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Re: 2015 Indian Scout merged threadfest
« Reply #60 on: August 03, 2014, 03:56:00 PM »
List price is less than my '98 EV was new. Big bang for the buck if you into cruisers. First thing to go would be the fenders.

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Re: 2015 Indian Scout merged threadfest
« Reply #61 on: August 03, 2014, 04:20:45 PM »
I think this is a really good looking bike. It appears to be well built and seems to have a high degree of fit and finish. I wish Indian well and welcome them. They are sure to put the heat on H-D to step up their game a little, not that they have been slouching. IMHO, H-D does absolutely nothing for me. I find their bikes to be bland in just about every way. However, a lot of folks support them because they do produce a good high quality product that they want. Now along comes Indian and their good looking, well built, bikes.
I think H-D and Indian are going to be competing very heavily for quite a while and we as the consumers are going to reap the benefits.
I will say this though, I was a little taken back when I realized that they had affixed the name Scout to a huge, almost 1200cc bike. But then I thought about this for a moment and concluded that the displacement wars has raised the level of mid-displacement bikes way up to around 1200cc.
Perhaps Indian will unveil a Junior Scout at around the 750cc range to compete with H-D's new street series. Ah, crap! now I have to retract my earlier statement about H-D doing nothing for me. I forgot about the Street series. Those I kind of dig.
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Re: 2015 Indian Scout merged threadfest
« Reply #62 on: August 03, 2014, 04:50:07 PM »
I do wish Polaris (Victory) well with their new Indian lines of bikes. However, I have yet to see an Indian in the flesh. Are they not selling many of them?

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Re: 2015 Indian Scout merged threadfest
« Reply #63 on: August 03, 2014, 05:19:41 PM »
 Another thing I like is that it doesn't weigh 600 LB's. I never understand why they make cruiser's so heavy. Still over my 500lb limit that I think a new bike should weigh.
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Re: 2015 Indian Scout merged threadfest
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Re: 2015 Indian Scout merged threadfest
« Reply #64 on: August 03, 2014, 06:02:06 PM »
 Watch it on the Wall of Death. at 3:42
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Re: 2015 Indian Scout merged threadfest
« Reply #65 on: August 03, 2014, 06:19:47 PM »



Because they are both higher HP, < 1200cc, OHC (I assume), water-cooled, 60° twins...more in common with a V-Rod then.


Surely you jest. It has little in common with the V-Rod. More to the point, I believe it is safe to say that Polaris is targeting the Sportster, a bike that actually sells in numbers. The Scout is only 1130 cc while the Rod is 1250. The angle of the cylinder comparison is a stretch at best. The V-Rod weighs 100+ pounds more and costs 50% more (approx. $15K). Polaris is not targeting the V-Rod. The Sportster however is comparable in weight and price point. In my opinion, the Indian package is a very real and compelling alternative to the Sporty.

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Re: 2015 Indian Scout merged threadfest
« Reply #66 on: August 03, 2014, 07:13:11 PM »
Surely you jest. It has little in common with the V-Rod. More to the point, I believe it is safe to say that Polaris is targeting the Sportster, a bike that actually sells in numbers. The Scout is only 1130 cc while the Rod is 1250. The angle of the cylinder comparison is a stretch at best. The V-Rod weighs 100+ pounds more and costs 50% more (approx. $15K). Polaris is not targeting the V-Rod. The Sportster however is comparable in weight and price point. In my opinion, the Indian package is a very real and compelling alternative to the Sporty.

Dude, really...look, it's obvious THEY are targeting the Sportster because haven't the literally stated that in the press release.

But as a four time Sportster owner I'm telling you that the cubic centimeter similarity is FAR less important than the cooling system, plus power-to-weight ratio, plus valve train, plus basic ergos/frame geometry.

Don't get me wrong, in the BIG picture there's no reason the Harley Street shouldn't eventually take over the position of the Sportster, and when that happens when should see more performance out of it..closer to this.

Bit till that happens the VRod is closer mechanically/technically (and customer base) than the Sportster is (which is closer in size, and price range).

That said, I see your comparison, I just think they're stretching it.
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Re: 2015 Indian Scout merged threadfest
« Reply #67 on: August 03, 2014, 07:19:52 PM »
Dude, really...look, it's obvious THEY are targeting the Sportster because haven't the literally stated that in the press release.

But as a four time Sportster owner I'm telling you that the cubic centimeter similarity is FAR less important than the cooling system, plus power-to-weight ratio, plus valve train, plus basic ergos/frame geometry.

