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2002 Moto Guzzi Scura, the good, the bad and the ugly
« on: May 10, 2017, 06:53:15 PM »
  There is a 2002 Moto Guzzi Scura for sale near me. I have always had a soft spot for sporty spine frames. This one is pretty much stock, with the the special suspension bits. Stock but it does have some carbon fibre mufflers, M4s I think.

   What is there to look for on these bikes? This one has about 20K on the odometer. under $7000.
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Re: 2002 Moto Guzzi Scura, the good, the bad and the ugly
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2017, 07:02:17 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2017, 07:07:43 PM »
Single plate clutch flywheel is fracture prone, sometimes with catastrophic consequences. As supplied Ohlins suspension, especially the forks, are woefully and dangerously under-sprung.

Go visit V11lemans.com and read up.

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Re: 2002 Moto Guzzi Scura, the good, the bad and the ugly
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2017, 07:09:05 PM »
That stuff CAN be fixed...a small price IMHO for such a gorgeous bike!

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Re: 2002 Moto Guzzi Scura, the good, the bad and the ugly
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2017, 07:14:20 PM »
I had one, I guess the clutch was done before I had it <shrug> it's been sold 2X and still running like a banshee. The guy that has it now is really happy with it. It was #599. It was fun for a few years.
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Re: 2002 Moto Guzzi Scura, the good, the bad and the ugly
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2017, 07:27:05 PM »
Good, bad, and ugly?
About everything.
Single plate clutch.
Nothing.
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It's one of my "wind up" bikes.
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Re: 2002 Moto Guzzi Scura, the good, the bad and the ugly
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2017, 07:40:06 PM »
  There is a 2002 Moto Guzzi Scura for sale near me. I have always had a soft spot for sporty spine frames. This one is pretty much stock, with the the special suspension bits. Stock but it does have some carbon fibre mufflers, M4s I think.

   What is there to look for on these bikes? This one has about 20K on the odometer. under $7000.

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Re: 2002 Moto Guzzi Scura, the good, the bad and the ugly
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2017, 07:55:09 PM »
Just outside of Philly.

So, with 20,000 miles on the clock, the clutch may have already have self destructed, and been replaced?
 

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Re: 2002 Moto Guzzi Scura, the good, the bad and the ugly
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2017, 08:03:48 PM »
Just outside of Philly.

So, with 20,000 miles on the clock, the clutch may have already have self destructed, and been replaced?

Possibly, but maybe not. Take a peek up her skirt  :cool: :smiley: through the timing plug. It's easy enough to see.
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Re: 2002 Moto Guzzi Scura, the good, the bad and the ugly
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2017, 08:36:03 PM »
Chuck,

  That's a great idea. And I should see a double disc if it's been replaced, right?

   If it hasn't been replaced yet, could the single disc last 20,000 miles.
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Re: 2002 Moto Guzzi Scura, the good, the bad and the ugly
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2017, 08:43:10 PM »
Yes it could, my friend used up 2 in 70k




Not sure you can tell thru the timing hole tho.
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Re: 2002 Moto Guzzi Scura, the good, the bad and the ugly
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2017, 07:08:04 AM »
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Not sure you can tell thru the timing hole tho.

Somewhere on here, there is a couple of pictures showing the difference.
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Re: 2002 Moto Guzzi Scura, the good, the bad and the ugly
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2017, 08:05:54 AM »
I logged over 20k miles on my Scura with no clutch problems.  Yes, I've seen the horror pics of the exploding flywheel but I also know of several other single-plate Guzzi bikes still going strong.

The aluminum flywheel and single-plate clutch was the best feature of the Scura for me. That was the best revving and best shifting motorcycle I've ever owned, including the newer Guzzis. It had such an easy clutch pull and great take-up.

If I obtained another Scura (sometimes I think about it), at most, I'd pull it apart to check things and see what I could do to reinforce the stock clutch configuration.

There are several threads about V11's and the Scura.  You may do a search for more info.

