-quite rolled r. Try saying Norrguh while touching the tip of the tongue to the upper palate.

Close! No "d" in there.
Nor-geh might be it. Some roll on the "r".

There was a thread on this when the model was introduced ....


I'd have to go along with this.  The young tall blond Norwegian lady who walked up to me at the Rock Store and asked why my motorcycle was named after her country pronounced it as sort of a cross between those two.  Maybe the pronunciation differences are similar to someone from the Bronx, Atlanta, and Los Angeles agreeing on how to say 33rd and 3rd  ;D

jdg
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Karl Von on January 05, 2011, 02:19:42 PM
(http://www.cladriteradio.com/images/norge1b.jpg)

With the Self D Froster, they must be good in the snow
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: radan2 on January 05, 2011, 02:45:04 PM
(http://www.cladriteradio.com/images/norge1b.jpg)

With the Self D Froster, they must be good in the snow

Notice the small print, "It happens at midnight!"  ;D ~;
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Lannis on January 05, 2011, 02:56:36 PM
Ok, now that I almost own a Norge, what is the correct pronunciation???

Well, we know how the Swedes would pronounce it and how the Italians would pronounce it and how the Norwegians would pronounce it.

Most of the people I talk to on a daily basis being American, it makes more sense to me to pronounce it like an American would pronounce it rather than trying to sound like someone from Scandinavia or Italy, which I'm not, so I say "Norj".

How would someone speaking Mandarin pronounce it?   There's more of them than anyone in the world, seems like THAT would be the way to go .. ?   :D

Lannis

Y'ep..... but if I bought a Chiang-Jiang I'd pronounce it properly too.  Since we're talking about an Italian bike made by Moto Guzzi.  I'll pronounce it the way they would.  You of course can say whatever you want.  Your dime.  :P  Call it a Honda if you want.  ;D

Maybe, but it just sounds pretentious to me.   I don't say "SAHNT-i-meter" just because it's a French derived word and the French pronounce it that way.

And if you go to BYOO-na VISS-ta, Virginia, you can pronounce it "BWAY-na VEES-tha" with your tongue between your teeth if you want to, but people there will just laugh at you, even if the town name IS Spanish for "Lovely View".   :D  But never mind that; you'll be secure in your OWN mind that you are pronouncing it CORRECTLY   P:)   ;)

Lannis
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: radan2 on January 05, 2011, 03:02:03 PM
It's pronounced "mow-ter-si-kel."  However, you can also say "Mow-ter-sick-el."
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Tom on January 05, 2011, 03:05:13 PM
Eldoraydo...Elodrah do.  Potato.  Potahtoe.  Your dime. ;D
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: FASTFREDDY on January 05, 2011, 03:16:58 PM
my parents are fluent in Italian. The G is hard and the E is pronounced soft. I am not sure how to spell it phonetically.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: gsf12man on January 05, 2011, 05:30:11 PM
my parents are fluent in Italian. The G is hard and the E is pronounced soft. I am not sure how to spell it phonetically.

That's how I've been saying it . . . I read that somewhere, can't remember where.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: PICKLEKOOKEN on January 05, 2011, 06:12:58 PM
 :D :D :D :D Me I Call mine the Norgy. ~; ~;Pic.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Testarossa on January 05, 2011, 06:40:56 PM
I don't ride a Goosy, I ride a Guzzi, pronounced the Italian way (gootsie). Both the Italians and the Norwegians say Norrgeh, so that's how I'll pronounce it.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Pfaff! on January 06, 2011, 06:22:03 AM
..... the Norwegians say Norrgeh, so that's how I'll pronounce it.

As said before, no they don't.  ;D

Half of them says NOREG, pronounced with a root-of-tongue R (like thr French pronounce it), the other half says NORGE, pronounced with a tongue-tip R, like the rest of the world, except for the English- and Sino/Japaneese speaking, who apparently doesn't pronounce R at all.  ~;

Think I've said enuff here; won't have a Lemon piston in my neck from Pebra.  :D
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: biking sailor on January 06, 2011, 07:00:11 AM
Just call it your "Guzzi Bitch" and leave it at that! (of course it is "Goot-See")  ;D
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Bill Hagan on January 06, 2011, 10:05:22 AM
Ok, now that I almost own a Norge, what is the correct pronunciation???

Well, we know how the Swedes would pronounce it and how the Italians would pronounce it and how the Norwegians would pronounce it.

Most of the people I talk to on a daily basis being American, it makes more sense to me to pronounce it like an American would pronounce it rather than trying to sound like someone from Scandinavia or Italy, which I'm not, so I say "Norj".

How would someone speaking Mandarin pronounce it?   There's more of them than anyone in the world, seems like THAT would be the way to go .. ?   :D

Lannis

Y'ep..... but if I bought a Chiang-Jiang I'd pronounce it properly too.  Since we're talking about an Italian bike made by Moto Guzzi.  I'll pronounce it the way they would.  You of course can say whatever you want.  Your dime.  :P  Call it a Honda if you want.  ;D

Maybe, but it just sounds pretentious to me.   I don't say "SAHNT-i-meter" just because it's a French derived word and the French pronounce it that way.

And if you go to BYOO-na VISS-ta, Virginia, you can pronounce it "BWAY-na VEES-tha" with your tongue between your teeth if you want to, but people there will just laugh at you, even if the town name IS Spanish for "Lovely View".   :D  But never mind that; you'll be secure in your OWN mind that you are pronouncing it CORRECTLY   P:)   ;)

Lannis

This probably pains Lannis as much as it does me, but I agree with his every word.   ;D

I almost hurl when those newsreaders on NPR -- National Communist Radio -- go out of their way to show that they can fake an accent, roll their "r's," and pronounce every foreign city in the manner of the residents there.  Almost as bad as my Italophile friends -- nothing wrong with being that sort of 'phile, you understand  ;) -- who insist on saying "Milano," "Firenze," etc. after nauseating etc. 

When in Roma, it's Roma; here, it's Rome.  Italy and Georgia.

So, I ride a Norge (Norj), tho I do find biking sailor's suggestion charming.   :D

Testily (mostly because the @#$%^ grandbabies slobbered their germs all over me and I'm still sick),

Bill
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: donn on January 06, 2011, 11:56:55 AM
When in Roma, it's Roma; here, it's Rome.  Italy and Georgia.

That's right - thoroughly agree about pronouncing Rs and foreign sounds in general, and wouldn't think of saying "Paris" the way they do in France, any more than I'd try to pronounce "Norge" when I mean "Norway".

But there's that, and then there's ignorance.  To ask an English speaker how to pronounce a word he or she has never seen, and then accept that as the correct pronunciation, is to embrace ignorance.

I personally detest the name, I think it's a major f--up that one of their more appealing recent models has a name whose pronunciation is so ambiguous.  Right now we seem to be tilting towards the theory that in Norway and even Italy the G is the hard one, at the back of the tongue, but earlier I thought the rumor was that Moto Guzzi tells people it's "soft", i.e., NOR-JEH.  Gah.  I agree, call it a "Norway".
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on January 06, 2011, 12:13:36 PM
V12GT would've been so much simpler... 

 

There's no reason why they can't call a bike one thing in one country and something else in another.  I would imagine there are no English-speaking members on the marketing team...


However, the name "Norge" does have significance to the folks in Mandello.  We're constantly bashing them for not using thier heritage.  It's named after the 1928 GT 500 "Norge".

(http://www.cybermotorcycle.com/gallery/moto_guzzi/images/Moto_Guzzi_1928_GT_Norge_500.jpg)


Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: pebra on January 06, 2011, 03:17:05 PM

As said before, no they don't.  ;D
Half of them says NOREG, pronounced with a root-of-tongue R (like thr French pronounce it), the other half says NORGE, pronounced with a tongue-tip R, . - . -
Think I've said enuff here; won't have a Lemon piston in my neck from Pebra.  :D

Oh come off it Anders, you know nobody believes one word of what you're saying!   :D
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on January 06, 2011, 03:24:00 PM
If they'd have called it the Kelvinator, we wouldn't be having this discussion.   :BEER:
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: scooterjock on January 06, 2011, 04:35:30 PM
If you are secure in your sexuality and manhood, you would call it Nor-Gay. 

But on the other hand, if you were a typical BMW rider, you would have to say Nor-Ja.  Like, "Ja vol mein capitan."
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Lannis on January 06, 2011, 06:09:26 PM
Maybe, but it just sounds pretentious to me.   I don't say "SAHNT-i-meter" just because it's a French derived word and the French pronounce it that way.

And if you go to BYOO-na VISS-ta, Virginia, you can pronounce it "BWAY-na VEES-tha" with your tongue between your teeth if you want to, but people there will just laugh at you, even if the town name IS Spanish for "Lovely View".   :D  But never mind that; you'll be secure in your OWN mind that you are pronouncing it CORRECTLY   P:)   ;)

Lannis

This probably pains Lannis as much as it does me, but I agree with his every word.   ;D

Bill


I must have a terrible memory.   I don't ever remember disagreeing in any way with you, or you being rude and uncivil to anything I said.   If you've disagreed with me on the forum, I probably learned something from it!     Maybe I told a lawyer joke in 2008, but that would have been about it ....

So no pain here!    And "I agree with Lannis" is #2093 on Google's "most commonly found phrase on the Internet" ....   :D :D

Lannis
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: cruzziguzzi on January 06, 2011, 06:16:50 PM
OK, all you lingui-purists have won me over - I will from this time forward refer to my Calvin as a Motogootsie Colliforneea Vintagay... appropriate Latin gesturing included.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on January 06, 2011, 06:29:21 PM
OK, all you lingui-purists have won me over - I will from this time forward refer to my Calvin as a Motogootsie Colliforneea Vintagay... appropriate Latin gesturing included.

il moto del vecchio      :BEER:
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Bill Hagan on January 06, 2011, 06:47:46 PM
Maybe, but it just sounds pretentious to me.   I don't say "SAHNT-i-meter" just because it's a French derived word and the French pronounce it that way.