Don't get me wrong, in the BIG picture there's no reason the Harley Street shouldn't eventually take over the position of the Sportster, and when that happens when should see more performance out of it..closer to this.

Bit till that happens the VRod is closer mechanically/technically (and customer base) than the Sportster is (which is closer in size, and price range).

That said, I see your comparison, I just think they're stretching it.

I popped over to the XLforum thread on the subject and instantly was hit with another unstated point..the motor design.

On the xl forum the guys are making fun of the rpm point for peak torque.

The motor design is closer to the vrod and Street, and as such the FEEL, the torque point, the performance is completely different from a Sportster.
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Re: 2015 Indian Scout merged threadfest
« Reply #68 on: August 03, 2014, 09:06:56 PM »
At first glance I thought it was hideous, but hideous has grown on me and now I think it's a well-thought out design.  Except for the twin mufflers.

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Re: 2015 Indian Scout merged threadfest
« Reply #69 on: August 03, 2014, 09:24:24 PM »
so it's a new motor too?  it certainly is not as elegant looking as the 111..
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Re: 2015 Indian Scout merged threadfest
« Reply #70 on: August 03, 2014, 09:32:22 PM »
so it's a new motor too?  it certainly is not as elegant looking as the 111..

Yup, the emphasis here is on function.
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Re: 2015 Indian Scout merged threadfest
« Reply #71 on: August 03, 2014, 09:36:52 PM »
I do wish Polaris (Victory) well with their new Indian lines of bikes. However, I have yet to see an Indian in the flesh. Are they not selling many of them?

I stopped by the local Indian dealer a couple of weeks ago, and I think they are selling all they can get--which still isn't many. Up close they look very nice; the fit and finish is excellent. The "Classic" (the one with the least amount of leather fringe) is the best looking one.
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Re: 2015 Indian Scout merged threadfest
« Reply #72 on: August 03, 2014, 09:44:37 PM »
I stopped by the local Indian dealer a couple of weeks ago, and I think they are selling all they can get--which still isn't many. Up close they look very nice; the fit and finish is excellent. The "Classic" (the one with the least amount of leather fringe) is the best looking one.

The fringe, I hear, is attached by Velcro and removable.
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Re: 2015 Indian Scout merged threadfest
« Reply #73 on: August 03, 2014, 10:29:35 PM »
The fringe, I hear, is attached by Velcro and removable.

I wonder if there'll be a velcro attached faux kick starter in the future.
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Re: 2015 Indian Scout merged threadfest
« Reply #74 on: August 03, 2014, 11:35:25 PM »
I think this screen shot from the video shows it is surprisingly like the original Indian scout in its profile:



Notice the foot-forward postion is the same on both bikes, the fenders are somewhat subdued copies of the profiles of the originals, and the mystery of the rake of the rear shock is explained as a way to mimic the rigid frame of the original. The headlights are similar too.

Looking at the new bike from other angles makes it seem quite squared off and different from the older one.
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Re: 2015 Indian Scout merged threadfest
« Reply #75 on: August 04, 2014, 04:05:45 AM »
I prefer this one.


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Re: 2015 Indian Scout merged threadfest
« Reply #76 on: August 04, 2014, 04:22:32 AM »
I wonder if there'll be a velcro attached faux kick starter in the future.

Hardly the same thing. There's nothing disingenuous about a removable styling feature like fringe. Certainly that's not the bike pretending to be something it is not.
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Re: 2015 Indian Scout merged threadfest
« Reply #77 on: August 04, 2014, 05:34:31 AM »
I think this screen shot from the video shows it is surprisingly like the original Indian scout in its profile:



Notice the foot-forward postion is the same on both bikes, the fenders are somewhat subdued copies of the profiles of the originals, and the mystery of the rake of the rear shock is explained as a way to mimic the rigid frame of the original. The headlights are similar too.

Looking at the new bike from other angles makes it seem quite squared off and different from the older one.


I like the overall look of the Scout, although there are many things with it that, to me, just don't look right.  When I see these two photos, I see all of the dissimilarities between the two bikes.  The original looks so much better.  I think at their MSRP they will be selling all that they can make.
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Re: 2015 Indian Scout merged threadfest
« Reply #78 on: August 04, 2014, 08:12:15 AM »
What gives the old Scout that 'retro' look is the angle of the rider's arms--elbows low and closer to the body than the modern motorcycle. Like a bus driver.
As old school cool as that looks, it would be a hassle to handle the bike in day to day riding.
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Re: 2015 Indian Scout merged threadfest
« Reply #79 on: August 04, 2014, 09:12:13 AM »
Mid sized; I'd expect something in the 750-800cc range.