Other items to check - the shifter spring, the peeling engine paint, the too-soft Ohlins suspension.

Guzzi= necessity of sorting out and fixing problems

7000 is not a cheap price for one of those nowadays.
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Re: 2002 Moto Guzzi Scura, the good, the bad and the ugly
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2017, 08:50:42 AM »
All you'd ever want to know about V11s here:
http://www.v11lemans.com/forums/index.php?act=idx

If you *do* want to go with the single plate, it's possible with a Ram and your single plate input hub. Don't throw that away if you bin the single plate and go with the dual plate.. someone will want it.
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Re: 2002 Moto Guzzi Scura, the good, the bad and the ugly
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2017, 08:58:12 AM »
Mine is pretty well sorted.  Here's what I've done:

1. Had my suspension guy ride the bike and adjust the Ohlins.  Scura's are no longer sport bikes so a stiff suspension is not a requirement.  You can adjust the stock to "sport touring" without much effort.

2. Replaced the clutch with the Ram single plate package from MG Cycle.  It keeps the snick snick shifting and rev happy motor.  I didn't need to do this.  But I'll likely never sell the bike and had the opportunity.

3. Had my detail shop rub out all the paint work.  I did not want to repaint, but the stock paint was old.  A good clay bar and it looks like new.

4. Bought some Tekno bags for touring.  I've ridden it from Missouri to my home in Arizona.  And to many rallies. 

When I bought my Scura I had a Griso 8V in the garage.  After a "garage shootout" I sold the 8V and kept the Scura.  I call my Scura "The last of the hot rod Guzzi's."  IMHO it was the very best of the V11's.  Attached is a pic.

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Re: 2002 Moto Guzzi Scura, the good, the bad and the ugly
« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2017, 09:30:44 AM »
Nice pic Mike!
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Re: 2002 Moto Guzzi Scura, the good, the bad and the ugly
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2017, 09:56:53 AM »
This thread here shows some photos on how to spot the dual vs single clutch.

http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=47717.0;nowap

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Re: 2002 Moto Guzzi Scura, the good, the bad and the ugly
« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2017, 11:17:03 AM »
This thread here shows some photos on how to spot the dual vs single clutch.

http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=47717.0;nowap
thats deceiving because the single plate clutch in the EV is not the same as what's in a Scurra.
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Re: 2002 Moto Guzzi Scura, the good, the bad and the ugly
« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2017, 11:37:55 AM »



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Thanks for the details upon what to look for in a Scura. Bike condition looks great in pics, and I plan to see it this weekend.

Owner said he serviced the Ohlins last year.  He also is aware of potential clutch issue, as his Centauro clutch ( single plate) destroyed itself at around 10,000 miles. This Scura has the original clutch at 20,000 miles, and according the owner, is " working fine".

  Asking price is $6750. Sounds a little high, but then, these rarely come up for sale around here.
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Re: 2002 Moto Guzzi Scura, the good, the bad and the ugly
« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2017, 11:38:16 AM »
Did not know that. Sorry.
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Re: 2002 Moto Guzzi Scura, the good, the bad and the ugly
« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2017, 12:06:35 PM »
Sent you a PM Sdcr...you'll enjoy the Scura...it's a beauty of a bike!
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Re: 2002 Moto Guzzi Scura, the good, the bad and the ugly
« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2017, 03:06:38 PM »
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as his Centauro clutch ( single plate) destroyed itself at around 10,000 miles

<scratching head>

As far as I know, the Centauro had the dual plate clutch.
As far as the price goes.. it is worth what someone is willing to pay, but it is quite high, IMHO, especially with the single plate clutch.
The V11S is the last of the *real* Guzzis though.. :) and the Scura is certainly a fine example.
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Re: 2002 Moto Guzzi Scura, the good, the bad and the ugly
« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2017, 03:41:05 PM »
Chuck,
 Yeah, this was the first I heard that Centauro is/was a single plate.