And if you go to BYOO-na VISS-ta, Virginia, you can pronounce it "BWAY-na VEES-tha" with your tongue between your teeth if you want to, but people there will just laugh at you, even if the town name IS Spanish for "Lovely View".   :D  But never mind that; you'll be secure in your OWN mind that you are pronouncing it CORRECTLY   P:)   ;)

Lannis

This probably pains Lannis as much as it does me, but I agree with his every word.   ;D

Bill


I must have a terrible memory.   I don't ever remember disagreeing in any way with you, or you being rude and uncivil to anything I said.   If you've disagreed with me on the forum, I probably learned something from it!     Maybe I told a lawyer joke in 2008, but that would have been about it ....

So no pain here!    And "I agree with Lannis" is #2093 on Google's "most commonly found phrase on the Internet" ....   :D :D

Lannis

Sorry.  I wasn't serious.  We lawyers have to be very careful about being taken seriously when we think we are hilarious!  ::)   Maybe, too, I was just feeling insecure in my sexuality and manhood or discovered, to my dismay, that I was a typical BMW rider.    ;D  That post, scooterjock, was VERY funny.  Wayne, a.k.a. WHO, and other labels often accuses me of being a repressed beemerist.  He knows it hurts.   :'(

Bill
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Crusty on January 07, 2011, 04:48:05 AM
In Colorado, the towns Genoa and Arriba are pronounced Gen OH uh and ARR uh buh; the city of Cairo, IL is pronounced Kay row (like the syrup). Berlin, MA is pronounced  BURL in.
Whatever you call your bike is the right pronounciation.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Texas Turnip on January 07, 2011, 06:30:57 AM
In Colorado, the towns Genoa and Arriba are pronounced Gen OH uh and ARR uh buh; the city of Cairo, IL is pronounced Kay row (like the syrup). Berlin, MA is pronounced  BURL in.
Whatever you call your bike is the right pronounciation.

You nailed it Crusty!  In the 40 years I've been riding Guzzi I've heard almost all of the different pronounciations. And not one of them have bothered me. At 151 pounds I can't afford arguments.
Tex
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: David Lee on January 07, 2011, 07:16:58 AM
In Colorado, the towns Genoa and Arriba are pronounced Gen OH uh and ARR uh buh; the city of Cairo, IL is pronounced Kay row (like the syrup). Berlin, MA is pronounced  BURL in.


Oh! Thread drift!
Can I play?
New Berlin Texas is "BURR-lin".
Edinburgh Scotland is "ED-in-BURR-oh", but Edinburgh Texas is, "ED-in-burg".
Elgin (EL-gin) Texas is named after Elgin (EL-jin) Illinois.
I live near Guadalupe (GUAD-ah-loop) County Texas where the the river is (GUAD-ah-loopy) and a local church is Our Lady of (WADDA-loopy).
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: oldmanjob on January 07, 2011, 08:39:53 AM
Boy, am I glad i own a V7C :o ;D :D ;-T ;-T ;-T :BEER: :BEER: :BEER:

Bill
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Bill Hagan on January 07, 2011, 09:07:50 AM
Boy, am I glad i own a V7C :o ;D :D ;-T ;-T ;-T :BEER: :BEER: :BEER:

Bill

Do you pronounce that "Vee sette chee?"    :D

http://tinyurl.com/GuzziV7C (http://tinyurl.com/GuzziV7C)

Another Bill
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: donn on January 07, 2011, 10:22:12 AM
I live near Guadalupe (GUAD-ah-loop) County Texas where the the river is (GUAD-ah-loopy) and a local church is Our Lady of (WADDA-loopy).

The one I hear about all the time is how you all pronounce "Pedernales".
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: oldmanjob on January 07, 2011, 11:14:23 AM
Boy, am I glad i own a V7C :o ;D :D ;-T ;-T ;-T :BEER: :BEER: :BEER:

Bill

Do you pronounce that "Vee sette chee?"    :D

http://tinyurl.com/GuzziV7C (http://tinyurl.com/GuzziV7C)

Another Bill

according to the web site (I like it ;-T) it is also known as Vee sette classic  :D ;D

The other Bill :D
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: healeyblue on January 07, 2011, 02:39:35 PM
My Norwegian friends pronounce the name of the country more like "norrr guh".
Norway in Italian is "Norvegia" with a soft g. There is no word "Norge" in Italian that I know of.

One could call it a "Norj" but that would sound funny to anyone but a "Murican".
Kind of like someone from Mexico talking about the "New Jork Jankees".

Guess among us Guzzisti is just "don't make no nevermind". We'll all no of which bike you speak. ;-T
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: moltoguzzi on January 07, 2011, 02:49:34 PM
Parla Italiano?  "Norgay".  Italiano moto.  Vaffanculo "Norj"!!  
Well that caused me to clean up my computer screen after the cream soda spray.  :D
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Tom on January 07, 2011, 04:22:55 PM
Needless to say.  A number of the Americanos are "testa de merda" with the pronounciation thing.  ~; ;D
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Pfaff! on January 07, 2011, 04:33:52 PM
OK guys.
The unforgettable pronunciation lesson by our old friend Sunbow is still there.
See the Norge as a faired Breva, and start learning from here:

http://rides.webshots.com/video/3035462340079646055JLnzAB

You can't miss the music. ;D

 :)
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: rodekyll on January 07, 2011, 04:35:03 PM
So to further refine things, is it TUP-per-ware or TUP'ER-ware?





 ~;
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: pat manning on January 07, 2011, 05:12:21 PM
How do they say Jackal in Italy?  ???
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: oldmanjob on January 07, 2011, 05:35:02 PM
Here you go Pat  ;D

http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=&ie=UTF-8&text=V7C&sl=en&tl=it#en|it|Jackal (http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=&ie=UTF-8&text=V7C&sl=en&tl=it#en|it|Jackal)

Bill
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: charlie b on January 07, 2011, 08:26:31 PM
A guy I know insists on saying everything the way the natives of the respective countries do.  Insists on calling Jag's by the Brit pronunciation and Subies by the Japanese pronunciation.  I think he feels "international" when he does it.

I don't care what is meant.  And I still call mine a Guzzy not a Gutzi.  I also call our local river the Rio Grand, not Grandy.  So, yeah, I would call it a Norj, just like the appliances.  And a Chevy is not a Chebby.

But, I've been to parts of this country where I couldn't understand a word that was being spoken (and it was some variety of english, not mexican-spanish).
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Tom on January 08, 2011, 04:28:16 AM
errrrr whada you said???  Wot you mean brah???  ;D  Dey no talk wrong.  You listen wrong.  :D
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Thunderbox on March 30, 2011, 04:23:23 PM
Here is a link to see how any word or words you can think of sound in Italian.  It will automatically say Moto Guzzi Norge if you wait for a couple of seconds.  Then you just erase the text and type in your own and hit say it.

http://tts.imtranslator.net/FIra

Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Kev m on March 30, 2011, 05:13:11 PM
Cool...

Maoto Gootsee Nar-Jay

Maoto Gootsee Bree-va
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: David Lee on March 30, 2011, 05:17:26 PM
Why would I trust them after this?

"It will be ready in a few moment."   ???
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Moto on March 30, 2011, 06:10:41 PM
Why would I trust them after this?

"It will be ready in a few moment."   ???

You're not trusting them to speak or write English!
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Rotten Ralph on March 30, 2011, 06:45:17 PM
And these past few years I have been telling everyone that I ride a moto gussy norjuh. Oh well, live and learn! :-[
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: troyhamilton on March 30, 2011, 06:49:57 PM
I say it like george! now here come the rants!
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Rotten Ralph on March 30, 2011, 06:59:42 PM
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I say it like george!

It's norjuh!! Moto gussy norjuh!!!
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Sack on March 30, 2011, 07:20:22 PM
Do you pronounce it as the Italians would or the Norwegians?
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Rotten Ralph on March 30, 2011, 08:15:26 PM
I bet youse guys call a Porsha a porch!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: radguzzi on March 30, 2011, 08:18:19 PM
Do you pronounce it as the Italians would or the Norwegians?

Norwegians, Ralph is correct.. Nor-Yuh....
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Frank Smith on March 30, 2011, 08:37:54 PM
Yuck in my stage of Guzzi life right now.  I'm back in love with my Cali's.  Another model has been catching my eye, though.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Atavar on March 30, 2011, 08:58:11 PM
I say Norju ..  I am American..  I don't call it a motocicletta either..
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Motogogo on March 30, 2011, 09:04:26 PM
it rhymes with orange.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: JPL on March 30, 2011, 09:16:45 PM
Google translate (http://translate.google.com/?hl=en&tab=wT#it|en|%0AMoto%20Guzzi%20Norge%0A) Try it! No crazy ads either.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: David Lee on March 30, 2011, 09:59:42 PM
it rhymes with orange.

I don't think anything rhymes with "orange", or is that "purple"? Except for maple syrple.

In Texas, in a world of HD sycophants, it's enough that I'm on a Guzzi. I've decided to simplify my life a bit here and there and part of that was just embracing the fact that my sport-tourer was named in honor of a famous appliance manufacturer.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: troyhamilton on March 31, 2011, 11:01:26 AM
I only say it that way cause of norge envey!
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: kitze2 on March 31, 2011, 12:01:48 PM
"You can call me anything you want. Just don't call me late for dinner"


Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Bill Hagan on March 31, 2011, 12:05:18 PM

These threads always puzzle me.

I have as many -- OK, probably more  ;) -- affectations as anyone here, but why would we not apply English language pronunciation rules to this?

Friends who come back from Italy and make others suffer through how they "simply loved Milano, Firenze, and Venezia," eventually get over it, but this Norge [as in "NORJ," IMO] discussion is seemingly endless.

Wonder if appliance groupies debated how to pronounce that old brand, Norge?  :D

http://www.rekitchen.com/stoves/brands/norge.html

Bill
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on March 31, 2011, 12:09:58 PM
I've always called it like the fridge.. I wonder how you say Stone in Italian?  :BEER:
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Thunderbox on March 31, 2011, 03:47:36 PM
Google translate (http://translate.google.com/?hl=en&tab=wT#it|en|%0AMoto%20Guzzi%20Norge%0A) Try it! No crazy ads either.

Yes but that is a translation and I just wanted to know how it was said in Italian.  Who wants to ride a fridge?
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: StelvioGT on March 31, 2011, 03:52:11 PM
 ;-T
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Rotten Ralph on March 31, 2011, 04:07:42 PM
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Wonder if appliance groupies debated how to pronounce that old brand, Norge?

