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So the five people I personally know who had a filter failure are all imagining being stranded ? Interesting . Dusty
Nope, no one is saying that.If you know their data (model, mileage, etc) add it to the poll. The more data the better right?
As they all frequent the Bigfoot and Alien threads, this is highly likely.
Only one is a member here , I cast a wide net . Here is a theory that I have zero evidence to support beyond "it is what it is " We have ready access to non-ethanol fuel here , and all of these guys were fairly diligent in running it . The three SB's were actual physical rescue jobs , all three on their way back from Arkansas where ethanol mix is about all you can find . All three failures occurred on really hot days after the bikes had been left sitting in the Sun while the riders took breaks . None of the bikes were together , but the conditions were all similar . The first two were before we had hashed all of this out on WG , so we assumed it was a fuel line failure , the third happened after we knew what was occurring . The other two bikes were sorted based on me telling the riders over the phone what the problem was , they sorted the bikes on the road , but memory says the conditions were similar . Heat , combined with filters accustomed to straight gasoline now exposed to ethanol , all failed . Anyway , you can take what you like from this , but there you have it , five failures . Dusty
It would also be helpful to know where the filters failed--was it the barbs (maybe bad crimping) or the metal/plastic joint (mfg defect) or somewhere else (material failure)?Rich A
First, as I said many times, I replaced the filter in my 07' Norge as a preemptive measure. The body was swollen and it is not supposed to be. I made the decision to deal with it. Jan's 04' Nevada actually failed when we had left the New York rally. These are both my personal encounters with this issue, although I know of a few others. Yes Kev, only a few, not a bucket load. But still. As I said in the other thread, back when this began to get noticed, someone who was a member on this board did some research and discovered these were never intended to be fully immersed. That was per the maker of the filter. There was speculation, at the time, that they might reformulate the plastic in order to make it submersible. Evidently, that has never happened. Much like we need the proper fuel line and clamps. Plain old fuel line vs. fuel injection line vs. submersible line.As an aside, I took some time this morning and looked at several owners manuals on the Cadre' Cycle website, only to discover that none of the manuals I looked at called for a filter replacement on the maint. schedule. I looked at a Cal Vintage, Stelvio, Breva 1100, Nevada, and V7III, yet no thinking individual would consider said filter to last forever, right? If we subscribe to your argument, this is a non issue because you tested one filter. You of all people know full well that testing one of anything to postulate a conclusion is flawed simply by numbers. I didn't bother to reference the service manuals.The plastic piece looks something like a top hat, with the lip and an O ring crimped into the metal portion. If the top hat can flex around the main part of its body, does it not stand to reason that due to lack of rigidity, enough flex might occur to allow the lip to pop out of the crimp? I'm sorry but you are not presenting an alternate point of view. You're simply being a contrarian about this subject. I have maintained that it is cheaper, easier, and much less aggravating, if you just deal with it. I have been on the side of the road on a Sunday morning far from home with Jan when hers failed. What do you plan to do if you're all alone without tools and the proper supplies to fix it along the road. Are you going to abandon your bike? Hitch hike to a parts store? Are you going to buy a fuel can so you can dump out the gas so you can actually ride off once you get it fixed? Are you going to call a wrecker? None of these scenarios will be cheaper, easier, or less aggravating than what I propose. You're acting offended that you replaced them on your bike. So offended in fact that you replaced a second one on a second bike, so it sounds as if you have no desire to be stuck along the side of the road any more than anyone else. You're arguing about 20 bucks and maybe a couple hours of time.Guzzi771 posted on both of these threads that he has a failure at 900 miles. That is the soonest I have ever heard of. There is obviously no rhyme or reason to why or when you might expect trouble. I had the external filter plug up on my EV. It was running fine as far as I knew until the next time I went to start the bike. Luckily that was at home preparing to leave for a rally. I left the EV, loaded all the gear into Jan's Forrester, and rode the LeMans instead. The point is, it is fine until it is not and there is no a good way to determine if or when you might have trouble. So, I choose to just deal with it. Guzzi is banking on it lasting the duration of the warranty period, so it is a non issue as far as they are concerned. It is a cheap, simple thing. Why risk the possibility of being stranded even if the odds are in your favor to ignore it? To me, this is a no brainer. Deal with it or play Russian Roulette. You might never have that cartridge in the chamber line up with the barrel, until it does. Like I said, I have maintained that it is cheaper, easier, and much less aggravating, if you just deal with it, and if anybody here is worried about 20 bucks and some time, maybe motorcycling is too expensive for them. There are things you cannot control and things you can. Everyone here has the option to decide for themselves. Eyes wide open and all that...John Henry
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