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Re: 2002 Moto Guzzi Scura, the good, the bad and the ugly
« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2017, 04:10:46 PM »
<scratching head>

As far as I know, the Centauro had the dual plate clutch.
As far as the price goes.. it is worth what someone is willing to pay, but it is quite high, IMHO, especially with the single plate clutch.
The V11S is the last of the *real* Guzzis though.. :) and the Scura is certainly a fine example.

I guess someone could have retro-fitted a RAM single plate but the 8V motor bikes, Centauro/Daytona, came with a 2-plate clutch from the factory.

The 2-plate clutch (old and late models) have problems too occasionally.  You just don't see swarms of internet pics about them.  Perhaps his 2-plate clutch went bad. I've experienced that too.

 

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« Reply #24 on: May 11, 2017, 05:40:39 PM »
Nobody is suggesting that the twin plate clutch *Never* fails. The problem with the single plater is the flywheel part and the reason why it of such great concern is that it's disintegration can be catastrophic and very dangerous.

When the twin plate units fail it is generally the centres ripping out of the plates or the friction material delaminating from their backing. While annoying this generally results in the bike just failing to proceed.

With the single plate flywheel the tendency is for the wheel to shatter. There is a lot of energy tied up in a spinning flywheel and the point at which it is most likely to shatter is when it is most stresses which is when it is spinning fast!

Obviously it's all a matter of personal choice but the FIRST thing I did when I bought the bike that is now Chuck's is replace the single plater. The last thing I wanted was to be blasting across west Texas and suddenly have the flywheel come apart a few inches away from my wedding tackle!

To be honest I always felt the benefits of RAM units, even when fibre plates were still available, were over rated. I found using an Ergal flywheel with a lightened ring gear or simply the stock later steel wheel and a similarly lightened ring gear offered performance indistinguishable, (To me.) from the single plater.

Nowadays I believe you can only get the RAM units with a sintered bronze plate which has a lifespan of only hundreds of miles! I sure as eggs are eggs wouldn't be wanting to pull the gearbox every couple of thousand miles or clutch engagements!

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Re: 2002 Moto Guzzi Scura, the good, the bad and the ugly
« Reply #25 on: May 11, 2017, 08:43:26 PM »
I agree that the price seems on the high side.

Here's a thread with some current information about the RAM clutch. http://www.v11lemans.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=19510

You should definitely factor the cost of a flywheel and clutch replacement into what you are willing to pay for the bike - for all the aforementioned reasons.

So... lots of GOOD about the Scura.

The clutch is the big BAD.

The engine paint is the UGLY. But that's the same as all the 2002 V11s.

I love my Scura. Documented my obsession, trials, and triumphs here:  http://www.v11lemans.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=18805&hl=  and this is what she looks like now:


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Re: 2002 Moto Guzzi Scura, the good, the bad and the ugly
« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2017, 09:23:04 AM »
The last Scura on Ebay sold for around $7,000.  It was nice.  IMHO Scuras are the cream of the crop for V11's. 
I did spend some time getting mine right, but worth the effort.

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« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2017, 09:31:22 AM »
Nice pic Mike!

Thank you! 

I took the pic in front of a graffiti wall because I thought it reflected the Scura's "Bad Boy" "Streetfighter" nature.

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Re: 2002 Moto Guzzi Scura, the good, the bad and the ugly
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I miss mine....


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Re: 2002 Moto Guzzi Scura, the good, the bad and the ugly
« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2017, 10:25:42 AM »
The last Scura on Ebay sold for around $7,000.  It was nice.  IMHO Scuras are the cream of the crop for V11's. 
I did spend some time getting mine right, but worth the effort.

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As far as I know, the Centauro had the dual plate clutch.
As far as the price goes.. it is worth what someone is willing to pay, but it is quite high, IMHO, especially with the single plate clutch.
The V11S is the last of the *real* Guzzis though.. :) and the Scura is certainly a fine example.


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