They did - and finally came up with "fridgie". ???
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Pescara on March 31, 2011, 04:50:12 PM
I decided years ago to pronounce all Italian city names the way the natives pronounce them. Why it was necessary to create new English names for Italian cities I have no idea, just as I have no idea why the Italians call the large city in Bayern "Monaco", when they know that's a place in France!

I think Byron or some English poet screwed up our versions of Italian city names, which (if true) isn't so surprising when you consider Byron wasn't his real name either!  ;D One place, one name is a lot easier.
 
I'd pronounce Norge any old way because faking an Italian accent when saying a Nowegian word seems nutty to me!
 
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: egschade on March 31, 2011, 04:58:48 PM
I wonder how you say Stone in Italian?  :BEER:

di pietra  (dee-pee-a-tra)

I'll stick with "stone"

Fortunately for me, my California is spelled California and pronounced cal-ee-for-nya, almost the same
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: mphcycles on March 31, 2011, 05:01:44 PM
at the dealer meeting intro of the bike in 2007  in San Antonio one of the PGA scooterheads was not pleased that I called it the Norhay.
 I explained to him, in Texas thats the way it was pronounced.  To prove my point I asked one of the hotel staff passing by, in my own broken  Spanish ,the name of that bike.  His reply, one word.... Norhay.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Matteo on March 31, 2011, 05:28:04 PM
at the dealer meeting intro of the bike in 2007  in San Antonio one of the PGA scooterheads was not pleased that I called it the Norhay.
 I explained to him, in Texas thats the way it was pronounced.  To prove my point I asked one of the hotel staff passing by, in my own broken  Spanish ,the name of that bike.  His reply, one word.... Norhay.

I will remember that next time I am in the Bronx. :D
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Zoom Zoom on March 31, 2011, 05:34:11 PM
Where is Nick when we need him? ;D Nick, who himself if from our beloved Italy, told me Nor-jah. Think of Steely Dan's album Aja. Norja.

Dat is what he said.

Zoom Zoom,
John Henry
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Lank on April 01, 2011, 06:54:00 AM
any way you want too..if you get any crap just pop em a nice wheelie and drive away


(http://s4.postimage.org/kjlsur50/180531_184997634868001_100000732968677_472228_4996124_n_1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/kjlsur50/)
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: montelatici on April 01, 2011, 08:38:54 AM
I wonder how you say Stone in Italian?  :BEER:

di pietra  (dee-pee-a-tra)

I'll stick with "stone"

Fortunately for me, my California is spelled California and pronounced cal-ee-for-nya, almost the same

La California (a town in Tuscany) is pronounced almost exactly the same in Italian:



http://tinyurl.com/3qfe3he
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Thunderbox on April 04, 2011, 09:58:17 AM
Well then if we don't pronounce Norge as Norjeh.  Then why pronounce Moto Guzzi as Moto Gootsie.  We may as well just say moto gussie.  Half of the pronunciation just doesn't seem right if you know what I mean Vern..
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: jim mac on April 04, 2011, 10:34:52 AM
it rhymes with orange.

I don't think anything rhymes with "orange", or is that "purple"? Except for maple syrple.

In Texas, in a world of HD sycophants, it's enough that I'm on a Guzzi. I've decided to simplify my life a bit here and there and part of that was just embracing the fact that my sport-tourer was named in honor of a famous appliance manufacturer.

Apparantly nothinh rhymes with orange - but purple has 'hirple' which means to limp or drag your  leg, and 'Cirple' which has soemthing to do with the back end of a horse
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Bill Hagan on April 04, 2011, 10:53:37 AM
Well then if we don't pronounce Norge as Norjuh.  Then why pronounce Moto Guzzi as Moto Gootsie.  We may as well just say moto gussie.  Half of the pronunciation just doesn't seem right if you know what I mean Vern..

Not sure how the French side of you folks say it up there, but south of the border, we apply the "pizza rule."  I mean, do you really say "I'll take a medium pissa?"  ;D

Bill 
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Thunderbox on April 04, 2011, 01:18:05 PM
Well then if we don't pronounce Norge as Norjuh.  Then why pronounce Moto Guzzi as Moto Gootsie.  We may as well just say moto gussie.  Half of the pronunciation just doesn't seem right if you know what I mean Vern..

Not sure how the French side of you folks say it up there, but south of the border, we apply the "pizza rule."  I mean, do you really say "I'll take a medium pissa?"  ;D

Bill 


No because you use the Italian pronounciation.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Lannis on April 04, 2011, 01:50:33 PM
Well then if we don't pronounce Norge as Norjuh.  Then why pronounce Moto Guzzi as Moto Gootsie.  We may as well just say moto gussie.  Half of the pronunciation just doesn't seem right if you know what I mean Vern..

Not sure how the French side of you folks say it up there, but south of the border, we apply the "pizza rule."  I mean, do you really say "I'll take a medium pissa?"  ;D

Bill 


No because you use the Italian pronounciation.

And if you use the American pronunciation on the word "ghouti", it's pronounced "fish".   ("gh" as in "tough", etc.)
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: nilknarf on April 04, 2011, 01:54:35 PM
Well then if we don't pronounce Norge as Norjeh.  Then why pronounce Moto Guzzi as Moto Gootsie.  We may as well just say moto gussie.  Half of the pronunciation just doesn't seem right if you know what I mean Vern..

 ;D ;D Are you guys absolutely sure it's not "Nor-geh" ?  ;D ;D

                                                                          ~; Dave  ;-T
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Crusty on April 04, 2011, 03:29:22 PM
I call mine a Norge. Pronounced like the appliances. Not nor - gee, nor - geh, nor - guh or even nor - juh. Just one sylable: Norge.

How important is it, really?
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Thunderbox on April 04, 2011, 04:41:33 PM
I call mine a Norge. Pronounced like the appliances. Not nor - gee, nor - geh, nor - guh or even nor - juh. Just one sylable: Norge.

How important is it, really?

Well Crooostie I am not really sure now that you mention it lol.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Rotten Ralph on April 04, 2011, 05:26:20 PM
Quote
How important is it, really?

Once the nice weather gets to us northeners it won't matter one crappola because we'll all be riding!! ;-T ;-T ;-T ;-T ;-T ;-T :BEER: :BEER: :BEER:
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: biking sailor on April 04, 2011, 05:58:57 PM
Seems to me (WARNING: weird logic alert!) if an Italian motorcycle is named after a foreign town, that also was the name of a refrigerator, the pronunciation should be the same as the town the motorcycle model was named after, or should it be the Italian pronunciation of the foreign town.  I think not?

If I had one of "those bikes with the controversial name", I'd pull the plastic off and call it a Breva!   :BEER:
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: David Lee on April 04, 2011, 09:40:43 PM
... if an Italian motorcycle is named after a foreign town, that also was the name of a refrigerator, the pronunciation should be the same as the town the motorcycle model was named after, or should it be the Italian pronunciation of the foreign town. 

I agree, but it's a country, not a town and then many of us lost interest and went riding.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Lank on April 05, 2011, 06:50:50 AM
as far as I am concerned there is no  "gay" in Norge.  Just a tough, good riding bike that should go the distance.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: biking sailor on April 05, 2011, 07:03:21 AM
Norge was named after a country? :o  Next you're gonna tell me it was from a guy riding a bike from Italy to Norway a long time ago.  And all this time I thought it was a town in Oklahoma!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norge,_Oklahoma

I gotta get out of Oklahoma more often! (riding in Arkansas this weekend doesn't count)  :BEER:
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Adk.IBO on April 05, 2011, 07:07:59 AM
So, how do Norgians(?) in Oklahoma say it? ;D
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: moltoguzzi on April 05, 2011, 07:10:15 AM

These threads always puzzle me.

I have as many -- OK, probably more  ;) -- affectations as anyone here, but why would we not apply English language pronunciation rules to this?

Friends who come back from Italy and make others suffer through how they "simply loved Milano, Firenze, and Venezia," eventually get over it, but this Norge [as in "NORJ," IMO] discussion is seemingly endless.

Wonder if appliance groupies debated how to pronounce that old brand, Norge?  :D

http://www.rekitchen.com/stoves/brands/norge.html

Bill

Anyone that can pronounce Gelato and North can pronounce Norge. take the Nor part of North and add the Ge part of gelato. If Gelato is a problem use the Je from Jeremiah or Jeremy.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: exiledrebel on May 14, 2011, 10:53:31 PM
So, can you help out a newcomer? How is "Norge" pronounced, when we're talking about the Moto Guzzi rather than the old-school refrigerator? I'm thinking they're not pronounced the same way.
thanks
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: muenzt on May 14, 2011, 11:02:28 PM
Apparently there is a lot of disagreement about this, based on this previous thread.

http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=42596.0
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: exiledrebel on May 14, 2011, 11:47:52 PM
Ah. Can of worms, I opened it.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Crusty on May 15, 2011, 12:26:57 AM
Just think of your old icebox.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: muenzt on May 15, 2011, 01:21:19 AM
Frigidare? :D
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: muenzt on May 15, 2011, 01:29:31 AM
Ah. Can of worms, I opened it.

If you want to open another can of worms, maybe you should also ask how to pronounce "Guzzi".
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: elmosisu on May 15, 2011, 02:30:28 AM

I asked a real Italian transplant that is a friend of my father, and he said:


Moto Gootsie        NOR jeh                 


a slight rolled "R" in the "NOR"           and the "jeh"  is almost cut off and very soft


.............I believe him................ his name is Marcel............. .he was born and raised in Italy........


Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Stretch45 on May 15, 2011, 03:23:57 AM
Go here

http://translate.google.com/#en|it|Moto%20Guzzi%20Norge

Works for me  ;-T

Stretch
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Stormtruck2 on May 15, 2011, 11:01:14 AM
My preferred way to pronounce Norge is "Mine."  Unfortunately I still have to pronounce it as "Not Mine." :'(
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Crusty on May 15, 2011, 11:32:39 AM
Frigidare? :D

Naw; Kelvinator
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Rotten Ralph on May 15, 2011, 01:27:19 PM
Quote
Naw; Kelvinator
He most certainly did not! :o :o
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Edo on May 15, 2011, 03:37:23 PM
"Norge" is not an Italian word. Norge is the Norwegian, Danish and Swedish name for Norway. So it would not be pronounced as an Italian word. (Makes sense to me)
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Sasquatch Jim on May 15, 2011, 04:10:34 PM
My preferred way to pronounce Norge is "Mine."  Unfortunately I still have to pronounce it as "Not Mine." :'(

Nice of those bank folks to let you borrow it.

