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Re: Wishful thinking
« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2018, 08:04:20 AM »
I have no bikes made in this century, I never owned a bike newer than 8 years old...I see here that some buy a new bike almost every year...Either way works I suppose..

Actually, both ways are required for it to work.  If no one was buying new, there wouldn't be 8 year old bikes for you to buy because the motorcycle industry would collapse.  If there was no one buying used, the used market would collapse and those that buy new wouldn't have a buyer for their bike or trade in value so the industry would collapse. 

I prefer to ride than tinker so I like new.  Just in the last 12 years I have ridden 300,000 miles.  Before then I was the 5000 mile a year guy, and now because of the back injury I will probably be a 5000 mile a year guy until I am done riding.  The oldest I have ever bought was 10 years old, but typically I buy new or a couple years old if there have been no changes and it is the 'color' I want. 
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Re: Wishful thinking
« Reply #31 on: November 18, 2018, 08:39:43 AM »
Hmmm.
When I got my V7 Stone new on 15 March 2013 from the first ride on I felt nearly the same as about 50 years ago when I got my (then already old) Zündapp Super Combinette moped. And this feeling is still there, regardless how often I ride this thing. But well - I bought it because basically it is an old construction amended with things that allowed its survival in the market today. And nothing more.

And each thing I add to the bike (small windshield, luggage rack, much better tyres than the original Pirelli, Mupo fork kit, and so on) enhances the joy. So, yes, in my opinion such bikes are available today (I have ridden the V7 III - nice!).
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Re: Wishful thinking
« Reply #32 on: November 18, 2018, 09:09:26 AM »
Ok, new-ish Moto Guzzi guy here.   So you are telling me there are Guzzi motorcycles that are more fun to ride than my Griso and V7 iii Racer?? :grin:  I take the Racer out if I'm in a bit more relaxed frame of mind, the Griso if more in fast romp frame of mind. 

What's a good "newest of the old" that would you guys would suggest?   I think I need disc brakes.  Carbs are fine.  I love the looks of the green & black 1000S, beautiful!   But I would need to stay in the $5K-$8K range, and it seems any decent green/black 1000S is way over that.    Not sure what's a good model.

If you want a raw give you a grin every time you fire it up bike.. Carb Sport, (if there are any left after a certain member here has been hoarding Sports.)  :smiley:
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Re: Wishful thinking
« Reply #33 on: November 18, 2018, 09:20:33 AM »
I ride my CX almost every day to work. Yesterday I rode the Daytona and it's like night an day, today I will ride the Norge which I enjoy in it's relaxed sit up position. Honestly, I'm with Pete on this old vs. new; while I enjoy the old bikes, they feel old and problematic even when there is nothing wrong with them.
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Re: Wishful thinking
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Re: Wishful thinking
« Reply #34 on: November 18, 2018, 12:16:38 PM »
Enjoy old and new. But there is defiantly a grin factor in the rawness of an old carbed bike.

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Re: Wishful thinking
« Reply #35 on: November 18, 2018, 09:04:57 PM »
Some Guzzi sound bites. I like the SP best....but then I would.   :wink:

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Re: Wishful thinking
« Reply #36 on: November 18, 2018, 10:06:52 PM »
 :bow:   Griso    :thumb:
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Re: Wishful thinking
« Reply #37 on: November 19, 2018, 06:25:58 AM »
29 years of experience with the CX100. My confidence level would be hard to replace with anything Guzzi offers now.
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Re: Wishful thinking
« Reply #38 on: November 21, 2018, 10:59:05 AM »
So I found a green frame large valve 1000S ... asking price, $25,000  :shocked: :huh:  (need emoji for are you crazy!??!)
Guess I'll just have to be happy with my Racer & Griso.   :laugh:



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Re: Wishful thinking
« Reply #39 on: November 21, 2018, 12:07:05 PM »
Shorty,

I understand.

My 'New' Guzzi is a 96 Sport 1100. Keep thinking I need to sell it (I've only put 20K Miles on it in the 16yrs I've owned it) but then take it for a ride and the torque & noise make keep it. Kinda like a dysfunctional relationship but the sex is really good.

The bike I ride most of the time is a '99 Honda NX650 - it's a more street oriented dual sport than it's cousin the XR650L.  I am at a point with a commuter/run about that I really like 'Light' and 'torque'. When the NX wears out....if it ever does....I'll probably go for a Suzuki Vstrom 650.

The newer Guzzi's leave me a bit flat. They aren't as user friendly as the older ones were as far as repair, and the dealer network is...well....what dealer network...

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Re: Wishful thinking
« Reply #40 on: November 21, 2018, 03:39:32 PM »


The newer Guzzi's leave me a bit flat. They aren't as user friendly as the older ones were as far as repair

What makes the V7III less user friendly to repair, besides the fact that you don't have to repair them?
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Re: Wishful thinking
« Reply #41 on: November 21, 2018, 03:53:07 PM »
What makes the V7III less user friendly to repair, besides the fact that you don't have to repair them?