100hp? Bloody hell that is a lot of ponies for a "mid sized" cruiser!

I was hoping for a mid sized inline 4. For a Scout (and my sense of history with Indian is very weak so I' probably off the mark) I really would have expected a nice 500-750cc range air cooled twin. Or oil cooled. With the seat on a pedestal, perhaps sprung a bit, and light. Around and preferably under 400lbs.

Now we wait for the other shoe to drop, how she handles, rides and delivers hp to the road.
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Re: 2015 Indian Scout merged threadfest
« Reply #80 on: August 04, 2014, 09:15:48 AM »
What gives the old Scout that 'retro' look is the angle of the rider's arms--elbows low and closer to the body than the modern motorcycle. Like a bus driver.
As old school cool as that looks, it would be a hassle to handle the bike in day to day riding.

Actually that position reminds me a bit of how I felt on the W650, but it was certainly not a hassle and handled wonderfully. <shrugs>
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Re: 2015 Indian Scout merged threadfest
« Reply #81 on: August 04, 2014, 10:40:17 AM »
Changing handlebars to improve riding position has got to be one of the least expensive mods you can make.
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Re: 2015 Indian Scout merged threadfest
« Reply #82 on: August 04, 2014, 11:03:31 AM »
That thing is butt ugly compared to the original.
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Re: 2015 Indian Scout merged threadfest
« Reply #83 on: August 04, 2014, 11:13:51 AM »
Just about all new things are but ugly. For the most part style left manufacturing in 1972

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Re: 2015 Indian Scout merged threadfest
« Reply #84 on: August 04, 2014, 11:23:00 AM »
"I wonder if there'll be a velcro attached faux kick starter in the future."

Hardly the same thing. There's nothing disingenuous about a removable styling feature like fringe. Certainly that's not the bike pretending to be something it is not.

Nope, you're right Kev... it doesn't smack of the disingenuousness of a fake starter.

I should have found a more direct comparison to a whore's fake eye lashes. ~;
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Re: 2015 Indian Scout merged threadfest
« Reply #85 on: August 04, 2014, 11:31:52 AM »
I dig the new Scout....a 4.3 gallon tank would have been nice for those that like to ride past some gas stations.
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Re: 2015 Indian Scout merged threadfest
« Reply #86 on: August 04, 2014, 02:24:14 PM »
"I wonder if there'll be a velcro attached faux kick starter in the future."

Nope, you're right Kev... it doesn't smack of the disingenuousness of a fake starter.

I should have found a more direct comparison to a whore's fake eye lashes. ~;

:D and to that I would have agreed :D
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Re: 2015 Indian Scout merged threadfest
« Reply #88 on: August 05, 2014, 05:19:55 AM »
Good article.  Again, the business-end of the Scout is more comparable to the V Rod than the Sportster.  The styling cues are different, though.

You really can't fairly compare the performance of a liquid-cooled, 4-valve, 60 degree twin to that of an air-cooled, pushrod, 2-valve, 45 degree twin.

I like the Scout but it scratches a different itch than does the Sportster (which I've never owned).
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Re: 2015 Indian Scout merged threadfest
« Reply #89 on: August 05, 2014, 06:20:33 AM »
Good article.  Again, the business-end of the Scout is more comparable to the V Rod than the Sportster.  The styling cues are different, though.

You really can't fairly compare the performance of a liquid-cooled, 4-valve, 60 degree twin to that of an air-cooled, pushrod, 2-valve, 90 degree twin.

I like the Scout but it scratches a different itch than does the Sportster (which I've never owned).

Leaf, I dunno.  I gotta say, I used to think of all Harley's (including Sportsters) as overweight, terribly braked vehicles but that was prior to me riding one.  I literally could hardly believe how much more performance (I'm talking roll on here and acceleration - not handling/suspension) my friend's 1200 Sportster has than my Stone.  Taking nothing away from the Stone, of course.  Just saying maybe you can compare them to a 100 horsepower bike.  Mags - whatever you think of them - have been comparing Geese to water cooled cruisers for years.  Kev M would certainly have more authority on this issue than my 50 miles or so on my bud's Sportster.  Not trying to be argumentative.  Just saying.  Btw, why can't we get an emoticon for Just Saying?   ;D

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