Sasquatch Jim
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Stormtruck2 on May 15, 2011, 04:13:08 PM
They won't even let me borrow one. My credit is so bad, (How bad is it?) that they won't even take my cash without a cosigner. (Ba Da Dum) ;) :D
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Ed in Miami on July 27, 2011, 01:07:40 PM
The Google translator says that Norway in Italian is "Norvegia."  In Norwegian, "Norge" means "Norway."  The word "Norge" has no meaning in the Italian language.

Years ago, I had Italian in college.  I believe the correct Italian pronunciation of "Norge" would be "Nor-jay" (phonetic).  I would bet that's what the Moto Guzzi employees call them back in Italy.

In any event, it's "una moto bellissima."
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: nikwax on July 27, 2011, 02:39:49 PM
and the Norwegian pronunciation would be noor-guh with rising inflection at the end.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on July 27, 2011, 05:15:20 PM
I say potato, and you say.. oh never mind.  ;D
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: healeyblue on July 27, 2011, 11:10:01 PM
Don't make no never mind! I agree with what Edo said. However, your average red suspender Guzzista is going to say Norj like the refrigerator no matter what. Being an honorary member of the Sons of Norway I tried it the Scandhoot way for a while but just gave in to standard American convention after one too many good natured ribbings.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Mountain Bob on July 26, 2012, 10:25:13 PM
OK, enough of the refrigerator jokes about the Seriously Shrouded member of the MG line, the Norge.  

Is that name properly pronounced "Norrrr-jhe" ?  (as in, "I didn't want a Norge, so I got a Kelvinator.")

Or is it pronounced "Nor-Gay" ? (as in, "He's neither Straight Nor-gay -- he just dresses like that 'cause it's Harley night at the Real Bikers bar.")

Not that the jokes will quit, but they might change just a bit . . .   ::)


--mb
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Idontwantapickle on July 26, 2012, 10:50:52 PM
We have (not) decided this in the past a couple times. Here's one.
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=45728.0
Hunter
PS I call mine Norge.  :BEER:
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: BravoBravo on July 26, 2012, 10:57:52 PM
When I visited the Moto Guzzi museum in Lake Como last summer, I asked one of the Italian guys working there how to pronounce it. His response was, "Oh, that's easy - it's Nor-gay."

Bruce
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Oca on July 26, 2012, 11:31:54 PM
Sorry, "G" followed by "e" is a soft G.

Norge.

Even in French, it the "e" had an accent egue, it would be Nor - ghay.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: donn on July 27, 2012, 01:16:17 AM
We have (not) decided this in the past a couple times. Here's one.
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=45728.0

I went and reviewed some of that stuff and was shocked to see a suggestion that the name "Eldorado" might be pronounced el-do-ray-do by some.  Please say it isn't true.

I'd go with nor-gay, if that's the story from Moto Guzzi.  Or nor-geh.  But I'm glad all I need to know is how to say "California two."
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Zoomie on July 27, 2012, 01:49:45 AM
El Doraydo is a town in, I believe, Oklahoma...could be Texas, though.    They pronounce things funny there.  Try Gotebo, Oklahoma..Go Tea Boe..accent on the GO.   :BEER:  3.2 in Oklahoma, though, unless you want it warm.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: MotorcycleTed on July 27, 2012, 02:57:39 AM
Does it really matter, when most people incorrectly say Goozy, and not Gutzi? Heeeyy.. nice Gooozy Norghay!
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Mountain Bob on July 27, 2012, 03:40:05 AM
Ale-doe-ray-doe is in Ork-ann-saww.  
Just like Lul'Rok.  

It's been a few years since I was through there;
back then you'd best declare that you're neither Lesbian Nor-gay.  

Probably differnt now.  Mostly all I know about Ork-ann-saww anymore is that a WG Moderator is from there, and there was a story about a football coach, a Harley, and a young female Athletic Department employee.  Apparently he is no longer the coach, Nor-gay.  

... just sayin' . . .

--mb
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Sasquatch Jim on July 27, 2012, 04:04:24 AM
 Well Bob your the one who lives not far south of the Penned O'Riley and right next to the Coor De Lane.
 Therefore you may pronounce anything any way you see fit.
 When I lived in Northern Idaho, I had enough trouble with Boner county, much less those froggie tang tongulars.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: molly on July 27, 2012, 05:30:42 AM
When I visited the Moto Guzzi museum in Lake Como last summer, I asked one of the Italian guys working there how to pronounce it. His response was, "Oh, that's easy - it's Nor-gay."

Bruce
Nor-gay might work in Italy but I'm not sure if I said "I'm riding the Nor-gay tommorrow" in the local pub what sort of response I would get, well I do actually so I will stick to Norge.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: blackbuell on July 27, 2012, 06:00:30 AM
Why be pretentious? If you're in the USA, why not pronounce it like most Americans would, even though it is not how Italians would pronounce it. How do you pronounce "Paris"?

Jon
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: leafman60 on July 27, 2012, 06:01:23 AM
Sigh.  The Norge is named after a monumental journey to Norway during the early years of Guzzi.

Norway in Italian is "Norvegia."

"Norge" is the nordic spelling of the word.  I've been to that part of the world and they prounce it more like " nor- gah" rather than "nor-gay."

The "gay" ending is probably due to the italian inflection on this word.  They like more musical interpretations of words.

Anglos tend to say "norj."  We also tend to say "goo-zee" rather than the italian "goot-zee."

Here's another one.  Many folks here refer to the car as a "porsh," one syllable rather than the two-syllable european "por-sha."

Ever been to "ver-sails" kentucky ?  "la- faay- et" alabama?

By the way, "pronunciation."
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: MGKrebs on July 27, 2012, 06:35:06 AM
Why be pretentious? If you're in the USA, why not pronounce it like most Americans would, even though it is not how Italians would pronounce it. How do you pronounce "Paris"?

Jon

^^^ Dat's what I say. Not sure how they would say it in Nawlins though.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Dean Rose on July 27, 2012, 06:59:50 AM
Just ride the friggin thing!  ;D


Dean
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: donn on July 27, 2012, 09:15:45 AM
Why be pretentious? If you're in the USA, why not pronounce it like most Americans would, even though it is not how Italians would pronounce it. How do you pronounce "Paris"?

I used the "Paris" example myself, in one of the threads linked above, but Paris has a standard English pronunciation.  In principle, though spelled the same, it's two different words, as Bavaria and Bayern are different words, albeit related.  This is fairly rare - an English place name that happens to be spelled the same as the name used by the local inhabitants - and of course it is not the case with Norge, inasmuch as Norge is not an English place name.

If you ask the mailman or someone how to pronounce it, you'll just get a random guess, and the most common random guess is still no better than a random guess.

If you know enough English to post here, it should not be news that you can't guess a word's pronunciation from its spelling.  Italians on the other hand could be excused for making this error, but apparently at Moto Guzzi they get that Norge is not Italian.

We do have some latitude, though.  Among the various languages involved, vowels are similar but not exactly the same.  One of the prominent peculiarities of English is the way we pronounce "long" vowels as a combination of two vowel sounds - so "gay" for example comes out "geh-y" (in most US dialects.)   Italian and English are alike in that they have two E sounds, and it's natural to render the Italian close and open E as English long and short E, respectively -- but inasmuch as both Italian vowels are "pure", they both sound more like the short E.  And apparently that fits with Norwegian pronunciation as well.

So I'm saying that particularly in this unstressed position, there's a good case for pronounced it more like nor-geh.  If that helps guys who are anxious about what will happen if the sound "gay" comes out of their mouths, so much the better.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Yeahoo Whoyah on July 27, 2012, 09:31:18 AM
I'm sure glad I can just call my bike the V11.  Or the five-eleven  ???
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Bill Hagan on July 27, 2012, 09:36:15 AM
Mojohand and I spend a bit of time on the phone and person.  We have an unspoken agreement.  He calls (both of) his Norges, "Norj' Juh."  I say "Norj."  Thus, in the same conversation, using the word(s) 20+ times, we tolerate the other's ignorance without skipping a beat.   :D

OBTW, how do the pronunciation pedants here pronounce the refrigerator, "Norge."  ::)

Bill 
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: JJ on July 27, 2012, 10:08:23 AM
I thought I heard the word NORGE used somewhere else before... ;D :D ;) :)

Norge refrigerators were common household appliances from the 1930s to the 1970s. Norge originally manufactured window iceboxes, and later moved to motorized refrigeration units.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Kev m on July 27, 2012, 10:22:34 AM
Why be pretentious? If you're in the USA, why not pronounce it like most Americans would, even though it is not how Italians would pronounce it. How do you pronounce "Paris"?

As alluded too, because there is no "proper" US pronunciation anyway.

Pretentious? I disagree that it is pretentious just to try and use a proper pronunciation of a name if you can.

MOST Americans mispronounce my last name, but that doesn't mean I'm going to start mispronouncing it too.

Anyway - I'm also half Italian, with grandparents that were born in the "old country" and so I grew up learning their pronunciation of a number of Italian things (mostly food), and I use those pronunciations to this day.

That, in and of itself, is not pretentious.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: rboe on July 27, 2012, 10:48:52 AM
Strong Norwegian blood line so I go with Norj rhymes with George. Since I tend to murder many words I just put with it. Don't get me going on Centaro.  ;D

I'm very tempted to call my Griso a Ten-Eee and be done with it.  :pop
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: VonNostrand on July 27, 2012, 11:38:11 AM
Why be pretentious? If you're in the USA, why not pronounce it like most Americans would, even though it is not how Italians would pronounce it. How do you pronounce "Paris"?

Jon

 :+1! My thoughts, exactly. Besides, MG's choice of names for the American market, e.g. "Stone," has been abysmal.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Mountain Bob on July 27, 2012, 12:23:42 PM

By the way, "pronunciation."


