Wildgoose Chase Moto Guzzi

General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kevin M on June 06, 2015, 11:03:46 PM

Title: Rear Wheel Tire Change Question
Post by: Kevin M on June 06, 2015, 11:03:46 PM
While on the road (or in your garage with no lift), if you are changing your rear tire, how do you jack your bike up? The center stand is not tall enough to allow the tire to come out from under the fender. I'm interested in other techniques.

Thanks,
Kevin
Title: Re: Rear Wheel Tire Change Question
Post by: atavar on June 06, 2015, 11:08:41 PM
If absolutely necessary lay it down on something soft.
Title: Re: Rear Wheel Tire Change Question
Post by: Bisbonian on June 06, 2015, 11:43:42 PM
Put a piece of 2x4 under the feet of the center stand?

If you do this, use a strap to keep the stand locked in so the bike does not roll off forward.
Title: Re: Rear Wheel Tire Change Question
Post by: jacksonracingcomau on June 07, 2015, 12:28:43 AM
Wood in yer shed
On the road
On pavement hanging off the curb
translated
on sidewalk hanging of the kerb

Or lay it over if no curb
Title: Re: Rear Wheel Tire Change Question
Post by: earemike on June 07, 2015, 01:38:10 AM
If you let all the air out of the rear (& some out the front) you might get there.

People here suggested a plank which worked great when I first tried it.

I figure if you're on the road you've got bigger problems & if someone can bring a tyre they can bring a plank too!
Title: Re: Rear Wheel Tire Change Question
Post by: centauro on June 07, 2015, 06:57:09 AM
If you have a Tonti type Guzzi, you can also remove the 2 bolts that hold the rear fender at the rear end of the frame and raise the fender above the frame a couple of inches. You can temporarily prop it up with something soft to prevent damage to the fender under stress.
I have done this with my 1984 SP and gained plenty of room to remove the wheel.

Title: Re: Rear Wheel Tire Change Question
Post by: Wayne Orwig on June 07, 2015, 08:16:40 AM
When at home I use my lift. Along the road I just lay the bike over on the side.

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Title: Re: Rear Wheel Tire Change Question
Post by: Triple Jim on June 07, 2015, 04:57:35 PM
My Guzzi manual says to get everything ready and then lean the bike to the right while still on the center stand.  It's probably safest to have someone help you do that, so you can get it far enough over and maneuver the wheel out safely, but I think I could do it myself if I had to.  It's worked fine both times I've had the rear wheel out, and my wife was able to do a good job as the assistant.
Title: Re: Rear Wheel Tire Change Question
Post by: Lannis on June 07, 2015, 05:09:40 PM
Put a piece of 2x4 under the feet of the center stand?

If you do this, use a strap to keep the stand locked in so the bike does not roll off forward.

That's a tough job by yourself.   You can't put the bike on the stand with the feet already on the 2x4, it's too heavy.   And it's risky trying to "rock" the bike up onto the wood ....

Thank goodness for the Stelvio!   Up on the stand, four lug bolts, two caliper bolts, and the wheel drops off and rolls out from under the fender with no drama ..... I'm sort of spoiled now for those bikes you have to lay down or pick way up ...

Lannis
Title: Re: Rear Wheel Tire Change Question
Post by: Triple Jim on June 07, 2015, 05:15:28 PM
TJ , the leaning method will probably work on a Milly , NO WAY I lean my Jackal over far enough W/O dropping it . OUCH  :grin:

Understood.  When I started typing, I meant to mention that I was talking about an '89 Mille, but I never got it in there.  It does work well.
Title: Re: Rear Wheel Tire Change Question
Post by: rocker59 on June 07, 2015, 05:29:34 PM
Well, where there's a will, there's a way...

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Title: Re: Rear Wheel Tire Change Question
Post by: Gliderjohn on June 07, 2015, 05:46:01 PM
Quote from TripleJim:
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My Guzzi manual says to get everything ready and then lean the bike to the right while still on the center stand.  It's probably safest to have someone help you do that, so you can get it far enough over and maneuver the wheel out safely, but I think I could do it myself if I had to.  It's worked fine both times I've had the rear wheel out, and my wife was able to do a good job as the assistant.