Yes.......explain this to us FURBO.  :grin:

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Re: Wishful thinking
« Reply #42 on: November 23, 2018, 08:42:28 AM »
So I found a green frame large valve 1000S ... asking price, $25,000  :shocked: :huh:  (need emoji for are you crazy!??!)
Guess I'll just have to be happy with my Racer & Griso.   :laugh:





About 5-6 years ago, I looked at an "all original" green / black big valve 1000S just like this one, in North Carolina, and the guy wanted $15K for it, and after inspecting it up close... it was not that nice...so I passed. :shocked: :huh: :rolleyes: 

$25K for these models is just "silly money", IMHO, but that is what the market bears these days, I guess... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Re: Wishful thinking
« Reply #43 on: November 23, 2018, 08:52:38 AM »
I really like the Griso, rode one at the Wisconsin Rally with the Rosefarm guys when the 8v first came out and had a blast on it.

Only one reason I didn't buy one


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Re: Wishful thinking
« Reply #44 on: November 23, 2018, 09:29:27 AM »
We have a pretty good spread of old and new Guzzi's. I like them all. They are all different in their delivery of fun.

Having said that, the Stelvio IMO, is the best bike Guzzi has ever made. Not a single bike in the garage does so many things so well as the Stelvio.
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Re: Wishful thinking
« Reply #45 on: November 24, 2018, 10:07:09 AM »
Yes.......explain this to us FURBO.  :grin:



As I understand from reading here - yes the new bikes don't have many of the niggling vices that we dealt with prior, but when something needs fixing - it requires dealer input instead of a trip to Napa. Guzzi parts distribution has never been 'Walmart Efficient' but dealers are getting thin on ground - so.

I generally enjoy doing my own work but the additional complexity of the modern bikes restricts what I'm able to do somewhat. For my Asian iron, parts availability is such that I'm ok with the trade off.

Additionally, while the V7's are very pretty, the engine is dated and underpowered compared to the competition. IMO it reached it's zenith in the NTX 750's of the mid 90's....which were also the midsized Stelvio many folks seem to desire. The current Clubman racer makes less HP than the older machine. https://www.moto.it/moto-usate/moto-guzzi/ntx-750/ntx-750/7469320


So, like I said, they leave ME flat - hope they sell thousands of'em tho.
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Re: Wishful thinking
« Reply #46 on: November 24, 2018, 11:20:05 AM »
As I understand from reading here - yes the new bikes don't have many of the niggling vices that we dealt with prior, but when something needs fixing - it requires dealer input instead of a trip to Napa. Guzzi parts distribution has never been 'Walmart Efficient' but dealers are getting thin on ground - so.

I generally enjoy doing my own work but the additional complexity of the modern bikes restricts what I'm able to do somewhat. For my Asian iron, parts availability is such that I'm ok with the trade off.

Additionally, while the V7's are very pretty, the engine is dated and underpowered compared to the competition. IMO it reached it's zenith in the NTX 750's of the mid 90's....which were also the midsized Stelvio many folks seem to desire. The current Clubman racer makes less HP than the older machine. https://www.moto.it/moto-usate/moto-guzzi/ntx-750/ntx-750/7469320


So, like I said, they leave ME flat - hope they sell thousands of'em tho.

I don't know anyone else that makes a mid size mostly metal bike with a shaft drive, air cooled, with easy access to valve adjustments.  I have owned 160 HP and 110 Ft-lbs torque motorcycles and I don't feel like the V7III is underpowered at all.  If fact, those other bikes were overpowered because I could only harness the power in 3 second spurts that still put me into highly illegal speeds. 
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Re: Wishful thinking
« Reply #47 on: November 24, 2018, 11:46:12 AM »
I don't know anyone else that makes a mid size mostly metal bike with a shaft drive, air cooled, with easy access to valve adjustments.  I have owned 160 HP and 110 Ft-lbs torque motorcycles and I don't feel like the V7III is underpowered at all.  If fact, those other bikes were overpowered because I could only harness the power in 3 second spurts that still put me into highly illegal speeds.

Then enjoy it by all means. As I said, it's MY opinion, worth nothing even on Black Friday.

That said, the Sport 1100 made almost double the HP tho with a 70lb weight increase. The honda XR650L (no shaft drive - ok) makes 3 less HP and is 80lbs lighter. With AC and easy to do valves.
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Re: Wishful thinking
« Reply #48 on: November 24, 2018, 11:50:34 AM »
Then enjoy it by all means. As I said, it's MY opinion, worth nothing even on Black Friday.

That said, the Sport 1100 made almost double the HP tho with a 70lb weight increase. The honda XR650L (no shaft drive - ok) makes 3 less HP and is 80lbs lighter. With AC and easy to do valves.

IMO HP is just a number.  If that is what drives your decisions, then so be it.  I look for the entire package when looking at bikes.  I don't need to be in a conversation with someone where all they care about is how much HP or how fast will it go.  Neither of those are why I ride. 

On the roads I enjoy with the V7 you are not going to be any faster on any of the bikes you describe without risking life or liberty. 
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Re: Wishful thinking
« Reply #49 on: November 24, 2018, 04:02:42 PM »
IMO HP is just a number.  If that is what drives your decisions, then so be it.  I look for the entire package when looking at bikes.  I don't need to be in a conversation with someone where all they care about is how much HP or how fast will it go.  Neither of those are why I ride. 

On the roads I enjoy with the V7 you are not going to be any faster on any of the bikes you describe without risking life or liberty.

You dig your V7 - cool, then enjoy it by all means. As I said, it's MY opinion, worth nothing even on Black Friday...or freezing rain Saturday as it is currently in Central PA.

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