Oh, sure . . .  ::)

Next thing you know, we'll be trying to elect a "goober-nor" --  Well, at least in Georgia . . .  ;)

--mb
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: twhitaker on July 27, 2012, 12:58:21 PM
MOST Americans mispronounce my last name, but that doesn't mean I'm going to start mispronouncing it too.

Don't see how anybody could mispronounce m. It's m! ;D
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Bill Hagan on July 27, 2012, 01:12:37 PM


As far as I am concerned, this pic pretty much settles the debate:



(http://s11.postimage.org/slhli1chb/Maytag_Norge.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/slhli1chb/)


 :D

Bill

P.S.  This was Rick Mathis's Norge at 2009 South'n Spine Raid

Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Guzzistajohn on July 27, 2012, 01:13:55 PM
I was thinking about getting a BMW just 'cause it's eacy to spell AND pronounce.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on July 27, 2012, 01:22:03 PM
El Doraydo is a town in, I believe, Oklahoma...could be Texas, though.    They pronounce things funny there.  Try Gotebo, Oklahoma..Go Tea Boe..accent on the GO.   :BEER:  3.2 in Oklahoma, though, unless you want it warm.

El Dorado is in Arkansas.  It's pronounced El-do-ray-do.  The "do" being pronounced like "doe" or "dough".  It's an oil town and the home of Murphy Oil.

Miami in Oklahoma is pronounced "My-am-uh".

How you pronounce anything depends upon where you're standing and with whom you're talking.

Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Bill Hagan on July 27, 2012, 01:22:27 PM
I was thinking about getting a BMW just 'cause it's eacy to spell AND pronounce.

Not really.  Some here would say "Bay Em Vay."   :D
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on July 27, 2012, 01:23:06 PM
 
Key words: Pronunciation, Pronounce, Pronounced... 

Along with "Norge", they will find you the answer (or not) with the search function.

Now merged into a threadfest.  Do we really need six or eight threads wondering how to pronounce Norge?
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Sasquatch Jim on July 27, 2012, 01:24:11 PM
 Of course, pronounce it like the Germans do,  Bay Em Vay.
 Or Boyer ish Motern Verk Ay,  No difficulty at all with that one.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: BravoBravo on July 27, 2012, 01:30:48 PM

As far as I am concerned, this pic pretty much settles the debate:



(http://s11.postimage.org/slhli1chb/Maytag_Norge.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/slhli1chb/)


 :D

Bill

P.S.  This was Rick Mathis's Norge at 2009 South'n Spine Raid



Now that is funny. I don't care where you're from!  ;D ;-T ;D
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Bill Hagan on July 27, 2012, 01:42:02 PM


***

Do we really need six or eight threads wondering how to pronounce Norge?


Some ask why; others ask why not.   :D

Bill
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on July 27, 2012, 01:45:40 PM
Some ask why; others ask why not.   :D

Bill

"back in the day", I would've just bumped them all to the front page.   ;D

now that I have "the button", I'm putting the merge feature to use.   :BEER:
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Sack on July 27, 2012, 02:48:59 PM
How can we say any word is pronounced only one way when we're such a melting pot who's official language changes daily based on popular talk? I don't know how people studying (our) English are even able to learn it!
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Idontwantapickle on July 27, 2012, 03:10:27 PM
 :pop
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: screamday on July 27, 2012, 04:09:42 PM
"back in the day", I would've just bumped them all to the front page.   ;D

now that I have "the button", I'm putting the merge feature to use.   :BEER:

With the lack of understanding on how to use the search function, you will wearing out that new little button you have been empowered with.  ;D :BEER:
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: donn on July 27, 2012, 04:19:46 PM
How can we say any word is pronounced only one way when we're such a melting pot who's official language changes daily based on popular talk? I don't know how people studying (our) English are even able to learn it!

(I'm not sure the following quotation makes any really valid point, but it seems like an appropriate follow-up.)

Quote from: James Nicoll
The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.

Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Lannis on July 27, 2012, 04:52:21 PM
"back in the day", I would've just bumped them all to the front page.   ;D

now that I have "the button", I'm putting the merge feature to use.   :BEER:

I just want all of you to know ....

I knew rocker59 when he wasn't nothin', was just a regular peon like the rest of us.    Is fame, power, and fortune going to change him?   Will Marcia still be able to ride with him?   Will he still come to rallies and hang out?   Or will he be drawn to the halls of power and influence wherein he now resides at WG world headquarters, never to mingle with the hoi-polloi again?

Time will tell ...  ;-T :D

Lannis
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on July 27, 2012, 05:26:33 PM
I guess we'll see in McAlester tomorrow...  

 :bike

Oh, and I think we'll hold an impromptu poll at Bob's, asking the locals about this word, "Norge"...

 :BEER:
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Kev m on July 27, 2012, 06:04:42 PM
Don't see how anybody could mispronounce m. It's m! ;D
:D ;D :D ;-T
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Bill Hagan on July 27, 2012, 06:59:14 PM
El Dorado is in Arkansas.  It's pronounced El-do-ray-do.  The "do" being pronounced like "doe" or "dough".  It's an oil town and the home of Murphy Oil.

Miami in Oklahoma is pronounced "My-am-uh".

How you pronounce anything depends upon where you're standing and with whom you're talking.



I've known only a few folks from Ar-kansas.  Great people, tho one guy -- a fellow law professor at West Point -- had this watch with a silly red pig on it that raced around and made squealing sounds on the hour.  He was wonderfully proud of it, but we plotted to steal and stomp it, tho we never did.   ;)
 
My favorite pronunciation story involving an Arkansan was after the ground war in Desert Storm.

I was sitting in my "office," a tent in the middle of nowhere in Saudi Arabia (a redundant construction, that) when I heard someone approaching.  

A young lieutenant lifted the flap, came in, and said, "Suh, I am Lt. X from the Arkansas National Guard."

I responded, "hooah!" -- a term that had only recently entered the Army at the time, and which, for those who aren't familiar with it, meant and means ... well, pretty much whatever you want it to mean.  My meaning was, "Great.  Welcome.  Make yourself comfortable (before I put your young ssa to work.)"  :D

I guess the the lieut. thought I was a deaf old guy and that I had used the Arkansas two-syllable version of "who."  So, he repeated slowly and more loudly:

"Suh, I am Lt. X from the Arkansas National Guard."

 ;D

Bill
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on July 27, 2012, 11:55:36 PM
That sounds like a Forest Gump moment, for sure...    ;D
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: PICKLEKOOKEN on July 28, 2012, 01:13:57 PM
I call mine a NORGY.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: radan2 on July 28, 2012, 01:41:40 PM
The one I hear about all the time is how you all pronounce "Pedernales".

The big questions for me are: (1) does that mean what the rumors say it means? (2) If so, how do they explain it to small children?
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: radan2 on July 28, 2012, 01:53:21 PM
Not sure how the French side of you folks say it up there, but south of the border, we apply the "pizza rule."  I mean, do you really say "I'll take a medium pissa?"  ;D

Bill 



No because you use the Italian pronounciation.


And if you use the American pronunciation on the word "ghouti", it's pronounced "fish".   ("gh" as in "tough", etc.)

I have been able to find no instance in English where an initial "gh" is pronounced as "f".
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Lannis on July 28, 2012, 01:58:20 PM
I have been able to find no instance in English where an initial "gh" is pronounced as "f".

Yeah but how's a non-English speaker who's trying to learn by example going to know that .... ?   I'm glad I don't have to learn English, it makes no sense at all unless you grew up with it ....

Lannis
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Spuddy on July 28, 2012, 02:56:29 PM
"NOR-da-ga" Plain and not so simple.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Atavar on July 28, 2012, 04:56:14 PM
I have been able to find no instance in English where an initial "gh" is pronounced as "f".
ghoti , pronounced like fish
You pronounce the 'gh' in 'rough' as 'f'
You pronounce the 'o' in 'women' as 'i'
You pronounce the 'ti' in 'nation' as 'sh'
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Stormtruck2 on July 28, 2012, 06:55:58 PM
ghoti , pronounced like fish
You pronounce the 'gh' in 'rough' as 'f'
You pronounce the 'o' in 'women' as 'i'
You pronounce the 'ti' in 'nation' as 'sh'



Ehhhh? ??? ??? ???  Whhhaaatttt????  Me no speak a englash.  ~; ;) :D
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Buckturgidson on July 28, 2012, 07:05:57 PM
Take it from someone who knows italian diction:
Nor'-jay.
Accent on first syllable, slight roll of R is correct.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Bill Hagan on July 28, 2012, 07:13:01 PM
Take it from someone who knows italian diction:
Nor'-jay.
Accent on first syllable, slight roll of R is correct.

When in Rome, perhaps ... but in Milan (Illinois!) or, as was the case in Buffalo, Iowa, this a.m., "Norj" will do.   :D

Bill
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Buckturgidson on July 28, 2012, 07:29:14 PM
I'll be in Genoa tomorrow, Nevada that is.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Bill Hagan on July 28, 2012, 07:41:02 PM
I'll be in Genoa tomorrow, Nevada that is.

Wayne Orwig, Georgia's MGNOC Duce, did a "tag" event a few years ago.  Had us "collect" all the little burgs scattered around Georgia named after Italian towns.  Amazing how many there were. Milan was, tho, unlike its Lombard namesake, way south.

Bill
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: donn on July 28, 2012, 08:05:20 PM
Take it from someone who knows italian diction:

That's the same mistake as the "norj" crowd is making.  Take it from someone who knows Italian, take it from someone who knows English, take it from someone who knows Norwegian.  Take your guess, and go round and round.

Rather, take it from someone who knows how to pronounce the name of the motorcycle.  What do they say at Moto Guzzi?  Read the thread and find out.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Bill Hagan on July 28, 2012, 08:34:51 PM
That's the same mistake as the "norj" crowd is making.  Take it from someone who knows Italian, take it from someone who knows English, take it from someone who knows Norwegian.  Take your guess, and go round and round.

Rather, take it from someone who knows how to pronounce the name of the motorcycle.  What do they say at Moto Guzzi?  Read the thread and find out.

If I read your post correctly, why should we necessarily pronounce it as they do in Mandello?  They call that region's capital city, "Milano." Here, in Illinois, we call that city -- and the town here -- Milan.