I have done it that way once, but it is really, really tricky to do it and be sure to hold your tongue just right. I use the board under the center stand and/or an assistant. Much less stress that way.
GliderJohn
Title: Re: Rear Wheel Tire Change Question
Post by: Kev m on June 07, 2015, 05:54:22 PM
That's a tough job by yourself.   You can't put the bike on the stand with the feet already on the 2x4, it's too heavy.   And it's risky trying to "rock" the bike up onto the wood ....

Thank goodness for the Stelvio!   Up on the stand, four lug bolts, two caliper bolts, and the wheel drops off and rolls out from under the fender with no drama ..... I'm sort of spoiled now for those bikes you have to lay down or pick way up ...

Lannis

Fwiw, I've done this, no problem, by myself, on all 3 Guzzis I've owned (Tonti Cali. CARC, and smallblock) so I guess it varies by model and rider.
Title: Re: Rear Wheel Tire Change Question
Post by: Penderic on June 07, 2015, 06:05:29 PM
Easier with two people. Flip upside down on a elevated flat surface to gain access to the bottom fastener.
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 :grin:
Title: Re: Rear Wheel Tire Change Question
Post by: balvenie on June 07, 2015, 06:21:19 PM
Instead of the pieces of 2X4, my method is to use sawed up lengths of particle board, one inch thick. Three pieces under each leg of the centre stand. Still tricky and an assistant is still necessary to pile them up while you lean the bike over.
Title: Re: Rear Wheel Tire Change Question
Post by: fotoguzzi on June 07, 2015, 06:28:37 PM
hanging it off a curb on the sidewalk works really good and pretty safe to do yourself.
Title: Re: Rear Wheel Tire Change Question
Post by: mtiberio on June 07, 2015, 06:29:20 PM
Lean onto sidestand, and/or board under centerstand. Also, learn to pull rear drive if necessary, only 4 nuts. Also run a 110 tire instead of a 120. Or go tubeless...
Title: Re: Rear Wheel Tire Change Question
Post by: lucian on June 07, 2015, 07:34:07 PM
On the road or off just park on sand or loose gravel and dig out enough dirt to drop it out. You can also dig the front down to pitch the rear up.
Title: Re: Rear Wheel Tire Change Question
Post by: Two Checks on June 07, 2015, 07:58:01 PM
Remove the bevel drive. Wheel slips right out.
Title: Re: Rear Wheel Tire Change Question
Post by: lucian on June 07, 2015, 08:08:47 PM
Uh , OK , how do you keep the center stand from sinking . (Gotta get the emos working) Og , carry a piece of plywood . HA !

  Dusty

Worked once for me on a 350 yamaha, didn't have to dig out very much dirt to get the job done. Maybe more risky on a bigger bike in softer sand though.
Title: Re: Rear Wheel Tire Change Question
Post by: rodekyll on June 07, 2015, 08:53:10 PM
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Title: Re: Rear Wheel Tire Change Question
Post by: krglorioso on June 07, 2015, 08:58:44 PM
If the wheels have a sufficiently deep bead area, go tubeless.  Plug and go.  Quit all this nonsense about hoists, 2x4s and wrestling the bike to the ground like calf ropers.  WTF??

Ralph
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Title: Re: Rear Wheel Tire Change Question
Post by: Wayne Orwig on June 07, 2015, 09:10:12 PM
If the wheels have a sufficiently deep bead area, go tubeless.  Plug and go.  Quit all this nonsense about hoists, 2x4s and wrestling the bike to the ground like calf ropers.  WTF??


False security.

I have encountered a number of tubeless tires that could not be plugged.
I have only encountered one tube that I wasn't able to patch.

Title: Re: Rear Wheel Tire Change Question
Post by: Lannis on June 07, 2015, 09:12:08 PM
If the wheels have a sufficiently deep bead area, go tubeless.  Plug and go.  Quit all this nonsense about hoists, 2x4s and wrestling the bike to the ground like calf ropers.  WTF??

Ralph
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That response sounded very reasonable to me, but I went back and looked at the OP, and it just asks what you do when you "have to change the rear tire" on the road or in the shop.  Doesn't mention a flat tire.

Obviously, there's no reason to take the wheel out of the bike for a flat tire - just use Ride-On in your tube or carry a plug kit for your tubeless.   But maybe you're on a trip long enough to wear out your rear tire and it has to be changed, OR maybe the tire has been cut so badly it can't be fixed and has to be changed .... ?   You'd think the bike would be at a shop to do that, but maybe not, depending on where the new tire is coming from and where it's being mounted on the rim.

Lannis