I am, actually, in some state of disbelief that I am even "contributing" to this thread.   ::)

Think I'll pour some bottled corn and look at pix from today's ride.   ;)

Bill
NORJ rider   ;D



Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: radan2 on July 28, 2012, 08:36:06 PM
ghoti , pronounced like fish
You pronounce the 'gh' in 'rough' as 'f'
You pronounce the 'o' in 'women' as 'i'
You pronounce the 'ti' in 'nation' as 'sh'


In English, words beginning with "gh" are not pronounce as "f": ghetto, gherkin, ghillie (Scottish), and ghost are all pronounced with a hard "g". If "ghoti" is an English word, whatever may be said about the rest, the first sound is a hard g.

Yes, English is a language with a very unusual spelling system. Our spelling reflects, not just the pronunciation of a word, but its history, origin, and meaning. So I'll, aisle, and isle mean entirely different things, and no competent English speaker confuses one for the the other in print. George Bernard Shaw invented "ghoti" and its rationale as part of his campaign for spelling reform. But it's an arbitrary collection of letters: "gh" is not used as "f" at the beginning of English words, and when "ti" is pronounced "sh" it is part of the suffix "-tion."

However, nothing about this tells us how to pronounce "Norge." Around here, I would pronounce it "rare."
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Bill Hagan on July 28, 2012, 08:47:39 PM
In English, words beginning with "gh" are not pronounce as "f": ghetto, gherkin, ghillie (Scottish), and ghost are all pronounced with a hard "g". If "ghoti" is an English word, whatever may be said about the rest, the first sound is a hard g.

Yes, English is a language with a very unusual spelling system. Our spelling reflects, not just the pronunciation of a word, but its history, origin, and meaning. So I'll, aisle, and isle mean entirely different things, and no competent English speaker confuses one for the the other in print. George Bernard Shaw invented "ghoti" and its rationale as part of his campaign for spelling reform. But it's an arbitrary collection of letters: "gh" is not used as "f" at the beginning of English words, and when "ti" is pronounced "sh" it is part of the suffix "-tion."

However, nothing about this tells us how to pronounce "Norge." Around here, I would pronounce it "rare."

You appear to be a professional, or serious amateur, etymologist ... or, at least, a practiced linguistics geek.   :D

This is, then, probably something more for a PM, but I'll start it here, anyway.

Am in middle of Joshua Kendall's biography of Noah Webster, "The Forgotten Founding Father: Noah Webster's Obsession and the Creation of an American Culture."  Presume you know it, but I have it now in paperback, as I missed its release.  Fascinating stuff about a remarkable (and weird) guy who -- if the book is accurate -- had an amazing impact on us.

I am pretty sure that Noah Webster would have pronounced "Norge" as "NORJ."   ;D

Bill

Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: donn on July 28, 2012, 08:55:41 PM
If I read your post correctly, why should we necessarily pronounce it as they do in Mandello?  They call that region's capital city, "Milano." Here, in Illinois, we call that city -- and the town here -- Milan.

That's different.  Look it up, in an English dictionary.  My MacBook here comes with a little OED, which works:  "Milan ... blah, blah ... Italian name Milano."  Milan is an English name, for the city the Italians know as Milano.

Norge is not an English name for the motorcycle that the Italian motorcycle manufacturer Moto Guzzi named "Norge".  It is rather the very name they gave it, and they are the authority for how it's to be pronounced.

Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Bill Hagan on July 28, 2012, 09:19:29 PM
That's different.  Look it up, in an English dictionary.  My MacBook here comes with a little OED, which works:  "Milan ... blah, blah ... Italian name Milano."  Milan is an English name, for the city the Italians know as Milano.

Norge is not an English name for the motorcycle that the Italian motorcycle manufacturer Moto Guzzi named "Norge".  It is rather the very name they gave it, and they are the authority for how it's to be pronounced.



Interesting.

But reminds me of this:

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZkBSJmzu6lk/T012g9hPYDI/AAAAAAAABwM/XPEUsE2PRvI/s1600/come+and+take+it.jpg)   


:D

You say "potato" ... I'll say "NORJ."

Back to sipping my Selvaggio Tacchino.  ;)

Bill

Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Muley on July 28, 2012, 09:48:44 PM
I've read this thread with (yawn) little interest.  However, I think that only those who actually bought and paid for a Norge should be able to answer this delicate question, and whatever the owners of these bikes want to call it is fine by me. ::)

I will simply refer to this model as the Tupperware Bike 8)
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Atavar on July 28, 2012, 09:51:44 PM
Mine is a Norj ..  you can put whatever faggy name you want on yours..  oops..  did I say that out loud?  

I suppose if you really want to be proper you can follow it all the way back to the Norwegian.. 

World English Dictionary
Norge  (ˈnɔrɡə)
— n
the Norwegian name for Norway

but mine is still a norj
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Bill Hagan on July 28, 2012, 09:54:23 PM
I've read this thread with (yawn) little interest.  However, I think that only those who actually bought and paid for a Norge should be able to answer this delicate question, and whatever the owners of these bikes want to call it is fine by me. ::)

I will simply refer to this model as the Tupperware Bike 8)

Noted.  You are now officially uninvited to Cross Junction.  "Granny" remains welcome.   ;D

Bill
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Muley on July 29, 2012, 07:20:31 AM
Noted.  You are now officially uninvited to Cross Junction.  "Granny" remains welcome.   ;D

Bill


Well, I won't sink to your level, you and Kathi are still welcome here, but I'd try to keep that plastic motorcycle parked in the shade at least until November when it starts to cool off a little ;D

PS  Heinz has a new joint in downtown Dublin.  Looks promising!
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Buckturgidson on July 29, 2012, 08:03:04 AM
Mine is a Norj ..  you can put whatever faggy name you want on yours..  oops..  did I say that out loud?  

I suppose if you really want to be proper you can follow it all the way back to the Norwegian..  

World English Dictionary
Norge  (ˈnɔrɡə)
— n
the Norwegian name for Norway

but mine is still a norj

First of all, I don't care how anyone else pronounces Norge, the most importnant thing is we all "get" what an awesome ride it is.
Personally however, I prefer to pronounce it correctly, just like I prefer to hear my own name pronounced correctly. That is, as Donn stated, the way it's pronounced at Moto Guzzi. I think that is more respectful. Sometimes I get paid to sing Verdi and Puccini in Italian, so I think about diction a lot. That doesn't make me "faggy." Chicks dig it.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Bill Hagan on July 29, 2012, 08:23:56 AM
First of all, I don't care how anyone else pronounces Norge, the most important thing is we all "get" what an awesome ride it is.

***


Perfect.


***

Personally however, I prefer to pronounce it correctly, just like I prefer to hear my own name pronounced correctly. That is, as Donn stated, the way it's pronounced at Moto Guzzi. I think that is more respectful.

***

So, I take it that you and Donn say "JAG YOU ARE" as does that effete and affected Brit voice in those TV and radio ad spots?

I ain't about to be that "respectful."   ;

More at http://forums.motortrend.com/70/1075363/the-general-forum/frequently-mispronounced-car-company-names/index.html (http://forums.motortrend.com/70/1075363/the-general-forum/frequently-mispronounced-car-company-names/index.html)


***

Granted, I've been paid to sing Verdi and Puccini in Italian, so I think about diction a lot. That doesn't make me "faggy." Chicks dig it.

 :bow  

The only chicks who seem to enjoy my off-key tenor are my grandbaby girls, all 5 and under.  That won't last long.   :'(

As in all things, YMMV.

Best,

Bill



Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Atavar on July 29, 2012, 08:42:03 AM
I guess I must be a little redneck, but if I am speaking American English I will use American English pronunciations.  If I am speaking Italian I will use the Italian pronunciations.  To my ear slipping foreign pronunciations in to American English speech is a little pretentious and ostentatious.  I don't know of anyone who would accent both the first and third syllables of Hayabusa to pronounce it "properly" and I would certainly chuckle if they did.  {HI-yaaah-BOOS-sa}.  Japanese speakers feel free to correct me. 
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Buckturgidson on July 29, 2012, 09:22:28 AM
It's all good. Now excuse me, I'm going for a long ride on my Norge (insert preferred pronunciation.) :)
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Nick on July 29, 2012, 09:28:51 AM
Norj or Norjeh, it depends on the audience. Guzzi is always "gootzie", not goozie, guzzie, whatever......

How do you pronounce Centauro? "Cent-o-ro" or "Chent-aou-ro" or "The beast" ?  ;)

Ducati 1198 or "Mille chento novant'ohtto" ? ;D
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on July 29, 2012, 09:57:02 AM

How do you pronounce Centauro? "Cent-o-ro" or "Chent-aou-ro" or "The beast" ?  ;)

 

Easy.

"Ce" in Italian is pronounced "Che" in English.

So it's "Chen-tor-oh" / "Chen-tar-oh".
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Nick on July 29, 2012, 10:12:15 AM
Easy.

"Ce" in Italian is pronounced "Che" in English.

So it's "Chen-tor-oh" / "Chen-tar-oh".

Chent-ou-roh

The "ou" would be pronounced as the "ou" in "ouch". Of course you would roll the "r".
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: donn on July 29, 2012, 10:37:47 AM
To my ear slipping foreign pronunciations in to American English speech is a little pretentious and ostentatious.  I don't know of anyone who would accent both the first and third syllables of Hayabusa to pronounce it "properly" and I would certainly chuckle if they did.  {HI-yaaah-BOOS-sa}.  Japanese speakers feel free to correct me. 

That looks right to me, up to a point.  Japanese or whatever - common practice phonetic transliteration to Roman alphabet - but I don't know, I think you're talking about details that remain ambiguous.  The dictionary advises us to pronounce "motorcycle" with stress on the first and third syllables, but there are a variety of wrong ways to do that.  I understand Japanese is a tonal language, so it's practically guaranteed to change a little on its way into English.

In any case, I agree that there is no call to use foreign sounds in English speech.  No one really wants to hear Americans try to roll their Rs, or duplicate the rhythm of Italian's short vs. doubled consonants.  Or their pure vowels - though as I mentioned above, I'd take the liberty of treating the final E as `short', for that reason.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Lannis on July 29, 2012, 12:59:11 PM
Interesting.

But reminds me of this:

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZkBSJmzu6lk/T012g9hPYDI/AAAAAAAABwM/XPEUsE2PRvI/s1600/come+and+take+it.jpg)   


Looks Quebecois ... I think it was their general Frontenac who, upon being asked to parley with the English, said "I have no reply to make to you other than from the mouths of my cannons ....", and made it stick ....

Lannis
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Rotten Ralph on July 29, 2012, 01:33:09 PM
Yikes! Five pages and 194 responses and I'm still the only one here who knows how to pronounce Norge correctly.  :o :o ;D

How about something new - how to pronounce Puch. ::)
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: pebra on July 29, 2012, 04:36:24 PM
Take it from so

meone who knows italian diction:
Nor'-jay.
Accent on first syllable, slight roll of R is correct.

Really? With a diphtong at the end?
What would I know. But I'd be surprised.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: radan2 on July 29, 2012, 05:28:01 PM
You appear to be a professional, or serious amateur, etymologist ... or, at least, a practiced linguistics geek.   :D

This is, then, probably something more for a PM, but I'll start it here, anyway.

Am in middle of Joshua Kendall's biography of Noah Webster, "The Forgotten Founding Father: Noah Webster's Obsession and the Creation of an American Culture."  Presume you know it, but I have it now in paperback, as I missed its release.  Fascinating stuff about a remarkable (and weird) guy who -- if the book is accurate -- had an amazing impact on us.

I am pretty sure that Noah Webster would have pronounced "Norge" as "NORJ."   ;D

Bill



I appreciate the reference. I will download it on my Kindle.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Pfaff! on July 30, 2012, 01:44:59 AM
Mostly for our Norvegian kin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXWtP-vzKBo&feature=related
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Sack on July 30, 2012, 07:00:54 PM
http://imtranslator.net/translate-and-speak/

Well, at least in Italian!  Norway and Norge translate the same way.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: pebra on August 04, 2012, 06:03:53 PM
Mostly for our Norvegian kin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXWtP-vzKBo&feature=related

Impossible to beat Moltas there!
But here's a little consolation for you to listen to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OXBvY53iwo
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: segesta on May 28, 2014, 11:25:25 PM
So in Italian, "Norge" doesn't fit the language's spelling rules, but it would be pronounced "Norjeh."
In Norwegian, it would be pronounced "Norgeh" or similar.
And in English, "Norj."

Being a smug cosmopolitan hipster, I've always said Norge in the Norwegian fashion (you know, the way NPR announcers proudly say 'Nicaragua' in a perfect Spanish accent in an otherwise flat Midwestern style) but how does Moto Guzzi expect its model name to be pronounced?

Yeah, this is keeping me up at night. That, and pleasure over the Blackhawks' double OT win over the Kings. Your thoughts are welcomed.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Tom on May 29, 2014, 01:51:23 AM
I say tomato. :beat_horse
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: ejs on May 29, 2014, 04:16:03 AM
Some one stated in an earlier discussion on this topic " pronounced as in he is neither straight nor gay"  ;D Still get
a chuckle out of that . The Norwegian pronunciation is closer to Nahr i gah , similar to Flor i da . Kidneb would be the expert on this .
 
Dusty

As in "nor gay" if you skip the  y in  "gay" ...Norge ends with the E as the E in Eric .
 :+=copcar
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: sturgeon on May 29, 2014, 04:20:28 AM
In Canada we say norg, eh.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Bill Hagan on May 29, 2014, 06:27:30 AM

See my Guzzi list, below, for my vote.

Mojohand -- who felt quite strongly that it should be "NOR-jay" or some similar silliness does not get a vote anymore, as he has gone over to the FJR side of the house ... probably because that Yam is easier to pronounce.   ;D

Bill

Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Crusty on May 29, 2014, 06:35:11 AM
I asked an Italian guy I worked with how he would pronounce it if he were home in Italy. Ejs described it perfectly. I still pronounce it like it was a refrigerator.
It's an Italian motorcycle named for a Scandinavian country that I bought and ride in North America.Pick your own way to pronounce it.
I love to pronounce Audi the same way as I would pronounce Audie Murphie's first name. It bugs the shit out of the snobbish owners who think it should be pronounced ow-dee (they're wrong, by the way; Germans pronounce it like I do).


Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: donn on May 29, 2014, 09:37:28 AM
I love to pronounce Audi the same way as I would pronounce Audie Murphie's first name. It bugs the shit out of the snobbish owners who think it should be pronounced ow-dee (they're wrong, by the way; Germans pronounce it like I do).

The wikipedia entry for Audi includes an ogg sound file (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Audi_AG.ogg) of someone who sounds German to me, pronouncing it like "OWdee ah kee" (the full name Audi AG) with a German accent.  English vowels like "OW" are subject to a large range of regional variation, but none of them I know of sound like that German guy, and I guess the way he starts it with a far back "ah" might end up sounding more like "AWdee" in more rapid speech, to an English speaking person.  But he'll pronounce Audi and Ahdi quite differently, and in the English rendition we should too.

I never really understood the attraction to the Norge anyway, but to me ... I've heard people say "Guzzi" rhyming with "buzzy", and I suppose back in the late '60s you could imagine there was a slight chance that the name would take on an English pronunciation like that irrespective of its Italian pronunciation.  Like the way we pronounce Sicily, I guess might be a good example.  But there wasn't really any chance it was going to turn out that way, and in the end it just sounds stupid.  It's a little surprising that having seen how that went down, people would want to say "norj".
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: segesta on May 29, 2014, 09:40:55 AM
PS I'm the clown who got this endless discussion started again, and for that, I sincerely apologize.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Crusty on May 29, 2014, 10:43:30 AM
If you really want to get a Porsche owner fired up, call it a Porch.  ~;
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: donn on May 29, 2014, 11:19:37 AM
Re the Audi thing , considering that it was originally "Auto Union Deutschland Ingolstadt"

I understand that's a myth, there never was anything with exactly that name.  "Audi" is a translation to Latin, of the founder's name "Horch", when he couldn't use his name for his second business because it was a trademark for his first.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on May 29, 2014, 11:51:20 AM
Don't know about that , the Latin word Audi means sound or hearing . The company was founded in Ingolstadt , and Hitler helped promote their racing efforts , that is all I know for sure .

Dusty

And I thought AUDI was an acronym for Auto Union Deutschland Ingolstadt
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: dibble on May 29, 2014, 12:31:33 PM
Dunno I've got a V Cinquanta personally
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Triple Jim on May 29, 2014, 12:53:26 PM
Don't know about that , the Latin word Audi means sound or hearing . The company was founded in Ingolstadt , and Hitler helped promote their racing efforts , that is all I know for sure .

Dusty

The Wikipedia article has a different story.  I'm not saying that I know anything about the real history though.

If you really want to get a Porsche owner fired up, call it a Porch.  ~;

Reminds me of the (longer than this version) story about the guy hired to paint the porch of a house.  When he finished, he told the owner, and pointed out that it wasn't a porch, it was a Ferrari.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: barenekd on May 29, 2014, 02:04:48 PM
I heard Valentino Rossi Call Jorge Lorenzo "Yorguh". Certainly didn't sound like the Mexicans around here's "HorHay"
Personally I've always called the Norge "Norj" as I never had any other reference to them, but I do remember Norge refrigerators.
Bare
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: segesta on May 29, 2014, 02:08:30 PM
If you really want to get a Porsche owner fired up, call it a Porch.  ~;

In the spirit of this thread, I'll pronounce it the Italian way... "Porskeh." Ugh. ;D
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Crusty on May 29, 2014, 03:36:41 PM
In the spirit of this thread, I'll pronounce it the Italian way... "Porskeh." Ugh. ;D


 ;-T  I like it!!!  :+1
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Joe G on May 29, 2014, 03:38:38 PM
Google translate says it's pronounced norje in American. In Italian it's pronounced with a rolled r followed by a jay. NorrrrrrJay. Sounds sort nice when the Google translate lady says it.

   Joe G
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: donn on May 29, 2014, 04:18:57 PM
We are talking about 2 different entities

Actually several entities, if you count the mythical "Auto Union Deutschland Ingolstadt."  There was an "Auto Union AG", but it was formed from a merger of Audi and several other firms, so we don't have to wonder whether that's where Audi got its name - Audi had already been around for ca. 20 years.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: donn on May 30, 2014, 01:25:42 AM
Google translate says it's pronounced norje in American. In Italian it's pronounced with a rolled r followed by a jay. NorrrrrrJay. Sounds sort nice when the Google translate lady says it.

Hm, translate says English pronunciation of Moto Guzzi is "moto goozy."

If it isn't in the English language dictionary, it isn't really fair to expect Google to know how to pronounce it correctly, and same for Italian.  Norge isn't an English word, nor an Italian word, seems to be Norwegian.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Joe G on May 30, 2014, 01:57:26 AM
On Google Translate, the Italian and Norwegian pronunciation for Norge is the same. Different voices, virtually the same pronunciation.  Is it fair?  Do I care? No.  ;)

                    Joe G

Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: donn on May 30, 2014, 09:36:28 AM
On Google Translate, the Italian and Norwegian pronunciation for Norge is the same. Different voices, virtually the same pronunciation. 

That's weird, they aren't the same when I check.  Nor-gah (Norwegian) vs. Nor-jeh (Italian.)
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on May 30, 2014, 09:59:27 AM
Reminds me of the time I was corrected on the pronunciation of Centauro.

I pulled a penny from my pocket and asked him if the little copper Lincoln was called a Chent ?  LOL!

Yes, I know the proper Italian for Centauro is chen-tar-oh.

But, most Americans call it sin-tar-oh.

He looked at the penny and didn't say anything.  LOL!
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Lannis on May 30, 2014, 10:17:00 AM
Reminds me of the time I was corrected on the pronunciation of Centauro.

I pulled a penny from my pocket and asked him if the little copper Lincoln was called a Chent ?  LOL!

Yes, I know the proper Italian for Centauro is chen-tar-oh.

But, most Americans call it sin-tar-oh.

He looked at the penny and didn't say anything.  LOL!

I think you're right ... when talking about "things", you need to speak to be understood, not to be pendantically and linguistically "correct".   

I've already mentioned that "centimeter" is a French word, invented in France, that English borrowed.   But we don't say "SONT-i-metair"; that would sound snobby and silly.  We say "SENT-i-meter" because we've accepted it into English.   

When we were the only folks we knew who owned a Dauphine, we agreed with people that we had a "re-NALT", no a "ray-KNOW".   Otherwise, they wouldn't have know what we were talking about.   And what good is that?   Just to show how "smart" and cosmopolitan you are?  Good luck with that.

Names are different.   I always take pains to make sure that I know how to spell AND pronounce a person's name correctly, out of respect for them.  I've experienced too many times someone either consciously or unconsciously "put me down" or try to emphasize that I'm "different" from a local Drinkard or Jones or Jamerson by saying "What's that name?  Sely ... Asels ... Seltz... ?"   They revel in supposedly not being able to pronounce a one-syllable name, even after they've heard it and seen it spelled.   It's a sign of someone being a low-bred boor.

So when I worked with Nriprendara Nath Chakravorty or Chris Papanicolopoulos or Nakita Tsiolvikowsky, I practiced saying it right so I wouldn't be REALLY saying "You're different from me and I don't really accept you ..." by stumbling over their name day after day ....

Lannis
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: sib on May 30, 2014, 01:47:14 PM
Slightly off topic, but I saw a bumper sticker on a car yesterday "I'm so gay I can't even drive straight".

In my home state of California, we have a mixed record on pronouncing the many Spanish-derived place names.  We do pretty well with La Jolla (La HOY-a) and La Cañada (La Caan-YA-da, even though most road signs omit the tilde), but we pronounce Vallejo "Vall-E-ho", possibly because it was named after Mr. Vallejo, who may have pronounced it that way.  Only natives can keep track.

Logic would dictate that we pronounce Norge the way the manufacturer intended, whichever way that is.  But then again, in many California neighborhoods, Chevrolet is pronounced "CHE-vee".
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Joe G on May 30, 2014, 02:02:39 PM
That's weird, they aren't the same when I check.  Nor-gah (Norwegian) vs. Nor-jeh (Italian.)
Yep, you're right. They're real close though. 

So how did an Italian bike get a Norwegian name? 

    Joe. G
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on May 30, 2014, 02:31:15 PM

So how did an Italian bike get a Norwegian name?  

    Joe. G

Guzzi was excited about its first "GT" (touring) machine back in the 1920s.   (note the suspension, front AND rear.  Rare for 1928)

So, Carlo Guzzi's brother (Giuseppe) rode the below bike from Italy to the North Cape of Norway, and back (4,000 miles) to celebrate the model:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/GT500Norge01.jpg/800px-GT500Norge01.jpg)
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Joe G on May 30, 2014, 02:43:06 PM
Now thats my kind of guy, that Giuseppe.  One hell of an adventure in 1928!

   Joe G
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: kidneb on May 30, 2014, 03:36:00 PM
The Italians have their own place called Norge,- would be interesting to hear how the locals there pronounce it .

(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w477/kidneb51/6590_norge_zps513ddb15.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/kidneb51/media/6590_norge_zps513ddb15.jpg.html)

http://www.ii.uib.no/~petter/mountains/2000mtn/bondone.html

Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: jetmechmarty on May 30, 2014, 03:48:53 PM
Click the little speaker to here it pronounced in Norwegian.

http://translate.google.com/?hl=en#it/it/Norge

In Italian.

http://translate.google.com/?hl=en#it/it/Norge
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Stormtruck2 on May 30, 2014, 06:51:13 PM

Yes, I know the proper Italian for Centauro is chen-tar-oh.

But, most Americans call it sin-tar-oh.


I contend that the proper pronounciation for any Centauro is "MINE. ::) :D ;)
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Pfaff! on May 31, 2014, 12:27:56 PM
Hey , just be glad they didn't name it Kongeriket Norge , then we would have two words we can't pronounce  :D
Someone else can 'splain the trip from Italy to Norge  ;D

Dusty


We ???

Be happy they didn't name the bike in Nynorsk ("new Norwegian") ;D
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Stormtruck2 on May 31, 2014, 12:36:38 PM
There is a pattern forming here that may explain why so few folks know what a Moto Guzzi is , you guys are buying and hoarding all of them before other folks even get a chance to see one  :D

Dusty

Come to my hovel and you will get to see not one Centauro, BUT TWO, in their natural habitat, the road.  :bike :D ;)
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: oldbike54 on May 31, 2014, 01:23:43 PM
Come to my ESTATE IN THE COUNTRY and you will get to see not one Centauro, BUT TWO, in their natural habitat, the road.  :bike :D ;)

Fixed it for ya  :)

Dusty
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Joe G on May 31, 2014, 01:26:32 PM
Wait a minute!  How do we know Guiseppe really went to Norge Norway? How do we know he didn't go to Norge Italy?  Why would an Italian go to Norway, anyway?  ???

     Joe G
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: oldbike54 on May 31, 2014, 01:28:35 PM
Wait a minute!  How do we know Guiseppe really went to Norge Norway? How do we know he didn't go to Norge Italy?  Why would an Italian go to Norway, anyway?  ???

     Joe G

Simple , to make sure it was still there  :BEER:

Dusty
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Stormtruck2 on May 31, 2014, 01:44:58 PM
Fixed it for ya  :)

Dusty

The only estate I have will be my meager pocessions when I bit the big green one and die.  ::)  I am leaving my ex-wife something though, MY DEBTS AND BILLS!! ;D
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: roofus on May 31, 2014, 04:40:16 PM
Lots of people say Nor-Gay. That is close, but the correct pronunciation is Nor-guh or Nor-gah. I would write it phonetically if I knew how!
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Bill Hagan on May 31, 2014, 05:39:44 PM
Lots of people say Nor-Gay. That is close, but the correct pronunciation is Nor-guh or Nor-gah. I would write it phonetically if I knew how!

Out of curiosity, says who?   ;D

Bill



Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: kidneb on May 31, 2014, 07:16:51 PM
OK,- to end this miserable thread ( ;D), if it`s the Norwegian pronunciation of Norge we`re after,- go to 0:33 in this video clip, but please don`t go further, as some of you may find it offensive. But mind you, - those of you who disobey - it`s humor. So bear with me posting it,- it`s for the sake of a good cause ! I could`t find it as clearly spoken elsewhere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkLPYtvWpAs
 Most Norwegians, like the man here, have the "rolling" R, like the Scottish and the Italians, but in the south and the west of Norway there are dialects where the R is pronounced more like the French do.
And yes,- there are many Italian tourists and travelers in Norway, they seem to like the country. Also there are old connections from the time when trade ships from southern Europe sailed the Norwegian coast.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Bill Hagan on December 27, 2016, 09:47:15 PM


It's early winter and 2 1/2 years since this cud's been chewed.

So, I thought it about time to revive this thread :rolleyes:, so here is how I decided to settle the matter once and for all.

OK, for me, at least:   :wink:


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-pM4CvVb/0/L/i-pM4CvVb-L.jpg)


No need to thank me; I live to serve.  :laugh:

Regards from the top of Virginia,

Bill

Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: oldbike54 on December 27, 2016, 10:01:25 PM
 So ... Nor J then ? :laugh:

 Dusty
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Motogogo on December 28, 2016, 01:54:35 AM


It's early winter and 2 1/2 years since this cud's been chewed.

So, I thought it about time to revive this thread :rolleyes:, so here is how I decided to settle the matter once and for all.

OK, for me, at least:   :wink:

(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-pM4CvVb/0/L/i-pM4CvVb-L.jpg)

No need thank me; I live to serve.  :laugh:

Regards from the top of Virginia,

Bill

Cool personalized plate Bill, so does that rhyme with orange then ... right?  :evil: :popcorn:
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: sturgeon on December 28, 2016, 09:08:41 AM
So ... Nor J then ? :laugh:

 Dusty

The Nor J was just recommended to become the national bird of the Great White North. I guess that makes Bill an honourary Canuck then, eh?
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: oldbike54 on December 28, 2016, 09:28:43 AM
The Nor J was just recommended to become the national bird of the Great White North. I guess that makes Bill an honourary Canuck then, eh?

  :laugh: Yeah , but don't tell Germany , they already think Bill is one of their's  :shocked: :grin:

 Dusty
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: drums4money on December 28, 2016, 10:41:30 AM
Here is a link to see how any word or words you can think of sound in Italian.  It will automatically say Moto Guzzi Norge if you wait for a couple of seconds.  Then you just erase the text and type in your own and hit say it.

http://tts.imtranslator.net/FIra


Tried it.  Now my ipad is leaking oil. . .
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Late to the party on December 28, 2016, 11:03:19 AM
In Texas, Jorge rides a Nor-hay.

Call it anything you want, except late for dinner.

You, my good sir, owe me some screen cleaner.

Keyboard, too.

Lateness.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: sturgeon on December 28, 2016, 11:04:24 AM
  :laugh: Yeah , but don't tell Germany , they already think Bill is one of their's  :shocked: :grin:

 Dusty

He'd fit right in. I live in a town formerly called Berlin, and home of the second-largest Oktoberfest in the world.  :boozing: :boozing:
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Huzo on December 28, 2016, 01:14:59 PM
Listen to how Valentino Rossi says Jorge, as in Lorenzo.
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Bill Hagan on December 28, 2016, 01:35:28 PM
Listen to how Valentino Rossi says Jorge, as in Lorenzo.

Love Rossi, but "when in Rome, etc.," ... and I ain't.   :wink:

Bilhelm
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Huzo on December 28, 2016, 07:28:18 PM
Love Rossi, but "when in Rome, etc.," ... and I ain't.   :wink:

Bilhelm
I'm taking mine to Nordkapp again next year, I'll ask when I get there @ 71 deg North, you'd reckon they'd know...
Title: Re: How, or how not, to pronounce "Norge" merged threadfest
Post by: Bill Hagan on December 28, 2016, 07:38:33 PM
I'm taking mine to Nordkapp again next year, I'll ask when I get there @ 71 deg North, you'd reckon they'd know...

Yes, interesting and I am curious what they say.

I also envy you your trip and look forward to your trip report.

But, as Virginia won't let me title and tag my Norge in Norway, I care more about its pronunciation in Winchester than in Honningsvåg!

Bill